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Know a locksmith that used to drill into safes for police serving search warrants. Really doesn’t take long to do but the safe can get destroyed. Actually kind of considerate of them to just use the combination. He used to hate it when he’d arrive on scene and the cops would loudly proclaim to everyone “Here’s the locksmith to open the safe” while the perps are handcuffed sitting in the front lawn glaring at him. |
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Quoted: Even Apple refused to unlock a phone. Quoted: Quoted: Basically any company will do that when required via legal means. This isn't even slightly implausible. Even Apple refused to unlock a phone. Not the same at all. The FBI was demanding apple to assist in breaking into an iphone, they didn't have codes for, NOT simply unlocking it. They were essentially asking apple to degrade security on ALL iPhones in the future, and using this as politically charged excuse to force it. The FBI had physical access to the phone and could get the data anytime they wanted. Apple was aware and thus rightly surmised their actual goal was forcing Apple to bake in degraded security. Also worthy of note,... this wasn't long after similar intentional vulnerabilities baked into MS products caused the loss of tens of billions of dollars worldwide in lost/corrupted data and blackmail schemes. |
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The only way this would be slightly plausible is if the safe had a spin dial lock as I bet most of those keep the combination they were shipped with especially if they were the original owners. How risky would it be for every liberty safe with an electronic lock to have a “back door” code that would access to said safe. That could be some highly valuable information for some hacker groups to get their hands on. |
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Quoted: My question is how? Either the guy I purchased my safe from lied to me, or is a damn good dealer. When he delivered my safe he told me there was no combo set and we came up with a series of numbers and that’s what opens my safe. Not liberty. They come with a combo, and it's attached by sticker to the manual. If there's a way to change it without hiring expert help IDK how. |
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Quoted: This is the part that bothers me. I understand subpoenas, but this appears to be just a phone call as quoted from the article. Quoted: Quoted: "...flipped his house upside down in a search. The feds called the manufacturer of his Liberty Gun Safe and got the passcode to get into it too. "  . It doesn't look good for liberty safes regardless but I'm going to need a few more sources/explanation. Also don't you think the feds could open a safe without the combo?
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Quoted: A construction gas powered abrasive wheel saw will get into any liberty safe in a few minutes . It doesn't even take that. Regular battery powered stuff would do it. And that's if you don't know what you are doing. A knowledgeable safe tech would be in it faster than LE would hear an initial response regarding the warrant/subpoena stuff with Liberty, and do so carefully enough that the thing could be restored to use without too much more work. |
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Quoted: AT&T’s chairman is a former Obama cabinet member and he’s on the BOD of Dominion’s parent company too Staple street Capital… Quoted: Quoted: IIRC the phone companies were falling over themselves to hand over any data to the feds AT&T’s chairman is a former Obama cabinet member and he’s on the BOD of Dominion’s parent company too Staple street Capital… He was seated in 2021. AT&T (and others) were providing data long before he assumed his position. |
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Quoted: This is the part that bothers me. I understand subpoenas, but this appears to be just a phone call as quoted from the article. Quoted: Quoted: "...flipped his house upside down in a search. The feds called the manufacturer of his Liberty Gun Safe and got the passcode to get into it too. " If they were in his house they had a warrant. If they got a warrant they had enough to get a subpoena. Is there a chance that the guy really doesn't know? |
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Quoted: They have time for this but not the 22,000 classified emails on Hillary's server or Hunter's laptop scandals. There is no honor in working for federal law enforcement. |
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Quoted: This is the part that bothers me. I understand subpoenas, but this appears to be just a phone call as quoted from the article. Quoted: Quoted: "...flipped his house upside down in a search. The feds called the manufacturer of his Liberty Gun Safe and got the passcode to get into it too. " Liberty is probably afraid of losing those sweet gubbment contracts if they don't comply. |
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Quoted: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/0c96c781a5e6260d0827848aec47d205-381.gif Very Liberty and Safe of them! |
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Quoted: The only people exempt from a subpoena is the DoJ. "Oh look, a Congressional subpoena. Don't even put it in the recycle bin. Trash it." not even close. Congressional subpoenas are printed from a fax machine and go straight into the shredder. no one even sees it |
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Quoted: There's no comparison there. The feds didn't ask Liberty to break into the safe. They would have had a warrant for information they may have had - the combination of the safe when it was shipped. In the case of Apple, Apple doesn't have your passcode. The feds can present a warrant for it, but Apple doesn't have it. The feds could then demand that Apple break into the phone with brute force or a backdoor, or whatever. And I think most of those demands would fail to pass muster in courts. And, it doesn't even matter, because LE can be inside a Liberty safe in five minutes. "Oh, no, Bob! A Liberty safe! What are we going to do?" Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Basically any company will do that when required via legal means. This isn't even slightly implausible. Even Apple refused to unlock a phone. There's no comparison there. The feds didn't ask Liberty to break into the safe. They would have had a warrant for information they may have had - the combination of the safe when it was shipped. In the case of Apple, Apple doesn't have your passcode. The feds can present a warrant for it, but Apple doesn't have it. The feds could then demand that Apple break into the phone with brute force or a backdoor, or whatever. And I think most of those demands would fail to pass muster in courts. And, it doesn't even matter, because LE can be inside a Liberty safe in five minutes. "Oh, no, Bob! A Liberty safe! What are we going to do?" Stick a grenade to the keypad or dial then pull the pin….. 
