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Link Posted: 4/9/2016 9:19:54 AM EDT
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The writing’s on the wall in the Republican Party: John Kasich will be the Party’s nominee in 2016, with Marco Rubio as his running mate. Only the media’s delight at continued Trumpian drama is keeping politicos and pundits from coast to coast from stating the obvious.


So as not to belabor the point, here are eight single-sentence reasons Kasich/Rubio is now almost certain to be the Republican ticket in 2016:

1.Donald Trump needs 1,237 delegates to win on the first ballot at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland, and not only will he not get to that figure prior to the Convention — he’d need to win well over 50 percent of the remaining delegates to do so, and even during his current run as front-runner he’s only won 46 percent of delegates — he won’t even get close enough to that mark to pass it via uncommitted delegates at the Convention.
2.Ted Cruz and John Kasich staying in the race through Cleveland not only will ensure that Trump can’t get close to 1,237 delegates via primary and caucus votes, it will also ensure that both men have a reasonable delegate total by the time they arrive at the Convention — more than enough to keep both of them in the picture in the view of Convention delegates.
3.Republican Party elders have more than enough clout to make sure that “Rule 40(b)” gets changed prior to or at the Convention, thereby enabling Republicans like John Kasich who haven’t won a majority of delegates in eight states to nevertheless be considered for the nomination.
4.After the first ballot in Cleveland — during which no candidate will have the require delegates for nomination — most of the delegates will be free to vote for whomever they wish, and while Ted Cruz has craftily planted his supporters in many delegations, it’s not nearly enough to get him to 1,237 delegates on the second ballot.
5.Whereas Ted Cruz is loathed by the Republican Party elite, has lost to Hillary Clinton in head-to-head polls 55 percent of the time since November 2015, and has no actual accomplishments in government to point to, John Kasich hasn’t lost a single head-to-head poll to Hillary Clinton in 2016, is broadly if imperfectly acceptable to both Party elites and movement conservatives, and is far and away the most accomplished Republican primary candidate left.
6.Marco Rubio has deliberately held onto his 172 delegates so that he can create a unity ticket with John Kasich in Cleveland — a ticket that will begin with somewhere between 350 and 600 delegates on the first ballot at the Convention, depending upon how many delegates John Kasich wins going forward.
7.Rubio is certain not to give his delegates away for free, nor to give them to his arch-enemies Cruz or Trump, nor to — as some suppose — merely fade into the background when he was and remains among the most ambitious politicians in the Republican Party.
8.A Kasich/Rubio ticket would appeal to both mainstream Republicans (Kasich) and Tea Partiers (Rubio), to both white and Latino voters, to younger voters who want to see someone relatively young on the ticket, to those looking for a ticket whose members run the gamut from executive to legislative experience at both the state and federal levels, and to those who believe all members of a presidential ticket should hail from a major battleground state.
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It's too backroom. Despite everything, the Republican elite DOES know they are on the rocks, and that the voters are furious with them. Cruz is a compromise they can live with, since he is a true conservative wayyyyyyyyyy to the right of every Republican candidate in recent memory AND he won a bunch of states and is going to finish second in the delegate count. Kasich, Rubio, Ryan, etc. are a bridge too far.
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I suspect you're correct.  All the Trump supporters will either vote for HillaSand or stay home and pout. For them, this election cycle isn't about doing the best they can for their country, it's all about lashing out at the Republican Party.
Link Posted: 4/9/2016 9:21:12 AM EDT
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The writing’s on the wall in the Republican Party: John Kasich will be the Party’s nominee in 2016, with Marco Rubio as his running mate. Only the media’s delight at continued Trumpian drama is keeping politicos and pundits from coast to coast from stating the obvious.


