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"You see, son, what had happened was that eleventy billion years ago 2 magical asteroids appeared out of thin air and then collided and that's how we got elephants and zebras! And that's a fact, because some scientists told me so. Don't believe any of that unproven hokey sounding stuff in the Bible." ![]() View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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“We don’t know everything about the universe, therefore everything in my particular holy book is the literal truth!” ![]() (I generally only comment on religion when the "lol" is used.) |
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So, creation out of nothing by an omnipotent being is somehow more plausible? And then you laugh? Where did God come from then? (I generally only comment on religion when the "lol" is used.) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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“We don’t know everything about the universe, therefore everything in my particular holy book is the literal truth!” ![]() (I generally only comment on religion when the "lol" is used.) |
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So, creation out of nothing by an omnipotent being is somehow more plausible? And then you laugh? Where did God come from then? (I generally only comment on religion when the "lol" is used.) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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“We don’t know everything about the universe, therefore everything in my particular holy book is the literal truth!” ![]() (I generally only comment on religion when the "lol" is used.) You can lie to yourself and say you're right just because I can't answer your question to your satisfaction, but you can't even begin to answer my question either. Even elementary school students know the laws of nature do not permit something to be created from nothing. Matter can only be transformed, and inanimate matter cannot be transformed into living organisms. Yet college educated atheists claim intellectual superiority over "brainwashed idiot" Christians because they paid thousands of dollars for some super smart guy in a labcoat to teach them that everything just magically appeared and evolved from...well, who the fuck knows. ![]() |
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The design has been evaluated by naval architects numerous times, it's basically a barge with no propulsion and with a cg that keeps it from capsizing. It only had to last a few weeks, really -- it wasn't built to be a seagoing vessel to last twenty years. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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A cubit could've been 17.5" to 20.6" depending on what your culture was. The Ark could feasibly be 250-300k sq feet under roof. ![]() |
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Quoted: ITT we learn that big wooden boats can't float, but entire continents can! ![]() https://www.yahchanan.com/pix/Noah.gif View Quote They're attached to the earth's crust |
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Why wouldn't it be more plausible? The laws of the universe clearly define a trend towards disorder and entropy, but there is order and structure that stands in contradiction to that trend, doesn't that indicate someone/thing acting against the natural order? If you are walking in the woods and see three rocks stacked on top of each other, what does that tell you? What if you found a Rolex watch? There is too much complexity, an unimaginable amount really, in everything surrounding the human existence for it to all happen by random chance. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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“We don’t know everything about the universe, therefore everything in my particular holy book is the literal truth!” ![]() (I generally only comment on religion when the "lol" is used.) Also, if the trend is is towards disorder, isn't random order in contradiction to that trend also disorder? |
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The Ark didn’t need to navigate.
It was just a place to hang out until the flood waters receded. Noah got credit for building the boat. But who was the hero who traveled across the Earth, capturing pairs of Jaguars and Gorillas and Hippos and Tigers? That guy deserves a little credit. |
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A canine is a "kind" of animal, but there are many species under that, all presumed to have descended from a common ancestor. To include all of that genetic information, you just need a pair of the original ancestor. You don't need a pair of every species of wolf, coyote, dingo, and dog that exists now, speciation occurs over time and you end up with that. Same for cats, same for cattle, etc. View Quote |
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The Ark didn’t need to navigate. It was just a place to hang out until the flood waters receded. Noah got credit for building the boat. But who was the hero who traveled across the Earth, capturing pairs of Jaguars and Gorillas and Hippos and Tigers? That guy deserves a little credit. View Quote |
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Quoted: Where did the 2 asteroids or explosive gases or amoebas or whatever you believe in come from? Since science says matter cannot be created nor destroyed. Oh, but wait, science also says asteroids and gases and amoebas somehow created themselves from nothing. Talk about implausible. You can lie to yourself and say you're right just because I can't answer your question to your satisfaction, but you can't even begin to answer my question either. Even elementary school students know the laws of nature do not permit something to be created from nothing. Matter can only be transformed, and inanimate matter cannot be transformed into living organisms. Yet college educated atheists claim intellectual superiority over "brainwashed idiot" Christians because they paid thousands of dollars for some super smart guy in a labcoat to teach them that everything just magically appeared and evolved from...well, who the fuck knows. ![]() View Quote Second, nobody ever claimed anything was created out of nothing, except you, and the rest of the creationists. The goal of science is to find out exactly what everything was created from, and there are some pretty good ideas about that. But clearly, you wouldn't be interested. |
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So Noah's ark was in excess of 500 feet long. HMS Victory, which was about the limit of 18th century naval architecture, was 227 feet long. Ships didn't get much larger until wood was replaced with steel because wooden structures have natural limitations before the thing twists itself to pieces through hogging and sagging, etc. So how did a Bronze Age civilization solve naval architecture problems that even 18th century navies could not? How did a ship with no means of propulsion not capsize from wave movement since it could not point its bow into the waves? ![]() View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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A cubit could've been 17.5" to 20.6" depending on what your culture was. The Ark could feasibly be 250-300k sq feet under roof. ![]() |
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What cubit did he use?
