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Posted: 5/4/2019 6:25:14 AM EDT
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The Italians had a couple neat looking twin engined attack planes during WWII
Breda 88 Lince (lynx) 
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Posted: 5/4/2019 6:27:48 AM EDT
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IMAM Ro-57
Although I’ve read that their performance was something of a dog, despite looking like real aero hot rods with those big engine nacelles |
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Posted: 5/4/2019 6:32:07 AM EDT
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Japs had several twin engines designs, too
Ki-45 
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Posted: 5/4/2019 6:36:04 AM EDT
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I love civiltary warbirds. 
North American B-25 Mitchell https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/48911/civilMitchell8_jpg-933638.JPG Martin B-26 Marauder https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/48911/civilMarauder1_jpg-933641.JPG Douglas A-20 Havoc https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/48911/civilHavoc6_jpg-933642.JPG Douglas A-26 Invader https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/48911/civilInvader35a_jpg-933654.JPG But all those involved in the naming of those should be tortured. Douglas A-20 Havoc..... then they built the A-26 Invader but renamed it the B-26 when the Air Force was formed and when the Martin B-26 Marauder was retired. And then they renamed it the A-26. |
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Posted: 5/4/2019 6:43:11 AM EDT
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JU88 was the most flexible aircraft of the war. It did everything well.
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Posted: 5/4/2019 6:49:28 AM EDT
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The B-26 Flak Bait is being restored at the Smithsonian in Virginia.
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Posted: 5/4/2019 7:12:55 AM EDT
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Love the Mitchell, one of my all time faves.
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Posted: 5/4/2019 7:20:08 AM EDT
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I always read that an A26, once it dropped it's bomb load, could out turn and out dive an ME109. By the end of the war in Europe, the A26's had shot down as many ME109's as the ME109's had shot down A26's.
The Mosquito was a bad ass, too. Fast enough, when stripped down, to use for daylight recon over Europe. They had a very good chance of being able to take off from Britain, fly to a target area (day before or the day after) a bombing raid and take pictures before returning to their base. While outrunning the best German fighters multiple times during the mission. One you seldom see mentioned was called a Bristol Beaufighter. Night fighter later used for daylight ground attack, coastal defense, etc. Fast and maneuverable. |
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Posted: 5/4/2019 7:22:15 AM EDT
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JU-88 will always be my favourite. |
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Posted: 5/4/2019 7:32:54 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/4/2019 7:40:29 AM EDT
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 Catch 22 Take off scene |
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Posted: 5/4/2019 7:48:02 AM EDT
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Top speed of the Mosquito in level flight at altitude was actually around 400 mph, not the 300 mph stated by a previous poster. Here's a good overview.
 WWII Documentary: The Mosquito | The Legendary Aircraft Of WWII There are also some good youtubes about the variety of missions they flew. |
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Posted: 5/4/2019 9:11:08 AM EDT
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Probably the most iconic would be the B-25 Mitchel.
From the early dark days of WW2 until the last days of the war the B-25 carried the fight to the enemy. Good range, good payload & forgiving to fly !! Made a huge impact on Japanese shipping and on Japanese airfields. I would say that the two that capture my imagination the most are the B-25 and A-26 Invader. My dad used to load bombs and ammo onto A-26s in Laos during the early part of the war in SE Asia. Around 1964. So the Invader has a special place in my heart. I always look at these aircraft from the standpoint of what they would be like to actually fly myself. The A-26 Invader would probably be more entertaining since it would fly more like a fighter. If I ever win the Powerball I'll get both. |
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Posted: 5/4/2019 9:21:33 AM EDT
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Heavy bomber but venerable for sure. I understand that Tom Landry the ex head coach of the Dallas Cowboys was a B-17 pilot in WWII. They say that he was a very competent and a good one too. I'm sure he was. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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From the National Air Force Museum. One of my favorites. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/327887/20190413_162830_jpg-933617.JPG Well, not a twin engine  I understand that Tom Landry the ex head coach of the Dallas Cowboys was a B-17 pilot in WWII. They say that he was a very competent and a good one too. I'm sure he was.
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Posted: 5/4/2019 9:44:22 AM EDT
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I love civiltary warbirds.
