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Posted: 2/1/2024 10:50:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Once again…. Arfcom cheers gleefully as Russia loses a navy ship to a cheap drone…… not realizing this cats out of the bag and this same shit will result in drone attacks on the U.S military the same as have been happening to Russian military. In the very near future, the families of U.S military personnel can watch high resolution video on the internet, news, YouTube, etc , Live video of their husbands / sons / dads / wives / daughters / mothers , U.S military personnel being blown up , killed, maimed etc on 4k video via drones dropping grenades on their vehicle / trench / office building, small cheap drones sinking entire multi billion dollar U.S. navy and U.S flagged ships in the near future. There won’t be anymore cheap / easy Iraq style battles / victories for the USA in the future, no tank vs tank battles, just endless bloody fights where cheap drones controlled from a mile / 100 miles / 1000 miles by a operator, or controlled totally by AI blow people up while shitting, eating, typing paperwork, dropped into your head, flown thru your window, sneak in and destroy entire fuel depots, ammo dumps, hospitals, factories, etc, and especially when combined with AI, we won’t fare any better against this type shit than the Russians have. Fine... Bring them all home Protect our own borders, shut down the invasion on our southern border. Stop policing the world. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 10:50:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: War evolves, if any country can adapt I'd say we got a better shot than most. Also fuck Russia. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Once again…. Arfcom cheers gleefully as Russia loses a navy ship to a cheap drone…… not realizing this cats out of the bag and this same shit will result in drone attacks on the U.S military the same as have been happening to Russian military. In the very near future, the families of U.S military personnel can watch high resolution video on the internet, news, YouTube, etc , Live video of their husbands / sons / dads / wives / daughters / mothers , U.S military personnel being blown up , killed, maimed etc on 4k video via drones dropping grenades on their vehicle / trench / office building, small cheap drones sinking entire multi billion dollar U.S. navy and U.S flagged ships in the near future. There won’t be anymore cheap / easy Iraq style battles / victories for the USA in the future, no tank vs tank battles, just endless bloody fights where cheap drones controlled from a mile / 100 miles / 1000 miles by a operator, or controlled totally by AI blow people up while shitting, eating, typing paperwork, dropped into your head, flown thru your window, sneak in and destroy entire fuel depots, ammo dumps, hospitals, factories, etc, and especially when combined with AI, we won’t fare any better against this type shit than the Russians have. War evolves, if any country can adapt I'd say we got a better shot than most. Also fuck Russia. We built the things and have been thinking about offense and defense for a while. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 10:52:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Scary to watch that since one day it could be an American ddg on the receiving end. That Russian ship seemed to be unable to defend itself very well. Their fire was very ineffective. Shiiiiiiit... With all of the people who have flooded our southern border, it could be us civilians dodging drones during the middle of the day, night, evening.... |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 10:54:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://ids.si.edu/ids/deliveryService?id=NASM-A19762056000_DSH02&max_w=900 replica of a torpedo/rocket from 1280 ad... Fool! Thine enemies shall now use such devilry against thee! Thou shalt rue the day ye shared such forsaken engraven digitalry! |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 10:54:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: not cheering for Russia but all we ever see is Russian losses.... just saying... You can't sink what doesn't exist. Ukraine doesn't have any big ships. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 10:54:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryThey gangbanged the shit out of it. Wild how the Black Sea might be Ukraine's most effective theater. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 10:56:22 AM EST
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I would think the USN better be investing more $ in laser research.
