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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:56:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unions still exist because shitbag employers play their little games...then whine when those games are played on them. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:57:37 PM EDT
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So now GD like GM again.. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:57:42 PM EDT
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What is wrong with contract negotiations? Do you honestly consider this a fair example of "contract negotiations"? 
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:57:45 PM EDT
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I wish they would just hold a hiring conference in another city to replace all these greedy bastards |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:58:14 PM EDT
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Why are they guaranteed a job with an automaker? If a car company opens up a new factory in some state the company gets to decide if they want to invest in hiring people with their HR groups or they can work out a contract with a group of people who already have the ability to fill the jobs needed. So just as the car company is free to choose union or not so is the worker. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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UAW will negotiate back pay for them, and they’ll get it. Unions need to be banned. Surely the door of freedom of association should swing both ways. If a car company opens up a new factory in some state the company gets to decide if they want to invest in hiring people with their HR groups or they can work out a contract with a group of people who already have the ability to fill the jobs needed. So just as the car company is free to choose union or not so is the worker. So the car company (GM) should be free to choose union or not now, right? They should be able to post a "Help Wanted" ad for 50k jobs, right? They car company should be free to hire new workers if the union does not accept their offer, RIGHT? |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:59:03 PM EDT
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Not sure if it's a pro GM thread, or anti-union thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So now GD like GM again.. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:59:47 PM EDT
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Not sure if it's a pro GM thread, or anti-union thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So now GD like GM again.. <---- Won't buy UAW made vehicles. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:00:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:00:55 PM EDT
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I’m no fan of the UAW, but GM paid back its loan ahead of schedule. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GM should give workers an increase equal to what UAW union personnel gave each other.  |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:01:20 PM EDT
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Explain to me what prevents GM from firing the striking workers or replacing them. I'll give you a hint.... it ends in ".gov" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So people shouldn't be able to associate with other people or groups freely? I'll give you a hint.... it ends in ".gov" |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:01:54 PM EDT
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What about those workers that would choose to associate freely with their employer, but who are barred from doing so by the union? What about those wanting to work, but who often receive threats of vandalism, property damage, and even physical harm if they dare cross the picket line? Do those people have freedom of (and/or from) association, too? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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UAW will negotiate back pay for them, and they’ll get it. Unions need to be banned. Do those people have freedom of (and/or from) association, too? |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:02:26 PM EDT
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So we're cheering for American manufacturing employees to have worse lives at the expense of a shitty corporation simply because they collectively bargain instead of individually and everyone voluntarily did this? Cool, got it. I don't care one way or another, I vowed to never buy another G/Ford/FCA vehicle and I meant it. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:03:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m no fan of the UAW, but GM paid back its loan ahead of schedule. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:03:19 PM EDT
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Money prevents them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So people shouldn't be able to associate with other people or groups freely? I'll give you a hint.... it ends in ".gov" Don't be coy. You live in a heavily unionized state. You know these things. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:03:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The contract expired over the weekend. So the car company (GM) should be free to choose union or not now, right? They should be able to post a "Help Wanted" ad for 50k jobs, right? They car company should be free to hire new workers if the union does not accept their offer, RIGHT? |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:04:20 PM EDT
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Tough shit. I pay about $150 monthly plus a $6000 out of pocket max for my health care. Welcome to Obamacare motherfuckers! In the past 2 years I've had 4 retinal detachment surgeries on the same eye. Then, a cataract surgery on the same eye. For ONE of the surgeries I had to come up with a $4,500 deductible. Back before Kenyancare shit was actually "affordable". I'll stop typing here, so I don't get in trouble for saying what I really feel about all this .gov shit going on.... |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:04:36 PM EDT
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They are free to pick a job with a company that facilitates that. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:05:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: GM shouldn't give the workers anything until it finishes paying back the United States for its bailout. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:05:36 PM EDT
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Unions served a purpose during the latter part of the industrial Union.
They have been bastions of corruption since. Unions are whiners, socialists, and bitches. 
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:06:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One would think that employers would get it through their skulls that if they simply treated their employees fairly, and decently unions would probably go away....Nope, you get morons with "God complexes" that get their jollies off fucking with their employees......and there are hundreds of thousands of businesses in this country with atrocious turnover rates, and stupid owners that can't figure out why. But for the NLRB most unions would be a thing of the past. Only trade unions that talks a hand in training apprentices for the mutual benefit of the apprentice, union AND employer would exist, or should exist. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:07:21 PM EDT
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I was thinking about this earlier, and have a theory on how this whole deal could play out.