So as not to belabor the point, here are eight single-sentence reasons Kasich/Rubio is now almost certain to be the Republican ticket in 2016:

1.Donald Trump needs 1,237 delegates to win on the first ballot at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland, and not only will he not get to that figure prior to the Convention — he’d need to win well over 50 percent of the remaining delegates to do so, and even during his current run as front-runner he’s only won 46 percent of delegates — he won’t even get close enough to that mark to pass it via uncommitted delegates at the Convention.
2.Ted Cruz and John Kasich staying in the race through Cleveland not only will ensure that Trump can’t get close to 1,237 delegates via primary and caucus votes, it will also ensure that both men have a reasonable delegate total by the time they arrive at the Convention — more than enough to keep both of them in the picture in the view of Convention delegates.
3.Republican Party elders have more than enough clout to make sure that “Rule 40(b)” gets changed prior to or at the Convention, thereby enabling Republicans like John Kasich who haven’t won a majority of delegates in eight states to nevertheless be considered for the nomination.
4.After the first ballot in Cleveland — during which no candidate will have the require delegates for nomination — most of the delegates will be free to vote for whomever they wish, and while Ted Cruz has craftily planted his supporters in many delegations, it’s not nearly enough to get him to 1,237 delegates on the second ballot.
5.Whereas Ted Cruz is loathed by the Republican Party elite, has lost to Hillary Clinton in head-to-head polls 55 percent of the time since November 2015, and has no actual accomplishments in government to point to, John Kasich hasn’t lost a single head-to-head poll to Hillary Clinton in 2016, is broadly if imperfectly acceptable to both Party elites and movement conservatives, and is far and away the most accomplished Republican primary candidate left.
6.Marco Rubio has deliberately held onto his 172 delegates so that he can create a unity ticket with John Kasich in Cleveland — a ticket that will begin with somewhere between 350 and 600 delegates on the first ballot at the Convention, depending upon how many delegates John Kasich wins going forward.
7.Rubio is certain not to give his delegates away for free, nor to give them to his arch-enemies Cruz or Trump, nor to — as some suppose — merely fade into the background when he was and remains among the most ambitious politicians in the Republican Party.
8.A Kasich/Rubio ticket would appeal to both mainstream Republicans (Kasich) and Tea Partiers (Rubio), to both white and Latino voters, to younger voters who want to see someone relatively young on the ticket, to those looking for a ticket whose members run the gamut from executive to legislative experience at both the state and federal levels, and to those who believe all members of a presidential ticket should hail from a major battleground state.
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Someone read Huffpo this AM
Link Posted: 4/9/2016 9:22:41 AM EDT
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I suspect you're correct.  All the Trump supporters will either vote for HillaSand or stay home and pout. For them, this election cycle isn't about doing the best they can for their country, it's all about lashing out at the Republican Party.
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I suspect you're correct.  All the Trump supporters will either vote for HillaSand or stay home and pout. For them, this election cycle isn't about doing the best they can for their country, it's all about lashing out at the Republican Party.


Wrong.

I support Trump, but will vote for the R nominee.

However, it won't matter because we are going to lose to Hillary without Trump on the ticket.
Link Posted: 4/9/2016 9:25:40 AM EDT
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I suspect you're correct.  All the Trump supporters will either vote for HillaSand or stay home and pout. For them, this election cycle isn't about doing the best they can for their country, it's all about lashing out at the Republican Party.
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I suspect you're correct.  All the Trump supporters will either vote for HillaSand or stay home and pout. For them, this election cycle isn't about doing the best they can for their country, it's all about lashing out at the Republican Party.




That's BS....In fact I suspect the exact opposite is true.

Trump supporters seem perfectly fine with voting for Cruz....I know I would be even though I don't care for nor trust him all that much.

Cruz supporters on the other hand seem to be the ones with a huge case of the "sandies".  


Link Posted: 4/9/2016 9:27:06 AM EDT
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Mattis 2016
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I suspect you're correct.  All the Trump supporters will either vote for HillaSand or stay home and pout. For them, this election cycle isn't about doing the best they can for their country, it's all about lashing out at the Republican Party.
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I suspect you're correct.  All the Trump supporters will either vote for HillaSand or stay home and pout. For them, this election cycle isn't about doing the best they can for their country, it's all about lashing out at the Republican Party.