North American B-25 Mitchell https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/48911/civilMitchell8_jpg-933638.JPG Martin B-26 Marauder https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/48911/civilMarauder1_jpg-933641.JPG Douglas A-20 Havoc https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/48911/civilHavoc6_jpg-933642.JPG Douglas A-26 Invader https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/48911/civilInvader35a_jpg-933654.JPG |
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Posted: 5/4/2019 9:46:17 AM EDT
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I just did a fuck load of research on the Doolittle raids and the mods made to the B 25’s used there for a book. It’s a miracle anyone survived. |
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Posted: 5/4/2019 9:50:54 AM EDT
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JU88 was the most flexible aircraft of the war. It did everything well. High Altitude Long Range Night Bomber (able to fly to Berlin & Back with the Payload of a B-17 or B-24) Medium Altitude tactical bomber Pathfinder (to designate & mark targets for attack by night bomber main force) Surgical Attack Aircraft (used in some of the most daring & pinpoint bombing raids of the war) Long Range Strategic Reconnaissance (the workhorse of the Allies) Night Fighter (intercept and shoot down enemy aircraft in your airspace) Intruder (fly at night into enemy airspace to hunt his night fighters or attack his airfields) Anti-shipping strike aircraft (Rockets + 57mm cannon "Molins gun on the "Tsetse Fly" version) Long Range Heavy Fighter to hunt enemy anti-shipping aircraft High Priority Fast Transport (BOAC) And as a Fighter Bomber... Just an Amazing Aircraft that excelled in so many roles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Mosquito Put a JU-88 in the air around Spitfires, P-47 or P-51s and you'd have an easy kill Put a Mosquito in the air around Bf-109 or FW-190 and most often the Mosquito returns home to base. (& Maybe the enemy does not....) FROM THE WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE : "The FB Mk VI proved capable of holding its own against fighter aircraft, in addition to strike/bombing roles. For example, on 15 January 1945 Mosquito FB Mk VIs of 143 Squadron were engaged by 30 Focke-Wulf Fw 190s from Jagdgeschwader 5: the Mosquitos sank an armed trawler and two merchant ships, but five Mosquitos were lost (two reportedly to flak),[177] while shooting down five Fw 190s" |
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Posted: 5/4/2019 9:54:06 AM EDT
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Probably the most iconic would be the B-25 Mitchel. I always look at these aircraft from the standpoint of what they would be like to actually fly myself. The A-26 Invader would probably be more entertaining since it would fly more like a fighter. If I ever win the Powerball I'll get both.  |
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Posted: 5/4/2019 10:02:27 AM EDT
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kewl thread op
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Posted: 5/4/2019 10:04:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We all have our opinion, but I'd give the Blue ribbon to the Mosquito. High Altitude Long Range Night Bomber (able to fly to Berlin & Back with the Payload of a B-17 or B-24) Medium Altitude tactical bomber Pathfinder (to designate & mark targets for attack by night bomber main force) Surgical Attack Aircraft (used in some of the most daring & pinpoint bombing raids of the war) Long Range Strategic Reconnaissance (the workhorse of the Allies) Night Fighter (intercept and shoot down enemy aircraft in your airspace) Intruder (fly at night into enemy airspace to hunt his night fighters or attack his airfields) Anti-shipping strike aircraft (Rockets + 57mm cannon "Molins gun on the "Tsetse Fly" version) Long Range Heavy Fighter to hunt enemy anti-shipping aircraft High Priority Fast Transport (BOAC) And as a Fighter Bomber... Just an Amazing Aircraft that excelled in so many roles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Mosquito Put a JU-88 in the air around Spitfires, P-47 or P-51s and you'd have an easy kill Put a Mosquito in the air around Bf-109 or FW-190 and most often the Mosquito returns home to base. (& Maybe the enemy does not....) FROM THE WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE : "The FB Mk VI proved capable of holding its own against fighter aircraft, in addition to strike/bombing roles. For example, on 15 January 1945 Mosquito FB Mk VIs of 143 Squadron were engaged by 30 Focke-Wulf Fw 190s from Jagdgeschwader 5: the Mosquitos sank an armed trawler and two merchant ships, but five Mosquitos were lost (two reportedly to flak),[177] while shooting down five Fw 190s" |
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Posted: 5/4/2019 10:13:17 AM EDT
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Saw a video on this one the other day. Made of wood as several of them like the B-24 were. Could attain speeds of up to 300 mph. Impressive for the day and for what it achieved. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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DeHavilland 'Skeeter counts as well. BTW, Allies only, or is this open to ALL? Made of wood as several of them like the B-24 were. Could attain speeds of up to 300 mph. Impressive for the day and for what it achieved. |
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Posted: 5/4/2019 12:06:52 PM EDT
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Top speed of the Mosquito in level flight at altitude was actually around 400 mph, not the 300 mph stated by a previous poster. There are some good youtubes about the variety of missions they flew. |
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Posted: 5/4/2019 12:11:33 PM EDT
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I'd say either the SP-01 Phantom or the P-09.