GM makes quite a few of their vehicles outside of the US, and since those plants are unaffected, they should have a pretty decent cash flow. If they hold out until mortgages start coming due, the paycheck to paycheck workers will be begging to come back, and will sign whatever GM offers them. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:07:40 PM EDT
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Let's say you feel that moderators on AR15.com deserve to get paid for their services. Would you: A) Lock every thread, lock every user account, and prevent the site from operating until you got what you wanted or B) Approach the Brownells and the Avilas to discuss your proposal Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So people shouldn't be able to associate with other people or groups freely? Would you: A) Lock every thread, lock every user account, and prevent the site from operating until you got what you wanted or B) Approach the Brownells and the Avilas to discuss your proposal |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:08:08 PM EDT
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It's the best economy ever! Fire/ lay them off, so they can get new jobs. Hire people that want to be there and everybody wins! If GM has to pay double for new workers, then that is what the market demanded. Let the system work, since we are getting rid of illegals and allowing a free market to work. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:08:49 PM EDT
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In to see how many union haters, have union built vehicles in their driveways. Here’s a list of union built items that union haters can avoid. Both made in Japan. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:11:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What federal law? Nothing prevents GM from hiring a bunch of temps, sending salaried employees to the production line, and resuming operations as normal. Union gets locked out, strike goes on for years, and the UAW runs out of money. The few remaining picketers can either retire or go back to work at 1/2 pay. Cat defeated the UAW in the late 90s this way, and so could GM - if only it had the balls. Without a contract in place, GM has no obligation to use union labor. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:12:13 PM EDT
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And those new workers should be able to report to work without fear of reprisal or serious physical injury from union mobs, right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The contract expired over the weekend. So the car company (GM) should be free to choose union or not now, right? They should be able to post a "Help Wanted" ad for 50k jobs, right? They car company should be free to hire new workers if the union does not accept their offer, RIGHT? The UAW has a long history of using threats, intimidation tactics, and violence to keep so called 'scabs' away. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:12:33 PM EDT
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Unions going on strike as a negotiation tactic is like having your femoral artery cut then negotiating the price of a tourniquet with a gun to your head. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So people shouldn't be able to associate with other people or groups freely? 1. Accept the terms we are giving 2. Counter with terms that are acceptable to GM 3. Pack your bags we will hire outside of the union. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:12:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm assuming UAW is bad then? Guess ill google it.  |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:13:15 PM EDT
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Why does GM have to suffer union employees any longer? Why can't GM freely terminate their business with the union and its union employees? In other words, GM is gonna be forced to bake that cake whether or not they want to Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So people shouldn't be able to associate with other people or groups freely? |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:14:50 PM EDT
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Poor GM.
This strike could ruin them. They only made about $11B last year. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:15:13 PM EDT
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So people shouldn't be able to associate with other people or groups freely? Would you: A) Lock every thread, lock every user account, and prevent the site from operating until you got what you wanted or B) Approach the Brownells and the Avilas to discuss your proposal That's what they are doing right now. They are hurting every American that has money invested in GM (which the entire fucking country had to come together to bail out), every American depending on parts or vehicles to be delivered, every truck driver that delivers the vehicles, every associated business that produces supplies, components, or provides infrastructure for GM. They are holding billions of dollars of commerce hostage and threatening the livelihoods of millions of others..... and they are PROUD OF IT. I'm guessing, based on your location and some of your posts, that you have friends or family that are union workers (maybe not UAW). Those jobs are far less common down here, but when unions strike it hurts every other part of the economic ecosystem. Aside from their strong political and financial support of those that tend to oppose the rights of the members on this site, there are very real economic reasons why many have no love of unions. Union labor is to the entrepreneurial and non-union labor force as management is perceived by union labor. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:15:18 PM EDT
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Under what other circumstances can a person, or an entire group of people, cease working until their contract is renegotiated to their liking? Under what other circumstances could a person do this and not only retain their job, but somehow get paid for the time they weren't working, as well? Do you honestly consider this a fair example of "contract negotiations"? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is wrong with contract negotiations? Do you honestly consider this a fair example of "contract negotiations"? |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:16:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m no fan of the UAW, but GM paid back its loan ahead of schedule. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:16:33 PM EDT
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lol Spare us the hard working man bullshit. These are overpaid slobs that are die hard members of the dimocrat party that would take your private health care, guns, and most of your income and waste it on third world shitholers that waltz across the border for free shit, health care, and a bit o rape and a few that will rent a GM built truck to run over christmas shoppers. They are commies, acting like commies. Fuckem. 
