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Posted: 9/6/2009 8:13:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/6/2009 8:15:53 PM EDT
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Limp wristing will cause a Glock to "jam". Yeah, were pretty sure it was the ammo. The same brand of ammo caused jams in the other two Glocks that were being used. It worked fine in the HK's though  Glocks will fire chucks of rocks if you can get it in the chamber, I bet it was that crappy long magazine. Actually the jams occurred with the normal capacity mags. |
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Posted: 9/6/2009 8:16:41 PM EDT
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Looks like a nice range! Which imposes a 10 round mag limit. If you want to enjoy shooting there, attend the Tiger Valley classes. Hmm didnt catch that rule. I had all mags fully loaded, including the 33 round Glock mag. The range master didnt say anything, just made small talk and played with the Match. |
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Posted: 9/6/2009 8:21:51 PM EDT
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Sweet Pics! Although usually I like the look of the USP, but that Match edition looks like a Hi-Point...Great gun though. Haha you mean like this? I guess I see the resemblance but..... http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/hipoint.jpg Guys at the range actually cringe when I bring out my JHP-45. They cannot stand it when I put reloads in the red CONSISTANTLY, and are all waiting for a FTE of FTF or the slide to go nuclear. They get even more pissed when I offer to help with getting a Kimber unstuck and functioning... The RSO (who OC's at the range) takes a big circle around my stall, wont even talk to me when I shoot the Hi-point. Wont even look at my targets. I guess I'm out of his circle because I dont shoot an expensive gun that doesnt shoot. nice. The gun doesnt make a shooter |
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Posted: 9/6/2009 8:51:46 PM EDT
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1. I have limp-wristed two different G19s on purpose. One, which was brand new (less than 200 rounds) jammed. The other, with a couple thousand through it (still new
 ) wouldn't choke no matter how limp I held it. And trust me, I can limp-wrist with the best of 'em. 
2. Shooting .22LR at steel targets meant for centerfire pistols will result in ricochets. Good on all of you for wearing glasses. 3. What kind of ammo, specifically, in the G19? I've never been to an Acadamy. Do they sell reloads or something? I see Blazer and Federal American Eagle boxes on your bench, neither of which are "crappy brass ammo". Your Glock should run on factory ammo. 4. That AK must weigh 25 pounds with that rail and flashlight setup. There are better ways to accomplish what it looks like you're trying to do there. 5. That range does look like fun. 6. Ammo is expensive. All the ammo I buy is sent downrange with the best and most consistent technique I can manage because I can't afford to unlearn bad habits. But judging by the German-made hardware you're sporting, I'm guessing you're not to concerned with ammo costs. 7. Walther P22s are a heck of a lot of fun, when they work. Mine's been 99.9% reliable through about 10K rounds so far. |
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Posted: 9/6/2009 9:16:33 PM EDT
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After today Ive realized that I need some sort of .22 to lower ammo costs. Im thinking a Ruger, though youre right, the P22 was much better than I expected
1. I have limp-wristed two different G19s on purpose. One, which was brand new (less than 200 rounds) jammed. The other, with a couple thousand through it (still new ) wouldn't choke no matter how limp I held it. And trust me, I can limp-wrist with the best of 'em. The ammo in question is "Monarch" brand, which is basically Academy Sports' in-store brand. I believe it is just repackaged Prvi Partisan? Or some other brand, I dont recall. I have actually had problems with it in some of my Sigs as well. Its clearly proven itself to be inferior ammo. It is, however, cheap as hell
2. Shooting .22LR at steel targets meant for centerfire pistols will result in ricochets. Good on all of you for wearing glasses. Im a newbie to this type of shooting, lesson learned! 3. What kind of ammo, specifically, in the G19? I've never been to an Acadamy. Do they sell reloads or something? I see Blazer and Federal American Eagle boxes on your bench, neither of which are "crappy brass ammo". Your Glock should run on factory ammo. See above 4. That AK must weigh 25 pounds with that rail and flashlight setup. There are better ways to accomplish what it looks like you're trying to do there. Its actually surprisingly light. The rail is normally home to an Aimpoint dot, but I removed it since I hadnt yet zeroed it. Im looking for a better rear stock option, but the balance of the rifle isnt half bad. 5. That range does look like fun. 6. Ammo is expensive. All the ammo I buy is sent downrange with the best and most consistent technique I can manage because I can't afford to unlearn bad habits. But judging by the German-made hardware you're sporting, I'm guessing you're not to concerned with ammo costs. Maybe our habits arent perfect, I have admittedly never taken any type of training course. I have worked with some professionals, and gotten tips and tricks along the way, and basically found a style that allows me to comfortably get rounds on target consistently, fast, and in various circumstances. It probably isnt perfect, but it works, and Im confident enough in my abilities as a defensive shooter. 7. Walther P22s are a heck of a lot of fun, when they work. Mine's been 99.9% reliable through about 10K rounds so far. 
