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Posted: 2/22/2009 7:26:52 PM EST
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Here is an interesting thread about about them on Calguns.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=154512 Cliff Notes: A rep from their company registers on Calguns to defend their company when I upset him by making fun of the tacticool wording on their website. There is a drama, 5.7 fanboy-ism, overcompensation....and even a ban! I predict the 5.7 will be about as popular as the .45gap soon enough, so the debate will likely be moot. It is unfortunate that they show these kinds of unprofessional practices. They would be wise not to publicly respond to this stuff, especially the way they did. There is definitely a superiority complex, probably from not spending enough time out side of fivesevenforums. |
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Posted: 2/22/2009 7:29:41 PM EST
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Wow, some new info. I sent this: Lisa, Thanks for being anti-American and working hard to fight the Second Amendment. There are others out there like you and I will be sure to keep you on my blacklist of ammo manufacturers not buy from. Later comrade. -X Here's the responses I've received: Hey tough guy next time you feel like pushing some one around try Me instead of a girl. FYI one of our longtime friends and customers works for the NSA. I just dropped him a note. 100 rounds of our LEO only ammo in trade for all the info He can dig up on you. So keep on harassing my wife and your world is going to get very interesting for you. Jay Wolf Pr. Elite Ammunition 815.814.0847 www.eliteammunition.com www.fivesevenforum.com ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- I don't know who the hell you are so why don't you be man enough to tell me your name instead of sending an email from a new address and signing it X. And I don't really care if you have me on your blacklist because I have many customers who are happy with our products & services and don't do stupid things to get banned from buying from the ONLY aftermarket company making 5.7x28mm ammunition. So when you are ready to show your true identity than contact me. Our ban list is short so it could only be one of 5 people. –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– Because you decided you could not understand the nationwide industry problem with getting supplies and were really rude to me that is why you were banned from our company. As I stated to you at the other email address earlier today. Please stop playing games. I have real customers who actually need to be tended too. Lisa Wolf Elite Ammunition Customer Service Manager www.eliteammunition.com www.57forum.com (panzermk2wife) Wow, just wow. He's got the NSA coming for me for voicing my opinion of their business practices. -X 
Fail. Fuck them and their little pussy caliber. Sounds like Jay's got the short dick syndrome, and Mrs. Wolf is (not) feeling it too... LMFAO owned! 
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Posted: 2/22/2009 8:24:02 PM EST
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You may commence firing once your taaaaarget appears..... TARGETS From the pits: Stand by your targets. . . . Targets Up! |
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Posted: 2/22/2009 8:39:31 PM EST
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"Our ammo is more energous."
Wow, those people are nuts.z |
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Posted: 2/22/2009 9:36:13 PM EST
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This is why AR-15.com rules. I have never bought ammo from that company or visited those forums but I find this all hilarious.
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Posted: 2/22/2009 10:36:25 PM EST
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You know Black-X, I have your info.
If they sold a caliber I cared about I just might have had to offer my non-NSA services. 
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Posted: 2/22/2009 10:51:47 PM EST
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I think there can only be 2 explanations, take your pick, or could be both.
1) They both are seriously mentally ill (bi-polar etc.). or 2) Neither of them has a education beyond 5th grade. And I'm not joking, I'm being completely serious. |
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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:09:11 AM EST
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While ammo related, I think this thread belongs in GD so I'll move it. Yes...Should be seen by as many people as possible... |
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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:10:56 AM EST
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Lawsuit waiting to happen, they are giving out public info with out the consent of that person. Hope they get sued, bunch of fucking ass hats.
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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:16:34 AM EST
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I only wish that Extreme Shock or Le Mas sold some of this amazingly tactical ammo. Then I could get my fix from a reputable company.
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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:17:55 AM EST
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What a fucking nut!
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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:24:35 AM EST
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I will NEVER buy one round from EA. Dumb Cunt.
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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:25:18 AM EST
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Fuck that self-important biatch!
Every email she posted looked like a polite inquiry to me. She needs to get over herself. I hope they go tits up. |
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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:26:32 AM EST
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The charge to dig up dirt on you, only 100 rounds of ammo?