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:17:25 PM EDT
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The contract expired over the weekend. So the car company (GM) should be free to choose union or not now, right? They should be able to post a "Help Wanted" ad for 50k jobs, right? They car company should be free to hire new workers if the union does not accept their offer, RIGHT? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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UAW will negotiate back pay for them, and they’ll get it. Unions need to be banned. Surely the door of freedom of association should swing both ways. If a car company opens up a new factory in some state the company gets to decide if they want to invest in hiring people with their HR groups or they can work out a contract with a group of people who already have the ability to fill the jobs needed. So just as the car company is free to choose union or not so is the worker. So the car company (GM) should be free to choose union or not now, right? They should be able to post a "Help Wanted" ad for 50k jobs, right? They car company should be free to hire new workers if the union does not accept their offer, RIGHT? |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:17:57 PM EDT
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GM has a few months inventory,
nothing will happen until that is gone. Fuck GM |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:18:02 PM EDT
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They have funding built into the contract to support them during a strike. It's not like GM didn't know that was an option the union could take. You cannot force people to work. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is wrong with contract negotiations? Do you honestly consider this a fair example of "contract negotiations"?
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:19:11 PM EDT
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The national labor relations board prevents them. Don't be coy. You live in a heavily unionized state. You know these things. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So people shouldn't be able to associate with other people or groups freely? I'll give you a hint.... it ends in ".gov" Don't be coy. You live in a heavily unionized state. You know these things. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:19:25 PM EDT
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And there is the real problem with the whole deal. If people want to unionize, let them unionize. But when the want to strike, they should not have government protection that prevents the company from firing them and hiring people that want to work. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wish they would just hold a hiring conference in another city to replace all these greedy bastards Fuck. Unions. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:19:55 PM EDT
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GM has a few months inventory, nothing will happen until that is gone. Fuck GM They have an $850 million war chest. If GM can survive for 23 weeks, they'll bleed the UAW dry. I don't buy GM vehicles, but if they'd commit to go 23 weeks without agreeing to UAW terms, I'd donate to GM's cause. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:19:56 PM EDT
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Okay, what if GM decides they no longer facilitate that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They are free to pick a job with a company that facilitates that. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:20:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure if it's a pro GM thread, or anti-union thread. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:22:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know nothing about whats going on. From my no info point of view I see nothing funny of mocking men fighting for a better work environment and wage. should they just shut up taking less? Everything you dont like is a socialist right? The rights socalist is the lefts nazis. Shits old. He thinks the union leaders/organizers are just like the commies, except they think they are MORE equal than others
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:22:56 PM EDT
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Good! I’ll take a job at half the pay 1/4 of the benefits and not bitch for a second. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:24:20 PM EDT
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In to see how many union haters, have union built vehicles in their driveways. Here's a list of union built items that union haters can avoid. I'll give you support of Unions either purposely or inadvertently, but that's far from loving them. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:25:36 PM EDT
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My current job is the first time I have ever been in a union of any form or really around one at all. So my experience is limited. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:25:40 PM EDT
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Can you point out the forced part to me please. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Explain to me how a company is forced to employ union workers. https://www.nlrb.gov/rights-we-protect/rights/employer-union-rights-and-obligations |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:26:04 PM EDT
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Watch “American Factory” on Netflix and see the caliber of people in the UAW and you’ll marvel at the fact that your tires and doors haven’t fallen off while going around a turn.  Detroit Auto Workers Busted on the Job Drinking Beer & Smoking Pot on Break.flv Here is a small sample size. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:27:18 PM EDT
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Then I guess GM should have invested into hiring and filling all those jobs on their own. They still can but it would stop production and take time/money. With that said, the union has stopped production and it is costing GM time/money. GM is in a position to give the union a few options: 1. Accept the terms we are giving 2. Counter with terms that are acceptable to GM 3. Pack your bags we will hire outside of the union. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So people shouldn't be able to associate with other people or groups freely? 1. Accept the terms we are giving 2. Counter with terms that are acceptable to GM 3. Pack your bags we will hire outside of the union. It's probably too early to know what either side is planning to do. Strikes can and have last(ed) days, months, or years. Yes, the UAW, has enough $$ to carry out a strike for the near term. Probably not for months or years though. And GM has just taken the first of its contigency planning steps - by pulling the UAWs healthcare funding. My money is on GM to win this one, but who knows? |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:28:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. No they didn't. The stock deal was a ruse from the beginning. |
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