Wait, what... |
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Posted: 5/4/2019 12:22:41 PM EDT
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That can be misleading, what altitudes, pilot abilities, what phase of the war? I’m a huge fan of the twins, but generally they are no match for a single engine fighter. The mosquito isn’t really a bomber, it’s actually a fighter pressed into service as bomber and Reece use because of its speed. There are very,very few actual incidents of actual dog fights with medium and light bombers, where the bomber won. Look at the Battle of Britain the Luftwaffe had to pull out their twins due to loss’s. Big twins just can’t turn and are a big bullseye. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: We all have our opinion, but I'd give the Blue ribbon to the Mosquito. High Altitude Long Range Night Bomber (able to fly to Berlin & Back with the Payload of a B-17 or B-24) Medium Altitude tactical bomber Pathfinder (to designate & mark targets for attack by night bomber main force) Surgical Attack Aircraft (used in some of the most daring & pinpoint bombing raids of the war) Long Range Strategic Reconnaissance (the workhorse of the Allies) Night Fighter (intercept and shoot down enemy aircraft in your airspace) Intruder (fly at night into enemy airspace to hunt his night fighters or attack his airfields) Anti-shipping strike aircraft (Rockets + 57mm cannon "Molins gun on the "Tsetse Fly" version) Long Range Heavy Fighter to hunt enemy anti-shipping aircraft High Priority Fast Transport (BOAC) And as a Fighter Bomber... Just an Amazing Aircraft that excelled in so many roles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Mosquito Put a JU-88 in the air around Spitfires, P-47 or P-51s and you'd have an easy kill Put a Mosquito in the air around Bf-109 or FW-190 and most often the Mosquito returns home to base. (& Maybe the enemy does not....) FROM THE WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE : "The FB Mk VI proved capable of holding its own against fighter aircraft, in addition to strike/bombing roles. For example, on 15 January 1945 Mosquito FB Mk VIs of 143 Squadron were engaged by 30 Focke-Wulf Fw 190s from Jagdgeschwader 5: the Mosquitos sank an armed trawler and two merchant ships, but five Mosquitos were lost (two reportedly to flak),[177] while shooting down five Fw 190s" In the Battle of Britain, the German Bombers DO-17, HE-111, JU-88 never really worked out the whole defensive fire plan thing. The Germans used single, hand held 8mm machineguns with a 50 round drum... Contrast that Vs. 8 belt fed .303 brownings off a Hurricane or Spitfire... The Me-110 (German twin engined "fighter" was manhandled so badly by the RAF, that the Luftwaffe had to assign Fighers Escorts (BF-109) to their "fighter" ME-110s You are correct that the size & mass of a twin engine fighter works against it being as maneuverable as most single engined fighters. The P-38 had trouble in the E.T.O. against the German Bf-109 & FW-190s for that reason. In the Pacific, the P-38 couldn't maneuver with the super Nimble Zero or Oscars either, but the US pilots shot down a LOT of them by using their range, speed & heavy punch to Boom & Zoom. The P-38 was to top USAAF fighter in the P.T.O. I would not take a Mosquito as first pick to go FW-190 hunting, but the speed and heavy firepower of the Mosquito were really unique in WWII. German Fighters who messed with a swarm of Mosquitos could find the Hunter becoming the Hunted. |
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Posted: 5/4/2019 12:24:03 PM EDT
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A B-25 flew over my house yesterday and I missed it. :(
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Posted: 5/4/2019 12:25:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/4/2019 12:28:12 PM EDT
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Not much love here for the Douglas A-20
I have liked the gun nose version for a long time. Single seat attack bomber - no copilot sitting beside you in those tiny cockpits. But that also means no possible to stretch the legs if even a little on long missions over the ocean. Skip bombing and strafing jap freighters in the Bismarck Sea (B-25s did this too) 
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Posted: 5/4/2019 12:34:22 PM EDT
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Bell YFM-1 Airacuda
More like a “destroyer” airplane Never entered active service, but a pretty wild design. 