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Posted: 9/6/2009 10:19:32 PM EDT
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New Range (new to me at least) in DFW called Elm Fork, very nice and affordable place Hot as hell but we had an awesome time Took some buddies who were new to shooting. Im the one in the blue. Guy in the red is a new shooter, had a Walther P22, not nearly as "crappy" as I was expecting. Tough to get used to, but after that it was decently accurate. No jams either. Guy in the blue with the dangly bracelet thing on his wrist was also a new shooter, G22. My new toy http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/grantsidematch.jpg USP 9mm vs Glock 22.....guess who won?
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/aaronandy3.jpg The G19 jammed a total of 3 times, but it was junky brass ammo from Academy sports......still kinda hesitant to carry it til I test her some more...... http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/grantG19.jpg Sig Sauer P229 .357 SIG http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/AARONSigTargets.jpg Check out the shell casing in the air! This thing lays down those steel plates with ease http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/aaronmatch4.jpg Trusty USP Compact http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/grantc9.jpg We didnt actually shoot the AK at the plates, he just wanted a photo op 
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/aaronAK47.jpg This guy took some fragment to the face, this is why you wear eye pro! 
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/bobbloody.jpg Some of the gear for the day http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/grantgear.jpg Things I learned: Yall were right about the Glock. What a fast, accurate, quick-to-action pistol! I love it. It jammed a few times, but it was with junk ammo, but Im still going to put it through the paces some more until Im ready to carry it. The HK USP Match Weight does wonders for recoil reduction. Its like shooting a .22 with the report of a 9mm All but one of us caught some splashback from the reactive targets, always wear teh eyepro! 
Hard to beat a P229 in 357Sig good enough for SS and Air Marshals. Or a HK 9mm compact V1, or a reliable small 45ACP, got one a Night Defender. Ran 250 today broke in with 150 Ball WWB, 100 mixed HP, Speer 230g short barrel, some Federal, and 20 rounds of PowerBall 185g, it was the hottest. I think the pistol will handle the Speer as well has the PowerBall, penetration test suck. That is a hot round. Ran all without a glitch. Nice colt. just a little oil on the rails and locking lug, end or barrel and in front of hammer. If I can get another 100 assorted ammo through will no glitches, it's my new carry piece. Ran through 4 mags 3 colts and one trip. 
I have a 229 in 357 Sig, but no picks now, so here is a 250 in 9mm.
I do have a HK 9mmC V1. but here is a pic of my ? 
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Posted: 9/6/2009 10:28:12 PM EDT
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New Range (new to me at least) in DFW called Elm Fork, very nice and affordable place Hot as hell but we had an awesome time Took some buddies who were new to shooting. Im the one in the blue. Guy in the red is a new shooter, had a Walther P22, not nearly as "crappy" as I was expecting. Tough to get used to, but after that it was decently accurate. No jams either. Guy in the blue with the dangly bracelet thing on his wrist was also a new shooter, G22. My new toy http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/grantsidematch.jpg USP 9mm vs Glock 22.....guess who won?
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/aaronandy3.jpg The G19 jammed a total of 3 times, but it was junky brass ammo from Academy sports......still kinda hesitant to carry it til I test her some more...... http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/grantG19.jpg Sig Sauer P229 .357 SIG http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/AARONSigTargets.jpg Check out the shell casing in the air! This thing lays down those steel plates with ease http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/aaronmatch4.jpg Trusty USP Compact http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/grantc9.jpg We didnt actually shoot the AK at the plates, he just wanted a photo op
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/aaronAK47.jpg This guy took some fragment to the face, this is why you wear eye pro!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/bobbloody.jpg Some of the gear for the day http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/grantgear.jpg Things I learned: Yall were right about the Glock. What a fast, accurate, quick-to-action pistol! I love it. It jammed a few times, but it was with junk ammo, but Im still going to put it through the paces some more until Im ready to carry it. The HK USP Match Weight does wonders for recoil reduction. Its like shooting a .22 with the report of a 9mm All but one of us caught some splashback from the reactive targets, always wear teh eyepro!
Hard to beat a P229 in 357Sig good enough for SS and Air Marshals. Or a HK 9mm compact V1, or a reliable small 45ACP, got one a Night Defender. Ran 250 today broke in with 150 Ball WWB, 100 mixed HP, Speer 230g short barrel, some Federal, and 20 rounds of PowerBall 185g, it was the hottest. I think the pistol will handle the Speer as well has the PowerBall, penetration test suck. That is a hot round. Ran all without a glitch. Nice colt. just a little oil on the rails and locking lug, end or barrel and in front of hammer. If I can get another 100 assorted ammo through will no glitches, it's my new carry piece. Ran through 4 mags 3 colts and one trip. http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=12513 I have a 229 in 357 Sig, but no picks now, so here is a 250 in 9mm.