We have no idea what the correct one is. |
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you're missing the central equation in a biblical story View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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A cubit could've been 17.5" to 20.6" depending on what your culture was. The Ark could feasibly be 250-300k sq feet under roof. ![]() Just being devils advocate here. I think the Noah story is a morality lesson not a history lesson. Besides why flood the earth when you could just give all the assholes you don't like a massive heart attach just by thinking about it... |
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This is an example of why theists and anti-theists are often considered to be equally annoying.
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But who was the hero who traveled across the Earth, capturing pairs of Jaguars and Gorillas and Hippos and Tigers? That guy deserves a little credit. View Quote |
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First part yes. Second part no.
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Quoted: Maybe the world was smaller then and all of the species had not been discovered? View Quote ![]() Of the "unclean" animals only 2 were aboard the ark. Of the "clean" animals there was more than 2 of the them per species (research yourself if you care to?) |
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Maybe the world was smaller then and all of the species had not been discovered? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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What's a cubit? ![]() View Quote Transcript God: (standing on a chair behind Noah, he rings a bell once) NOAH. Noah: (Looks up) Is someone calling me? (Shrugs and goes back to his work) God: (Ding) NOAH!! Noah: Who is that? God: It's the Lord, Noah. Noah: Right ... Where are ya? What do ya want? I've been good. God: I want you to build an ark. Noah: Right ... What's an ark? God: Get some wood and build it 300 cubits by 80 cubits by 40 cubits. Noah: Right ... What's a cubit? God: Well never mind. Don't worry about that right now. After you build the ark, I want you to go out into the world and collect all the animals of the world, two by two, male and female, and put them into the ark. Noah: Right ... Who is this really? What's going on? How come you want me to do all these weird things? God: I'm going to destroy the world. Noah: Right ... Am I on Candid Camera? How are you gonna do it? God: I'm going to make it rain for a thousand days and drown them right out. Noah: Right ... Listen, do this and you'll save water. Let it rain for forty days and forty nights and wait for the sewers to back up. God: Right... Narrator: So Noah began to build the ark. Of course his neighbors were not too happy about it. Can you imagine leaving for the office at 7 AM and seeing an ark? Neighbor: (enters whistling, with brief case) Hey! You over there. Noah: What do you want? Neighbor: What is this thing? Noah: It's an ark. Neighbor: Uh huh, well you want to get it out of my driveway? I've gotta get to work. Hey listen, what's this thing for anyway? Noah: I can't tell you, ha ha ha. Neighbor: Can't you even give me a little hint? Noah: You want a hint? Neighbor: Yes, please. Noah: Well, how long can you tread water? Ha ha ha Neighbor: There's one in every neighborhood. (Shakes head and leaves) Narrator: Well Noah finally got the ark built. Then he had the task of gathering all the animals two by two. Noah: Hey, anybody know how to tell the difference between a male and a female mosquito? (Looking in a box) I told your rabbits before, only two! (He puts box in boat) Whew, finally the last two animals are on board. Let's get this thing closed up before God asks me to do something else. I'm six hundred years old. I am getting too old for this sort of thing. God: Noah! Noah: I knew it. What do you want now? God: You're going to have to take one of those hippos off and get another one. Noah: Why? God: 'Cause you got two males. You need a female. Noah: I'm too tired to bring anything else on board. You change one of them. God: Come on, you know I don't work like that. ... |
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Also the Ark if it even existed didn't have to carry hundreds of monstrously heavy cannons. I would imagine 18th century naval architecture could have made a much bigger ship if it didn't have to have a shit ton of cannons. Not to mention a lot of those canons were carried high up in the superstructure. View Quote ![]() |
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A canine is a "kind" of animal, but there are many species under that, all presumed to have descended from a common ancestor. To include all of that genetic information, you just need a pair of the original ancestor. You don't need a pair of every species of wolf, coyote, dingo, and dog that exists now, speciation occurs over time and you end up with that. Same for cats, same for cattle, etc. View Quote Quoted:
Where does "kind" fit into the taxonomic hierarchy? View Quote ![]() |
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