Anecdotally I have heard A LOT of the Cruz supporters saying the same thing.

WE MUST COME TOGETHER PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 4/9/2016 9:28:45 AM EDT
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Oops.
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That's BS....In fact I suspect the exact opposite is true.

Trump supporters seem perfectly fine with voting for Cruz....I know I would be even though I don't care for nor trust him all that much.

Cruz supporters on the other hand seem to be the ones with a huge case of the "sandies".  


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I suspect you're correct.  All the Trump supporters will either vote for HillaSand or stay home and pout. For them, this election cycle isn't about doing the best they can for their country, it's all about lashing out at the Republican Party.




That's BS....In fact I suspect the exact opposite is true.

Trump supporters seem perfectly fine with voting for Cruz....I know I would be even though I don't care for nor trust him all that much.

Cruz supporters on the other hand seem to be the ones with a huge case of the "sandies".  





This.
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1.Donald Trump needs 1,237 delegates to win on the first ballot at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland, and not only will he not get to that figure prior to the Convention — he’d need to win well over 50 percent of the remaining delegates to do so, and even during his current run as front-runner he’s only won 46 percent of delegates — he won’t even get close enough to that mark to pass it via uncommitted delegates at the Convention.
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Unless something changes Trump is going to get 90-100% of the delegates in New York.
Link Posted: 4/9/2016 9:34:33 AM EDT
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I suspect you're correct.  All the Trump supporters will either vote for HillaSand or stay home and pout. For them, this election cycle isn't about doing the best they can for their country, it's all about lashing out at the Republican Party.
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I suspect you're correct.  All the Trump supporters will either vote for HillaSand or stay home and pout. For them, this election cycle isn't about doing the best they can for their country, it's all about lashing out at the Republican Party.


And if Trump is the nominee, when he loses they will blame other republicans. He will lose in a lanslide. No independent will vote for him.
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And if Trump is the nominee, when he loses they will blame other republicans. He will lose in a lanslide. No independent will vote for him.
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I suspect you're correct.  All the Trump supporters will either vote for HillaSand or stay home and pout. For them, this election cycle isn't about doing the best they can for their country, it's all about lashing out at the Republican Party.


And if Trump is the nominee, when he loses they will blame other republicans. He will lose in a lanslide. No independent will vote for him.

You don't know that.........it is way too early.
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And we lose to Hilldog.
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It's going to be Trump or Cruz at the convention.

Trump doesn't hit 1,237 on the first ballot.

Cruz hits 1,443 on the second ballot.

Ta-da!

Cruz is the nominee.

Don't overthink it.


And we lose to Hilldog.



Correctamundo  .  .  .  Hillary by a Landslide ! ! !



Link Posted: 4/9/2016 9:40:16 AM EDT
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Wrong.

I support Trump, but will vote for the R nominee.

However, it won't matter because we are going to lose to Hillary without Trump on the ticket.
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I suspect you're correct.  All the Trump supporters will either vote for HillaSand or stay home and pout. For them, this election cycle isn't about doing the best they can for their country, it's all about lashing out at the Republican Party.


Wrong.

I support Trump, but will vote for the R nominee.

However, it won't matter because we are going to lose to Hillary without Trump on the ticket.

You raise a valid point.  I posted carelessly.  All the Trump supporters wouldn't revenge vote or stay home, not even most. Only enough to facilitate election of the Democrat.

As to the bolded: that was my point.  We're probably lose with or without Trump on the ticket, either because most people think he's a douchenozzle or because some - enough - of his acolytes won't vote for anyone but the Orange Jesus.
Link Posted: 4/9/2016 9:42:44 AM EDT
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I will vote for any of the Republicans. No fucking way I would even think about Hitlery or the Bern.
Link Posted: 4/9/2016 9:43:47 AM EDT
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I will vote for any of the Republicans. No fucking way I would even think about Hitlery or the Bern.
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I HOPE AND PRAY the fucking 'tards get as divided as we are over Hillary getting a HUGE lead right out of the gate with the fucking super delegates.
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That's BS....In fact I suspect the exact opposite is true.