http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=6429 I do have a HK 9mmC V1. but here is a pic of my ? http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=7464 I had never even shot a SIG P229, or anything in .357 Sig for that matter, until today, and I knocked over all 12 steel targets without missing a beat. I was very impressed. I like my P226, but the 229 definately had more punch. The USPC 9mm is still my go-to carry gun, but I want to find something smaller, maybe a G26. The USP Match hybrid was the most impressive of the day, however. Zero recoil, and insanely fast follow-up shots, combined with the already perfect fit of the USP in my hand. I think I was sporting wood 2/3's of the day. |
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Posted: 9/6/2009 11:40:41 PM EDT
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New Range (new to me at least) in DFW called Elm Fork, very nice and affordable place Hot as hell but we had an awesome time Took some buddies who were new to shooting. Im the one in the blue. Guy in the red is a new shooter, had a Walther P22, not nearly as "crappy" as I was expecting. Tough to get used to, but after that it was decently accurate. No jams either. Guy in the blue with the dangly bracelet thing on his wrist was also a new shooter, G22. My new toy http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/grantsidematch.jpg USP 9mm vs Glock 22.....guess who won?
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/aaronandy3.jpg The G19 jammed a total of 3 times, but it was junky brass ammo from Academy sports......still kinda hesitant to carry it til I test her some more...... http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/grantG19.jpg Sig Sauer P229 .357 SIG http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/AARONSigTargets.jpg Check out the shell casing in the air! This thing lays down those steel plates with ease http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/aaronmatch4.jpg Trusty USP Compact http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/grantc9.jpg We didnt actually shoot the AK at the plates, he just wanted a photo op
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/aaronAK47.jpg This guy took some fragment to the face, this is why you wear eye pro!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/bobbloody.jpg Some of the gear for the day http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/grantgear.jpg Things I learned: Yall were right about the Glock. What a fast, accurate, quick-to-action pistol! I love it. It jammed a few times, but it was with junk ammo, but Im still going to put it through the paces some more until Im ready to carry it. The HK USP Match Weight does wonders for recoil reduction. Its like shooting a .22 with the report of a 9mm All but one of us caught some splashback from the reactive targets, always wear teh eyepro!
Hard to beat a P229 in 357Sig good enough for SS and Air Marshals. Or a HK 9mm compact V1, or a reliable small 45ACP, got one a Night Defender. Ran 250 today broke in with 150 Ball WWB, 100 mixed HP, Speer 230g short barrel, some Federal, and 20 rounds of PowerBall 185g, it was the hottest. I think the pistol will handle the Speer as well has the PowerBall, penetration test suck. That is a hot round. Ran all without a glitch. Nice colt. just a little oil on the rails and locking lug, end or barrel and in front of hammer. If I can get another 100 assorted ammo through will no glitches, it's my new carry piece. Ran through 4 mags 3 colts and one trip. http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=12513 I have a 229 in 357 Sig, but no picks now, so here is a 250 in 9mm.
http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=6429 I do have a HK 9mmC V1. but here is a pic of my ? http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=7464 I had never even shot a SIG P229, or anything in .357 Sig for that matter, until today, and I knocked over all 12 steel targets without missing a beat. I was very impressed. I like my P226, but the 229 definately had more punch. The USPC 9mm is still my go-to carry gun, but I want to find something smaller, maybe a G26. The USP Match hybrid was the most impressive of the day, however. Zero recoil, and insanely fast follow-up shots, combined with the already perfect fit of the USP in my hand. I think I was sporting wood 2/3's of the day. HK 9C reliable, medium size. 13 or 15 round mags, if second is full size 9mm I think. Carry clock and locked, Double action first shot locked or not. Reliable, pull the trigger it will fire. In 357Sig it would walk the walk.
Just beats P229 in 357Sig, because of double action only. 45 Acp in small 3 inch barrel, keep it clean and lubed and using it's favorite ammo no problem except 7+1, but 15 with second mag.
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Posted: 9/6/2009 11:43:22 PM EDT
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New Range (new to me at least) in DFW called Elm Fork, very nice and affordable place Hot as hell but we had an awesome time Took some buddies who were new to shooting. Im the one in the blue. Guy in the red is a new shooter, had a Walther P22, not nearly as "crappy" as I was expecting. Tough to get used to, but after that it was decently accurate. No jams either. Guy in the blue with the dangly bracelet thing on his wrist was also a new shooter, G22. My new toy http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/grantsidematch.jpg USP 9mm vs Glock 22.....guess who won?
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/aaronandy3.jpg The G19 jammed a total of 3 times, but it was junky brass ammo from Academy sports......still kinda hesitant to carry it til I test her some more...... http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/grantG19.jpg Sig Sauer P229 .357 SIG http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/AARONSigTargets.jpg Check out the shell casing in the air! This thing lays down those steel plates with ease http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/aaronmatch4.jpg Trusty USP Compact http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/grantc9.jpg We didnt actually shoot the AK at the plates, he just wanted a photo op
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/aaronAK47.jpg This guy took some fragment to the face, this is why you wear eye pro!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/bobbloody.jpg Some of the gear for the day http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/grantgear.jpg Things I learned: Yall were right about the Glock. What a fast, accurate, quick-to-action pistol! I love it. It jammed a few times, but it was with junk ammo, but Im still going to put it through the paces some more until Im ready to carry it. The HK USP Match Weight does wonders for recoil reduction. Its like shooting a .22 with the report of a 9mm All but one of us caught some splashback from the reactive targets, always wear teh eyepro!