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Posted: 2/1/2024 10:56:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting that they had their version (AK-630) of the ship based Phalanx, which I believe pre-dates the US version by a few years, but the splashes seem more like guns with a slower rate of fire. I've seen videos of them against small boats so I would think the declination would allow it. https://live.staticflickr.com/8244/28180694164_d38b0ed6a2_b.jpg  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1rlQf6QwScSome of the footage I've seen on the AK-630 lead me to believe they had stability issues when firing and likely rapid maneuvers at speed would exacerbate that. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 10:59:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fine... Bring them all home Protect our own borders, shut down the invasion on our southern border. Stop policing the world. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Once again…. Arfcom cheers gleefully as Russia loses a navy ship to a cheap drone…… not realizing this cats out of the bag and this same shit will result in drone attacks on the U.S military the same as have been happening to Russian military. In the very near future, the families of U.S military personnel can watch high resolution video on the internet, news, YouTube, etc , Live video of their husbands / sons / dads / wives / daughters / mothers , U.S military personnel being blown up , killed, maimed etc on 4k video via drones dropping grenades on their vehicle / trench / office building, small cheap drones sinking entire multi billion dollar U.S. navy and U.S flagged ships in the near future. There won’t be anymore cheap / easy Iraq style battles / victories for the USA in the future, no tank vs tank battles, just endless bloody fights where cheap drones controlled from a mile / 100 miles / 1000 miles by a operator, or controlled totally by AI blow people up while shitting, eating, typing paperwork, dropped into your head, flown thru your window, sneak in and destroy entire fuel depots, ammo dumps, hospitals, factories, etc, and especially when combined with AI, we won’t fare any better against this type shit than the Russians have. Fine... Bring them all home Protect our own borders, shut down the invasion on our southern border. Stop policing the world. It is inevitable but we have a choice to do it on our terms or it will be forced on us. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:01:06 AM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Once again…. Arfcom cheers gleefully as Russia loses a navy ship to a cheap drone…… not realizing this cats out of the bag and this same shit will result in drone attacks on the U.S military the same as have been happening to Russian military. In the very near future, the families of U.S military personnel can watch high resolution video on the internet, news, YouTube, etc , Live video of their husbands / sons / dads / wives / daughters / mothers , U.S military personnel being blown up , killed, maimed etc on 4k video via drones dropping grenades on their vehicle / trench / office building, small cheap drones sinking entire multi billion dollar U.S. navy and U.S flagged ships in the near future. There won’t be anymore cheap / easy Iraq style battles / victories for the USA in the future, no tank vs tank battles, just endless bloody fights where cheap drones controlled from a mile / 100 miles / 1000 miles by a operator, or controlled totally by AI blow people up while shitting, eating, typing paperwork, dropped into your head, flown thru your window, sneak in and destroy entire fuel depots, ammo dumps, hospitals, factories, etc, and especially when combined with AI, we won’t fare any better against this type shit than the Russians have. Whaaat?! Not too long ago on here there was a thread about adding drones to a bug out kit. People were claiming they could make drone jammers out of chewing gum, chicken wire and a 9 volt battery. Can't be that difficult to defeat these things. 
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:03:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You seriously need to stop watching the news. They got you ready for war and nonsense. Oh the drones tanks are useless, boats are useless, just need cheap drones!!! First our ships have much higher fidelity radars and we are more likely to have defense in depth with SSNs, AEW platforms etc that could pick up the attack well before teh targets detect them. With the data linking lots of things would be shooting to defend a vessel. Phalanx and Sea RAM are much better systems than anything Russia has at sea right now. More laser CIWS are getting pushed into the fleet too. The key is our ships operating in a condition ready to defend itself. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:04:25 AM EST
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So how long until those assholes in the middle east get one of our ships this way
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:04:26 AM EST
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Looks like a 16’ jet boat of death.
 Attached FileThe latest versions of the drone seen by CNN weigh up to 1,000 kilograms (2,200 pounds), with an explosive payload of up to 300 kilograms (661 pounds), a range of 800 kilometers (500 miles) and maximum speed of 80 kph (50 mph). |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:04:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We are learning the painful lessons without having to lay down American lives. