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Posted: 4/15/2022 9:58:45 PM EDT
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Didn't someone use the badge, a gun, and holster leather on the cover of their catalog ?
One of the "deputies". https://kval.com/news/local/police-take-man-into-custody-for-unintentionally-shooting-another-person |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 10:00:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With my California, New Hampshire, Utah & Arizona permits, plus constitutional carry, there are very few places I cannot legally carry. LEOSA does not exempt you from California’s mag capacity restrictions BTW. Yeah but you have California which non residents can't get. That's a huge deal to a lot of people especially those of us that border cali and frequently find ourselves across the line. The best motorcycle riding close to my location is almost entirely within California. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 10:02:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LEOSA is over rated with constitutional carry and non resident permits. I want everyone to be able to carry nation wide. However, as a fully sworn cop, even though I work part time (reserve) having nation wide carry is awesome. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 10:04:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't someone use the badge, a gun, and holster leather on the cover of their catalog ? One of the "deputies". https://kval.com/news/local/police-take-man-into-custody-for-unintentionally-shooting-another-person Read the other articles....This dude shot is brother in law in the leg while drunk and got probation.... "Pressburg was taken into custody on charges of assault 3, negligently wounding another, unlawful use of a weapon, and reckless endangerment." http://projects.registerguard.com/rg/news/local/35702240-75/man-who-shot-brother-inlaw-in-the-leg-gets-18-months-ofprobation.html.csp |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 10:08:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Doesn’t bother me. Finding a way to fuck the system is 100% American. But did they actually fuck the system? I'm no expert on New Mexico, but most states have LE requirements that have to be actually met to be an LE Officer. Meeting those requirements to be a Certified Officer is required for LEOSA. From what I remember the "Reserves" in Lake Arthur didn't meet the requirements and were given credentials as if they did when they weren't allowed to. Which once find out were taken away and a big shit storm ensued (including ARFCOM threads every few months). Someone might as well buy a badge off ebay and make a fake Police I.D. because that is all theirs were in the end. Just my badge and ID doesn't make me a Law Enforcement Officer in the State of TN. I had to graduate a six month Police Academy (My liberal city P.D. added feel good shit to make ours longer than any other Academy in the state), and then annually thereafter, I have to complete 40 hours of in-service training to include firearms, driving, law update, ethics, diversity, blah, blah, blah. Also annually, I then have to separately recertify/refresh/re-train any other certifications/training/skills that I have or use in any special assignments. Records of all the above are kept with the state POST Commission. In other TLDR words I don't think they fucked the system. Especially considering one of them got in a shoot out in another jurisdiction that hasn't been resolved yet I don't think. Imagine if one of your friends/family were shot by a guy that didn't meet the requirements/training/authority to even be in the situation that lead to your friend/family being shot by him. Why does GD rants about the Police being poorly trained when shit happens, and then is fine with people buying themselves into a Police role and having no training? |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 10:27:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Inb4 the tears? Serious question, and not trying to be an ass or call you out. Hell, I'm not even sure if we have any New Mexico L.E. here, so not trying to White Knight for them. But, you put a lot of work and hours into getting a Law Degree and passing the BAR, and then putting in the work doing the job for years. I assume that since you moved you are going to Motion the Utah BAR for Reciprocity? Would you be ok if a rich celebrity (I know you are the real celebrity, but go with me here) went to the Utah (or NY) and bought themselves a Law Degree without ever stepping foot in Law school, paid to pass and not even take the BAR, and bought themselves a Law License (forgive me if I have the steps and/or terminology wrong)? Would you just be good for them they fucked the system? If so, where does that end? Stolen Valor in a Army Surplus bought uniform to get free pancakes at IHOP? Fuck the system. Printing up a fake Handicap Placard to park closer to the store? Fuck the system. Collecting Welfare when really an able bodied person that could work but is lazy? Fuck the system. By the way how much can I pay Site Staff here to be made a Moderator? I want to carry a timeout button. Fuck this system. ETA: I know I have to send pics instead money for favors here......  |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 10:30:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NameState 1-David AdivNJ 2-Mario ArmijoCA 3-Andrew ArrabitoCA 4-James AssadCA 5-Louie III BanksNC 6-Dan BilzerianCA 7-Kevin Boland 8-David BolgianoDE 9-Nicolaas BoschKS 10-Oliver BrooksNM 11-Allan BrooksTX 12-Truman BrooksCT 13-Jonathan CanipeCO 14Bryan CarpenterMS 15Toshiro CarringtonCA 16Craig CastellanosCA 17Come ChantrelCA 18Adam ChavezNM 19Hunt CollinsCA 20Christopher ConnorsMD 21Brian CookCA 22Charles Cotey 23Akshara CritesNM 24Keith DarisCA 25Cameron DieterleVA 26Mark DietzNM 27Skip Drish 28Nicholas EsayianCA 29Warren EvertKS 30Art FabelaNM 31Jason Falla 32Ralph FisherMI 33Burns ForsytheNM 34Tej Gill 35Chris GivvinesMD 36Jose Gordon 37Jonathan GourleyCO 38Royler GracieCA 39Royce GracieCA 40Michael GreenVA 41Tyler Grey 42Chase HamiltonNM 43Andrew HaywoodUT 44Sean Hergerger 45Ronald HillFL 46Stephen HodnettTX 47Daniel HutsonNM 48AJ James 49Mark JohnsonAZ 50Jerod JohnsonAZ 51Charles KauffmanNM 52Kevin KentCA 53John KlierCA 54David Kuang 55Simon KubiakNM 56Charles LaffertyPA 57Raymond Jr. Lallo 58Mark LaRueTX 59Charles LaskyWI 60Charles III LawCA 61Duane LiptakTX 62Marcus Luttrell 63Brian Mackey 64Daniel McClelland 65Robert MercerNY 66Frank MetholaNM 67James Miller 68Dustin MohacsiCA 69Andrew Mullins 70Piya NavanugrahaCA 71Terry NelsonNM 72Jordan NighbertNM 73Donald OchoaCA 74Micah OlsenAZ 75Robert O’Neil 76James Patterson 77Danielle PinkstonCA 78Matthew PowellNM 79Kevin PowerNM 80Charles PressburgNC 81Peter Pukish 82Harrison RakesNM 83Timothy ReamsTX 84Evan ReesNM 85David Rhoden 86Glenn RiccioVA 87Freddie RichardCA 88Xavier RiesID 89William RiveraTX 90William RodriguezTX 91Thomas SamplesDE 92Damon Schaefer 93Matthew SchamrothNY 94Richard SchulzeFL 95Arthur SchulzeFL 96James SmithVA 97Tyrone SmithCA 98Timothy St HilaireTX 99Christopher StoehnerNM 100Michael SzotRI 101David Paul ThomasKS 102Lewis ThomasKS 103Alexander TraftonCA 104Christopher Wear 105George Wells 106Harlan Williamson 107Scott WolffNV 108Bryan YarbroCA 109Trent ZimmerLA (Table of Lake Arthur Reserve Police Officer Roster) So many douchebags….. they want all of the privledges but none of the responsibilities or education. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 10:30:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What round for brother in law? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ahh, the good ole Roland special What round for brother in law? Apparently 9mm + tequila |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 10:40:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Serious question, and not trying to be an ass or call you out. Hell, I'm not even sure if we have any New Mexico L.E. here, so not trying to White Knight for them. But, you put a lot of work and hours into getting a Law Degree and passing the BAR, and then putting in the work doing the job for years. I assume that since you moved you are going to Motion the Utah BAR for Reciprocity? Would you be ok if a rich celebrity (I know you are the real celebrity, but go with me here) went to the Utah (or NY) and bought themselves a Law Degree without ever stepping foot in Law school, paid to pass and not even take the BAR, and bought themselves a Law License (forgive me if I have the steps and/or terminology wrong)? Would you just be good for them they fucked the system? If so, where does that end? Stolen Valor in a Army Surplus bought uniform to get free pancakes at IHOP? Fuck the system. Printing up a fake Handicap Placard to park closer to the store? Fuck the system. Collecting Welfare when really an able bodied person that could work but is lazy? Fuck the system. By the way how much can I pay Site Staff here to be made a Moderator? I want to carry a timeout button. Fuck this system. ETA: I know I have to send pics instead money for favors here......  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 10:46:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Serious question, and not trying to be an ass or call you out. Hell, I'm not even sure if we have any New Mexico L.E. here, so not trying to White Knight for them. But, you put a lot of work and hours into getting a Law Degree and passing the BAR, and then putting in the work doing the job for years. I assume that since you moved you are going to Motion the Utah BAR for Reciprocity? Would you be ok if a rich celebrity (I know you are the real celebrity, but go with me here) went to the Utah (or NY) and bought themselves a Law Degree without ever stepping foot in Law school, paid to pass and not even take the BAR, and bought themselves a Law License (forgive me if I have the steps and/or terminology wrong)? Would you just be good for them they fucked the system? If so, where does that end? Stolen Valor in a Army Surplus bought uniform to get free pancakes at IHOP? Fuck the system. Printing up a fake Handicap Placard to park closer to the store? Fuck the system. Collecting Welfare when really an able bodied person that could work but is lazy? Fuck the system. By the way how much can I pay Site Staff here to be made a Moderator? I want to carry a timeout button. Fuck this system. ETA: I know I have to send pics instead money for favors here...... So you think the 2nd amendment is something you should have to have do all the above for? |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 10:55:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you think the 2nd amendment is something you should have to have do all the above for? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Serious question, and not trying to be an ass or call you out. Hell, I'm not even sure if we have any New Mexico L.E. here, so not trying to White Knight for them. But, you put a lot of work and hours into getting a Law Degree and passing the BAR, and then putting in the work doing the job for years. I assume that since you moved you are going to Motion the Utah BAR for Reciprocity? Would you be ok if a rich celebrity (I know you are the real celebrity, but go with me here) went to the Utah (or NY) and bought themselves a Law Degree without ever stepping foot in Law school, paid to pass and not even take the BAR, and bought themselves a Law License (forgive me if I have the steps and/or terminology wrong)? Would you just be good for them they fucked the system? If so, where does that end? Stolen Valor in a Army Surplus bought uniform to get free pancakes at IHOP? Fuck the system. Printing up a fake Handicap Placard to park closer to the store? Fuck the system. Collecting Welfare when really an able bodied person that could work but is lazy? Fuck the system. By the way how much can I pay Site Staff here to be made a Moderator? I want to carry a timeout button. Fuck this system. ETA: I know I have to send pics instead money for favors here...... So you think the 2nd amendment is something you should have to have do all the above for? Everyone should be able to carry nationwide. Using gun industry or military connections to impersonate being a police officer is shady as fuck. Both are true. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 11:00:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Everyone should be able to carry nationwide. Using gun industry or military connections to impersonate being a police officer is shady as fuck. Both are true. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Serious question, and not trying to be an ass or call you out. Hell, I'm not even sure if we have any New Mexico L.E. here, so not trying to White Knight for them. But, you put a lot of work and hours into getting a Law Degree and passing the BAR, and then putting in the work doing the job for years. I assume that since you moved you are going to Motion the Utah BAR for Reciprocity? Would you be ok if a rich celebrity (I know you are the real celebrity, but go with me here) went to the Utah (or NY) and bought themselves a Law Degree without ever stepping foot in Law school, paid to pass and not even take the BAR, and bought themselves a Law License (forgive me if I have the steps and/or terminology wrong)? Would you just be good for them they fucked the system? If so, where does that end? Stolen Valor in a Army Surplus bought uniform to get free pancakes at IHOP? Fuck the system. Printing up a fake Handicap Placard to park closer to the store? Fuck the system. Collecting Welfare when really an able bodied person that could work but is lazy? Fuck the system. By the way how much can I pay Site Staff here to be made a Moderator? I want to carry a timeout button. Fuck this system. ETA: I know I have to send pics instead money for favors here...... So you think the 2nd amendment is something you should have to have do all the above for? Everyone should be able to carry nationwide. Using gun industry or military connections to impersonate being a police officer is shady as fuck. Both are true. What about multiple troll accounts on Arfcom |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 11:24:40 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: With my California, New Hampshire, Utah & Arizona permits, plus constitutional carry, there are very few places I cannot legally carry. LEOSA does not exempt you from California’s mag capacity restrictions BTW. NY, communist New England, & Colorado I believe, as well as all the islands. You get California b/c you live in a conservative county. As a non-resident, I can't get a California permit, theoretically I could get a non-resident NY permit, but not for NYC. I need to pick up a N Dakota permit, that would give me Washington & Minnesota, I think, that I don't have w/ my Texas permit. For awhile, an ARFCOMer ran a US map that you could enter the permits you had & it would show you where you could & couldn't go. I had fun adding repeated non-resident permits (that I don't have) and eventually you'd overrun the buffers & the whole map would turn green, lol. There are a couple of decent similar maps out there. I don't particularly want to travel all over the US regularly, but it would be nice to hold most of my Constitutional birthright in my hands. It's frustrating that Americans have to go about unarmed in their own country. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 11:27:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So many douchebags….. they want all of the privledges but none of the responsibilities or education. Real question, not trying to fling arguments your way, but do you have knowledge of the “education” levels and the kind of responsibility a lot of those names on that list have had in their adjacent careers? Whether you think they should’ve gotten a volunteer badge or not — valid opinion open to polite discussion. But blanket-calling some of those heroes “douchebags” really blows by the combined hundreds of years of service and some grueling physical and personal sacrifices they’ve given to the USA. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 11:35:42 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But did they actually fuck the system? I'm no expert on New Mexico, but most states have LE requirements that have to be actually met to be an LE Officer. Meeting those requirements to be a Certified Officer is required for LEOSA. From what I remember the "Reserves" in Lake Arthur didn't meet the requirements and were given credentials as if they did when they weren't allowed to. Which once find out were taken away and a big shit storm ensued (including ARFCOM threads every few months). Someone might as well buy a badge off ebay and make a fake Police I.D. because that is all theirs were in the end. Just my badge and ID doesn't make me a Law Enforcement Officer in the State of TN. I had to graduate a six month Police Academy (My liberal city P.D. added feel good shit to make