Hard to beat a P229 in 357Sig good enough for SS and Air Marshals. Or a HK 9mm compact V1, or a reliable small 45ACP, got one a Night Defender. Ran 250 today broke in with 150 Ball WWB, 100 mixed HP, Speer 230g short barrel, some Federal, and 20 rounds of PowerBall 185g, it was the hottest. I think the pistol will handle the Speer as well has the PowerBall, penetration test suck. That is a hot round. Ran all without a glitch. Nice colt. just a little oil on the rails and locking lug, end or barrel and in front of hammer. If I can get another 100 assorted ammo through will no glitches, it's my new carry piece. Ran through 4 mags 3 colts and one trip. http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=12513 I have a 229 in 357 Sig, but no picks now, so here is a 250 in 9mm.
http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=6429 I do have a HK 9mmC V1. but here is a pic of my ? http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=7464 I had never even shot a SIG P229, or anything in .357 Sig for that matter, until today, and I knocked over all 12 steel targets without missing a beat. I was very impressed. I like my P226, but the 229 definately had more punch. The USPC 9mm is still my go-to carry gun, but I want to find something smaller, maybe a G26. The USP Match hybrid was the most impressive of the day, however. Zero recoil, and insanely fast follow-up shots, combined with the already perfect fit of the USP in my hand. I think I was sporting wood 2/3's of the day. HK 9C reliable, medium size. 13 or 15 round mags, if second is full size 9mm I think. Carry clock and locked, Double action first shot locked or not. Reliable, pull the trigger it will fire. In 357Sig it would walk the walk.
Just beats P229 in 357Sig, because of double action only. 45 Acp in small 3 inch barrel, keep it clean and lubed and using it's favorite ammo no problem except 7+1, but 15 with second mag. The USP Compact in .45 is the ONLY compact .45 I would ever buy. No 1911's for me, seen too many issues to mess with one myself. |
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Posted: 9/6/2009 11:51:12 PM EDT
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New Range (new to me at least) in DFW called Elm Fork, very nice and affordable place Hot as hell but we had an awesome time Took some buddies who were new to shooting. Im the one in the blue. Guy in the red is a new shooter, had a Walther P22, not nearly as "crappy" as I was expecting. Tough to get used to, but after that it was decently accurate. No jams either. Guy in the blue with the dangly bracelet thing on his wrist was also a new shooter, G22. My new toy http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/grantsidematch.jpg USP 9mm vs Glock 22.....guess who won?
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/aaronandy3.jpg The G19 jammed a total of 3 times, but it was junky brass ammo from Academy sports......still kinda hesitant to carry it til I test her some more...... http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/grantG19.jpg Sig Sauer P229 .357 SIG http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/AARONSigTargets.jpg Check out the shell casing in the air! This thing lays down those steel plates with ease http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/aaronmatch4.jpg Trusty USP Compact http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/grantc9.jpg We didnt actually shoot the AK at the plates, he just wanted a photo op
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/aaronAK47.jpg This guy took some fragment to the face, this is why you wear eye pro!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/bobbloody.jpg Some of the gear for the day http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/grantgear.jpg Things I learned: Yall were right about the Glock. What a fast, accurate, quick-to-action pistol! I love it. It jammed a few times, but it was with junk ammo, but Im still going to put it through the paces some more until Im ready to carry it. The HK USP Match Weight does wonders for recoil reduction. Its like shooting a .22 with the report of a 9mm All but one of us caught some splashback from the reactive targets, always wear teh eyepro!
Hard to beat a P229 in 357Sig good enough for SS and Air Marshals. Or a HK 9mm compact V1, or a reliable small 45ACP, got one a Night Defender. Ran 250 today broke in with 150 Ball WWB, 100 mixed HP, Speer 230g short barrel, some Federal, and 20 rounds of PowerBall 185g, it was the hottest. I think the pistol will handle the Speer as well has the PowerBall, penetration test suck. That is a hot round. Ran all without a glitch. Nice colt. just a little oil on the rails and locking lug, end or barrel and in front of hammer. If I can get another 100 assorted ammo through will no glitches, it's my new carry piece. Ran through 4 mags 3 colts and one trip. http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=12513 I have a 229 in 357 Sig, but no picks now, so here is a 250 in 9mm.
http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=6429 I do have a HK 9mmC V1. but here is a pic of my ? http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=7464 I had never even shot a SIG P229, or anything in .357 Sig for that matter, until today, and I knocked over all 12 steel targets without missing a beat. I was very impressed. I like my P226, but the 229 definately had more punch. The USPC 9mm is still my go-to carry gun, but I want to find something smaller, maybe a G26. The USP Match hybrid was the most impressive of the day, however. Zero recoil, and insanely fast follow-up shots, combined with the already perfect fit of the USP in my hand. I think I was sporting wood 2/3's of the day. HK 9C reliable, medium size. 13 or 15 round mags, if second is full size 9mm I think. Carry clock and locked, Double action first shot locked or not. Reliable, pull the trigger it will fire. In 357Sig it would walk the walk.