Trump supporters seem perfectly fine with voting for Cruz....I know I would be even though I don't care for nor trust him all that much.

Cruz supporters on the other hand seem to be the ones with a huge case of the "sandies".  
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I suspect you're correct.  All the Trump supporters will either vote for HillaSand or stay home and pout. For them, this election cycle isn't about doing the best they can for their country, it's all about lashing out at the Republican Party.




That's BS....In fact I suspect the exact opposite is true.

Trump supporters seem perfectly fine with voting for Cruz....I know I would be even though I don't care for nor trust him all that much.

Cruz supporters on the other hand seem to be the ones with a huge case of the "sandies".  

It was good to see you finally come out closet.  The last exchange we had, you denied being a Trump supporter.

By the way, if Trump is the nominee, I'll be standing in line when the polls open to vote for the Republican nominee.
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GOOD, hope it burns to the ground !
Link Posted: 4/9/2016 9:46:49 AM EDT
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just keep believing the liberal controlled lying media.



it works out so well.
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and 100% would perform better than Trump




Reality. Come back to it.



Trump has millions more supporters than any other candidate and pulls voters from all demographics.



Without Trump we are going to lose.




I am firmly rooted in reality. the ongoing head to head poll numbers say Trump is total general election suckage.





just keep believing the liberal controlled lying media.



it works out so well.


That's what people here were saying last election. And the one before that.



 
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It was good to see you finally come out closet.  The last exchange we had, you denied being a Trump supporter.

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Now that's what I'm talkin' about!!!!!!!!!!!
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The GOP would rather see a dem in the whitehouse than Trump or Cruz or any actual Conservative for that matter.

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I so want to punish the GOPe  for their failure to live up to their promises to the party and for caving to the Zero on every.......fucking......thing.   Including passing the buck on the Iran Nuke "agreement" not Treaty.



But we wind up punishing ourselves.     The laws and rules never apply to these congressional parasites, they have their armed security, they have their secret money deals with lobbies and worse.    They are exempted from the ZeroCare that was forced upon the entire nation just so the DNC could buy more votes.




The 2016 is a diarrhea-covered shit sandwich,   Bite, Chew, Swallow, Repeat




I'll do what I got to do to allow me and mine to buy more beans, rice, bourbon and bullets, to give the young ones four more years to grow up and be more prepared for the coming world.
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Bernie is going to get hosed too.  Put up a third party with Trump/Sanders or Cruz/Sanders and watch the show.  
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FPNI.
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Bernie is going to get hosed too.  Put up a third party with Trump/Sanders or Cruz/Sanders and watch the show.  
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Bernie is getting hosed WAY MORE.

I can't believe he isn't screaming bloody murder............he appears to be a pussy...........nice man but a fucking pussy.
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and 100% would perform better than Trump
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and 100% would perform better than Trump


Lol.  Ummmm, no.
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I thought the rules were decided/written by the rules committee a week prior to the convention.  Are there any rules yet? Serious question . . .
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He has admitted in another thread that he hasn't read the party rules.
He can't even find the rules.


I thought the rules were decided/written by the rules committee a week prior to the convention.  Are there any rules yet? Serious question . . .


Of course there are rules.
The rules deal with more than the convention.
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And if Trump is the nominee, when he loses they will blame other republicans. He will lose in a lanslide. No independent will vote for him.
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I suspect you're correct.  All the Trump supporters will either vote for HillaSand or stay home and pout. For them, this election cycle isn't about doing the best they can for their country, it's all about lashing out at the Republican Party.


