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I disagree. It is a power struggle between totalitarian ideologies.

Putin masks his gangsterism behind religion.

The west is hiding their ever expanding corruption and power behind the illusion of democracy.

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I disagree. It is a power struggle between totalitarian ideologies.

Putin masks his gangsterism behind religion.

The west is hiding their ever expanding corruption and power behind the illusion of democracy.

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Russians are a religious people?


Bullshit.

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The Conflict Between The West and Russia is a Religious One

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I disagree. It is a power struggle between totalitarian ideologies.

Putin masks his gangsterism behind religion.

The west is hiding their ever expanding corruption and power behind the illusion of democracy.

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What did I miss? I thought everybody here liked Matt Bracken.

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I came to this thread to say he was full of shit that Russia is Christian.  Then I read it and realized that is his point.  He is correct.  America has become a: LOOK AT ME!   I am Atheist/Agnostic/Pagan because it is cool!  Christianity has killed more people than any other cause.  The founding fathers were not Christian they were Wiccan.  And other bullshit memes.  While American churches stopped preaching the Bible an instead preach what the crowd wants to hear.

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Russia is the leading killer of Christians presently. Christians haven’t died in numbers like this since the Second World War. By all means tell me about how that’s good.

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I don't know if you re Trolling or the product of a Kumbaya church.  Either way, I recommend you actually read the Bible.  You might start with the book of Joshua.

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Tagged. There's a lot I could say here but it'd take more time than I have right now to put it together.

Suffice to say, Russia's version of Christianity has major problems (it's a legalistic perversion of true faith in Christ that gives people like Putin something to grab onto and use for political purposes in the name of traditional values/morality), but in *some* ways is superior to the insanity of the west, and I agree with part of the OP.

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I don't know if you re Trolling or the product of a Kumbaya church.  Either way, I recommend you actually read the Bible.  You might start with the book of Joshua.

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People often forget, ignore or are totally ignorant of history, History.com quoting a NY Times article:


Even after World War II, the anti-religious campaign stormed on for decades, with Bibles forbidden and little to no religious education. Still, by 1987, the New York Times reported, “Soviet officials have begun to admit that they may be losing the battle against religion.”

The Soviet Union’s/Russia’s history of the persecution, torture and murder of the clergy and religious in general do not fit with the current narrative Russia and friends are trying to weave.

Read!!!!!!!!!!

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Wanna back that up with data?

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Soviet = Communist = Government is God.

Marx was an anthiest.

The Russian Empire (Pre-1917) always saw itself as the defender of the Orthodox faith. Go read up on the schism that devided the Church and the Eastern and Western Roman Empire.

The Soviets/Communists failed to squash the Orthodox Church with their ~80 year reign of terror.

Go to an Orthodox service then an American Methodist Service. Then tell me "we're all Christians". One is a religious service the other a feel good jam band with door prizes and fundraising.

At the core you can see cultural and religionus beliefs and how they blend.

"Modern Christian", you're absolved of all sin as long as you live a happy loving life. Be kind and you'll go to heaven!

Islam - you must reject the satanists temptations  and convert the infidels to find salvation.

Orthodox - you must suffer like Jesus - fast, sacrifice and face many hardships, to find salvation.

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In before I'm called a bot or shill!

Matt Bracken posted this today on Gab and, after reading it, I thought it was important for arfcom to get another take on a very touchy subject.

TLDR: GTFO. It's a pretty damn important topic and folks need to understand much of what brought us to where we are today.

The Conflict Between Russia and The West is a Religious One

by Emmet Sweeney for the Saker blog

The war currently underway in Ukraine, which pits Ukraine as a proxy for the collective West against Russia, is primarily an ideological or religious one, with Russia representing what is left of Christian Europe, and “the West” representing a totalitarian ideology that abhors religion in general and Christianity in particular. This statement may sound strange, given the fact that some Westerners – though fewer every day – still see “the West,” (basically Europe and North America) as Christian, and Russia as Communist, or crypto-Communist. But this is no longer the case, and has not been for some considerable time. In fact, the thirty years that have passed since the fall of the Berlin Wall and the end of the Soviet Union, has seen a complete reversal of roles; the collective West is now a totalitarian and aggressively anti-religious power-block that seeks to export its anti-Christian and anti-human ideology onto the rest of the world. And Russia is loathed by the West’s ruling elite precisely because it has resisted this process and moreover has gone in the opposite direction: having once been an active proponent of “scientific materialism” and atheism, Russia has reverted to its Orthodox Christian roots and has rolled back the more pernicious policies and attitudes of the Soviet era.

In order to demonstrate the truth of this, we need to look at the history of Russia and its interaction with the West since the early 1990s.

