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Posted: 1/23/2023 10:36:34 PM EDT
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Our shop lights have been on for 5 years straight. Owner says it’s cheaper than hiring security
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Posted: 1/23/2023 10:42:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. Idiots. Just flip the main breaker each night. And I am a plumber! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I guarantee there is a breaker or three that would shut the whole thing down and still leave other items on. Exactly. Idiots. Just flip the main breaker each night. And I am a plumber!  |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 10:43:33 PM EDT
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It’s MA, they’ll call a SWAT team if a non-IBEW member replaces a light fixture, let alone mess with a breaker.
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Posted: 1/23/2023 10:44:00 PM EDT
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There's NO WAY this is at all accurate, except for it costing taxpayers a fortune & officials feigning concern, but not caring enough to actually fix it. I'm going to bet the install is out of warranty, the original vendor quoted them a price for a programmer to address it, and they balked or argued it should be fixed for free.
<= Crestron/Extron integrator at a university, in a former life.  |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 10:46:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/23/2023 10:49:37 PM EDT
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If the adults are that stupid just imagine bright their fuckin students are
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Posted: 1/23/2023 10:50:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Building automation is such a shitshow. Causes more problems than it solves Exactly! I always wanted to automate my home since I read about it in Popular Science back in the 70s, but then I worked for a company that installed it in high-end homes in the mid 2000s. Screw that! Between the Lutron, AMX, and half a dozen other companies' equipment, that crap had to be rebooted multiple times a day and had to have multiple patch updates every week, and that was before everything connected to the internet and spied on you. Now, I won't allow any of that crap in my house. |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 10:50:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This requires a MASSIVE explanation. There is no way the NEC allows software to be the only isolation device in a circuit. Software is just code, it still has mechanical switches somewhere and breakers upstream of that. |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 10:51:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: “We are very much aware this is costing taxpayers a significant amount of money, butt fuck them” Aaron Osborne, |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 10:51:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So....turn them off at THE FUCKING BREAKER PANEL?????? Dave, this is highly irregular… |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 10:52:05 PM EDT
[#11]
This is a great story
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Posted: 1/23/2023 10:52:36 PM EDT
[#12]
Massholes are incredibly stupid
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Posted: 1/23/2023 10:53:06 PM EDT
[#13]
Freshman year votech plumbers could shut that shit down.
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Posted: 1/23/2023 10:53:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the adults are that stupid just imagine bright their fuckin students are https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/fee7122deef6b8e964ebc3fa6abeb1de In my building 60% gets you B. A fucking ABOVE AVERAGE PASSING GRADE!!! |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 10:54:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No it doesn't. There is no way the NEC allows software to be the only isolation device in a circuit. Software is just code, it still has mechanical switches somewhere and breakers upstream of that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This requires a MASSIVE explanation. There is no way the NEC allows software to be the only isolation device in a circuit. Software is just code, it still has mechanical switches somewhere and breakers upstream of that. That was my point. 
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Posted: 1/23/2023 10:55:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which begs another question...in the event of fire/flood similar emergency, wouldn't the main electrical (or at the very least the lights) need a main "OFF?" Looks like this: 
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:01:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You do know there IS no breaker panel? The software takes the place of that. It's not THAT simple.  You do realize that the PLC running the "software" still needs power to operate, don't you?  How do you suppose it gets power if it's not connected to a breaker panel somewhere?  Unless they're stealing power from their neighbor, or somehow tapped directly into the power grid like the supervillains do in the movies, there's a breaker or disconnect somewhere upstream. It may have more than just the PLC on it, so shutting it off might cause other issues, but rest assured that there IS a way to shut off and lock out the incoming power. |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:03:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That was my point. I didn't mean to be a dick about it. |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:05:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You do realize that the PLC running the "software" still needs power to operate, don't you? How do you suppose it gets power if it's not connected to a breaker panel somewhere? Unless they're stealing power from their neighbor, or somehow tapped directly into the power grid like the supervillains do in the movies, there's a breaker or disconnect somewhere upstream. It may have more than just the PLC on it, so shutting it off might cause other issues, but rest assured that there IS a way to shut off and lock out the incoming power. |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:09:01 PM EDT
[#20]
When you have a superintendent of finance you have already failed as a district.