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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:27:50 AM EST
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Fuck that self-important biatch! Every email she posted looked like a polite inquiry to me. She needs to get over herself. I hope they go tits up. They remain solvent simply because no other company has bothered to load 5.7. A competitor with good customer service would be a death sentence for EA. |
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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:28:17 AM EST
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Wow. I mean, just, wow! Here's the deal: Elite MAY be having problems with some customers. There are a lot of asshats out there, no doubt. But to post a BLACK LIST of customers is just retarded to the highest degree. He's divulging potentially personal information. Not only that, but as a potential customer, why would I want to do business with a company that treats their customers this way? The customer is always right - even if he's wrong, he's right. Hell - he goes on threaten one of our members who sent him an email questioning his business practices with an ILLEGAL search by his "NSA" buddy, and said NSA buddy is going to be paid in ammo? That is something that the person in question ought to think about turning over to the FBI or a similar agency. Bribery of an NSA official and a possibly illegal search? Holy cow! A few bad reviews - even if the customer was in the wrong - will tank your reputation and dry up business quicker than you can imagine. Just ignore the customers whose business you don't want and be done with it. Will they continue to do brisk business during a shortage? You bet. When the shortage disappears, you can bet that a lot of the business will dry up. While ammo related, I think this thread belongs in GD so I'll move it. Really, someone who is bored needs to contact the FBI. This sort of stupidity should be rewarded. |
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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:31:48 AM EST
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So fuck em anyways.
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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:33:52 AM EST
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I only wish that Extreme Shock or Le Mas sold some of this amazingly tactical ammo. Then I could get my fix from a reputable company.  Brouh FTMFW!!!
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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:36:04 AM EST
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an NSA friend.
BWAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH 
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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:36:40 AM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: Fuck that self-important biatch! Every email she posted looked like a polite inquiry to me. She needs to get over herself. I hope they go tits up. They remain solvent simply because no other company has bothered to load 5.7. A competitor with good customer service would be a death sentence for EA. Do I detect a business opportunity?  |
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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:38:20 AM EST
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These are reloads, not new ammo. What is so special about selling reloads? It isn't unheard of for a company to state that use of reloads voids their warranty. Just sayin'.
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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:38:25 AM EST
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The ass-hattery of the owners of that company of off the charts. Publish a black-list of customers... Brilliant!!!
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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:39:46 AM EST
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Damn.
They fucked their reputation quick.
Never a second chance to make a first impression. |
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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:42:40 AM EST
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I have never experienced issues with E.A., but then again I work for a FFL so I dont get bent out of shape when I have to wait for a product. They do load very good ammo though.
As a general rule many of the customers I come in contact with are some of the most impatient, rude people I have ever met. Im sure E.A> gets their fair share of idiot asshats. I dont agree with a public blacklist at all, but its their business, so they can do whatever they want. We as consumers can do what we want. The threat about the NSA is OVER the top. Thats BAD |
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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:43:14 AM EST
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I am sorry the fact that a market exsists for 5.7 ammo makes me
. I'm sorry but I have seen people shoot the FN based 5.7 in training and I still can't figure out what the fuck someone would want with a niche fiream like the FN P-90 (whatever the non-fun switch designation is). To each his own, but damn.
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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:43:37 AM EST
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I'm not going to do it, but has anyone thought of posting on their board and linking to this thread.
Invite them over, I think the hilarity of the beat down could be epic. Just sayin
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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:47:02 AM EST
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good thing I never wasted my money on a fiveSeven, why do LEO's need AP rounds ? Black list..what are they children ?
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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:47:15 AM EST
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Quoted: Wow, some new info. I sent this: Lisa, Thanks for being anti-American and working hard to fight the Second Amendment. There are others out there like you and I will be sure to keep you on my blacklist of ammo manufacturers not buy from. Later comrade. -X Here's the responses I've received: Hey tough guy next time you feel like pushing some one around try Me instead of a girl. FYI one of our longtime friends and customers works for the NSA. I just dropped him a note. 100 rounds of our LEO only ammo in trade for all the info He can dig up on you. So keep on harassing my wife and your world is going to get very interesting for you. Jay Wolf Pr. Elite Ammunition 815.814.0847 www.eliteammunition.com www.fivesevenforum.com ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- I don't know who the hell you are so why don't you be man enough to tell me your name instead of sending an email from a new address and signing it X. And I don't really care if you have me on your blacklist because I have many customers who are happy with our products & services and don't do stupid things to get banned from buying from the ONLY aftermarket company making 5.7x28mm ammunition. So when you are ready to show your true identity than contact me. Our ban list is short so it could only be one of 5 people. –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– Because you decided you could not understand the nationwide industry problem with getting supplies and were really rude to me that is why you were banned from our company. As I stated to you at the other email address earlier today. Please stop playing games. I have real customers who actually need to be tended too. Lisa Wolf Elite Ammunition Customer Service Manager www.eliteammunition.com www.57forum.com (panzermk2wife) Wow, just wow. He's got the NSA coming for me for voicing my opinion of their business practices. -X  That'll teach you to have opinions!!! |
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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:47:38 AM EST
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Lawsuit waiting to happen, they are giving out public info with out the consent of that person. Hope they get sued, bunch of fucking ass hats. Yep, and tough guy "Jay" brushes it off as "the same as posting bad checks on the wall of a restaurant".
