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Posted: 1/2/2021 10:37:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThis was going to be my suggestion also. |
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Posted: 1/2/2021 10:38:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That would do zero good. The flatbed floor would be the same height of the normal bed floor. Find out what fifth wheel you want and see if a short box fits on it. The box is the part that fits on the camper and hooks to your truck. Then you need to see if that leaves enough space between the camper and the upper bedrails. If not,,you gotta raise the camper. You will probably not like a raised fiver. Edit: my stock 4x4 dually is pretty high. Tailgate is above my waist when down. I tow a 35 ft fiver and a 40 ft. The floor height won't be the issue, the top sides of the bed hitting the trailer will. |
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Posted: 1/2/2021 10:38:38 PM EDT
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It must be a very mild lift to have a 64" rail height with 37" tires. My stock F-350 is right at 60" to the tailgate/rails on stock tires.
Depending on the spring rating the truck might squat 6" under the pin weight of a big fifth wheel. Go to a dealer and test-load a rig similar to what you would like to tow. |
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Posted: 1/2/2021 10:41:28 PM EDT
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Rogueboss gotcha covered bro
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/F150-owners-in-a-nutshell-Summed-up-great/5-2409077/  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/2/2021 10:41:32 PM EDT
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Bought that way, paid for...
People can't read I guess. I'd go to somewhere that sells 5th wheel trailers to see how far off you are. Putting 37's on a 4th gen doesn't take much even with leafs. The newer coil sprung (2500) trucks are a good couple inches taller than their older counterparts. |
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Posted: 1/2/2021 10:41:57 PM EDT
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Do NOT consult wives on automotive, asthetic, nor mechanical questions.
Perform your duties as a husband, and you will avoid the unnecessary nuisance of female opinion. Keep your lifted Bro Dozer for Brodozer things, and obtain an inexepensive one ton dually with proper gearing and fifth wheel for towing heavy things. |
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Posted: 1/2/2021 10:43:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It must be a very mild lift to have a 64" rail height with 37" tires. My stock F-350 is right at 60" to the tailgate/rails on stock tires. I thought the same thing. It may not even be lifted, just a front leveling kit and bigger tires. |
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Posted: 1/2/2021 10:44:18 PM EDT
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Don't buy a fifth wheel is the easiest solution.
Get a drop hitch and a normal camper. |
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Posted: 1/2/2021 10:45:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rogueboss gotcha covered bro https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/F150-owners-in-a-nutshell-Summed-up-great/5-2409077/ https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/241310/BBA74496-35C0-4D29-B7B5-06744C24702C_jpe-1761154.JPG Oof, beat on page 1 |
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Posted: 1/2/2021 10:50:04 PM EDT
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Turn one of those truck bed trailers into a 5th wheel dolly.
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Posted: 1/2/2021 10:54:34 PM EDT
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Trade it in on one that hasn't been gayed out?
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Posted: 1/2/2021 11:10:36 PM EDT
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Do you have the details on what was done to your truck?
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Posted: 1/3/2021 12:10:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bought that way, paid for... People can't read I guess. I'd go to somewhere that sells 5th wheel trailers to see how far off you are. Putting 37's on a 4th gen doesn't take much even with leafs. The newer coil sprung (2500) trucks are a good couple inches taller than their older counterparts.  It's not like OP bought his truck, took it home, turned to page 87 of his manual, and found out he bought a brodozer. He saw the truck as it's configured and decided he wanted that one. This is America, and he is free to do so, but... DRW pickup trucks have one job. Lifts, low profile tires, Chinesium gravity cast wheels, AT tires with aggressive tread, and all the other items found on brodozers make DRW trucks worse at that job. Now OP wants his truck to actually do the job it was born to do. Those proposing that OP reconfigure his truck to do that job are making a valid suggestion. Those proposing that OP sell his truck at a time when used truck values are at an all time high and then buying a new truck are also making a valid suggestion. The suggestion that OP should lift a damn travel trailer is dumb as hell. There might be some other, more obscure options out there, but if OP's tow rig was still configured as a tow rig instead of a fashion statement/status symbol, he wouldn't be in this quandary. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 1:39:03 AM EDT
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Just get a trailer that hooks up to the Class IV (or V) hitch below the bumper?