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:09:02 PM EDT
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These people educate kids
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:10:39 PM EDT
[#22]
If that's how they run the facility, imagine the quality of graduate being shat out.
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:10:54 PM EDT
[#23]
That's a nice looking school, my schools were all shit holes.
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:11:20 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You do know there IS no breaker panel? The software takes the place of that. It's not THAT simple. |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:11:44 PM EDT
[#25]
lol
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:11:52 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryThat's an interesting breaker. You only have to push the button to cut power? How loud of a pop is it when you push the button?
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:14:21 PM EDT
[#27]
I know the feeling
I have kitchen LED lights that shine on the cathedral ceiling that change color based on the weather. Its crazy |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:16:45 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I know the feeling I have kitchen lED lights that shine on the cathedral ceiling that change color based on the weather. Its crazy You must REALLY hate midnight snackers if you have IED’s in the kitchen. |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:17:00 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lighting is such a large draw I can't imagine it shares breakers with other devices. But who knows. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You do realize that the PLC running the "software" still needs power to operate, don't you? How do you suppose it gets power if it's not connected to a breaker panel somewhere? Unless they're stealing power from their neighbor, or somehow tapped directly into the power grid like the supervillains do in the movies, there's a breaker or disconnect somewhere upstream. It may have more than just the PLC on it, so shutting it off might cause other issues, but rest assured that there IS a way to shut off and lock out the incoming power. He was talking about software, so I was thinking more about the PLC than the actual lights. I would guess that there's a smaller sub-panel somewhere for the control components, but I'm not an electrician, so this is all just an uneducated guess. Now I'm curious how the software does control the lights. I do know that everything has a breaker or disconnect, though. If it didn't, I'd feel bad for the guy who had to install it while hot.
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:18:13 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You do know there IS no breaker panel? The software takes the place of that. It's not THAT simple. |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:18:57 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You must REALLY hate midnight snackers if you have IED’s in the kitchen. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I know the feeling I have kitchen lED lights that shine on the cathedral ceiling that change color based on the weather. Its crazy You must REALLY hate midnight snackers if you have IED’s in the kitchen. you cant be too careful with the price of food these days, though I do keep the eggs in the gun safes |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:19:18 PM EDT
[#32]
Smart people. Much pedigree, very doing all we can to get a lightbulb turned off. Still get paid tho
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:20:42 PM EDT
[#33]
 Third world shit hole. At least the last condition was on less the children be stuck in the dark. I know a guy that could have that thing running in a couple of days. |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:21:34 PM EDT
[#34]
New idea:
Give the kids some pellet rifles every Friday, and install new bulbs every Monday. That should help save money, right?
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:22:02 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He was talking about software, so I was thinking more about the PLC than the actual lights. I would guess that there's a smaller sub-panel somewhere for the control components, but I'm not an electrician, so this is all just an uneducated guess. Now I'm curious how the software does control the lights. I do know that everything has a breaker or disconnect, though. If it didn't, I'd feel bad for the guy who had to install it while hot. |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:23:00 PM EDT
[#36]
That's wicked stupid.
