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Posted: 4/4/2018 9:01:38 AM EDT
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Wait..it said he was arrested, released and then rearrested again for murder. Something isn't passing the stink test here. What did they learn after the initial arrest? |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 9:02:53 AM EDT
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How did that country go so wrong? https://i.imgur.com/7lID8mf.jpg In my experience, nations that still have kings, queens, lords, etc, are usually shitholes. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 9:04:44 AM EDT
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Criminals are a tool used to control the populous. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 9:07:24 AM EDT
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Midsomer Murders needs a new episode. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 9:11:37 AM EDT
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Good stab I hope that clears up a good stab. Old man aint going to take shit in his own house and I don't blame him. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 9:13:05 AM EDT
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Bloody idiots.
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Posted: 4/4/2018 9:13:41 AM EDT
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yeah, we should totally emulate Europe where you can get arrested for defending yourself and home.
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Posted: 4/4/2018 9:15:27 AM EDT
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So in today's UK, would Jack Ryan be incarcerated for stopping the terrorists?
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Posted: 4/4/2018 9:20:11 AM EDT
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Wait..it said he was arrested, released and then rearrested again for murder. Something isn't passing the stink test here. What did they learn after the initial arrest? |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 9:22:11 AM EDT
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So in today's UK, would Jack Ryan be incarcerated for stopping the terrorists? |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 9:37:11 AM EDT
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This is why castle doctrine laws are so important here.
Harry Brown is needed.  HARRY BROWN - "You failed to maintain your weapon, son" |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 9:54:54 AM EDT
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Midsomer Murders needs a new episode. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 10:01:13 AM EDT
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We were assured that self defense was ok and you would not be arrested
for defending your life. Hmmmm. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 10:15:24 AM EDT
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I hope the subjects are proud of what they've made of their country.
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Posted: 4/4/2018 10:19:56 AM EDT
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Saw in another article that things brings the total number of "murders" in London to 50 this year. Which would mean they're only 10 behind freakin' Baltimore. 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 10:25:13 AM EDT
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How did that country go so wrong? They allowed women to vote. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 10:25:15 AM EDT
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Good stab |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 10:29:51 AM EDT
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Lovely thing about his country, he's guilty of whatever the state says he is unless he can prove he's innocent. Thank God we built our legal system the other way around.
At this point there's not much stopping large groups of invaders from just rushing in and raping and pillaging the queens subjects.....oh wait that's already happening though isn't it...they are doomed if they don't take some real drastic measures. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 10:38:10 AM EDT
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AFAIK an arrest in the UK for any homicide is automatic and isn't necessarily meant to imply suspicion that the person arrested is guilty of any crime.
It's simply a part of the investigatory process. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 10:58:40 AM EDT
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Lovely thing about his country, he's guilty of whatever the state says he is unless he can prove he's innocent. Thank God we built our legal system the other way around. At this point there's not much stopping large groups of invaders from just rushing in and raping and pillaging the queens subjects.....oh wait that's already happening though isn't it...they are doomed if they don't take some real drastic measures. One major difference is that the police can construe a refusal to answer questions as evidence of guilt. No 5th amendment in other words. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:01:07 AM EDT
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I think that statement may be very accurate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Criminals are a tool used to control the populous. 'päpy?l?s/ adjective adjective: populous having a large population; densely populated. synonyms:densely populated, heavily populated, congested, crowded, packed, jammed, crammed, teeming, swarming, seething, crawling; informaljam-packed "a populous island" antonyms:deserted pop·u·lace 'päpy?l?s/ noun noun: populace; plural noun: populaces the people living in a particular country or area. "the party misjudged the mood of the populace" synonyms:population, inhabitants, residents, natives; community, country, (general) public, people, nation; common people, man/woman in the street, masses, multitude, rank and file, commonalty, commonality, plebeians, proletariat; derogatoryhoi polloi, rabble, riffraff, (great) unwashed, (common) herd, proles, plebs; humoroussheeple; formaldenizens; historicalthird estate; informalJoe Public, John Q. Public "when the populace wants to, it can change the course of history" Yes, the statement is accurate regardless of the wrong term used. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:04:36 AM EDT
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Fucking disgrace.