Just beats P229 in 357Sig, because of double action only. 45 Acp in small 3 inch barrel, keep it clean and lubed and using it's favorite ammo no problem except 7+1, but 15 with second mag. The USP Compact in .45 is the ONLY compact .45 I would ever buy. No 1911's for me, seen too many issues to mess with one myself. HK in any clambering is nice, it's reliable. Put the effort to keep clean lubed, and shoot the ammo the 19111 was made for it's a fine weapon, light trigger, short reset. 8-9 rounds. I shoot PowerBall in mine. That was a 4 inch steel Sig 1911. I hope this colt Night Defender will perform as well.
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Posted: 9/7/2009 9:41:58 AM EDT
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What happened was, as best as I recall, the Glock failed to eject a spent casing, resulting in a stovepipe jam. I tilted the gun to the side, racked the slide, dropping the empty shell out. This caused the next round to stop halfway into the chamber. I dropped the mag, racked slide again, ejecting this round. Finished off the mag with no issues. Next mag had one more stovepipe jam. After that, fired off another hundred rounds of a different type of ammo with no issues
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Posted: 9/7/2009 9:44:29 AM EDT
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I'll give you $100 for the Glocks that don't run right. PM for address and FFL info.
One thing I will recommend is that when you DO have malfunctions and take your time to clear it....stop yourself. TAP, RACK and get back to shooting. Even if you stop and look at the gun then think "Oh yeah, I need to TAP/RACK this thing..." go ahead and do it. You're building training scars by taking your time and overthinking it while leisurely clearing a malfunction. If it's a recurring problem, then there might be something wrong with the gun, but when you get the opportunity to clear a malfunction, make it second nature and muscle memory. Glad you got to shoot. It's a muggy mudpit around here. Rain then balls hot all weekend. |
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Posted: 9/7/2009 9:57:05 AM EDT
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If someone got hit the face to cause bleeding, you are too close to the steel. Safety glasses are there to protect the eyes from powder blowback, not scrapnel coming off a steel target with enough velocity to cause bleeding. If hit with that stuff, i don't think those glasses will stay intact and protect the eyes. I use a min of 30 feet from steel. Listen to this. You're doing it wrong! +1 Good Grief 
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Posted: 9/7/2009 9:59:31 AM EDT
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If someone got hit the face to cause bleeding, you are too close to the steel. Safety glasses are there to protect the eyes from powder blowback, not scrapnel coming off a steel target with enough velocity to cause bleeding. If hit with that stuff, i don't think those glasses will stay intact and protect the eyes. I use a min of 30 feet from steel. Listen to this. You're doing it wrong! +1 Good Grief I wonder why such a well established range wouldnt think to move their steel targets back a little bit. They are at a set distance, you cant get any closer or further back from them. |
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Posted: 9/7/2009 10:02:21 AM EDT
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Very cool thread....thanks for sharing!
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Posted: 9/7/2009 10:10:29 AM EDT
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If someone got hit the face to cause bleeding, you are too close to the steel. Safety glasses are there to protect the eyes from powder blowback, not scrapnel coming off a steel target with enough velocity to cause bleeding. If hit with that stuff, i don't think those glasses will stay intact and protect the eyes. I use a min of 30 feet from steel. Listen to this. You're doing it wrong! +1 Good Grief I wonder why such a well established range wouldnt think to move their steel targets back a little bit. They are at a set distance, you cant get any closer or further back from them. Guys –– in another post in this thread he mentions that it was the .22LR from the P22 that was bouncing back. I'm sure that the steel targets are meant for centerfire handguns and are not safe to use with .22LR. And good ballistic shooting glasses would be more than enough for standard "splashback" from metal targets. |
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Posted: 9/7/2009 10:27:46 AM EDT
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<snip> They also have a "Skeet golf" course where you cart around from hole to hole shooting at different trap/skeet setups. That would be called Sporting Clays |
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Posted: 9/7/2009 10:33:40 AM EDT
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<snip> They also have a "Skeet golf" course where you cart around from hole to hole shooting at different trap/skeet setups. That would be called Sporting Clays Right, but they called it "Skeet Golf" 
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Posted: 9/7/2009 10:37:50 AM EDT
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I have a G19 and shoot crappy ammo from Academy all the time, I have never had a jam in it.
