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Posted: 4/13/2024 11:41:45 PM EST
[#1]
 Some people make it complicated |
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Posted: 4/13/2024 11:45:24 PM EST
[#2]
I liked his "wut?" comment about the occular tracking comment (and agree).
 Talk about overcomplicating shit. |
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Posted: 4/13/2024 11:47:33 PM EST
[#3]
His business strategy seems to be “ baffle them with bullshit”. Guy makes everything sound exponentially more complicated than it has to be.
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Posted: 4/13/2024 11:49:15 PM EST
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: His business strategy seems to be “ baffle them with bullshit”. Guy makes everything sound exponentially more complicated than it has to be. Brah? Do you even lift? |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 12:33:35 AM EST
[#5]
Where's that meme about guntuber BS?
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Posted: 4/14/2024 12:40:55 AM EST
[#6]
At some point I wish all these guys would shoot in some big matches so we can really see which “systems” prevail.
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Posted: 4/14/2024 12:50:39 AM EST
[#7]
But can he chug?
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Posted: 4/14/2024 12:53:23 AM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At some point I wish all these guys would shoot in some big matches so we can really see which "systems" prevail. He might be an ass, but he is a skilled ass who can convey information in a simple to understand manner. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 12:58:14 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But can he chug? Hell, I can't. It's a straight up 30 minutes for me, no matter how I try to cut it. Is this because I don't have 3 ocular scientists on staff? I used to have a bona fide statistician on staff. Used to. Thank God. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 1:02:51 AM EST
[#10]
Way to stay politically correct Ben. We know exactly what you mean by "disagree". As always, keep up the good work Ben.
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Posted: 4/14/2024 6:30:55 AM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But can he chug? This is the most important question. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 6:34:22 AM EST
[#12]
What is an occular scientist?...
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Posted: 4/14/2024 6:36:18 AM EST
[#13]
I lost all respect for the man when he came out with his Banana speech video.
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Posted: 4/14/2024 6:42:07 AM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I lost all respect for the man when he came out with his Banana speech video. I’m still waiting on his 96 hours to finish Edit: it has actually been more than 96 days since he made the claim |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 7:10:42 AM EST
[#15]
There was a video of a zoom call during SHOT where Ben straight up laughed at him about it. Travis went on to explain how he’s so knowledgeable because he was married to a doctor. Ben said something about not knowing knowledge was sexually transmitted. The confused look on Haley’s face was priceless. Good for a laugh.
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Posted: 4/14/2024 7:10:48 AM EST
[#16]
Ben all day.
"3 occular scientists on staff" lmfao.....is this a fucking joke? |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 7:17:01 AM EST
[#17]
Travis gets major creds for serving and killing lots of dudes and shit.
But man he loves himself. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 7:21:30 AM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I lost all respect for the man when he came out with his Banana speech video. I missed this. What was the banana speech? |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 8:27:06 AM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m still waiting on his 96 hours to finish Edit: it has actually been more than 96 days since he made the claim Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I lost all respect for the man when he came out with his Banana speech video. I’m still waiting on his 96 hours to finish Edit: it has actually been more than 96 days since he made the claim What are guys talking about? |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 8:29:36 AM EST
[#20]
Is Mac the head of his staff?