And if Trump is the nominee, when he loses they will blame other republicans. He will lose in a lanslide. No independent will vote for him.

I disagree.  Three or four will blame the Democrats.  The rest will split evenly between blaming the Republican leadership and women.  

As for independents, no real American gives a shit about the mushy middle.  After all, it's only thirty or so percent, fuck compromising one's principles


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If 8 state's majority of delegates vote to suspend the rules they are suspended............right?
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He has admitted in another thread that he hasn't read the party rules.
He can't even find the rules.

If 8 state's majority of delegates vote to suspend the rules they are suspended............right?


No. The motion must be supported by the majority on one delegation.
It must be seconded by the majority of seven delegations.
The majority of all delegates must vote in favor of the motion before it is adopted.
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Reality. Come back to it.

Trump has millions more supporters than any other candidate and pulls voters from all demographics.

Without Trump we are going to lose.
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and 100% would perform better than Trump


Reality. Come back to it.

Trump has millions more supporters than any other candidate and pulls voters from all demographics.

Without Trump we are going to lose.


You are right but you fail to remember that the people dont elect the president regardless of what we want to believe.
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Who will bend over and grab their ankles for the Democrats then?

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Bernie is getting hosed WAY MORE.

I can't believe he isn't screaming bloody murder............he appears to be a pussy...........nice man but a fucking pussy.
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Bernie is getting hosed WAY MORE.

I can't believe he isn't screaming bloody murder............he appears to be a pussy...........nice man but a fucking pussy.


Perhaps he recognizes that HRC's lead is provided by super delegates.
Perhaps he recalls what happened in 2008, when the super delegates promised to support her and then abandoned her. (Imagine - politicians who don't keep their word.)
Perhaps he figures that screaming isn't the way to convince the super delegates to abandon her this time.
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That's right........I didn't go far enough in the explanation.

The 8 states get the motion up for a total vote of all the delegates.

Then if the suspension passes it gets adopted.

But if you got a situation where no one gets 50 percent of the primary delegates it doesn't seem like they would stay with something like the 8 state rule of Rule 40 to my way of thinking because the GOPe HATES Trump and Cruz.

And let's face it...........the delegates are more in the tank with the GOPe than they are with the voters.
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Perhaps he recognizes that HRC's lead is provided by super delegates.
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One can hope but Bernie is an old white man..........not the first black man or white woman with a chance to win.
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I am firmly rooted in reality. the ongoing head to head poll numbers say Trump is total general election suckage.
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Reality. Come back to it.

Trump has millions more supporters than any other candidate and pulls voters from all demographics.

Without Trump we are going to lose.


I am firmly rooted in reality. the ongoing head to head poll numbers say Trump is total general election suckage.


If polls were accurate Ron Paul would have won by a landslide in 2008. Polls are meaningless bullshit and a Kasich/Rubio ticket will perform just as poorly as McCain/Palin did but with the added bonus of Trump supporters voting against every other Republican on the ballot in protest. That's the ticket Hillary wants because it will probably give her both houses and then she can really do some damage.

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There is NO conservative party in the U.S.



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End of fucking story.




And if there is, THEY HAVE NO BALLS!!!!
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I'm sick of people who don't know the difference between a primary and a general election trying claim Trump is our only hope for defeating Hillary. It's nonsense.

Whether you you support him or not one thing is clear, he has the highest negatives of any candidate, well, pretty much ever. Worse than Hillary. All indications at this point is he the worse possible choice if your criteria includes the ability to win in November.

Hell, he can't even secure a real majority in any state in the primaries. In other words, he doesnt even have strong support among Republican voters.  To the contrary a tremendous number of Republican voters have sworn not to support him should he get the nomination.  A Donald Trump nomination pretty much guarantees an abysmal turnout of Republican voters in November.