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Posted: 5/4/2019 12:34:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/4/2019 12:38:28 PM EDT
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Another prototype that never entered service
Bell AT-38 Grizzly attack plane Had a 75mm gun in the nose  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/4/2019 12:46:04 PM EDT
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Not much love here for the Douglas A-20 I have liked the gun nose version for a long time. Single seat attack bomber - no copilot sitting beside you in those tiny cockpits. But that also means no possible to stretch the legs if even a little on long missions over the ocean. Skip bombing and strafing jap freighters in the Bismarck Sea (B-25s did this too) https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3415/4634250301_4c34dfa342_b.jpg http://3rdstories.yolasite.com/resources/Mark_Harbour/Salome%20%2040-144%20%20Kila%20(%203%20Mile%20)%204.jpg |
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Posted: 5/4/2019 12:46:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryBut damn, if it's isn't my absolute favorite piston engine warbird!  Attached FileSo symmetrical. 
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Posted: 5/4/2019 12:49:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/4/2019 1:04:56 PM EDT
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with respect. In the Battle of Britain, the German Bombers DO-17, HE-111, JU-88 never really worked out the whole defensive fire plan thing. The Germans used single, hand held 8mm machineguns with a 50 round drum... Contrast that Vs. 8 belt fed .303 brownings off a Hurricane or Spitfire... The Me-110 (German twin engined "fighter" was manhandled so badly by the RAF, that the Luftwaffe had to assign Fighers Escorts (BF-109) to their "fighter" ME-110s You are correct that the size & mass of a twin engine fighter works against it being as maneuverable as most single engined fighters. The P-38 had trouble in the E.T.O. against the German Bf-109 & FW-190s for that reason. In the Pacific, the P-38 couldn't maneuver with the super Nimble Zero or Oscars either, but the US pilots shot down a LOT of them by using their range, speed & heavy punch to Boom & Zoom. The P-38 was to top USAAF fighter in the P.T.O. I would not take a Mosquito as first pick to go FW-190 hunting, but the speed and heavy firepower of the Mosquito were really unique in WWII. German Fighters who messed with a swarm of Mosquitos could find the Hunter becoming the Hunted. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: We all have our opinion, but I'd give the Blue ribbon to the Mosquito. High Altitude Long Range Night Bomber (able to fly to Berlin & Back with the Payload of a B-17 or B-24) Medium Altitude tactical bomber Pathfinder (to designate & mark targets for attack by night bomber main force) Surgical Attack Aircraft (used in some of the most daring & pinpoint bombing raids of the war) Long Range Strategic Reconnaissance (the workhorse of the Allies) Night Fighter (intercept and shoot down enemy aircraft in your airspace) Intruder (fly at night into enemy airspace to hunt his night fighters or attack his airfields) Anti-shipping strike aircraft (Rockets + 57mm cannon "Molins gun on the "Tsetse Fly" version) Long Range Heavy Fighter to hunt enemy anti-shipping aircraft High Priority Fast Transport (BOAC) And as a Fighter Bomber... Just an Amazing Aircraft that excelled in so many roles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Mosquito Put a JU-88 in the air around Spitfires, P-47 or P-51s and you'd have an easy kill Put a Mosquito in the air around Bf-109 or FW-190 and most often the Mosquito returns home to base. (& Maybe the enemy does not....) FROM THE WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE : "The FB Mk VI proved capable of holding its own against fighter aircraft, in addition to strike/bombing roles. For example, on 15 January 1945 Mosquito FB Mk VIs of 143 Squadron were engaged by 30 Focke-Wulf Fw 190s from Jagdgeschwader 5: the Mosquitos sank an armed trawler and two merchant ships, but five Mosquitos were lost (two reportedly to flak),[177] while shooting down five Fw 190s" In the Battle of Britain, the German Bombers DO-17, HE-111, JU-88 never really worked out the whole defensive fire plan thing. The Germans used single, hand held 8mm machineguns with a 50 round drum... Contrast that Vs. 8 belt fed .303 brownings off a Hurricane or Spitfire... The Me-110 (German twin engined "fighter" was manhandled so badly by the RAF, that the Luftwaffe had to assign Fighers Escorts (BF-109) to their "fighter" ME-110s You are correct that the size & mass of a twin engine fighter works against it being as maneuverable as most single engined fighters. The P-38 had trouble in the E.T.O. against the German Bf-109 & FW-190s for that reason. In the Pacific, the P-38 couldn't maneuver with the super Nimble Zero or Oscars either, but the US pilots shot down a LOT of them by using their range, speed & heavy punch to Boom & Zoom. The P-38 was to top USAAF fighter in the P.T.O. I would not take a Mosquito as first pick to go FW-190 hunting, but the speed and heavy firepower of the Mosquito were really unique in WWII. German Fighters who messed with a swarm of Mosquitos could find the Hunter becoming the Hunted. |