ours longer than any other Academy in the state), and then annually thereafter, I have to complete 40 hours of in-service training to include firearms, driving, law update, ethics, diversity, blah, blah, blah. Also annually, I then have to separately recertify/refresh/re-train any other certifications/training/skills that I have or use in any special assignments. Records of all the above are kept with the state POST Commission. In other TLDR words I don't think they fucked the system. Especially considering one of them got in a shoot out in another jurisdiction that hasn't been resolved yet I don't think. Imagine if one of your friends/family were shot by a guy that didn't meet the requirements/training/authority to even be in the situation that lead to your friend/family being shot by him. Why does GD rants about the Police being poorly trained when shit happens, and then is fine with people buying themselves into a Police role and having no training? Yes, LEOSA and NM require training, but if nobody's checking (which they weren't), and you hit a metal detector in NYC, which would you rather have? A Lake Arthur PD "Reservist" badge w/ a phone # who will confirm you're a "Reservist"? Or a state LTC that's not recognized in NYC and now you're gonna get loved tenderly? For Mark LaRue and Duane Liptak, it was good enough til the idiots ruined it for everyone else, as always happens. For most of the LA reservists, it was about LEOSA creds - for a few, it was to play cop & that's what got someone killed & the program shut down. I'm fine w/ the 99% that got to run around w/ LEOSA for a few years. How hard is it to invent a police department? Asking for a friend. 
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Posted: 4/15/2022 11:54:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How hard is it to invent a police department? Asking for a friend. I dont think its too hard, look at all the "1-2 etc man" chief of police/mayor, small one horse towns in the rural areas of the US that speed trap the major highway that runs thru their town that makes up 98% of their tickets. Don't we get these threads from time to time with everyone sayin they shouldn't exist |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 12:10:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is the thing that stands out to me. It works different in each state, but most STATES have a training requirement, ranging from "some, but not much" to, "All cops in this state are graduates of the full Police Academy." When we drill down to the local level, there are usually political people that limit/notice/pay attention to the number of reserves. Personal Tangent: I am a cop in Texas. In Texas, all cops must go through the same "Full" Police Academy. I was able to stop working in my mid 20's....and I did. Its a long story, but I decided that one of the things I wanted to do with a "free to do anything life" was to go through the full Police Academy and be a Reserve cop. I did that. I succeeded. And then it turned into a full time job, because I really loved it. After several years, it turned back into a reserve job. Then...after all that insanity and weirdness, I ended up an an actor in film and TV. with a few starring credits...and I moved away from where I reserved for a City. Now, I am interviewing with cities where I live. My cop resume is good. My life is insane. I am discovering some agencies are not interested because of my hollywood life. I respect them. Their admin are more concerned about the realities of their mission than what I could invite into their world. Some dont care. If i have the cop creds (I do) and can do the job (I can), they need me. Some are interested in me bringing "celeb" cred to their world. It is an interesting journey. Personally, I just want to keep doing cop stuff. But it is becoming harder and harder. Not often, but I do ger recognized, and the local press does like to write stories about the "cop that is an actor." I am not bitching, but it is an intersting process to navigate. It isnt the same, because he was many times the man I will ever be and many time the actor, but I wish I could talk with Jimmy Stewart and hear his wisdom right now. I was in a similar spot. I was an auxiliary for three years with my current agency while I was an active duty AF cop. When I decided to leave active duty and pursue a full time slot, I was lucky to get a fulltime slot. Back in the 90s it was very competitive to get hired on in my area and you either came from the auxiliary/reserves or from another full time agency. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 12:14:12 AM EDT
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Quoted: Why does GD rants about the Police being poorly trained when shit happens, and then is fine with people buying themselves into a Police role and having no training? That's a bit of a leap. Nobody has stated they want untrained people acting as police. People are sick of unconstitutional laws that restrict their ability to protect themselves and LEOSA allows you bypass many of those restrictive laws. People were simply saying they are ok or at least understand why someone used the BS department to go around the bad laws. Quoted: Real question, not trying to fling arguments your way, but do you have knowledge of the “education” levels and the kind of responsibility a lot of those names on that list have had in their adjacent careers? Whether you think they should’ve gotten a volunteer badge or not — valid opinion open to polite discussion. But blanket-calling some of those heroes “douchebags” really blows by the combined hundreds of years of service and some grueling physical and personal sacrifices they’ve given to the USA. Why is what they do or have done elsewhere relevant at all? There are those that played by the rules and those that chose not to. People used money and influence to buy their way into creds they didn't earn. I don't see why past service changes that. Charles Pressburg spent most of his life serving his country. He also shot his brother in law in the leg while drinking in a bar. Past service doesn't make someone good or make them good decision makers. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 12:16:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NY, communist New England, & Colorado I believe, as well as all the islands. You get California b/c you live in a conservative county. As a non-resident, I can't get a California permit, theoretically I could get a non-resident NY permit, but not for NYC. I need to pick up a N Dakota permit, that would give me Washington & Minnesota, I think, that I don't have w/ my Texas permit. For awhile, an ARFCOMer ran a US map that you could enter the permits you had & it would show you where you could & couldn't go. I had fun adding repeated non-resident permits (that I don't have) and eventually you'd overrun the buffers & the whole map would turn green, lol. There are a couple of decent similar maps out there. I don't particularly want to travel all over the US regularly, but it would be nice to hold most of my Constitutional birthright in my hands. It's frustrating that Americans have to go about unarmed in their own country. Interestingly there are some places where in theory LEOSA doesn't apply but a state permit does, specifically some federal property and school property where a carry permit is a written exception in the statute but off duty LEOSA carry isn't. Depends on the state and I doubt that in practice a cop is going to arrest an off duty LEO but the law has some weird cutouts. https://le.nra.org/understanding-leosa/off-limit-areas/ |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 12:17:17 AM EDT
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Not all that uncommon, abet in this case there appears to have been benifits. My father's uncle had a badge from Terlinqua (google said population of 110). I don't know what amount he "donated" to the department, but do seem to recall it also required a donation of time as well. I would have to wag, but I suspect besides getting a very unique badge, he also used it to get an effective open carry permit in Texas before CHL's were even allowed. That said, he might have gotten his carry permit through other means, he knew and contributed to a LOT of politicians. I recall his office had pictures of him with at least 4 sitting Presidents.
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Posted: 4/16/2022 12:20:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Serious question, and not trying to be an ass or call you out. Hell, I'm not even sure if we have any New Mexico L.E. here, so not trying to White Knight for them. But, you put a lot of work and hours into getting a Law Degree and passing the BAR, and then putting in the work doing the job for years. I assume that since you moved you are going to Motion the Utah BAR for Reciprocity? Would you be ok if a rich celebrity (I know you are the real celebrity, but go with me here) went to the Utah (or NY) and bought themselves a Law Degree without ever stepping foot in Law school, paid to pass and not even take the BAR, and bought themselves a Law License (forgive me if I have the steps and/or terminology wrong)? Would you just be good for them they fucked the system? If so, where does that end? Stolen Valor in a Army Surplus bought uniform to get free pancakes at IHOP? Fuck the system. Printing up a fake Handicap Placard to park closer to the store? Fuck the system. Collecting Welfare when really an able bodied person that could work but is lazy? Fuck the system. By the way how much can I pay Site Staff here to be made a Moderator? I want to carry a timeout button. Fuck this system. ETA: I know I have to send pics instead money for favors here...... Not the best analogy. 7 years, minimum, to get a law degree and 13-19 weeks to be a cop. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 12:28:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Real question, not trying to fling arguments your way, but do you have knowledge of the “education” levels and the kind of responsibility a lot of those names on that list have had in their adjacent careers? Whether you think they should’ve gotten a volunteer badge or not — valid opinion open to polite discussion. But blanket-calling some of those heroes “douchebags” really blows by the combined hundreds of years of service and some grueling physical and personal sacrifices they’ve given to the USA. I've met and paid for training FROM some of those guys, others of them are my FB friends and we've met at SHOT because we've all worked in the industry. Stay in your lane used to be a thing on the old LF. If you're the Kel I think you are, we've met. All of them could take classes from me on how to do car stops, case law and constitutional use of force. I'm going to coin a new word, it's an action verb called a Pannone: never having been a cop and thinking you can teach cop stuff/do cop stuff because you were in Delta. The poser parody version of this is to call yourself a Sheriff of something you are not. This pisses me off almost as much as cops who refer to themselves as Operators. All of these things can be true: many of the folks on that list, not Mark Larue, are great Americans who have done more for their country than 99% of the populace AND who were posing as cops without being qualified to do so. I am in favor of nationwide, constitutional concealed carry for all Americans, to include those convicted of non-violent felonies who have completed their sentences. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 12:42:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m sure that happens somewhere, but I doubt entirely fake reserve programs are common. If they are then it should be easy to name one or two. https://www.police1.com/celebrity/articles/shaquille-oneal-sworn-in-as-ga-deputy-HAGcJ7t0EPdIk1Pt/ |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 12:43:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not the best analogy. 7 years, minimum, to get a law degree and 13-19 weeks to be a cop. It’s a great analogy. It’s about faking a certification, not the requirement of the certification. I know many lawyers that wouldn’t be able to get past the initial application of being a police officer. Likewise, many cops could never be lawyers. Being one doesn’t qualify you to be the other. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 12:44:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody has stated they want untrained people acting as police… Why is what they do or have done elsewhere relevant at all? …People used money and influence to buy their way into creds they didn't earn. I don't see why past service changes that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody has stated they want untrained people acting as police… Why is what they do or have done elsewhere relevant at all? …People used money and influence to buy their way into creds they didn't earn. I don't see why past service changes that. I would posit that many of the folks that volunteered to help out at LA were amazingly well trained and real-world experienced in emergency trauma care, search & rescue, evidence collection, witness/perp interviewing, and other EMT/Police-applicable skills. Of course there was also *way* more firearms, LTL, and unarmed restraint knowledge -including when & how NOT to use force- than you’d find in most any department multiple times it’s size. Does that 1-to-1 substitute for “policing” experience or Academy training? No, but to make it sound like those skills & experience isn’t applicable or transferable to police work is silly. Quoted: Past service doesn't make someone good or make them good decision makers. Examples of bad decisions and bad apples are frequently posted about “real” cops that have been caught with pants down in the job (euphemistically as well as literally.) Take any large sample pool of dudes in any job (even POST certified bona fide cops that pass this thread’s purity test) and you’re going to occasionally see people make amazing, career ending blunders. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 1:26:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would posit that many of the folks that volunteered to help out at LA were amazingly well trained and real-world experienced in emergency trauma care, search & rescue, evidence collection, witness/perp interviewing, and other EMT/Police-applicable skills. Of course there was also *way* more firearms, LTL, and unarmed restraint knowledge -including when & how NOT to use force- than you’d find in most any department multiple times it’s size. Does that 1-to-1 substitute for “policing” experience or Academy training? No, but to make it sound like those skills & experience isn’t applicable or transferable to police work is silly. Nobody said they weren't well trained but the problem with that part of your argument is that they weren't using those skills to better Lake Arthur so mentioning their skills is silly. It's been way too long so I don't remember the details of the whole ordeal but I thought most of it was the chief wanting to rub elbows with dudes he thought were cool. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 1:51:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryO’Neil has been sworn in at many departments across the United States. Most, like the above, are honorary positions. It’s publicity stunts for both sides, not some hidden sham for fake credentials. It isn’t even close to Lake Arthur’s fraudulent reserve program, however, Shaq probably has more legit law enforcement training certifications than the entire list of Lake Arthur make believe reserves. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 1:58:31 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryFor the record, Shaq is not a good example of a celeb pretending to be a cop. He is a graduate of a real Academy and has held legitimate positions and a reserve police officer. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 1:58:59 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s a great analogy. It’s about faking a certification, not the requirement of the certification. I know many lawyers that wouldn’t be able to get past the initial application of being a police officer. Likewise, many cops could never be lawyers. Being one doesn’t qualify you to be the other. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not the best analogy. 7 years, minimum, to get a law degree and 13-19 weeks to be a cop. It’s a great analogy. It’s about faking a certification, not the requirement of the certification. I know many lawyers that wouldn’t be able to get past the initial application of being a police officer. Likewise, many cops could never be lawyers. Being one doesn’t qualify you to be the other. Realtor, or some other profession that only requires a GED and a short course, would have been a better analogy. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 2:02:08 AM EDT
[#30]
Where is this 13 week reserve officer course? In Texas it's 6 months.