So everyone can stop with this foolish idea that Trump is our only hope of winning. The opposite is true. Now personally I think "electability" is a bullshit reason to vote for someone. I pick a candidate based on their principles.  I say support someone who's values you believe in and let the chips fall where they may. If that's Trump for you then go for it. But stop pretending that the Trump juggernaut is some unstoppable force that will roll over Hillary with ease. The much more likely outcome is she will trounce him.
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Republican primaries have had record turnouts and these people are not showing up to vote for Cruz or Kasich. Democrats however have had record low turnout because most moderate Dems hate Hillary and don't want to vote for an avowed socialist. Hate him all you want but Trump has a pretty hardcore base of supporters who are big enough to torpedo the Republicans chance of holding onto both houses if the nomination goes to anybody else and that's a fact. I'm pretty bleak in my outlook of Trump beating Hillary but I know what will happen when the GOP selects a turd like Kasich.
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Republican primaries have had record turnouts and these people are not showing up to vote for Cruz or Kasich. Democrats however have had record low turnout because most moderate Dems hate Hillary and don't want to vote for an avowed socialist. Hate him all you want but Trump has a pretty hardcore base of supporters who are big enough to torpedo the Republicans chance of holding onto both houses if the nomination goes to anybody else and that's a fact. I'm pretty bleak in my outlook of Trump beating Hillary but I know what will happen when the GOP selects a turd like Kasich.
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I think a lot of people are showing up for Cruz also.

He's losing but is still doing pretty well IMHO.
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You live in a fantasy world.

Cruz is not going to get the nomination.
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Cruz has a better ground game going-in than anyone.

The delegates have to return to their home state after the convention, owning who the candidate is. That is why Trump has no chance.

And that is why Cruz has much, much, much more of a chance than anyone else.

Utah, the Republican West, and the South can defend their choice of Cruz... Definitely not Trump. Probably not Ryan.

Yeah, Cruz has the best ground-game going into the convention, and it is the ground game that will win the convention. Trump has none. No one wants to publicly admit support for Trumps liberal platform, and constantly changing major policy positions...

The problem for Trump... Trumps popularity among conservatives has dropped the more he talks about his support for big-government solutions and programs... That is the *real* problem. He could get away with pretended "anger" in the early stages of the campaign... But when he is forced to explain himself, he fails miserably... Three varied and different policy positions on abortion in *one* day... That is not leadership. No one sees that and thinks, "Man, that guy should be President."

It was good to see conservatives outright reject Trump in Utah.

It was good to see conservatives outright reject Trump in Wisconsin.

He lost both states because he ran his mouth... In Utah Trump purposefully attacked LDS conservatives. In Wisconsin, Trump ran his mouth about die-hard conservative Walker...

It is humorous to see Trump supporters push boogeymen...

Before Chris Christie endorsed Trumps liberal platform, it was, "You better vote Trump, or the GOP"e" is going to give you Chris Christie..."

Now it is, "You better support Trumps demand for bigger government and more taxes and bounce-back citizenship for illegals, or the GOP"e" is going to give you Paul Ryan."

The reality... Cruz has the best ground game on the conservative side. Cruz has more loyalty, and more delegates who can't go back home without supporting him...
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If polls were accurate Ron Paul would have won by a landslide in 2008. Polls are meaningless bullshit and a Kasich/Rubio ticket will perform just as poorly as McCain/Palin did but with the added bonus of Trump supporters voting against every other Republican on the ballot in protest. That's the ticket Hillary wants because it will probably give her both houses and then she can really do some damage.

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You know, you're right.  Hillary is scared shitless about running against Cruz or Trump.  The very thought of having to convince the middle third of the electorate that she's the voice of reason compared to those two polished diplomats makes her piss her undies so often she's wearing Depends.
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The writing’s on the wall in the Republican Party: John Kasich will be the Party’s nominee in 2016, with Marco Rubio as his running mate. Only the media’s delight at continued Trumpian drama is keeping politicos and pundits from coast to coast from stating the obvious.


