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Posted: 5/22/2016 12:15:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought stamps, or copies, were required to be with the gun at all times? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There's a range local to me that will not allow AR pistols with braces etc... It's private property and their rules, so I don't mind. They did give me a hassle twice on my SBR's. Just b/c I didn't bring my stamps with me. They are just trying to protect their behinds I guess, in case an agent comes in and see's something illegal going on, they will wondering why the business owner did not report it etc... I thought stamps, or copies, were required to be with the gun at all times? |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 12:15:22 AM EDT
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Find a different place to spend your money.
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Posted: 5/22/2016 12:20:37 AM EDT
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RO=Dip Shit
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Posted: 5/22/2016 12:30:14 AM EDT
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Hi all, Just needed to share my disappointment with the events of today. I recently purchased a Scorpion EVO and KAK Shockwave Blade. I spent an incredible number of hours researching the ATF ruling about arm braces and their use with pistols. Based on that research I was fairly confident that as long as I didn't shoulder the weapon I wasn't in violation of the law. i.e. - it is absolutely acceptable to use a cheek weld with the KAK Blade. Well today, I took my Scorpion with the Blade on it to a range that recently opened in my area. As soon as I pulled the Scorpion out of my bag a range safety officer approached me and asked if I had the appropriate paperwork for an SBR. I told him I did not and my understanding of the ATF's position was that I didn't need it as long as I didn't shoulder the weapon. He said fine, but he wanted to check with the range master. The range master came over and told me I was in violation of federal law. I repeated my understanding of the ATF ruling but did not argue at all. I immediately put my gun back and my bag and left. I should point out no one was nasty or mean or anything approaching it. They were very professional and respectful the entire time. I'm just disappointed and confused. I have never committed a crime and the last thing I want to do is have my freedom taken from me. I'm going to go ahead and get the paperwork done so I don't have anything to worry about, but this whole mess created by the Feds is so bad. G just tell us what range man, I wanna know |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 12:31:33 AM EDT
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i only brace it off my deltoid, not my "shoulder"
 problem solved... |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 12:32:52 AM EDT
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Hi all, Just needed to share my disappointment with the events of today. I recently purchased a Scorpion EVO and KAK Shockwave Blade. I spent an incredible number of hours researching the ATF ruling about arm braces and their use with pistols. Based on that research I was fairly confident that as long as I didn't shoulder the weapon I wasn't in violation of the law. i.e. - it is absolutely acceptable to use a cheek weld with the KAK Blade. Well today, I took my Scorpion with the Blade on it to a range that recently opened in my area. As soon as I pulled the Scorpion out of my bag a range safety officer approached me and asked if I had the appropriate paperwork for an SBR. I told him I did not and my understanding of the ATF's position was that I didn't need it as long as I didn't shoulder the weapon. He said fine, but he wanted to check with the range master. The range master came over and told me I was in violation of federal law. I repeated my understanding of the ATF ruling but did not argue at all. I immediately put my gun back and my bag and left. I should point out no one was nasty or mean or anything approaching it. They were very professional and respectful the entire time. I'm just disappointed and confused. I have never committed a crime and the last thing I want to do is have my freedom taken from me. I'm going to go ahead and get the paperwork done so I don't have anything to worry about, but this whole mess created by the Feds is so bad. G just tell us what range man, I wanna know |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 12:35:53 AM EDT
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has OP said name of range yet? Until then I don't care. Tell us who OP, I don't want to give them my business
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Posted: 5/22/2016 12:37:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can see by your post count and your join date that today isn't your *first* day on a discussion forum but, your post suggests you don't understand what they are used for. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's funny how the GD is 100% in support of private property owner's rights until it doesn't go along with their agenda. You are no better than the left. WTF are you talking about? No one asked OP to leave. They tried to tell him he was violating a federal law, which he wasn't. Do you support people being able to make up their own federal laws?  do you have a fed badge?... if not, MYOFB.... I can see by your post count and your join date that today isn't your *first* day on a discussion forum but, your post suggests you don't understand what they are used for. a brace?... i know its "intended" use.... i also know how most will use it... and i dont give a fuck either way... because its not my problem or yours... its like saying "you have a car that can go fast then the speed limit... so you cant drive here"... if you job isnt enforcing the speed limit, then MYOFB... |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 12:38:09 AM EDT
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You took a gun that's classified as a pistol and made it look like a shoulder fired weapon and wonder why they had a problem.