Might be technical arrest as in they are following procedure the CPS might kick it out straight away. So don’t get carried away ( not read thread I bet you have ) Wish we had castle laws 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:14:23 AM EDT
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Wait..it said he was arrested, released and then rearrested again for murder. Something isn't passing the stink test here. What did they learn after the initial arrest? |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:22:42 AM EDT
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This is why castle doctrine laws are so important here. Harry Brown is needed.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9Z0yr49xXwPeople here think that guns would have been our biggest worry with a progressive supreme Court but they would have been in for a very big surprise when we lost our free speech and self defense laws through supreme Court ruling. We'd be living in a country now or very soon where if someone breaks into your house with a bat you would have to run out your back door if possible and if you couldn't and you used anything more deadly than a bat to defend yourself you would go to prison. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 2:08:35 PM EDT
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Wait..it said he was arrested, released and then rearrested again for murder. Something isn't passing the stink test here. What did they learn after the initial arrest? |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 2:11:57 PM EDT
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Disregard
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Posted: 4/4/2018 2:16:00 PM EDT
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Midsomer Murders needs a new episode. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 2:18:03 PM EDT
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The land of pussies and faggots.
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Posted: 4/4/2018 2:23:17 PM EDT
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They need to ban assault knives!!!.......
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Posted: 4/4/2018 5:57:38 PM EDT
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Where is Churchill when he's needed?
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Posted: 4/4/2018 8:45:57 PM EDT
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No insight from @AgentFunky or our other Brits?
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Posted: 4/4/2018 8:48:21 PM EDT
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Fucking disgrace. Might be technical arrest as in they are following procedure the CPS might kick it out straight away. So don’t get carried away ( not read thread I bet you have ) Wish we had castle laws |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 8:51:20 PM EDT
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This is why they are a shitty, second-world shithole and you should never visit there.
Their justice system is shitty. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 9:05:04 PM EDT
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There are multiple people sitting in prison in the UK for having the audacity to defend themself and their homes. Seriously. A friend of mine from the UK told me of a man he knew who was sentenced to seven years for hitting a home invader with a cricket bat. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess they'll be banning screw drivers next. I don't even know what to say, are you suppose to curl up in a ball and die if someone breaks into your house trying to kill you? Are there no self defense laws in England-land? |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 9:12:00 PM EDT
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When the inbred queen wants you disarmed that means screwdrivers too.
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Posted: 4/4/2018 9:21:13 PM EDT
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Totally amazing. A country with such a brutal history of killing across the world just to plant their flag won't even let it's own citizens defend their life. Those fuckers should pack up their shit and move. Again.  For centuries, the Brit ruling class lorded over millions throughout the globe. Now, the Brit ruling class still lords over millions, just on the British isles. The average person in England is still a subject, from the perspective of the ruling class. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 9:22:01 PM EDT
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ETA: woops. Never mind.
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Posted: 4/4/2018 9:28:17 PM EDT
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That's how it works in the UK: 1) You get arrested 2) You get taken to the police station 3) You are advised of your rights 4) You get questioned at the police station 5) After being questioned you are either charged with a crime or released Arrested is not the same as being charged with murder. Same happens in many places here in the States: you are arrested and questioned, and a determination is made: was the homicide justified or not? |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 9:35:14 PM EDT
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Freedom!
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Posted: 4/4/2018 9:44:38 PM EDT
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Fucking disgrace. Might be technical arrest as in they are following procedure the CPS might kick it out straight away. So don’t get carried away ( not read thread I bet you have ) Wish we had castle laws 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:32:34 PM EDT
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OMG he had a knife
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Posted: 4/5/2018 9:10:22 AM EDT
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Poor guy. He liked to shoot clays so hes probably double fucked because he likes guns.