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Posted: 1/3/2021 1:59:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just get a trailer that hooks up to the Class IV (or V) hitch below the bumper? Then why have a dually and deal with the added costs and tire wear? |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 2:14:01 AM EDT
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Pay any level lift to develop a Ram option.
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Posted: 1/3/2021 2:15:43 AM EDT
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Keep it all in the family.
Mild lift and 37x13.50x22's on the 5th wheel trailer. Make sure your route goes under the 11'-8" Bridge. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 2:22:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThe scourge of NC 
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Posted: 1/3/2021 2:27:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Portal axles. Upside down. Lt235/75R15  |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 2:29:17 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/3/2021 2:46:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lift the camper or lower the bed unless you want to consider bumper pull. Lifting the camper as much as would be required to clear your bed is going to raise the center of gravity and give you clearance issues. Normal height fifth wheels are a pain in heavily treed areas. High center of gravity + someone who isn't a trained driver like a CDL truck driver is how you get people killed on the highway. Just get a bumper pull OP, they make some nice ones. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 3:00:26 AM EDT
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OP, big tires and lift kits and towing really don't go together..Basically for every inch of tire diameter you add over stock, you need to drop the gear ratios by at least .10.. so for a tire 5" taller than stock(32"-37") you would want to drop the gear ratio by at least .5 and preferably by at least .7 so if it has 308's you would want a 3.80 ratio.. now, another huge issue is braking, those bigger tires hurt the stock brakes rating..stock the truck maybe rated for 25000K for max trailer, but those oversize tires knock the effective braking down making max tow only 19000 pounds..... same for the lift kit and its softer springs and, the biggest issue with trying to pull a load with a lifted truck..making the tranny live under the load the bigger tires put it under..granted the steeper gears help, but the tranny still has to spin the much greater unsprung weight of the bigger tire/rims... None of this even addresses the greater risk you put everyone on the road in, by trying to trailer with a lifted truck that is no longer built to haul the load you want to haul...Do yourself a favor, put it back stock, or sell it and buy a stock rig made to haul the load you want...Been running/building 44" and bigger rigs since 1984, for myself, been doing all size tire rigs for customers even longer...
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Posted: 1/3/2021 3:03:50 AM EDT
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Quoted: So, I have a 2015 Ram 3500 Dually. Full-on brodozer, bought it that way. Specifics are: Mild lift 37x13.50x22's Right at 64" from the ground to the top of the bed rails. I would like to be able to buy a 5th wheel camper, but I'm pretty sure the truck sits too high. I know I can put a flat bed on it, but my wife is 100% against it. Returning to stock is not really an option, as I don't have the parts and don't wanna spend upwards of 10k to make it "normal". Is there anything I can realistically do that would work? BTW truck is paid for and I don't feel like spending 90k on a new one. 2019 F350 4" BDS lift 37x13.5x18 Toyo MTs (sorry, no brodozer wheels) Having talked with the techs at a few 5er lots, I've been assured there are a number that will work with my truck - I just need to bring it by the lot and let them do some testing fitting to determine exactly which models work ... and which do not. Have you actually stopped by to let them look at, measure and test your truck? 
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Posted: 1/3/2021 3:10:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 2019 F350 4" BDS lift 37x13.5x18 Toyo MTs (sorry, no brodozer wheels) Having talked with the techs at a few 5er lots, I've been assured there are a number that will work with my truck - I just need to bring it by the lot and let them do some testing fitting to determine exactly which models work ... and which do not. Have you actually stopped by to let them look at, measure and test your truck? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/174335/IMG_8193-969802.jpg  Just kidding nice truck. 37 doesn't look that tall there I feel like. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 3:16:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 2019 F350 4" BDS lift 37x13.5x18 Toyo MTs (sorry, no brodozer wheels) Having talked with the techs at a few 5er lots, I've been assured there are a number that will work with my truck - I just need to bring it by the lot and let them do some testing fitting to determine exactly which models work ... and which do not. Have you actually stopped by to let them look at, measure and test your truck? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/174335/IMG_8193-969802.jpg |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 3:28:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 2019 F350 4" BDS lift 37x13.5x18 Toyo MTs (sorry, no brodozer wheels) Having talked with the techs at a few 5er lots, I've been assured there are a number that will work with my truck - I just need to bring it by the lot and let them do some testing fitting to determine exactly which models work ... and which do not. Have you actually stopped by to let them look at, measure and test your truck? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/174335/IMG_8193-969802.jpg Looks like a brodozer |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 3:37:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: nice looking truck besides the rims. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 2019 F350 4" BDS lift 37x13.5x18 Toyo MTs (sorry, no brodozer wheels) Having talked with the techs at a few 5er lots, I've been assured there are a number that will work with my truck - I just need to bring it by the lot and let them do some testing fitting to determine exactly which models work ... and which do not. Have you actually stopped by to let them look at, measure and test your truck? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/174335/IMG_8193-969802.jpg |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 3:40:09 AM EDT
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Quoted: Those look pretty broey to me Just kidding nice truck. 37 doesn't look that tall there I feel like. Quoted: nice looking truck besides the rims. Quoted: Looks like a brodozer Don't care. There's more sidewall than there is wheel height, but it does sit about 6" higher than stock. We have a bumper pull now, but have considered moving to a 5er now that the kids are getting bigger. The tires are Ds, but have a 7k load rating per axle @ 50 psi so plenty of capacity, and I have air bags installed to ensure the rear stays level under load without relying on the softer lift springs. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 4:04:38 AM EDT
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Where is “FM USA”?