How the fuck is asking for a shipment status equal to writing a hot check???? Does not compute! ps - and the NSA threat, in writing is just icing on the cake!
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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:49:05 AM EST
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glad i dont own a 5.7.. shit i like corbon custom ammo better anyay
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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:50:28 AM EST
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The asshats at Elite Ammo remind me of this guy:
No 5.7 for you! |
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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:50:53 AM EST
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You know, I have a SBR PS90 and I'm looking at getting the Five Seven handgun in the near future. So obviously I have a bunch of 5.7x28mm ammo, and am a fan of it.
But fuck these people.
Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I'll make sure I never get my hands on any of their stuff. _MaH |
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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:51:23 AM EST
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Some of you guys here are acting just as stupid as Elite Ammo is. When you do this you make their stupidity less outrageous, and strenghtens their position.
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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:52:19 AM EST
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Customers complain, that's how the world works, that company will lose a lot of business through this
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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:55:04 AM EST
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Quoted: Some of you guys here are acting just as stupid as Elite Ammo is. When you do this you make their stupidity less outrageous, and strenghtens their position. When we do what? Call them out on piss-poor business practices and acting childish when a customer simply asks about their order? They are to ammo what Botach is to...well, most anything else... |
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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:55:28 AM EST
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Just forwarded the NSA threat and tough guy's contact info to NSA, FBI, and local Congressman's office. He's not the only one with "friends". What a stupid fuck.
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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:58:34 AM EST
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If you read the Black Listed names––some were scamming for free stuff, others were looking for ammo that meets the federal definition of armor piercing handgun ammo. I don't blame Elite for posting these names––it's no different than stores that hang returned bad checks. Elite will NOT sell ammo a civilian cannot legally possess. Elite Ammo makes the best 5.7 ammo on the market. FN factory SS197 is OK, but the Elite stuff is hotter and as accurate, or more accurate. SS195 is OK, but if you need more power, Elite's SuperRapTOR is hotter. They also make subsonic that's great, if you want ammo for your suppressed PS90 SBR or 5.7 pistol. If you hunt––their VarminaTOR is unbelievable! I could go on, but the info is on their web site, which you found. If you have a 5.7, you should check out: http://www.fivesevenforum.com/index.php?sid=0556aa217a2727965d4b767bad44d03e Last year, Elite Ammo got flooded, along with many other business in the mid-west. They opened a new shop and occassionally had trouble getting components due to many large orders. Some guys whined, but most of us understood flooding is not anything a company can control. The company did right by their customers. I doubt that's a problem now, but with the run on reloading components since Obama got in, it wouldn't surprise me. Bottom line: Elite's products are top notch. Don't screw 'em, or try to obtain ammo you can't legally own, and you won't wind up in their Hall of Shame. I'm just a satisfied multi-order customer, with no financial attachment to Elite. I know the owner.. as do a few others here. The ammo is everything that has been stated, I also know that they manufacture some that will go through many ballistic plates and continue moving. I stood beside the owner at SHOT when BAE offered him many plates for testing so that they could improve THEIR product. Read the bottom line above again.. I am no fan of the 5.7X 28 and the owner knows that in no uncertain terms, My 22K hornet performs better... but the ammo he makes lives up to its stated purpose. |
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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:59:49 AM EST
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what the hell ever happened to "the customer is always right?" From a business owner's standpoint this is a terrible strategy, but if they're happy with never having a huge amount of customer go for it. It sure as hell wouldn't work for us. In this case it's "the customer is merely a data entry to be turned over to BATF on demand." |
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Posted: 2/23/2009 9:03:38 AM EST
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Some of you guys here are acting just as stupid as Elite Ammo is. When you do this you make their stupidity less outrageous, and strenghtens their position. When we do what? Call them out on piss-poor business practices and acting childish when a customer simply asks about their order? They are to ammo what Botach is to...well, most anything else... I didnt quote you or inpiled that YOU were acting foolishly. I just said there are people acting stupid here. When people here make stupid comments, empty threats, and act retarded it reinforces Elite Ammunitions STUPID behavior. E.A. started the retarded comments, heres no need for us to drink the stupid koolaid too and act like they are. Im not saying they shouldnt be called out on their foolishness. Im saying people need to be smart on how they critique E.A. behavior if they want to be heard. |
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Posted: 2/23/2009 9:04:53 AM EST
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Sounds like Lisa needs a good shagging... Her so-called husband isn't up to snuff, apparently. |
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Posted: 2/23/2009 9:05:03 AM EST
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It sounds like a wife has too much time on her hands.