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Once again…. Arfcom cheers gleefully as Russia loses a navy ship to a cheap drone…… not realizing this cats out of the bag and this same shit will result in drone attacks on the U.S military the same as have been happening to Russian military. In the very near future, the families of U.S military personnel can watch high resolution video on the internet, news, YouTube, etc , Live video of their husbands / sons / dads / wives / daughters / mothers , U.S military personnel being blown up , killed, maimed etc on 4k video via drones dropping grenades on their vehicle / trench / office building, small cheap drones sinking entire multi billion dollar U.S. navy and U.S flagged ships in the near future. There won’t be anymore cheap / easy Iraq style battles / victories for the USA in the future, no tank vs tank battles, just endless bloody fights where cheap drones controlled from a mile / 100 miles / 1000 miles by a operator, or controlled totally by AI blow people up while shitting, eating, typing paperwork, dropped into your head, flown thru your window, sneak in and destroy entire fuel depots, ammo dumps, hospitals, factories, etc, and especially when combined with AI, we won’t fare any better against this type shit than the Russians have. We are learning the painful lessons without having to lay down American lives. It amazes me the people in this thread that would rather we not see or learn about all this modern warfare shit between two countries with no U.S. lives involved. I guess they’d rather have us get punched in the face first and figure it out on the fly instead of Russians/Ukrainians dying. Retard logic. They also think Ukraine “revealed” drone swarms to the world for the first time to china/iran/etc by doing this lol. This has been studied by the U.S., Chinese, and Iranian militaries for the last 10yrs. I also wonder what Chinas landing ships for Taiwan are thinking now? This works both ways. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:10:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think our self protection systems are better, more likely to be functional and turned on. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Once again . Arfcom cheers gleefully as Russia loses a navy ship to a cheap drone not realizing this cats out of the bag and this same shit will result in drone attacks on the U.S military the same as have been happening to Russian military. In the very near future, the families of U.S military personnel can watch high resolution video on the internet, news, YouTube, etc , Live video of their husbands / sons / dads / wives / daughters / mothers , U.S military personnel being blown up , killed, maimed etc on 4k video via drones dropping grenades on their vehicle / trench / office building, small cheap drones sinking entire multi billion dollar U.S. navy and U.S flagged ships in the near future. There won't be anymore cheap / easy Iraq style battles / victories for the USA in the future, no tank vs tank battles, just endless bloody fights where cheap drones controlled from a mile / 100 miles / 1000 miles by a operator, or controlled totally by AI blow people up while shitting, eating, typing paperwork, dropped into your head, flown thru your window, sneak in and destroy entire fuel depots, ammo dumps, hospitals, factories, etc, and especially when combined with AI, we won't fare any better against this type shit than the Russians have. Including EW. The footage looks like some operator off screen was hand-piloting the thing in, based on a FLIR link. That implies a bit of radio traffic, and we're likely the best there is at detecting it, spoofing it, and determining the origin. AKM-630 sounds impressive in youtube trials videos, but operational effectiveness is something else entirely for navies that don't make preventative maintenance a priority. As I suspect the Russian Navy doesn't. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:11:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So how long until those assholes in the middle east get one of our ships this way 29 Years Ago is on line 1 for you sir. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:14:44 AM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Once again…. Arfcom cheers gleefully as Russia loses a navy ship to a cheap drone…… not realizing this cats out of the bag and this same shit will result in drone attacks on the U.S military the same as have been happening to Russian military. In the very near future, the families of U.S military personnel can watch high resolution video on the internet, news, YouTube, etc , Live video of their husbands / sons / dads / wives / daughters / mothers , U.S military personnel being blown up , killed, maimed etc on 4k video via drones dropping grenades on their vehicle / trench / office building, small cheap drones sinking entire multi billion dollar U.S. navy and U.S flagged ships in the near future. There won’t be anymore cheap / easy Iraq style battles / victories for the USA in the future, no tank vs tank battles, just endless bloody fights where cheap drones controlled from a mile / 100 miles / 1000 miles by a operator, or controlled totally by AI blow people up while shitting, eating, typing paperwork, dropped into your head, flown thru your window, sneak in and destroy entire fuel depots, ammo dumps, hospitals, factories, etc, and especially when combined with AI, we won’t fare any better against this type shit than the Russians have. Just wait. Someday a long bow will puncture plate mail. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:14:46 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That class of boat isn't as big as that video makes it look. Normal complement is 50 crew. Says was 4 stationed in the Black Sea, now 3. Whomp whomp. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Lastunul.jpg/1280px-Lastunul.jpg Its a pretty big deal. The BSF is rather short on escorts even less taking out the Kaliber capable that Russia probably doesnt want to risk. These corvettes likely have been patrolling the major naval bases as the main line of drone defense, or escorting Russian shipping out of the BS. Russia is likely going to have to admit their forces are too thin and begin moving smaller vessels through their inland water way connecting the Baltic to the BS. If they dont they are leaving the more important ships that much more exposed. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:15:32 AM EST
[#19]
Remote control boats, not "drones"