Also it’s been a long time since I ever wanted a lifted truck. Wouldn’t do it now a days. They can look good butt man it changes and messes too many thing up. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 5:30:07 AM EDT
[#30]
This has to be a Troll thread....
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Posted: 1/3/2021 6:28:16 AM EDT
[#31]
 On a slightly more serious note, I've visited with this guy while he was towing two trailers behind his jacked-up, stretched-out, 6-door F350. I just don't remember how he handled the extra bed height. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 6:42:53 AM EDT
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Towing with a lifted truck isn’t necessarily all that bad. I have logged probably in excess of 20k miles towing a 13,000 lb trailer behind a truck with a 6” lift and 37’s. This was twenty years ago though before brodozer was even a word. I don’t have anything lifted now.
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Posted: 1/3/2021 6:45:22 AM EDT
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OP disappeared when everyone said his shits all fucked up and his truck is retarded.
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Posted: 1/3/2021 7:55:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then why have a dually and deal with the added costs and tire wear? A dually can pull a 40ft bumper pull just as good as a 40ft 5th wheel. Bit harder to drive but usually the big bumper pulls have nicer floor plans Op you only have 2 real options 1. put it back to stock 2. Flat bed with the hitch dropped all the way on the bed and raised all the way on the pin box. Idk why anyone wouldn't like a flat bed. Get a couple side panels and your back to a regular bed. Granted the cost is prohibitive. Without knowing what lift you have its hard to say how well the truck will handle the pin weight though I would think it to be fine. Really don't know why you bought a brodozer if you wanted to tow a 5th wheel. And don't flip the camper axles that will put you over legal height on most 5th wheels. Most sit at 13'4" with 13'6" being legal limit on most roads and 14' on approved routes. I've took mine into a 13' tunnel by accident and got lucky I didn't rip my ac off. The tunnel was mislabeled and honestly it wasn't posted soon enough for me to even know it was there., On top of it raising the center of gravity, it means your stabilizer jacks have to go down further to touch the ground. The further they go the less stabile it is when set up. Plus it will be more prone to tipping in the wind set up and towing. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 8:06:03 AM EDT
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When did you buy this truck?
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Posted: 1/3/2021 8:08:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lift the camper. The bros on the Cummins forum talk about this all the time. And lift the center of gravity on it? |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 8:10:21 AM EDT
[#37]
My suggestion is to Unlift the truck so it can be functional again.
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Posted: 1/3/2021 8:11:11 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So can only tow 25,000 lbs instead of 30,000* lbs. He'll be ok. *with the 6.7 HO diesel. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I dont think there is a solution to your issue. Raising the trailer will also raise your center of gravity. In addition to bigger wheels/tires having an affect on your gearing which would reduce your towing ability. You ideally want your trailer and truck to be level. So can only tow 25,000 lbs instead of 30,000* lbs. He'll be ok. *with the 6.7 HO diesel. Everybody always thinks it's about pulling, when it's about stopping. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 8:16:24 AM EDT
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Eh...OP said "mild lift" and 37's. It's probably nothing more than a leveling kit and maybe a taller block in the rear.
Ditch that stupid shit and go back to stock... |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 8:20:51 AM EDT
[#40]
May have already been mentioned, but how/where does the 5th wheel hitch mount on a truck?