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Posted: 9/7/2009 11:33:41 AM EDT
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I have a G19 and shoot crappy ammo from Academy all the time, I have never had a jam in it. Hmmm. Are you talking about the Academy brand "Monarch" ammo? Thats what jammed the G19. Its also jammed a Sig 226, Glock 22, Sig P6, and a HK P30. Im thinking its not the guns, but the ammo. Ive shot crappy aluminum cased Blazer from Academy as well, and had zero issues with it in anything but a CZSP01, and those are known to misfeed aluminum. |
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Posted: 9/7/2009 11:49:55 AM EDT
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I know that range.
They have a big problem with ricochets and splatter there. My brother caught splatter form the steel bay in another bay since the wall doesn't go all the way to the berm. ETA: I've never had a jam in my G19. I'd make sure it wasn't operator error... not to say Glock can't make a bad apple once in a while but... |
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Posted: 9/7/2009 11:51:01 AM EDT
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I know that range. http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/THellURider/IMG_0130_2.jpg They have a big problem with ricochets and splatter there. My brother caught splatter form the steel bay in another bay since the wall doesn't go all the way to the berm. Very cool, Im guessing thats over on the Tactical Law Enforcement side of the range? |
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Posted: 9/7/2009 11:55:23 AM EDT
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I know that range. http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/THellURider/IMG_0130_2.jpg They have a big problem with ricochets and splatter there. My brother caught splatter form the steel bay in another bay since the wall doesn't go all the way to the berm. Very cool, Im guessing thats over on the Tactical Law Enforcement side of the range? Nope Bay 1, the first one on your right when you drive in. It's a Tiger Valley course. 
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Posted: 9/7/2009 12:01:08 PM EDT
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I know that range. http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/THellURider/IMG_0130_2.jpg They have a big problem with ricochets and splatter there. My brother caught splatter form the steel bay in another bay since the wall doesn't go all the way to the berm. Very cool, Im guessing thats over on the Tactical Law Enforcement side of the range? Nope Bay 1, the first one on your right when you drive in. It's a Tiger Valley course. http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/THellURider/IMG_0019_2.jpg Ahhh cool. Just assumed by your outfit that you were LE. Like I said in the OP, I have never been to that range until yesterday. We paid for steel and paper bays, got a student discount, and ended up spending just 16 bucks a person for both bays. Are those "Tiger Valley" bays separate? Sounds like a training group? Pardon my ignorance, I dont know what that means... |
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Posted: 9/7/2009 12:43:28 PM EDT
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I know that range. http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/THellURider/IMG_0130_2.jpg They have a big problem with ricochets and splatter there. My brother caught splatter form the steel bay in another bay since the wall doesn't go all the way to the berm. Very cool, Im guessing thats over on the Tactical Law Enforcement side of the range? Nope Bay 1, the first one on your right when you drive in. It's a Tiger Valley course. http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/THellURider/IMG_0019_2.jpg Ahhh cool. Just assumed by your outfit that you were LE. Like I said in the OP, I have never been to that range until yesterday. We paid for steel and paper bays, got a student discount, and ended up spending just 16 bucks a person for both bays. Are those "Tiger Valley" bays separate? Sounds like a training group? Pardon my ignorance, I dont know what that means... Nope, not LE. That's just a Lacoste polo and accessories.
Tiger Valley A local North Texas training group. Get on their email list. They have monthly Tuesday night short courses in specific skill sets and then, of course, their regular classes both at Elm Fork and their larger facility in Waco. ETA: You go to SMU? 
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Posted: 9/7/2009 12:50:12 PM EDT
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I know that range. http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/THellURider/IMG_0130_2.jpg They have a big problem with ricochets and splatter there. My brother caught splatter form the steel bay in another bay since the wall doesn't go all the way to the berm. Very cool, Im guessing thats over on the Tactical Law Enforcement side of the range? Nope Bay 1, the first one on your right when you drive in. It's a Tiger Valley course. http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/THellURider/IMG_0019_2.jpg Ahhh cool. Just assumed by your outfit that you were LE. Like I said in the OP, I have never been to that range until yesterday. We paid for steel and paper bays, got a student discount, and ended up spending just 16 bucks a person for both bays. Are those "Tiger Valley" bays separate? Sounds like a training group? Pardon my ignorance, I dont know what that means... Nope, not LE. That's just a Lacoste polo and accessories.