Those blades look stupid and are worthless. I have a 10.3" 300BLK set up as a pistol with a Phase 5 tube. When I have a spare 200 I will get a stamp for it along with a real stock. Don't need any misunderstandings over a $50 piece of plastic that looks crappy anyway. |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 12:42:07 AM EDT
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You took a gun that's classified as a pistol and made it look like a shoulder fired weapon and wonder why they had a problem. Those blades look stupid and are worthless. I have a 10.3" 300BLK set up as a pistol with a Phase 5 tube. when I have a spare 200 I will get a stamp for it along with a real stock. Except some states don't allow SBRs and you have to fill out paperwork if crossing state lines with said SBR. Other than those few minor details braces are 100% "stupid and worthless". |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 12:46:28 AM EDT
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New range opened a couple miles away a few months back. In the city, rifle allowed, this was awesome even if it is a 25 yard range. No other place in the city shoots rifle. I go with my MPX and can to check it out. R/O asks to see my paper for my can, I ask why and he says it is the law
Yep, it is now a law to show short, fat mouth breathers NFA paper work. lol, he was not a dick about it but I was annoyed to say the least and don't plan on going back and have steered my friends away from the place. Oh, and he never asked about the SBR So, a can that is clearly store bought seemed to be possibly purchased illegally (that they sell as well so even if he doesn't personally handle the sale should have an idea of how they are regulated up the a$$) to him but my SBR that anyone could create with a hacksaw or by purchasing a stock was not a concern 
Shameless brag photo: <a href="http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/Johnharden810/media/AB40AD6F-AA54-4C98-AA80-78C72D8CA17D.png_zpspocwe134.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q613/Johnharden810/AB40AD6F-AA54-4C98-AA80-78C72D8CA17D.png_zpspocwe134.jpeg</a> 
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Posted: 5/22/2016 1:07:21 AM EDT
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Except some states don't allow SBRs and you have to fill out paperwork if crossing state lines with said SBR. Other than those few minor details braces are 100% "stupid and worthless". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You took a gun that's classified as a pistol and made it look like a shoulder fired weapon and wonder why they had a problem. Those blades look stupid and are worthless. I have a 10.3" 300BLK set up as a pistol with a Phase 5 tube. when I have a spare 200 I will get a stamp for it along with a real stock. Except some states don't allow SBRs and you have to fill out paperwork if crossing state lines with said SBR. Other than those few minor details braces are 100% "stupid and worthless". And a pistol is generally going to be covered w/ a carry permit as a pistol, while a rifle in a vehicle can have other issues. There are good reasons to have a short car gun as a pistol instead of a rifle. |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 1:35:40 AM EDT
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I'm Pro 2a just like everyone else and own dozens of NFA goodies..... At the same time, you do not have a RIGHT to shoot at a private range. It's a business and he can deny someone access if necessary. And like ANY other business, if you do not like their service or rules, you do not have to spend your money there. Is it a hassle that it happened? Absolutely. Should the owner be educated? Sure (though the whole "brace" is a VERY GRAY area I personally would avoid also). But does he HAVE to bend over backwards b/c you said "NO, this suspicious looking firearm is indeed a pistol b/c so and so said so. Don't mind the resemblance to a started short barreled AR15". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's funny how the GD is 100% in support of private property owner's rights until it doesn't go along with their agenda. You are no better than the left. We don't support the 2nd being infringed by unconstitutional laws and then being infringed again by ignorant range owners who misinterpret those laws. The libertarian utopia in your mind doesn't exist; just an FYI. I'm Pro 2a just like everyone else and own dozens of NFA goodies..... At the same time, you do not have a RIGHT to shoot at a private range. It's a business and he can deny someone access if necessary. And like ANY other business, if you do not like their service or rules, you do not have to spend your money there. Is it a hassle that it happened? Absolutely. Should the owner be educated? Sure (though the whole "brace" is a VERY GRAY area I personally would avoid also). But does he HAVE to bend over backwards b/c you said "NO, this suspicious looking firearm is indeed a pistol b/c so and so said so. Don't mind the resemblance to a started short barreled AR15". The brace is NOT a gray area at fucking all! Its ATF approved just like your NFA goodies. If you're going to use that bs argument, then your NFA stuff is also a gray area because it's on a trust, right? And it's on a trust because s lot of POS sheriffs won't sign off on them, right? So your NFA stuff is gray too because you went around the sheriff. And, "so and so", being the ATF, did say they're pistols. OP just didn't have his paperwork. It's no different then if you didn't have your stamps with your NFA stuff when they asked, none at all....If they really thought it was illegal they would have called the cops, don't you think? So yeah, we all need to educate the people that dont know. Otherwise the time when we can't enjoy our hobby any more without jumping through hoops will come sooner then you think. |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 1:49:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At least they didn't ask to put chalk on the brace, then check your shoulder on leaving |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 1:52:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't get the utility of that 'blade' unit. Seems like a pistol tube with a foam sleeve has the same utility without risking being found in violation of a SBR law by being 'shoulderable'. At least the Sig Brace is shaped to fit over one's arm. That thing looks just like stock to me...without being shaped to fit over the arm...and it's adjustable for length of pull. Knowing the ATF's proclivity for making shit up as they go along, (think shoelace), I don't believe I'd want to tempt fate. YMMV. |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 1:55:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They have a right to be morons on their own property.... |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 2:00:02 AM EDT
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i only brace it off my deltoid, not my "shoulder"
problem solved... I just checked with calipers, even my thinnest summer-weight shirts are at least .015" thick. My leather jacket is dozens of times thicker. As long as you don't ever shoot it shirtless, it's not making contact with your shoulder... |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 2:04:55 AM EDT