Look at those beady eyes and that ganger lean. A bad seed right there.  There a Twatter support thing or something for him. #freeRichardOsbornBrooks |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 9:50:50 AM EDT
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That's how it works in the UK: 1) You get arrested 2) You get taken to the police station 3) You are advised of your rights 4) You get questioned at the police station 5) After being questioned you are either charged with a crime or released Arrested is not the same as being charged with murder. Same happens in many places here in the States: you are arrested and questioned, and a determination is made: was the homicide justified or not? So,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I hope it is a lot to do about nothing as well. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 9:57:36 AM EDT
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That's how it works in the UK: 1) You get arrested 2) You get taken to the police station 3) You are advised of your rights 4) You get questioned at the police station 5) After being questioned you are either charged with a crime or released Arrested is not the same as being charged with murder. Same happens in many places here in the States: you are arrested and questioned, and a determination is made: was the homicide justified or not? here in the states you are not arrested, questioned, then released. If the police want to question you to determine whether to seek charges, they will detain, question, and then arrest or release. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 10:33:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Weird, a land with no castles has castle law when the ones with them don’t. Some states have now adopted statutes to create a presumption of the threat of deadly force if someone breaks into your home. That is no the Castle Doctrine. It is something else. I don't know if the actual Castle Doctrine is still the law in England. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 10:37:49 AM EDT
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@marknh here in the states you are not arrested, questioned, then released. If the police want to question you to determine whether to seek charges, they will detain, question, and then arrest or release. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's how it works in the UK: 1) You get arrested 2) You get taken to the police station 3) You are advised of your rights 4) You get questioned at the police station 5) After being questioned you are either charged with a crime or released Arrested is not the same as being charged with murder. Same happens in many places here in the States: you are arrested and questioned, and a determination is made: was the homicide justified or not? here in the states you are not arrested, questioned, then released. If the police want to question you to determine whether to seek charges, they will detain, question, and then arrest or release. In the US an officer can arrest you if he has probable cause to believe you committed a crime, for example (and depending on State laws) an officer finds a man shot in someone's yard, the homeowner claims it was self-defense but there is no injuries to the homeowner and the "victim" is unarmed, I suspect in many States the homeowner would be arrested on suspicion of second-degree murder, read his Miranda rights, and questioned. |
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Posted: 4/6/2018 2:58:20 PM EDT
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FYI
No charges are being brought. Cps decided no case to answer. |
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Posted: 4/6/2018 3:12:09 PM EDT
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FYI No charges are being brought. Cps decided no case to answer. |
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Posted: 4/6/2018 4:33:57 PM EDT
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I will try and dig up the article but one of the reasons it is not fair to compare US murders with UK murders is how the data is reported. In the US, if there is a murder, it counts as a murder and goes towards the statistics gathered by various entities. In the UK, if there is a murder, it is only reported if there is also a conviction or if someone is charged for the crime. If it is a crime where no one was charged (could not find the guy who did the killing or dont know who it is) then I dont think it is added to their stats. I read this in a long article written by some kind of lawyer, not sure if it is true or not. Some of our UK people can chime in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://news.sky.com/story/pensioner-held-after-man-stabbed-during-burglary-11316275 A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder after a suspected burglar was stabbed and later died.
Police were called to a house in Hither Green, southeast London, at 12.45am to reports of a break-in in progress. The occupant had found two males inside his home. There were initial reports the homeowner was forced into the kitchen by one of the suspects armed with a screwdriver while the other went upstairs. Police said that, during a struggle, a 38-year-old man found inside the property sustained a stab injury to his upper body. He was discovered collapsed nearby and taken to hospital but died soon after 3.30am. Police initially arrested the 78-year-old on suspicion of grievous bodily harm but they have since rearrested him on suspicion of murder. In the UK, if there is a murder, it is only reported if there is also a conviction or if someone is charged for the crime. If it is a crime where no one was charged (could not find the guy who did the killing or dont know who it is) then I dont think it is added to their stats. I read this in a long article written by some kind of lawyer, not sure if it is true or not. Some of our UK people can chime in. |
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Posted: 4/6/2018 5:13:26 PM EDT
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Yeah UK, Japan, and a couple of other first world countries do it that way. "A common point raised in the debate is the assumption the UK reports homicides only after court findings, and thus does not include unsolved murders, while the US reports homicides before court findings. This assumption is incorrect. Statistical data recorded in the UK in the form of PRC (police recorded crime) includes homicides as reported by the police and also takes into account unsolved homicides. (HFOIV, page 16, paragraph 5 and 6.)" |
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