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Posted: 2/23/2009 9:09:18 AM EST
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If you really wanted to mess with them, send the email from Jay to the real NSA's public relations/public contact email addresses and tell them someone in the NSA is taking bribes for committing domestic surveillance, they should look into it. The NSA might actually have to send it to the FBI, who would have to speak to "Jay" to get an "understanding" of the facts. Just sayin'. We need a "fucked up the ass and not having fun" smiley for Jay. I like this idea. |
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Posted: 2/23/2009 9:09:37 AM EST
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Elite will NOT sell ammo a civilian cannot legally possess. You understand that cops are civilians too, right? -X Plus a couple people were black listed for requesting refunds??? i just saw that too, i understand the listing the guys that want poison, exploding, armor piercing, hedp, rounds for their 12.7mm, but some of those guys asked for money back, after weeks of asking for shipping info. |
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Posted: 2/23/2009 9:09:39 AM EST
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Damn. If I had a novelty gun in a pipsqeak caliber, I'd definitely avoid them.
What a bunch of tards. |
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Posted: 2/23/2009 9:09:48 AM EST
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Sig Fan's List of Black Listed Companies:
1. Elite Ammunition 2. Ammo man.com 3. Cheaper than..... |
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Posted: 2/23/2009 9:12:45 AM EST
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I don't understand why they would publish that? I can understand if there are blacklisted customers. It happens. It's not like trying to publically shame someone for scamming your business by posting their info on an internet message board is going to suddenly make said people repent their ways. I would think a small business would be better served spending the time wasted making and updating that thread and then constantly responding to the barrage of flak they are getting for said thread would be better off handled by using that time to say make more ammunition, filling out orders or dealing with current customer issues.
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Posted: 2/23/2009 9:13:46 AM EST
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Elite will NOT sell ammo a civilian cannot legally possess. Small point of order: It's completely & totally 100% legal for us lowly civilians to own and possess armor piercing ammunition, for both pistols and rifles. Manufacturers however are simply restricted from selling it to us. "armor piercing ammunition"? What does armor piercing actually mean, will it penetrate the armor of an M1 Abrams? Calling it AP is stupid. They should say it will defeat certain levels of body armor or depending on the type of metal, it will penetrate X , Y, Z thicknesses. |
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Posted: 2/23/2009 9:18:39 AM EST
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What retards
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Posted: 2/23/2009 9:19:44 AM EST
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Reminds me of AAC's conduct.
I don't ever want to do business with a company that treats customers in that way, no matter the circumstances. |
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Posted: 2/23/2009 9:20:40 AM EST
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Wow. I mean, just, wow! Here's the deal: Elite MAY be having problems with some customers. There are a lot of asshats out there, no doubt. But to post a BLACK LIST of customers is just retarded to the highest degree. He's divulging potentially personal information. Not only that, but as a potential customer, why would I want to do business with a company that treats their customers this way? The customer is always right - even if he's wrong, he's right. Hell - he goes on threaten one of our members who sent him an email questioning his business practices with an ILLEGAL search by his "NSA" buddy, and said NSA buddy is going to be paid in ammo? That is something that the person in question ought to think about turning over to the FBI or a similar agency. Bribery of an NSA official and a possibly illegal search? Holy cow! A few bad reviews - even if the customer was in the wrong - will tank your reputation and dry up business quicker than you can imagine. Just ignore the customers whose business you don't want and be done with it. Will they continue to do brisk business during a shortage? You bet. When the shortage disappears, you can bet that a lot of the business will dry up. While ammo related, I think this thread belongs in GD so I'll move it. This goes with the customer is always right thing. Even if there is a dispute with a customer (every business has disputes) you NEVER publicly state the problem in the manner they did. You keep that sort of business internal to the business. I bet they are bipolar. |
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