But at least |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:24:26 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's an interesting breaker. You only have to push the button to cut power? How loud of a pop is it when you push the button? No idea, never had to do it! I know some serious safety precautions need to be taken when ypu turn it back on! Bunch of leather gear, huge breaker bar to counteract the spring weight.... |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:26:58 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: PLCs are either 24v or 120v. They can run magnetic contactors that switch whatever voltage the lighting runs on. But there are still breakers for the actual lighting circuits. Our lights are 277v, no idea about the school in the article. |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:27:25 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The National Electric Code was developed to protect people from fires. I am pretty sure the NEC covers schools, which contain people, many of whom are children. Circuit breakers are required to protect circuits from excessive current loads which can result in fires. Light switches, including automated light switches may operate lights automatically or manually, but circuits still need to be protected by breakers. I find it hard to believe that you couldn't kill the majority of lights by turning off breakers. Being Massachusetts I'm going to guess the emergency system is generator backed. This might complicate things depending how that shitshow is wired. |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:27:27 PM EDT
[#40]
A ten year old automation system isn't all that old.
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:28:55 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You do know there IS no breaker panel? The software takes the place of that. It's not THAT simple. Hopefully this was sarcasm, because there's still a break for the lights and the computer interface |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:35:27 PM EDT
[#42]
We had an hvac system in child development center that had no control over temp. Everything was manual. Took one airman and myself 4 days to fix 20 rooms and 2 airhandling systems. Yes it was and early DDC system. It can't be hard to fix.
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:37:04 PM EDT
[#43]
soooo some well meaning but idiot of an engineer/administrator/school board member has delivered the OPPOSITE of what they promised?
sounds about right |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:38:37 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bullshit. AC power for the system comes from somewhere, and that somewhere would be a panel. Somebody had to do it. Thank you! |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:39:56 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: PLCs are either 24v or 120v. They can run magnetic contactors that switch whatever voltage the lighting runs on. But there are still breakers for the actual lighting circuits. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He was talking about software, so I was thinking more about the PLC than the actual lights. I would guess that there's a smaller sub-panel somewhere for the control components, but I'm not an electrician, so this is all just an uneducated guess. Now I'm curious how the software does control the lights. I do know that everything has a breaker or disconnect, though. If it didn't, I'd feel bad for the guy who had to install it while hot. That was my uneducated layman's understanding of it. The PLC would be in a 24v or 120v sub-panel, motion sensors would go to the PLC inputs, and the PLC outputs would operate relays and contactors for each room's or wing's lights. There would be a circuit breaker or disconnect on both the PLC enclosure and the main panel for the lights themselves, so each panel can be locked out as needed. LO/TO is serious business. Am I close, or just making a fool of myself?
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:40:43 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The National Electric Code was developed to protect people from fires. I am pretty sure the NEC covers schools, which contain people, many of whom are children. Circuit breakers are required to protect circuits from excessive current loads which can result in fires. Light switches, including automated light switches may operate lights automatically or manually, but circuits still need to be protected by breakers. I find it hard to believe that you couldn't kill the majority of lights by turning off breakers. |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:42:08 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OSHA would like to have a word with your Lockout/Tagout program Safety has entered the chat. 
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:42:30 PM EDT
[#48]
How fucking stupid are these people?
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:43:00 PM EDT
[#49]
Quoted: WILBRAHAM, Mass. — For nearly a year and a half, a Massachusetts high school has been lit up around the clock because the district can’t turn off the roughly 7,000 lights in the sprawling building. The lighting system was installed at Minnechaug Regional High School when it was built over a decade ago and was intended to save money and energy. But ever since the software that runs it failed on Aug. 24, 2021, the lights in the Springfield suburbs school have been on continuously, costing taxpayers a small fortune. “We are very much aware this is costing taxpayers a significant amount of money,” Aaron Osborne, the assistant superintendent of finance at the Hampden-Wilbraham Regional School District, told NBC News. “And we have been doing everything we can to get this problem solved.” One of the cost-saving measures the school board insisted on was a “green lighting system” run on software installed by a company called 5th Light to control the lights in the building. The system was designed to save energy — and thus save money — by automatically adjusting the lights as needed. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/lights-massachusetts-school-year-no-one-can-turn-rcna65611 
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:45:06 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In my building 60% gets you B. A fucking ABOVE AVERAGE PASSING GRADE!!! The debate club must be intense 
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