Tiger Valley A local North Texas training group. Get on their email list. They have monthly Tuesday night short courses in specific skill sets and then, of course, their regular classes both at Elm Fork and their larger facility in Waco. ETA: You go to SMU? http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/THellURider/IMG_0053.jpg I was referring to the gear and outfit in the first pic. I actually went to Baylor, in Waco. I had heard of Tiger Valley while I was down there, I shot at Law Enforcement Educators (Chandlers) in Waco. I figured TV had to be some kind of training thing since they are in multiple cities. Interesting. I dont have time for much between work and grad school applications, but I may try and get out there. Cool stuff. |
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Posted: 9/7/2009 2:35:30 PM EDT
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I have a G19 and shoot crappy ammo from Academy all the time, I have never had a jam in it. Hmmm. Are you talking about the Academy brand "Monarch" ammo? Thats what jammed the G19. Its also jammed a Sig 226, Glock 22, Sig P6, and a HK P30. Im thinking its not the guns, but the ammo. Ive shot crappy aluminum cased Blazer from Academy as well, and had zero issues with it in anything but a CZSP01, and those are known to misfeed aluminum. Yep, I shoot that stuff all the time. |
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Posted: 9/7/2009 2:40:40 PM EDT
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my g19 is one of most dependable autos i own, it is however 1st generation, w/about 5,000 rds through her.
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Posted: 9/7/2009 2:50:20 PM EDT
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my g19 is one of most dependable autos i own, it is however 1st generation, w/about 5,000 rds through her. I can get G17's to limp wrist with weaker ammo all the time, but G19's have never choked on it even when I tried to induce stovepipes. |
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Posted: 9/7/2009 3:04:13 PM EDT
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New Range (new to me at least) in DFW called Elm Fork, very nice and affordable place Hot as hell but we had an awesome time Took some buddies who were new to shooting. Im the one in the blue. Guy in the red is a new shooter, had a Walther P22, not nearly as "crappy" as I was expecting. Tough to get used to, but after that it was decently accurate. No jams either. Guy in the blue with the dangly bracelet thing on his wrist was also a new shooter, G22. My new toy http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/grantsidematch.jpg USP 9mm vs Glock 22.....guess who won?
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/aaronandy3.jpg The G19 jammed a total of 3 times, but it was junky brass ammo from Academy sports......still kinda hesitant to carry it til I test her some more...... http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/grantG19.jpg Sig Sauer P229 .357 SIG http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/AARONSigTargets.jpg Check out the shell casing in the air! This thing lays down those steel plates with ease http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/aaronmatch4.jpg Trusty USP Compact http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/grantc9.jpg We didnt actually shoot the AK at the plates, he just wanted a photo op
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/aaronAK47.jpg This guy took some fragment to the face, this is why you wear eye pro!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/bobbloody.jpg Some of the gear for the day http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/grantgear.jpg Things I learned: Yall were right about the Glock. What a fast, accurate, quick-to-action pistol! I love it. It jammed a few times, but it was with junk ammo, but Im still going to put it through the paces some more until Im ready to carry it. The HK USP Match Weight does wonders for recoil reduction. Its like shooting a .22 with the report of a 9mm All but one of us caught some splashback from the reactive targets, always wear teh eyepro! The guy in the blue could use a tan. 
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Posted: 9/7/2009 3:07:50 PM EDT
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New Range (new to me at least) in DFW called Elm Fork, very nice and affordable place Hot as hell but we had an awesome time Took some buddies who were new to shooting. Im the one in the blue. Guy in the red is a new shooter, had a Walther P22, not nearly as "crappy" as I was expecting. Tough to get used to, but after that it was decently accurate. No jams either. Guy in the blue with the dangly bracelet thing on his wrist was also a new shooter, G22. My new toy http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/grantsidematch.jpg USP 9mm vs Glock 22.....guess who won?
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/aaronandy3.jpg The G19 jammed a total of 3 times, but it was junky brass ammo from Academy sports......still kinda hesitant to carry it til I test her some more...... http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/grantG19.jpg Sig Sauer P229 .357 SIG http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/AARONSigTargets.jpg Check out the shell casing in the air! This thing lays down those steel plates with ease http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/aaronmatch4.jpg Trusty USP Compact http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/grantc9.jpg We didnt actually shoot the AK at the plates, he just wanted a photo op
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/aaronAK47.jpg This guy took some fragment to the face, this is why you wear eye pro!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/bobbloody.jpg Some of the gear for the day http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/grantgear.jpg Things I learned: Yall were right about the Glock. What a fast, accurate, quick-to-action pistol! I love it. It jammed a few times, but it was with junk ammo, but Im still going to put it through the paces some more until Im ready to carry it. The HK USP Match Weight does wonders for recoil reduction. Its like shooting a .22 with the report of a 9mm All but one of us caught some splashback from the reactive targets, always wear teh eyepro! The guy in the blue could use a tan. Pale is the new tan bitch
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Posted: 9/7/2009 7:15:26 PM EDT
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Heres a new one:
Any of you Half-Life fans out there?
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Posted: 9/7/2009 7:24:41 PM EDT
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The Glock 19 was jamming because you stuck a magazine in it that was way too long without the magazine space to hold it in place. The same thing happens if you put a Glock 21 mag in a Glock 30. The magazine can wiggle since it has nothing to solidly seat against, that is enough to cause double feeds and stove pipes.
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Posted: 9/7/2009 7:25:40 PM EDT
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Heres a new one: Any of you Half-Life fans out there?