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:23:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It ain’t a doom thread until buck19delta’s paranoid, uninformed ass shows up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:  go take a Xanax. It ain’t a doom thread until buck19delta’s paranoid, uninformed ass shows up. +1 |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:24:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It always baffles me when they don't scrap/recycle those big assets. It takes something like 5% of the energy required to create virgin aluminum to recycle it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So they don't need anymore of our tax dollars, cool. Something like 70%+ of us aid is from old weapons in storage we didn't really need... Unless we want to send our kids to war using gulf war era stuff. I know it sucks to have any of our money being spent overseas on this but the saint Ronald Reagan spent trillions of our dollars building weapons just for that that never got used. So here we are today, and Ronald Reagan's Wonder Weapons are being used against the exact enemy they were intended for, and 30% of this board laments over it. Good post.  Here is a big chunk of what we have sent over: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/AP/more/and%20more/more/d63bf160.jpg Yes - those are Vietnam-era M-113 armored personnel carriers. The Vietnam war ended in 1975. Nearly 50 years ago. And all the thousands of M113s we still have? They are so worthless to our military that we dump them into the ocean for fish-reefs. But, each worthless M113 is "valued" at hundreds of thousands of dollars, each. It takes something like 5% of the energy required to create virgin aluminum to recycle it. Money for that would come from a different budget. This group is getting money to do this thing instead. You're right. There should be much more salvage value in the hulls than wasting them this way, and indeed a private company not constrained by a contrary regulation or tax policy probably would salvage them. But this is government, and it's not like any waste is coming out of their pockets. Makes you want to approve everything on the DoD's wish list, doesn't it? |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:26:46 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Including EW. The footage looks like some operator off screen was hand-piloting the thing in, based on a FLIR link. That implies a bit of radio traffic, and we're likely the best there is at detecting it, spoofing it, and determining the origin. AKM-630 sounds impressive in youtube trials videos, but operational effectiveness is something else entirely for navies that don't make preventative maintenance a priority. As I suspect the Russian Navy doesn't. There's been a lot of video of wrecked Russian jammers lately, the Ukrainians have probably learned some home-on-jam tricks that make emitting more dangerous. Also if the combatants can acquire enough IR cameras everybody will be talking about heat camouflage and diffusion this year. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:27:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: USS America small boat defense live fire exercise. Notice there's no scene of their CIWS hitting the target boats. The 25mm chaingun worked great though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf8RExzMdfgJust pointing out one obvious weakness would be the reload system on phalanx. I can think of a few ways to empty force those mags empty to make the ship more vulnerable for the final rush. I hope the USN is looking at ways to reduce/eliminate that reload time significantly. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:27:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://ids.si.edu/ids/deliveryService?id=NASM-A19762056000_DSH02&max_w=900 replica of a torpedo/rocket from 1280 ad... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: To all the people freaking out about drones, I've got to ask a very serious question... Are you stupid? How the fuck is that ANY different than a missile or bomb dropped from a plane way up in the sky or launched from 60 miles away? What about a hypersonic cruise missile? What about when we used predator drones more than 20 years ago? Our use of night vision decades before opposing forces were able to acquire it? None of this shit is new, and you could argue that it's been going on since human beings started throwing objects at each other. https://ids.si.edu/ids/deliveryService?id=NASM-A19762056000_DSH02&max_w=900 replica of a torpedo/rocket from 1280 ad... I see where David Lynch's FX guys got their design inspiration... |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:30:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like a 16’ jet boat of death. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/857/IMG_0790_jpeg-3114467.JPG The latest versions of the drone seen by CNN weigh up to 1,000 kilograms (2,200 pounds), with an explosive payload of up to 300 kilograms (661 pounds), a range of 800 kilometers (500 miles) and maximum speed of 80 kph (50 mph). 500 mile radius of operation? Maybe, but not at max speed. What's its endurance for the sprint terminal phase? |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:31:46 AM EST
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:31:51 AM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Remote control boats, not "drones" generally any unmanned military eq that may traditionally be manned is a drone. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:32:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Everything you post is demoralizing and condescending horse shit. We're not cheering hard enough for you? Funny, I don't see you angry enough about Irans goons attacking us. Seems to me that you took advice from your hero Hillary, "The United States has no permanent enemies." and you're all on board with Obama's pallets of cash to Iran and biden forcing our troops to constantly bend over and take a missile up the ass. Everyone knows what you are.  Attached FileFuck Russia, and I say this with many Russian cousins, some probably in the meatgrinder. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:33:20 AM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless we mistake it for our own drone... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Once again . Arfcom cheers gleefully as Russia loses a navy ship to a cheap drone not realizing this cats out of the bag and this same shit will result in drone attacks on the U.S military the same as have been happening to Russian military. In the very near future, the families of U.S military personnel can watch high resolution video on the internet, news, YouTube, etc , Live video of their husbands / sons / dads / wives / daughters / mothers , U.S military personnel being blown up , killed, maimed etc on 4k video via drones dropping grenades on their vehicle / trench / office building, small cheap drones sinking entire multi billion dollar U.S. navy and U.S flagged ships in the near future. There won't be anymore cheap / easy Iraq style battles / victories for the USA in the future, no tank vs tank battles, just endless bloody fights where cheap drones controlled from a mile / 100 miles / 1000 miles by a operator, or controlled totally by AI blow people up while shitting, eating, typing paperwork, dropped into your head, flown thru your window, sneak in and destroy entire fuel depots, ammo dumps, hospitals, factories, etc, and especially when combined with AI, we won't fare any better against this type shit than the Russians have. Biden admin really gave away some intel here. That we have drones that are landing or at least going to final approach autonomously, because if there was a man in the loop they would know exactly where that drone was in relation to what they were observing. I'm still not completely discounting the strike was allowed to happen to give Biden justification to start his war with Iran. Gotta get that going before Trump gets in so Trump mostly has to go along with it. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:34:28 AM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Once again…. Arfcom cheers gleefully as Russia loses a navy ship to a cheap drone…… not realizing this cats out of the bag and this same shit will result in drone attacks on the U.S military the same as have been happening to Russian military. In the very near future, the families of U.S military personnel can watch high resolution video on the internet, news, YouTube, etc , Live video of their husbands / sons / dads / wives / daughters / mothers , U.S military personnel being blown up , killed, maimed etc on 4k video via drones dropping grenades on their vehicle / trench / office building, small cheap drones sinking entire multi billion dollar U.S. navy and U.S flagged ships in the near future. There won’t be anymore cheap / easy Iraq style battles / victories for the USA in the future, no tank vs tank battles, just endless bloody fights where cheap drones controlled from a mile / 100 miles / 1000 miles by a operator, or controlled totally by AI blow people up while shitting, eating, typing paperwork, dropped into your head, flown thru your window, sneak in and destroy entire fuel depots, ammo dumps, hospitals, factories, etc, and especially when combined with AI, we won’t fare any better against this type shit than the Russians have. The cat has been out of the bag to anyone for years. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:36:13 AM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 29 Years Ago is on line 1 for you sir. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So how long until those assholes in the middle east get one of our ships this way 29 Years Ago is on line 1 for you sir. Tbf, sitting at anchor, pre 9/11 awareness of the threat, is a slightly easier target than a Burke steaming throughout the Red Sea. Great points in your reply, Mal. AI image recognition---thinking of a video about a decade ago with a homebrew camera's auto-focus tracking slaved to a servo controller for an airsoft machine gun. Basically, the sentry gun from Aliens. It did rather well, and the tech has only gotten better. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:36:25 AM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Once again…. Arfcom cheers gleefully as Russia loses a navy ship to a cheap drone…… not realizing this cats out of the bag and this same shit will result in drone attacks on the U.S military the same as have been happening to Russian military. In the very near future, the families of U.S military personnel can watch high resolution video on the internet, news, YouTube, etc , Live video of their husbands / sons / dads / wives / daughters / mothers , U.S military personnel being blown up , killed, maimed etc on 4k video via drones dropping grenades on their vehicle / trench / office building, small cheap drones sinking entire multi billion dollar U.S. navy and U.S flagged ships in the near future. There won’t be anymore cheap / easy Iraq style battles / victories for the USA in the future, no tank vs tank battles, just endless bloody fights where cheap drones controlled from a mile / 100 miles / 1000 miles by a operator, or controlled totally by AI blow people up while shitting, eating, typing paperwork, dropped into your head, flown thru your window, sneak in and destroy entire fuel depots, ammo dumps, hospitals, factories, etc, and especially when combined with AI, we won’t fare any better against this type shit than the Russians have. Your post reads like you are somehow trying set blame with Ukraine for whatever weapons and tactics advancements come from this war. "If only Ukraine had just rolled over ... the world wouldn't be so dangerous. Warfare never stands still. Never has. And it's not going to start now. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:37:32 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: generally any unmanned military eq that may traditionally be manned is a drone. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Remote control boats, not "drones" generally any unmanned military eq that may traditionally be manned is a drone. E.g., the whole Q-series of remote-control targets for shootexs. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:47:08 AM EST
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A swarm of 100+ AI driven torpedos, drones, or jet skis (or all 3 at once) packed with explosives is probably the future. The ROI and impact to power projection is insane.