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Posted: 4/16/2022 2:02:42 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: NY, communist New England, & Colorado I believe, as well as all the islands. You get California b/c you live in a conservative county. As a non-resident, I can't get a California permit, theoretically I could get a non-resident NY permit, but not for NYC. I need to pick up a N Dakota permit, that would give me Washington & Minnesota, I think, that I don't have w/ my Texas permit. For awhile, an ARFCOMer ran a US map that you could enter the permits you had & it would show you where you could & couldn't go. I had fun adding repeated non-resident permits (that I don't have) and eventually you'd overrun the buffers & the whole map would turn green, lol. There are a couple of decent similar maps out there. I don't particularly want to travel all over the US regularly, but it would be nice to hold most of my Constitutional birthright in my hands. It's frustrating that Americans have to go about unarmed in their own country. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: With my California, New Hampshire, Utah & Arizona permits, plus constitutional carry, there are very few places I cannot legally carry. LEOSA does not exempt you from California’s mag capacity restrictions BTW. NY, communist New England, & Colorado I believe, as well as all the islands. You get California b/c you live in a conservative county. As a non-resident, I can't get a California permit, theoretically I could get a non-resident NY permit, but not for NYC. I need to pick up a N Dakota permit, that would give me Washington & Minnesota, I think, that I don't have w/ my Texas permit. For awhile, an ARFCOMer ran a US map that you could enter the permits you had & it would show you where you could & couldn't go. I had fun adding repeated non-resident permits (that I don't have) and eventually you'd overrun the buffers & the whole map would turn green, lol. There are a couple of decent similar maps out there. I don't particularly want to travel all over the US regularly, but it would be nice to hold most of my Constitutional birthright in my hands. It's frustrating that Americans have to go about unarmed in their own country. Colorado is shall issue, doesn't give a shit about mag restrictions outside of Denver, and had reciprocity with any state which recognizes our CCWs including yours. We are a fairly liberal state yes, but our gun laws are pretty damn good still |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 2:06:54 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where is this 13 week reserve officer course? In Texas it's 6 months. GED & 13 weeks |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 2:29:06 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where is this 13 week reserve officer course? In Texas it's 6 months. Not really a time thing. In Texas the state mandated syllabus is around 750 hours now. Every cop in Texas (for the last few decades or so) must pass the the "Full Academy" or qualify for something else, based on other, real, police training. So, the Academy is as long as that takes, based on the format of the Academy. A full time Academy can knock it out in a few months. A part time Academy may take a year. But again, in Texas (and many other states) you have to take the full ride (or an approved equivelent) to be a cop. Full time, part time, whatever. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 2:44:38 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryAbout 5 months full time here, almost a year if done at night like most part time/reserve people have to complete it. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 2:56:08 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: About 5 months full time here, almost a year if done at night like most part time/reserve people have to complete it. Quote HistoryQuoted: About 5 months full time here, almost a year if done at night like most part time/reserve people have to complete it. “About 5 months” is the top of the 13-19 week range. The overwhelming majority fall into that range. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 3:00:12 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did steven seagull become a reserve deputy? Only in Moscow. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 3:02:25 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: “About 5 months” is the top of the 13-19 week range. The overwhelming majority fall into that range. Ok, you have your GED and academy done. You are hired, what happens next? |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 3:58:52 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, you have your GED and academy done. You are hired, what happens next? Unfortunately, a tremendous number of embarrassing events for law enforcement. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 4:21:52 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Unfortunately, a tremendous number of embarrassing events for law enforcement. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ok, you have your GED and academy done. You are hired, what happens next? Unfortunately, a tremendous number of embarrassing events for law enforcement. Not really. The vast majority of cops are out there trudging through it, without being the ones who make the news for "embarrassing events". But, you go ahead and think that. The answer is there are very few places where you go straight from the academy to riding in a car and taking calls. You will complete more department training at any decent agency before you get to do solo patrol. Of course you can just ride with the Chief.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 5:24:52 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think calling them badge bunnies may not be correct. More likely they wanted the perceived ability to carry (almost) anywhere. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Damn, I just looked up the membership roster...Lot's of SEALS and a few GB's that were secretly badge bunnies! I think calling them badge bunnies may not be correct. More likely they wanted the perceived ability to carry (almost) anywhere. I’d do it just for that reason |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 7:20:34 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't anyone figure this was gonna implode? They were posting badge pics in major gun rags. So, no. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 7:24:47 AM EDT
[#42]
Pay to play.