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/ANDYmatch2.jpg What the hell is all that crap on your wrists? |
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Posted: 9/7/2009 7:29:15 PM EDT
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Heres a new one: Any of you Half-Life fans out there?
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lloydkristmas/ANDYmatch2.jpg What the hell is all that crap on your wrists? Thats my friend, and I asked him the same thing. Looks fucking gay, huh? As for the Glock, the jams actually occurred with a normal magazine, not the long one in the pic |
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Posted: 9/7/2009 7:29:47 PM EDT
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The Glock 19 was jamming because you stuck a magazine in it that was way too long without the magazine space to hold it in place. The same thing happens if you put a Glock 21 mag in a Glock 30. The magazine can wiggle since it has nothing to solidly seat against, that is enough to cause double feeds and stove pipes. Here is a pic of a smaller Glock using a bigger magazine and spacer. http://www.topglock.com/images/ag1722.JPG http://www.topglock.com/DisplayPic.aspx?PIC=10036 Actually it occurred with a normal capacity mag. |
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Posted: 9/7/2009 7:40:30 PM EDT
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Square your shoulders up with the target.
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Posted: 9/7/2009 7:50:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/7/2009 8:38:36 PM EDT
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The Glock 19 was jamming because you stuck a magazine in it that was way too long without the magazine space to hold it in place. The same thing happens if you put a Glock 21 mag in a Glock 30. The magazine can wiggle since it has nothing to solidly seat against, that is enough to cause double feeds and stove pipes. Here is a pic of a smaller Glock using a bigger magazine and spacer. http://www.topglock.com/images/ag1722.JPG http://www.topglock.com/DisplayPic.aspx?PIC=10036 You know why I'm gonna call Bullshit? Because tons of other people use 33rd mags with no problem. Or Glock 17 mags too. That is a load of it. For the OP - most likely ammo, if every gun there had issues with it. |
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Posted: 9/8/2009 10:05:11 AM EDT
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The Glock 19 was jamming because you stuck a magazine in it that was way too long without the magazine space to hold it in place. The same thing happens if you put a Glock 21 mag in a Glock 30. The magazine can wiggle since it has nothing to solidly seat against, that is enough to cause double feeds and stove pipes. Here is a pic of a smaller Glock using a bigger magazine and spacer. http://www.topglock.com/images/ag1722.JPG http://www.topglock.com/DisplayPic.aspx?PIC=10036 You know why I'm gonna call Bullshit? Because tons of other people use 33rd mags with no problem. Or Glock 17 mags too. That is a load of it. For the OP - most likely ammo, if every gun there had issues with it. Call bullshit all you want, it is still true. Do you know what type of grip the OP was using vs the other people? Do you know what ammo the OP was using vs the other people? If you stick a large magazine into a Glock you can feel it wiggle. Add to that ammo that might not feed perfectly and the combination of the two causes double feeds and stove pipes. Secure the magazine so it doesn't wiggle and is properly aligned and the problem goes away. I experienced that first hand in my G30 while using G21 mags. I switched back to the G30 mags with the same ammo and it worked flawlessly. Also if you are shooting a smaller Glock and your grip happens to pressure on the exposed long magazine that too can cause the magazine to be misaligned and misfeed. The OP needs to shoot 100 rounds with same ammo and correct magazines and then report back on the number of jams. I bet it will be zero. |
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Posted: 9/8/2009 3:43:26 PM EDT
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The Glock 19 was jamming because you stuck a magazine in it that was way too long without the magazine space to hold it in place. The same thing happens if you put a Glock 21 mag in a Glock 30. The magazine can wiggle since it has nothing to solidly seat against, that is enough to cause double feeds and stove pipes. Here is a pic of a smaller Glock using a bigger magazine and spacer. http://www.topglock.com/images/ag1722.JPG http://www.topglock.com/DisplayPic.aspx?PIC=10036 You know why I'm gonna call Bullshit? Because tons of other people use 33rd mags with no problem. Or Glock 17 mags too. That is a load of it. For the OP - most likely ammo, if every gun there had issues with it. Call bullshit all you want, it is still true. Do you know what type of grip the OP was using vs the other people? Do you know what ammo the OP was using vs the other people? If you stick a large magazine into a Glock you can feel it wiggle. Add to that ammo that might not feed perfectly and the combination of the two causes double feeds and stove pipes. Secure the magazine so it doesn't wiggle and is properly aligned and the problem goes away. I experienced that first hand in my G30 while using G21 mags. I switched back to the G30 mags with the same ammo and it worked flawlessly. Also if you are shooting a smaller Glock and your grip happens to pressure on the exposed long magazine that too can cause the magazine to be misaligned and misfeed. The OP needs to shoot 100 rounds with same ammo and correct magazines and then report back on the number of jams. I bet it will be zero. I'll say it again, the jams occurred with a normal 15 round mag. The 33 rounder just happened to be in it for the pic. |
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