I hope the people at DARPA are both hard at work figuring out a counter and developing our own capabilities against a near peer. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:49:29 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tarantul class are potent little fuckers on paper. The main battery of antiship cruise missiles can be super potent if loaded with 4 Sunburns or 16 Switchblades. 42 knots + 2x 30mm CIWS and a 76mm rapid fire gun. I'm shocked it couldn't self-defend or flee. Now, maybe they had their radar off so they didn't see the drones coming AND haven't modified the guns with enough depression for close range swarm defense AND didn't fire up their engines and book it... but wow. It is more likely the Russian crew was asleep at the switch or all their shit just doesn't work. Judging by the proximity to the land in the background of the video I suspect the ship was on picket duty somewhere. It probably had little opportunity to actually run if it was the first vessel to detect the attack. I'm surprised they havent parked a Kilo 20 miles off the port to listen for incoming drones to act as early warning. I know the Kilos lack a towed array, but they should be able to hear these noisy drones. Especially a Kilo that doesnt have Kaliber capability, which I think theres one in the BSF that doesnt. Use that sub to figure out how they are getting them to the launch point, because they likely dont have the fuel to motor from Ukrainian territory. Maybe even set up to ambush the next attempt with the sub. These drones are probably pretty hard for Russian AEW radar planes to detect, sonar might be the most reliable early warning. Thinking about it Russia just lost one of their best airborne radars like a week or two ago. That could have been a precursor to this attack. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:51:44 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fine... Bring them all home Protect our own borders, shut down the invasion on our southern border. Stop policing the world. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Once again…. Arfcom cheers gleefully as Russia loses a navy ship to a cheap drone…… not realizing this cats out of the bag and this same shit will result in drone attacks on the U.S military the same as have been happening to Russian military. In the very near future, the families of U.S military personnel can watch high resolution video on the internet, news, YouTube, etc , Live video of their husbands / sons / dads / wives / daughters / mothers , U.S military personnel being blown up , killed, maimed etc on 4k video via drones dropping grenades on their vehicle / trench / office building, small cheap drones sinking entire multi billion dollar U.S. navy and U.S flagged ships in the near future. There won’t be anymore cheap / easy Iraq style battles / victories for the USA in the future, no tank vs tank battles, just endless bloody fights where cheap drones controlled from a mile / 100 miles / 1000 miles by a operator, or controlled totally by AI blow people up while shitting, eating, typing paperwork, dropped into your head, flown thru your window, sneak in and destroy entire fuel depots, ammo dumps, hospitals, factories, etc, and especially when combined with AI, we won’t fare any better against this type shit than the Russians have. Fine... Bring them all home Protect our own borders, shut down the invasion on our southern border. Stop policing the world. And become a second rate power and let the dollar lose it's status as the world's reserve currency!
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:51:48 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Judging by the proximity to the land in the background of the video I suspect the ship was on picket duty somewhere. It probably had little opportunity to actually run if it was the first vessel to detect the attack. I'm surprised they havent parked a Kilo 20 miles off the port to listen for incoming drones to act as early warning. I know the Kilos lack a towed array, but they should be able to hear these noisy drones. Especially a Kilo that doesnt have Kaliber capability, which I think theres one in the BSF that doesnt. Use that sub to figure out how they are getting them to the launch point, because they likely dont have the fuel to motor from Ukrainian territory. Maybe even set up to ambush the next attempt with the sub. These drones are probably pretty hard for Russian AEW radar planes to detect, sonar might be the most reliable early warning. Thinking about it Russia just lost one of their best airborne radars like a week or two ago. That could have been a precursor to this attack. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:53:28 AM EST
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:57:31 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Once again . Arfcom cheers gleefully as Russia loses a navy ship to a cheap drone not realizing this cats out of the bag and this same shit will result in drone attacks on the U.S military the same as have been happening to Russian military. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 12:00:07 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryThey need to put that video to the Jonny Quest them song. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 12:04:53 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It amazes me the people in this thread that would rather we not see or learn about all this modern warfare shit between two countries with no U.S. lives involved. I guess they’d rather have us get punched in the face first and figure it out on the fly instead of Russians/Ukrainians dying. Retard logic. They also think Ukraine “revealed” drone swarms to the world for the first time to china/iran/etc by doing this lol. This has been studied by the U.S., Chinese, and Iranian militaries for the last 10yrs. I also wonder what Chinas landing ships for Taiwan are thinking now? This works both ways. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Once again…. Arfcom cheers gleefully as Russia loses a navy ship to a cheap drone…… not realizing this cats out of the bag and this same shit will result in drone attacks on the U.S military the same as have been happening to Russian military. In the very near future, the families of U.S military personnel can watch high resolution video on the internet, news, YouTube, etc , Live video of their husbands / sons / dads / wives / daughters / mothers , U.S military personnel being blown up , killed, maimed etc on 4k video via drones dropping grenades on their vehicle / trench / office building, small cheap drones sinking entire multi billion dollar U.S. navy and U.S flagged ships in the near future. There won’t be anymore cheap / easy Iraq style battles / victories for the USA in the future, no tank vs tank battles, just endless bloody fights where cheap drones controlled from a mile / 100 miles / 1000 miles by a operator, or controlled totally by AI blow people up while shitting, eating, typing paperwork, dropped into your head, flown thru your window, sneak in and destroy entire fuel depots, ammo dumps, hospitals, factories, etc, and especially when combined with AI, we won’t fare any better against this type shit than the Russians have. We are learning the painful lessons without having to lay down American lives. It amazes me the people in this thread that would rather we not see or learn about all this modern warfare shit between two countries with no U.S. lives involved. I guess they’d rather have us get punched in the face first and figure it out on the fly instead of Russians/Ukrainians dying. Retard logic. They also think Ukraine “revealed” drone swarms to the world for the first time to china/iran/etc by doing this lol. This has been studied by the U.S., Chinese, and Iranian militaries for the last 10yrs. I also wonder what Chinas landing ships for Taiwan are thinking now? This works both ways. Well put. And goals-wise: the NATO objective here is the destruction of Russia. Why some of you are so opposed to destroying the closest ally of North Korea and Iran (ie - Russia) is beyond me. But hey: if you people are so pro-Iran/North Korea/Russia, it is still your right to be a retard in the US. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 12:08:12 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Biden admin really gave away some intel here. That we have drones that are landing or at least going to final approach autonomously, because if there was a man in the loop they would know exactly where that drone was in relation to what they were observing. I'm still not completely discounting the strike was allowed to happen to give Biden justification to start his war with Iran. Gotta get that going before Trump gets in so Trump mostly has to go along with it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Once again . Arfcom cheers gleefully as Russia loses a navy ship to a cheap drone not realizing this cats out of the bag and this same shit will result in drone attacks on the U.S military the same as have been happening to Russian military. In the very near future, the families of U.S military personnel can watch high resolution video on the internet, news, YouTube, etc , Live video of their husbands / sons / dads / wives / daughters / mothers , U.S military personnel being blown up , killed, maimed etc on 4k video via drones dropping grenades on their vehicle / trench / office building, small cheap drones sinking entire multi billion dollar U.S. navy and U.S flagged ships in the near future. There won't be anymore cheap / easy Iraq style battles / victories for the USA in the future, no tank vs tank battles, just endless bloody fights where cheap drones controlled from a mile / 100 miles / 1000 miles by a operator, or controlled totally by AI blow people up while shitting, eating, typing paperwork, dropped into your head, flown thru your window, sneak in and destroy entire fuel depots, ammo dumps, hospitals, factories, etc, and especially when combined with AI, we won't fare any better against this type shit than the Russians have. Biden admin really gave away some intel here. That we have drones that are landing or at least going to final approach autonomously, because if there was a man in the loop they would know exactly where that drone was in relation to what they were observing. I'm still not completely discounting the strike was allowed to happen to give Biden justification to start his war with Iran. Gotta get that going before Trump gets in so Trump mostly has to go along with it. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 12:12:10 PM EST
[#43]
Reminds me of the Bismarck.
Advanced AA guns for fast fighters/bombers. Gets disabled by slow biplanes. There is an Achilles heel with our navy too. We’ll find out one day. 
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Posted: 2/1/2024 12:13:19 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ask the Germans what happened to Bl cher. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It takes a special kind of leader to lose another ship in a land war to a nation without a navy. Ask the Germans what happened to Bl cher. 