So as not to belabor the point, here are eight single-sentence reasons Kasich/Rubio is now almost certain to be the Republican ticket in 2016:

1.Donald Trump needs 1,237 delegates to win on the first ballot at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland, and not only will he not get to that figure prior to the Convention — he’d need to win well over 50 percent of the remaining delegates to do so, and even during his current run as front-runner he’s only won 46 percent of delegates — he won’t even get close enough to that mark to pass it via uncommitted delegates at the Convention.
2.Ted Cruz and John Kasich staying in the race through Cleveland not only will ensure that Trump can’t get close to 1,237 delegates via primary and caucus votes, it will also ensure that both men have a reasonable delegate total by the time they arrive at the Convention — more than enough to keep both of them in the picture in the view of Convention delegates.
3.Republican Party elders have more than enough clout to make sure that “Rule 40(b)” gets changed prior to or at the Convention, thereby enabling Republicans like John Kasich who haven’t won a majority of delegates in eight states to nevertheless be considered for the nomination.
4.After the first ballot in Cleveland — during which no candidate will have the require delegates for nomination — most of the delegates will be free to vote for whomever they wish, and while Ted Cruz has craftily planted his supporters in many delegations, it’s not nearly enough to get him to 1,237 delegates on the second ballot.
5.Whereas Ted Cruz is loathed by the Republican Party elite, has lost to Hillary Clinton in head-to-head polls 55 percent of the time since November 2015, and has no actual accomplishments in government to point to, John Kasich hasn’t lost a single head-to-head poll to Hillary Clinton in 2016, is broadly if imperfectly acceptable to both Party elites and movement conservatives, and is far and away the most accomplished Republican primary candidate left.
6.Marco Rubio has deliberately held onto his 172 delegates so that he can create a unity ticket with John Kasich in Cleveland — a ticket that will begin with somewhere between 350 and 600 delegates on the first ballot at the Convention, depending upon how many delegates John Kasich wins going forward.
7.Rubio is certain not to give his delegates away for free, nor to give them to his arch-enemies Cruz or Trump, nor to — as some suppose — merely fade into the background when he was and remains among the most ambitious politicians in the Republican Party.
8.A Kasich/Rubio ticket would appeal to both mainstream Republicans (Kasich) and Tea Partiers (Rubio), to both white and Latino voters, to younger voters who want to see someone relatively young on the ticket, to those looking for a ticket whose members run the gamut from executive to legislative experience at both the state and federal levels, and to those who believe all members of a presidential ticket should hail from a major battleground state.
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And then they lose, but that's their goal.    They don't really want to win.   I'm sure as hell not voting for them if they pull that bullshit.   Mr Amnesty in the first 100 days and Rubio who is just as bad?  Fuck them!
Link Posted: 4/9/2016 10:55:15 AM EDT
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To include the House & Senate.

The funny part, the R Party will seriously try and figure out "how they lost" everything in a couple years.
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I so want to punish the GOPe  for their failure to live up to their promises to the party and for caving to the Zero on every.......fucking......thing.   Including passing the buck on the Iran Nuke "agreement" not Treaty.

But we wind up punishing ourselves.     The laws and rules never apply to these congressional parasites, they have their armed security, they have their secret money deals with lobbies and worse.    They are exempted from the ZeroCare that was forced upon the entire nation just so the DNC could buy more votes.


The 2016 is a diarrhea-covered shit sandwich,   Bite, Chew, Swallow, Repeat


I'll do what I got to do to allow me and mine to buy more beans, rice, bourbon and bullets, to give the young ones four more years to grow up and be more prepared for the coming world.
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It's always a shit sandwich, and that is how they stay in power.  We always end up voting for the lesser of two evils, and they always stab us in the back.  At some point we have to deal with the pain and quit voting for the bastards.   It's never going to get better if we keep voting for the lesser of two evils.
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But if you got a situation where no one gets 50 percent of the primary delegates it doesn't seem like they would stay with something like the 8 state rule of Rule 40 to my way of thinking because the GOPe HATES Trump and Cruz.