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A proper safe.  FBI vs Un-Defuseable Bomb | Tales From the Bottle |
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Quoted: 12345? That's the same combination as my luggage! Attached File 
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Liberty Safe (@libertysafeinc) September 6, 2023 Attached File |
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Universal code unlocks them all. lol 667 5309 A funny but true story I was on a jobsite and we had this massive portable generator brought in. This thing was the size of a 18 wheeler trailer. Well the electricians hooked it up but it needed a code to begin working. They couldn’t find anyone on the phone who knew the code so somebody said try 6675309. Sure as hell that was it. |
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Quoted: Universal code unlocks them all. lol 667 5309 A funny but true story I was on a jobsite and we had this massive portable generator brought in. This thing was the size of a 18 wheeler trailer. Well the electricians hooked it up but it needed a code to begin working. They couldn't find anyone on the phone who knew the code so somebody said try 6675309. Sure as hell that was it. 
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Quoted: Universal code unlocks them all. lol 667 5309 A funny but true story I was on a jobsite and we had this massive portable generator brought in. This thing was the size of a 18 wheeler trailer. Well the electricians hooked it up but it needed a code to begin working. They couldn’t find anyone on the phone who knew the code so somebody said try 6675309. Sure as hell that was it. Do ya mean 8675309 like the song? |
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Quoted: Liberty Safe (@libertysafeinc) September 6, 2023 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/461570/LibertyMyAss_png-2944438.JPG Why didn't Liberty ask what it was about and when learning that it was a FBI witch hunt on a J-6 protester tell the FBI to eat shit? That would have been the right thing to do but they didn't do it, did they? They just did what the Banana Republic thugs requested they do. Shame on them! |
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Quoted: The only way this would be slightly plausible is if the safe had a spin dial lock as I bet most of those keep the combination they were shipped with especially if they were the original owners. How risky would it be for every liberty safe with an electronic lock to have a “back door” code that would access to said safe. That could be some highly valuable information for some hacker groups to get their hands on. They do, according to the manual mine came with. |
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Quoted: Even Apple refused to unlock a phone. Appel said they can’t, as they don’t have the codes. Nobody does Liberty has only two choices: Don’t have secret backup codes for safe entry, and protect users security at the cost of not being able to help when legitimately locked out Have secret backup codes and share them with LEO when ordered by a court. |
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Quoted: Can you believe those traitors at Liberty gave up their customers over J6? That's an outrage! Site Staff https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/132893/dd0_png-2943251.JPG Yep, define irony. |
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Quoted: 1st, 2nd and 4th amendments are so far removed from our “rights” now, there are no paths that restore them at this point. None. They had a search warrant. Unknown if it mentioned safes or locked containers, but most boilerplate SW language does. How does a warrant, based upon probable cause, signed by a judge violate the 1st, 2nd, and 4th amendments? |
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Quoted: Appel said they can't, as they don't have the codes. Nobody does Liberty has only two choices: Don't have secret backup codes for safe entry, and protect users security at the cost of not being able to help when legitimately locked out Have secret backup codes and share them with LEO when ordered by a court. |
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Quoted: Not the same at all. The FBI was demanding apple to assist in breaking into an iphone, they didn't have codes for, NOT simply unlocking it. They were essentially asking apple to degrade security on ALL iPhones in the future, and using this as politically charged excuse to force it. The FBI had physical access to the phone and could get the data anytime they wanted. Apple was aware and thus rightly surmised their actual goal was forcing Apple to bake in degraded security. Also worthy of note,... this wasn't long after similar intentional vulnerabilities baked into MS products caused the loss of tens of billions of dollars worldwide in lost/corrupted data and blackmail schemes. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Basically any company will do that when required via legal means. This isn't even slightly implausible. Even Apple refused to unlock a phone. Not the same at all. The FBI was demanding apple to assist in breaking into an iphone, they didn't have codes for, NOT simply unlocking it. They were essentially asking apple to degrade security on ALL iPhones in the future, and using this as politically charged excuse to force it. The FBI had physical access to the phone and could get the data anytime they wanted. Apple was aware and thus rightly surmised their actual goal was forcing Apple to bake in degraded security. Also worthy of note,... this wasn't long after similar intentional vulnerabilities baked into MS products caused the loss of tens of billions of dollars worldwide in lost/corrupted data and blackmail schemes. The only reason it is different is that liberty safe didn't have to be told to degrade their security. |
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Quoted: When you buy a safe does it have the combo in the owners manual? If so the company has that info to cross refference with the name & serial #. Of course if you paid cash and didn't fill out the warranty card or bought 2nd hand it reduces the chance of a friendly hand over. I changed my combo the very next day ( as soon as I could get a guy out there) So no they don't have my current combo just the one that was listed in the manual. You act like you're going to stop them from getting into your safe lol. They'll either get the combo or they'll call someone to destroy it getting inside. Safes are to keep people out for a short time, if you want something to be not found then you better hide it underground or someplace amazing. Do you think Liberty is going to go to court and fight the feds only to lose? They're a business, and losing money in a case that will be lost in minutes would be idiotic. All that said the feds are D-bags that are selling out their country for a pay check. |