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Posted: 4/16/2022 7:27:48 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But did they actually fuck the system? I'm no expert on New Mexico, but most states have LE requirements that have to be actually met to be an LE Officer. Meeting those requirements to be a Certified Officer is required for LEOSA. From what I remember the "Reserves" in Lake Arthur didn't meet the requirements and were given credentials as if they did when they weren't allowed to. Which once find out were taken away and a big shit storm ensued (including ARFCOM threads every few months). Someone might as well buy a badge off ebay and make a fake Police I.D. because that is all theirs were in the end. Just my badge and ID doesn't make me a Law Enforcement Officer in the State of TN. I had to graduate a six month Police Academy (My liberal city P.D. added feel good shit to make ours longer than any other Academy in the state), and then annually thereafter, I have to complete 40 hours of in-service training to include firearms, driving, law update, ethics, diversity, blah, blah, blah. Also annually, I then have to separately recertify/refresh/re-train any other certifications/training/skills that I have or use in any special assignments. Records of all the above are kept with the state POST Commission. In other TLDR words I don't think they fucked the system. Especially considering one of them got in a shoot out in another jurisdiction that hasn't been resolved yet I don't think. Imagine if one of your friends/family were shot by a guy that didn't meet the requirements/training/authority to even be in the situation that lead to your friend/family being shot by him. Why does GD rants about the Police being poorly trained when shit happens, and then is fine with people buying themselves into a Police role and having no training? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Doesn’t bother me. Finding a way to fuck the system is 100% American. But did they actually fuck the system? I'm no expert on New Mexico, but most states have LE requirements that have to be actually met to be an LE Officer. Meeting those requirements to be a Certified Officer is required for LEOSA. From what I remember the "Reserves" in Lake Arthur didn't meet the requirements and were given credentials as if they did when they weren't allowed to. Which once find out were taken away and a big shit storm ensued (including ARFCOM threads every few months). Someone might as well buy a badge off ebay and make a fake Police I.D. because that is all theirs were in the end. Just my badge and ID doesn't make me a Law Enforcement Officer in the State of TN. I had to graduate a six month Police Academy (My liberal city P.D. added feel good shit to make ours longer than any other Academy in the state), and then annually thereafter, I have to complete 40 hours of in-service training to include firearms, driving, law update, ethics, diversity, blah, blah, blah. Also annually, I then have to separately recertify/refresh/re-train any other certifications/training/skills that I have or use in any special assignments. Records of all the above are kept with the state POST Commission. In other TLDR words I don't think they fucked the system. Especially considering one of them got in a shoot out in another jurisdiction that hasn't been resolved yet I don't think. Imagine if one of your friends/family were shot by a guy that didn't meet the requirements/training/authority to even be in the situation that lead to your friend/family being shot by him. Why does GD rants about the Police being poorly trained when shit happens, and then is fine with people buying themselves into a Police role and having no training? At the end of the day, they were not real cops and could not legally carry under LEOSA. Hell, they couldn't legally carry in NM. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 7:37:52 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Was gonna, say I've seen this come across more than a few cases on police news channels to question how widespread this activity is I'm not aware of it in Ohio. Reserves require the same training as full timers here if they are going to have arrest authority and peace officer status. Most are either retired full timers, or recent academy grads waiting for a full time opening, and are required to actually show up a certain number of hours per year. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 7:45:27 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Everyone should be able to carry nationwide. Using gun industry or military connections to impersonate being a police officer is shady as fuck. Both are true. Yeah, that was my key takeaway as well. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 7:48:04 AM EDT
[#46]
Damn,saw a famous Seal,from Texas on that list.
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Posted: 4/16/2022 8:01:27 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't someone use the badge, a gun, and holster leather on the cover of their catalog ? One of the "deputies". https://kval.com/news/local/police-take-man-into-custody-for-unintentionally-shooting-another-person |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 8:08:29 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn,saw a famous Seal,from Texas on that list. Marcus Lutrell? Can you not say the name? If you do does he show up and fall down the hill in your back yard? |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 8:19:02 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not aware of it in Ohio. Reserves require the same training as full timers here if they are going to have arrest authority and peace officer status. Most are either retired full timers, or recent academy grads waiting for a full time opening, and are required to actually show up a certain number of hours per year. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Was gonna, say I've seen this come across more than a few cases on police news channels to question how widespread this activity is I'm not aware of it in Ohio. Reserves require the same training as full timers here if they are going to have arrest authority and peace officer status. Most are either retired full timers, or recent academy grads waiting for a full time opening, and are required to actually show up a certain number of hours per year. Reserves are far and few between here. And I've never seen them carry. I think they're called Auxiliary officers and are restricted to traffic control and other non enforcement functions. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 8:30:44 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Reserves are far and few between here. And I've never seen them carry. I think they're called Auxiliary officers and are restricted to traffic control and other non enforcement functions. It's a thing here and has been a net positive for us. We probably have like 6 reserves. At present, all were previously full time either here or one of the cities. A lot of experience that can be called on when needed. What killed off a lot of reserve programs was the increase in mandatory cpt hours. Many just couldn't put in that much time in yearly training. |
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