And let's face it...........the delegates are more in the tank with the GOPe than they are with the voters.
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It is reasonable to presume that if there is no nominee after several ballots and there is little movement toward one or the other of the candidates (a "deadlocked" convention) that the rules would be suspended to permit a reopening of nominations.  
After all, as the party elders and the TV talking heads would undoubtedly explain to the folks at home, the party needs to nominate someone and the convention can't go on for weeks. A "compromise candidate" would break the "deadlock".

Will the farce be with the JEBI Knights?

We won't know until the second to the last act.
Link Posted: 4/9/2016 10:59:17 AM EDT
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Bernie is getting hosed WAY MORE.

I can't believe he isn't screaming bloody murder............he appears to be a pussy...........nice man but a fucking pussy.
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Bernie is going to get hosed too.  Put up a third party with Trump/Sanders or Cruz/Sanders and watch the show.  

Bernie is getting hosed WAY MORE.

I can't believe he isn't screaming bloody murder............he appears to be a pussy...........nice man but a fucking pussy.


That "nice" man would have you on the trains and into the showers in a heartbeat.
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You know, you're right.  Hillary is scared shitless about running against Cruz or Trump.  The very thought of having to convince the middle third of the electorate that she's the voice of reason compared to those two polished diplomats makes her piss her undies so often she's wearing Depends.
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If polls were accurate Ron Paul would have won by a landslide in 2008. Polls are meaningless bullshit and a Kasich/Rubio ticket will perform just as poorly as McCain/Palin did but with the added bonus of Trump supporters voting against every other Republican on the ballot in protest. That's the ticket Hillary wants because it will probably give her both houses and then she can really do some damage.




You know, you're right.  Hillary is scared shitless about running against Cruz or Trump.  The very thought of having to convince the middle third of the electorate that she's the voice of reason compared to those two polished diplomats makes her piss her undies so often she's wearing Depends.


It has nothing to do with her losing the general (she's going to win either way likely). It has everything to do with her gaining a Democrat controlled House and Senate.
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I would fucking vote for Bernie out of spite
Link Posted: 4/9/2016 11:05:39 AM EDT
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To include the House & Senate.

The funny part, the R Party will seriously try and figure out "how they lost" everything in a couple years.
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Say goodbye to the republican party.


To include the House & Senate.

The funny part, the R Party will seriously try and figure out "how they lost" everything in a couple years.


They don't care. They get their lifetime pensions and made enough money on dirty side deals while they were in that their future is secure. Not having to show up to do pesky things like vote is a bonus.
Link Posted: 4/9/2016 11:06:46 AM EDT
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It is reasonable to presume that if there is no nominee after several ballots and there is little movement toward one or the other of the candidates (a "deadlocked" convention) that the rules would be suspended to permit a reopening of nominations.  
After all, as the party elders and the TV talking heads would undoubtedly explain to the folks at home, the party needs to nominate someone and the convention can't go on for weeks. A "compromise candidate" would break the "deadlock".

Will the farce be with the JEBI Knights?

We won't know until the second to the last act.
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But if you got a situation where no one gets 50 percent of the primary delegates it doesn't seem like they would stay with something like the 8 state rule of Rule 40 to my way of thinking because the GOPe HATES Trump and Cruz.

And let's face it...........the delegates are more in the tank with the GOPe than they are with the voters.


It is reasonable to presume that if there is no nominee after several ballots and there is little movement toward one or the other of the candidates (a "deadlocked" convention) that the rules would be suspended to permit a reopening of nominations.  
After all, as the party elders and the TV talking heads would undoubtedly explain to the folks at home, the party needs to nominate someone and the convention can't go on for weeks. A "compromise candidate" would break the "deadlock".

Will the farce be with the JEBI Knights?

We won't know until the second to the last act.


It would be worth the price of admission just to see the Cruzbot and Trumptard meltdown.
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