 Always Sunny: Ocular Pat Downs (ALL) |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 8:30:58 AM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What are guys talking about? |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 8:35:04 AM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: His business strategy seems to be “ baffle them with bullshit”. Guy makes everything sound exponentially more complicated than it has to be. Jerry Miculek is like “What the hell is this metro sexual talking about? Aye-oh!” |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 8:40:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He claimed intel on doomer thing going down in 96 hours. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What are guys talking about? Oh yeah, I forgot about that one, something to do with Israel and Hamas after the Oct. 7 attacks iirc. Still unclear about what the banana speech is and why it’s bad though 
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Posted: 4/14/2024 9:08:10 AM EST
[#24]
Not cool to throw shade on Garand Thumb’s dad
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Posted: 4/14/2024 9:16:59 AM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There was a video of a zoom call during SHOT where Ben straight up laughed at him about it. Travis went on to explain how he's so knowledgeable because he was married to a doctor. Ben said something about not knowing knowledge was sexually transmitted. The confused look on Haley's face was priceless. Good for a laugh. Is Ben the first guy to call him out on his bullshit? I have no doubt Hailey is a physical stud and a phenomenal gunfighter but he seems to talk like he thinks he's way smarter than he actually is. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 9:26:19 AM EST
[#26]
Check out the recent interview he did with John Lovell (warrior poet society) on youtube. Haley has went deep down the performance training rabbit hole. His view is that gunfights are the most complicated event he's ever been a part of. I don't know how much value that has as a regular guy on the streets, but it was a better articulation of where he's coming from than I've seen him give before.
Personally, I think there is value in having schools with differing approaches. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 9:31:07 AM EST
[#27]
I’ve taken a few of his classes. I learned a lot and improved quite a bit. He was helpful and seemed to care. I was the least experienced in our training classes and he spent extra time with me to make sure I learned and understood.
Seems like this community just likes to tear people down and eat its own. It’s really disappointing. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 9:34:31 AM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve taken a few of his classes. I learned a lot and improved quite a bit. He was helpful and seemed to care. I was the least experienced in our training classes and he spent extra time with me to make sure I learned and understood. Seems like this community just likes to tear people down and eat its own. It’s really disappointing. I would train with him for sure. Agree with your last point 100%. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 9:36:26 AM EST
[#29]
I think most of these famous/popular/celebrity type trainers just make shit up to differentiate themselves.
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Posted: 4/14/2024 9:40:42 AM EST
[#30]
Sounds like he’s doing research to make adjustments to his training and gear so it’s more usable.
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Posted: 4/14/2024 9:41:07 AM EST
[#31]
Ben might be right about Haley over complicating training but Ben is such a douche canoe that I can’t watch or listen to him.
Plus competition shooting is slightly gay 
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Posted: 4/14/2024 9:41:40 AM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've taken a few of his classes. I learned a lot and improved quite a bit. He was helpful and seemed to care. I was the least experienced in our training classes and he spent extra time with me to make sure I learned and understood. Seems like this community just likes to tear people down and eat its own. It's really disappointing. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 9:41:54 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think most of these famous/popular/celebrity type trainers just make shit up to differentiate themselves. Exactly. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 9:42:49 AM EST
[#34]
I think there’s more to what Travis is looking at than the task of just shooting.
As he said in the interview shooting is the easy part. It’s the decision making, how mental/physical stress are introduced and its effects on the body/brain. It’s just like Olympic training centers monitoring and adjusting training routines based on based on the effects of the body and mind. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 9:44:52 AM EST
[#35]
Lucas' comment was lol worthy (even though he probably shouldn't have inserted himself into the conversation).