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Posted: 2/1/2024 12:21:53 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You sure about that? It comes down to cost. How much money can we put into a defensive system that has to stop 100+ drones at once? Drones are cheap. They don't have to spend a lot of money on them as they are a one time use item. Strap explosives on it and send it on it's way. 100,200, 1000? They could spend $100,000 on a drone swarm and overwhelm ship defenses pretty easily. How do you defend from 1,000 incoming drones? You're going to run out of ammo trying to shoot them all down. Then what? The next round gets through. You're fucked. The only way to combat this is retaliatory strikes that are so over the top that even the hardened terrorists are like, woah, we done fucked up. Precision strikes don't do anything. It needs to be like WW2 bombing campaigns where entire cities are razed. Make them reconsider the error of their ways. Swarming has long been an effective tactic for swamping ship defenses. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 12:28:31 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So we need to use our advantage by delivering massive precision strikes to the countries that fund the asymmetric action. We know who they are, where they are, and when they can be had. We need a Curtis Lemay mindset for a bit. The Mr. Nice guy shit isn’t working. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Once again…. Arfcom cheers gleefully as Russia loses a navy ship to a cheap drone…… not realizing this cats out of the bag and this same shit will result in drone attacks on the U.S military the same as have been happening to Russian military. In the very near future, the families of U.S military personnel can watch high resolution video on the internet, news, YouTube, etc , Live video of their husbands / sons / dads / wives / daughters / mothers , U.S military personnel being blown up , killed, maimed etc on 4k video via drones dropping grenades on their vehicle / trench / office building, small cheap drones sinking entire multi billion dollar U.S. navy and U.S flagged ships in the near future. There won’t be anymore cheap / easy Iraq style battles / victories for the USA in the future, no tank vs tank battles, just endless bloody fights where cheap drones controlled from a mile / 100 miles / 1000 miles by a operator, or controlled totally by AI blow people up while shitting, eating, typing paperwork, dropped into your head, flown thru your window, sneak in and destroy entire fuel depots, ammo dumps, hospitals, factories, etc, and especially when combined with AI, we won’t fare any better against this type shit than the Russians have. So we need to use our advantage by delivering massive precision strikes to the countries that fund the asymmetric action. We know who they are, where they are, and when they can be had. We need a Curtis Lemay mindset for a bit. The Mr. Nice guy shit isn’t working. That would be nice, will Lloyd Austin do? |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 12:28:46 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It takes a special kind of leader to lose another ship in a land war to a nation without a navy. Damn, just damn, that is such a great observation. Thank you, Sir! |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 12:28:53 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryLOL. No, really. LOL. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 12:31:11 PM EST
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Posted: 2/1/2024 12:31:21 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Once again…. Arfcom cheers gleefully as Russia loses a navy ship to a cheap drone…… not realizing this cats out of the bag and this same shit will result in drone attacks on the U.S military the same as have been happening to Russian military. In the very near future, the families of U.S military personnel can watch high resolution video on the internet, news, YouTube, etc , Live video of their husbands / sons / dads / wives / daughters / mothers , U.S military personnel being blown up , killed, maimed etc on 4k video via drones dropping grenades on their vehicle / trench / office building, small cheap drones sinking entire multi billion dollar U.S. navy and U.S flagged ships in the near future. There won’t be anymore cheap / easy Iraq style battles / victories for the USA in the future, no tank vs tank battles, just endless bloody fights where cheap drones controlled from a mile / 100 miles / 1000 miles by a operator, or controlled totally by AI blow people up while shitting, eating, typing paperwork, dropped into your head, flown thru your window, sneak in and destroy entire fuel depots, ammo dumps, hospitals, factories, etc, and especially when combined with AI, we won’t fare any better against this type shit than the Russians have. Being on the periphery (EXTREMELY on the periphery, providing a service that's needed, but not even close to intrinsic to "drone killing" world) for well over 10 years (way, way over) I'd add this: cubic millions have been spent by private armament companies in the effort to kill large numbers of drones (cause the money to be made with a system that can do that is enormous). I get to see only a tiny, tiny bit, I have to leave the property at some point, but the US has anti drone capabilities that are closely guarded and will only come to light when put to use. Assuming that we're blind, unprepared and inept in this area is a grand mistake. And these efforts include joining existing tech (old school gunnery) with new software up to new tech that's unknown to you and me. It's an across the board all weapons on deck effort. This has been a well identified threat for many years, stupidly large work has been done to counter it. The UK/Russia, the middle east bump ups, only add data that helps not hurts that ongoing effort. |
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