By 1991, when the Soviet Union was officially abolished, it was clear that the West had won the Cold War. Russia itself, under its new president Boris Yeltsin, openly proclaimed the end of all hostilities. Russia’s satellites in Eastern Europe were permitted to go their own way, and autonomous republics within the Soviet Union were allowed to declare themselves independent countries. The old Soviet system of state ownership was officially abolished, and almost everything was privatized. The press and media in general were freed of all censorship and could now say whatever they wanted. Russia under Yeltsin reached out the hand of friendship to the West – a gesture that was not reciprocated and ultimately snubbed by the West...

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I don't know if you re Trolling or the product of a Kumbaya church.  Either way, I recommend you actually read the Bible.  You might start with the book of Joshua.

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The fact you can sit here and call your own country totalitarian and authoritarian says he's wrong. You are still free to practice whatever religion you want.

Totalitarian regimes arrest people for speaking out against them. Like this.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/08/24/russian-opposition-figure-roizman-detained-for-criticism-of-ukraine-invasion-a78642


Yevgeny Roizman, a former opposition mayor of one of Russia's largest cities, was detained Wednesday on criminal charges related to his public criticism of the invasion of Ukraine, media outlets reported.

Ex-Yekaterinburg mayor Roizman said he was being charged under legislation that forbids the "discreditation" of the Russian Armed Forces. If found guilty, he faces up to five years in prison.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/08/25/exile-fines-or-jail-censorship-laws-take-heavy-toll-on-anti-war-russians-a78594

ETA- yes, America and the West have issues. No, Russia is not representing Christianity in any way. I just read the first paragraph to my wife. My Russian wife. And she's laughing at how gullible Americans are.

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The Catholic and Orthodox churches are in full communion.

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with Russia representing what is left of Christian Europe

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In before I'm called a bot or shill!

Matt Bracken posted this today on Gab and, after reading it, I thought it was important for arfcom to get another take on a very touchy subject.

TLDR: GTFO. It's a pretty damn important topic and folks need to understand much of what brought us to where we are today.

The Conflict Between Russia and The West is a Religious One

by Emmet Sweeney for the Saker blog

The war currently underway in Ukraine, which pits Ukraine as a proxy for the collective West against Russia, is primarily an ideological or religious one, with Russia representing what is left of Christian Europe, and “the West” representing a totalitarian ideology that abhors religion in general and Christianity in particular. This statement may sound strange, given the fact that some Westerners – though fewer every day – still see “the West,” (basically Europe and North America) as Christian, and Russia as Communist, or crypto-Communist. But this is no longer the case, and has not been for some considerable time. In fact, the thirty years that have passed since the fall of the Berlin Wall and the end of the Soviet Union, has seen a complete reversal of roles; the collective West is now a totalitarian and aggressively anti-religious power-block that seeks to export its anti-Christian and anti-human ideology onto the rest of the world. And Russia is loathed by the West’s ruling elite precisely because it has resisted this process and moreover has gone in the opposite direction: having once been an active proponent of “scientific materialism” and atheism, Russia has reverted to its Orthodox Christian roots and has rolled back the more pernicious policies and attitudes of the Soviet era.

In order to demonstrate the truth of this, we need to look at the history of Russia and its interaction with the West since the early 1990s.

By 1991, when the Soviet Union was officially abolished, it was clear that the West had won the Cold War. Russia itself, under its new president Boris Yeltsin, openly proclaimed the end of all hostilities. Russia’s satellites in Eastern Europe were permitted to go their own way, and autonomous republics within the Soviet Union were allowed to declare themselves independent countries. The old Soviet system of state ownership was officially abolished, and almost everything was privatized. The press and media in general were freed of all censorship and could now say whatever they wanted. Russia under Yeltsin reached out the hand of friendship to the West – a gesture that was not reciprocated and ultimately snubbed by the West...

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Laughable.  Russia is a Communist country mascarading as a gas station.  And yes, Russia still has Lenin on display in his Masoleum in Moscow, and there are moves in the Russian Orthodox Church to canonize Lenin and Stalin as saints. BTW the Russian Orthodox Church was penetrated by the KGB, and is still FSB run.  Also Putin said that Communism is compatible with Christanity.

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Totally not Russian propaganda site:

https://dxczjjuegupb.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/static/banner_iceland.jpg

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I am actually rereading the bible or i guess kind of actually reading it for myself the first time.
I have made it through that book and I don't think the Israelites conquest of the promised land is necessarily in keeping with the teachings of Jesus and is very different contextually.

Has Putin gotten a command from God and the Russians are the chosen people?

You do have somewhat of a point in that war has been a large part of Christianity but I don't think that was what Jesus was teaching.
Jesus didn't ostracize and join in the stoning of harlots he helped stay the hands of those who would.