 Attached FileOriginal @BenStoeger IG post: https://www.instagram.com/p/C5odIN1PNzZ/ |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 9:45:32 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In any case, Stoeger is an actual world champion. He might be an ass, but he is a skilled ass who can convey information in a simple to understand manner. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: At some point I wish all these guys would shoot in some big matches so we can really see which "systems" prevail. He might be an ass, but he is a skilled ass who can convey information in a simple to understand manner. How many gunfights has he survived? Has he ever served to see if his methods are effective on a two way range? |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 9:49:57 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think there’s more to what Travis is looking at than the task of just shooting. As he said in the interview shooting is the easy part. It’s the decision making, how mental/physical stress are introduced and its effects on the body/brain. It’s just like Olympic training centers monitoring and adjusting training routines based on based on the effects of the body and mind. There really isn’t more to it. And the OTC doesn’t do that |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 9:51:09 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lucas' comment was lol worthy (even though he probably shouldn't have inserted himself into the conversation). https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/309598/Screenshot_2024-04-14_104340_png-3187645.JPG Travis is paying it, not Lucas or any of us, so what does it matter? Not only that, if he learns anything of usefulness, someone will copy it soon and it’ll be disseminated pretty fast. But someone’s got to do the research. Teaching isn’t just telling people things you’ve picked up over the years. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 9:53:33 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: His business strategy seems to be “ baffle them with bullshit”. Guy makes everything sound exponentially more complicated than it has to be. Hard to believe he was going to teach for Pincus at one point........just shows that the dragonfly is a padawan in science BS compared to the Penis. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 9:54:07 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There really isn’t more to it. And the OTC doesn’t do that Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think there’s more to what Travis is looking at than the task of just shooting. As he said in the interview shooting is the easy part. It’s the decision making, how mental/physical stress are introduced and its effects on the body/brain. It’s just like Olympic training centers monitoring and adjusting training routines based on based on the effects of the body and mind. There really isn’t more to it. And the OTC doesn’t do that Collecting data and analyzing it is something he is doing. The data he is collecting is to adjust training and gear. Not that the training course is teaching that specific stuff except for maybe a small explanation of what is happening to you in a high stress situation. Edit when I was stationed at FT Carson. We worked with Olympic trainers on weight lifting and running. They opening talked about collecting data to facilitate better training. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 9:55:19 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How many gunfights has he survived? Has he ever served to see if his methods are effective on a two way range? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: At some point I wish all these guys would shoot in some big matches so we can really see which "systems" prevail. He might be an ass, but he is a skilled ass who can convey information in a simple to understand manner. How many gunfights has he survived? Has he ever served to see if his methods are effective on a two way range? Considering Ben teaches the organization with the most combat experience in the world… I would say he knows what they need to know regarding getting hits on target fast |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 9:56:04 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve taken a few of his classes. I learned a lot and improved quite a bit. He was helpful and seemed to care. I was the least experienced in our training classes and he spent extra time with me to make sure I learned and understood. Seems like this community just likes to tear people down and eat its own. It’s really disappointing. Travis has more than earned the flak people give him. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 9:56:30 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How many gunfights has he survived? Has he ever served to see if his methods are effective on a two way range? If the number of gunfights under your belt was a metric for determining your skill as a shooter, I'd happily accept training from a large number of instructors that far beneath that bar. I like TH, I think he is a fine American and I would attend one of his classes but how many CQB pistol fights has he been in? A great deal of his fame is from the "turkey shoot", in which the nickname alone should tell you a great deal about what the professional community thought of it. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 10:00:54 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think most of these famous/popular/celebrity type trainers just make shit up to differentiate themselves. They kinda have to. Why spend triple to train with them instead of someone local? Clients need to be able to answer that. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 10:03:05 AM EST
[#45]
Have Travis call me.
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Posted: 4/14/2024 10:03:07 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think there’s more to what Travis is looking at than the task of just shooting. As he said in the interview shooting is the easy part. It’s the decision making, how mental/physical stress are introduced and its effects on the body/brain. It’s just like Olympic training centers monitoring and adjusting training routines based on based on the effects of the body and mind. This. You can run and gun on paper all day, everyday. But mindset/knowledge is still the glue that holds it all together. Edit: physical fitness and mental fitness is also in there. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 10:27:30 AM EST
[#47]
LARP'ers and their instructors really deserve each other.
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Posted: 4/14/2024 10:35:36 AM EST
[#48]
From the YouTube comments
I just finished a 400 hour Haley ocular tracking test and now i can see the speed of bullets. Get rekt nerds!  
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Posted: 4/14/2024 10:36:57 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LARP'ers and their instructors really deserve each other. It is better to be a larper in a garden, than a gardener larping |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 10:37:43 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: From the YouTube comments ?? |
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