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It's funny how the GD is 100% in support of private property owner's rights until it doesn't go along with their agenda. You are no better than the left. Consider the issue more carefully and you'll maybe notice that this is a government created situation... |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 3:33:45 AM EDT
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Sorry, I only have one registered lower. Really, I'm very sorry to disappoint you, but it remains connected to another SBR upper. The pistol with the Blade stays in my truck. Again, I profusely apologize for not meeting your expectations. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And braces r for the gheyyy Sorry, I only have one registered lower. Really, I'm very sorry to disappoint you, but it remains connected to another SBR upper. The pistol with the Blade stays in my truck. Again, I profusely apologize for not meeting your expectations. And you can legally keep a loaded pistol in your car. |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 4:26:48 AM EDT
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There's a range local to me that will not allow AR pistols with braces etc... It's private property and their rules, so I don't mind. They did give me a hassle twice on my SBR's. Just b/c I didn't bring my stamps with me. They are just trying to protect their behinds I guess, in case an agent comes in and see's something illegal going on, they will wondering why the business owner did not report it etc... Nonsense. Fucking nonsense. You drove there in your car right ? Did they ask if your car was legally regestered. Did they ask if you were a convicted felon ? Neither the doushe bag range tards nor any officer has any reason what so ever to suspect anything illegal is going on. Period. Therefore no one has probable cause or reasonable suspicion of anything. Fuck them. I used to manage a shop with a range. Had a couple guys that would come on n occasion and shoot their MG's. Not one time did I ever ask to see if they were legal. I am not the MG police. Zero liability from our side..well there is always some..fucking lawyers. you are getting sued no matter what happens. I rented space to the public. Period. Retarted thought process caused by liberal fuckery scarring everyone into a panic. |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 9:06:10 AM EDT
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These threads are always so much fun
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Posted: 5/22/2016 9:09:45 AM EDT
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Ever thought of printing out the ATF rules and having them on hand when you head to the range?? The blade comes with a copy of the ATF letter stating it's ok for use with a pistol from the tech branch. |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 9:12:00 AM EDT
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It's funny how the GD is 100% in support of private property owner's rights until it doesn't go along with their agenda. You are no better than the left. This. Ive been here a few weeks now and see the same pattern..... |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 9:12:13 AM EDT
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That's it... NC is off the retirement list  Don't you come to Florida! 
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Posted: 5/22/2016 9:12:45 AM EDT
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Da fuq? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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At least they didn't ask to put chalk on the brace, then check your shoulder on leaving Da fuq? Lol so what happens if you have chalk on your shirt? They spank you? |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 9:29:41 AM EDT
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You live in WA. We are like 99% forests. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GD thought I was trolling about sig brace nazis. Nope. 
In before elitist with 87 acres to shoot on. MustBeNiceBro Lol. No |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 9:49:42 AM EDT
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Because 1 range Fudd doesn't know the ins and outs of the byzantine mess the ATF has created? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's it... NC is off the retirement list Because 1 range Fudd doesn't know the ins and outs of the byzantine mess the ATF has created? NC sucks, no one should move here. We are all just a bunch of inbred trailer trash with no teeth. Not to mention we have met our relocated northern allotment so we're full anyway. |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 3:32:38 PM EDT
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Join a better range. I drive 60 miles to a good one, even though there are other ranges just a few miles from me. I have to drive 80 miles. |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 4:07:47 PM EDT
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Nonsense. Fucking nonsense. You drove there in your car right ? Did they ask if your car was legally regestered. Did they ask if you were a convicted felon ? Neither the doushe bag range tards nor any officer has any reason what so ever to suspect anything illegal is going on. Period. Therefore no one has probable cause or reasonable suspicion of anything. Fuck them. I used to manage a shop with a range. Had a couple guys that would come on n occasion and shoot their MG's. Not one time did I ever ask to see if they were legal. I am not the MG police. Zero liability from our side..well there is always some..fucking lawyers. you are getting sued no matter what happens. I rented space to the public. Period. Retarted thought process caused by liberal fuckery scarring everyone into a panic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's a range local to me that will not allow AR pistols with braces etc... It's private property and their rules, so I don't mind. They did give me a hassle twice on my SBR's. Just b/c I didn't bring my stamps with me. They are just trying to protect their behinds I guess, in case an agent comes in and see's something illegal going on, they will wondering why the business owner did not report it etc... Nonsense. Fucking nonsense. You drove there in your car right ? Did they ask if your car was legally regestered. Did they ask if you were a convicted felon ? Neither the doushe bag range tards nor any officer has any reason what so ever to suspect anything illegal is going on. Period. Therefore no one has probable cause or reasonable suspicion of anything. Fuck them. I used to manage a shop with a range. Had a couple guys that would come on n occasion and shoot their MG's. Not one time did I ever ask to see if they were legal. I am not the MG police. Zero liability from our side..well there is always some..fucking lawyers. you are getting sued no matter what happens. I rented space to the public. Period. Retarted thought process caused by liberal fuckery scarring everyone into a panic. NONE of the ranges near me allow machine guns btw.... And does it matter if I legally own a machine gun? NO b/c it's their private business, and I'm paying to use a lane while following their rules. Honesly, owning machine guns are fun, but I rarely shoot it b/c there's no where near by that will let me, and also I don't have the luxury of owning acres of land. |
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