And how does a bed swap make a difference? |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 8:22:40 AM EDT
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When I was 18 I put a lift kit and 35's on my truck.
My dad said "why are you ruining that truck?", of course I was smarter than him. A few years later, I had to use my truck for work.....I couldn't reach over the edge of the bed, so I was climbing in and out all the time, it was annoying as fuck. Turns out, dad was right. Lift kits and big tires are awesome for fun time, for the entire rest of the time though, it just makes things more annoying. I still want a lifted truck again, but only for fun time. I'll just my stock suspension truck for work. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 8:25:04 AM EDT
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OP -
I have a 2019 F250 Platinum with 4” lift (3” King shocks, deaver leaf springs, and firestone air bags on the rear) with 41” tires which gives me about 7” overall lift. It’s tuned and re-geared to 4.88 and pulls harder than a stock truck. At one point I had a fiberglass bed on it but eventually decided to go with a steel bed. Anyways point being is you’ll need to lift the trailer if you’d try with a 5th wheel. I also suggest looking at a gooseneck camper / toy hauler. They typically don’t sit as close to the bed rails and you get a lot more articulation out of them anyways. Millennium Trailers and Sundowner make a good setup. I just sold my 5ther and have a GN on order from Millennium same model as this: https://inventory.milltrailers.com/now-ready-save-1000-2021-44-millennium-living-quarters-12-sofa-8-large-bath-w-large-corner-shower-tapered-nose-vZWi%7CTT.html  Before the safety police complain about stopping or tires.. it has Wilwood big brakes on it and those are load range F tires. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 8:25:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: May have already been mentioned, but how/where does the 5th wheel hitch mount on a truck? And how does a bed swap make a difference? 5th wheel hitch mounts on the floor of the bed. A bed swap (to a flatbed) eliminates the 2-foot tall bedsides from hitting the camper during any flex between the truck and camper (turning into a gas station, campground, uneven road, etc...) When you lift a truck, the distance between the bedrail and the camper gets closer |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 8:27:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When did you buy this truck? My cousin called me one day. Wanted me to go look at a truck with him. F350, diesel, 37" tires, obnoxious lift kit, loud exhaust, and a tuner. Guy wanted like 18 grand for it. I told him that was a hard pass, no known history of the truck too many mods, save your money and keep driving your car back and forth to work. Nope, insisted he needed a truck. He didn't need a truck or he would have bought something practical. He wanted to try to get laid. Within 8 weeks he was already running into repairs, expensive repairs that he couldn't afford with his job. So the thing sat broken regularly while he saved up to fix it, and had to make payments on it. Still has it, still probably paying on it. Kids are stupid. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 8:57:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 5th wheel hitch mounts on the floor of the bed. A bed swap (to a flatbed) eliminates the 2-foot tall bedsides from hitting the camper during any flex between the truck and camper (turning into a gas station, campground, uneven road, etc...) When you lift a truck, the distance between the bedrail and the camper gets closer https://www.irv2.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=195691&d=1521228066 The hitch mounts to the sheetmetal, and not to the trucks frame? The height of the camper/hitch leg isn't standard to clear the height of a truck bed? The damage shown seems to be the result of an improper setup, isn't it? |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 9:08:08 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't care. There's more sidewall than there is wheel height, but it does sit about 6" higher than stock. We have a bumper pull now, but have considered moving to a 5er now that the kids are getting bigger. The tires are Ds, but have a 7k load rating per axle @ 50 psi so plenty of capacity, and I have air bags installed to ensure the rear stays level under load without relying on the softer lift springs. As the owner of a 2019 f350 SRW that is factory height, and a fifth wheel toy hauler, I can tell you first hand that being 6” higher than factory is gonna be a problem for you finding a fifth wheel that will comfortably clear the bed sides. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 9:13:12 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryYou know, there are much cheaper ways to look like a total retard. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 9:28:15 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Flat bed it or cut the bedsides down to clear the trailer Remove the bedsides and your problem is solved! Or remove lift kit and sell it and install used parts and smaller diameter tires. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 9:33:11 AM EDT
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There is such a thing as a fifth wheel dolly.
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Posted: 1/3/2021 9:37:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Screw what your wife thinks. Put a skirted flatbed on it. This is the first thing that popped into my head. Is it your truck or your wife's? If its yours, do what the hell you feel like to it and solve your camper issue. |
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