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Posted: 5/4/2019 1:09:00 PM EDT
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A-20s were very maneuverable - many pilots said it flew like a fighter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not much love here for the Douglas A-20 I have liked the gun nose version for a long time. Single seat attack bomber - no copilot sitting beside you in those tiny cockpits. But that also means no possible to stretch the legs if even a little on long missions over the ocean. Skip bombing and strafing jap freighters in the Bismarck Sea (B-25s did this too) https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3415/4634250301_4c34dfa342_b.jpg http://3rdstories.yolasite.com/resources/Mark_Harbour/Salome%20%2040-144%20%20Kila%20(%203%20Mile%20)%204.jpg |
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Posted: 5/4/2019 1:24:14 PM EDT
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PV2 Harpoon and it's brother the B34 Lexington bring the sexy. Sleak, fast, bringing the 50 cal hate. Like a B25 but better. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/361372/81948_1490411252_jpg-933734.JPG But anything with a P&W R-2800 is a winner for me (I work on 2800s most days.) |
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Posted: 5/4/2019 2:26:52 PM EDT
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Focke-Wulf Ta 154 Moskito... literally the Germans attempt at reproducing the performance/plywood construction of the de Havilland Mosquito.. high performance, but they couldn't get the glue righ(the structure wouldn't stay intact) so extremely limited production
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Posted: 5/4/2019 9:02:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/4/2019 9:10:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/4/2019 9:10:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThe Germans had several aircraft that were "adversely affected" by poor glue in the laminations of their wooden structures
Two pop up to mind being the He-162 (Peoples Jet) and the Vertical Launched Rocket armed Interceptor Nater (Viper) |
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Posted: 5/4/2019 9:11:58 PM EDT
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Mossie, but being set up for BDA and photo recon...
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Posted: 5/4/2019 9:12:48 PM EDT
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American twins were amazing at the time. The b-26 gets my vote.
Fun little story from my Grandfather. He was stationed at an airbase in west Texas for training during WW2. One day one of the B-25 pilots asked if he wanted a free ride in the front/lower area and he took it. Little did Grandpa know that the B-25 pilots used windmills as navigating aids and targets. The pilots had a game to see how close they could come to the windmills and often clipped them. Grandpas pilot for that ride was one of the craziest and took out more than one windmill, apparently feeding off the fear and screams, after that Grandpa never got into another B-25 no matter what. |
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Posted: 5/4/2019 9:18:22 PM EDT
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 The fuselages were steel tubing,made by Schwinn. |
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Posted: 5/4/2019 9:31:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/4/2019 9:32:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/4/2019 9:33:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/4/2019 10:40:05 PM EDT
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I am surprised to the people in overwhelming agreement. dehavilland mosquito
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Posted: 5/4/2019 10:48:31 PM EDT
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I am surprised to the people in overwhelming agreement. dehavilland mosquito |
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Posted: 5/4/2019 11:09:42 PM EDT
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https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/0de85043-d9bc-4c0d-9bcb-fb1c82af17ba_1.1327ae659ef7168eeb32bc53d54cf415.jpeg?odnHeight=450&odnWidth=450&odnBg=FFFFFF The fuselages were steel tubing,made by Schwinn. |
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Posted: 5/4/2019 11:21:07 PM EDT
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IIR
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A couple that are less remembered: Martin Baltimore https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/187062/300px-Martin_A-30A_jpg-933648.JPG Martin Maryland https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/187062/300px-Martin_Maryland_RAF_North_Africa_jpg-933653.JPG |
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