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Posted: 9/29/2019 8:07:29 PM EDT
 MV-22's Retractable Belly Gun: 360°, Remote Controlled, HELLISH Firepower From The Sky 50cal gun runs  V22 Osprey gun practice on Donna nook. TRACER FIRE!! |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 8:11:03 PM EDT
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Neat. Thanks for posting
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Posted: 9/29/2019 8:12:09 PM EDT
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gun is cool airframe is a pos
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Posted: 9/29/2019 8:16:51 PM EDT
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Damn them things is ugly.
Was the .50 being shot from the loading bay? |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 8:18:09 PM EDT
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I always thought a 20mm Cobra chin turret on an extended nose would be cool. Would probably f#@k up aerodynamics though.
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Posted: 9/29/2019 8:18:41 PM EDT
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According to a friend who is a retired Chief Master Sergeant, every attempt to mount a gun on the Osprey has been a giant failure.
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Posted: 9/29/2019 8:18:44 PM EDT
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gun is cool airframe is a pos Kharn |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 8:19:19 PM EDT
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Remind anyone else of Terminator?
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Posted: 9/29/2019 8:19:47 PM EDT
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gun is cool airframe is a pos 
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Posted: 9/29/2019 8:23:07 PM EDT
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gun is cool airframe is a pos |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 8:26:21 PM EDT
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Uh huh Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/29/2019 8:27:09 PM EDT
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gun is cool airframe is a pos 
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Posted: 9/29/2019 8:29:48 PM EDT
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LAAR as an Osprey escort would be a hell of a lot more effective. And could have done a hell of a lot faster, and possibly cheaper.
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Posted: 9/29/2019 8:33:03 PM EDT
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 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYJML71QQbo
50cal gun runs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEbPsWd3Wm8 |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 8:34:48 PM EDT
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gun is cool airframe is a pos |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 8:36:00 PM EDT
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Don't be fooled! It's a POS!!!
ETA the weapon system is a POS |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 8:36:38 PM EDT
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Why is it a pos? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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gun is cool airframe is a pos |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 8:38:48 PM EDT
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Don't be fooled! It's a POS!!! ETA the weapon system is a POS |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 8:39:02 PM EDT
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I remember the gunship concept they had in the early 80's. The brochure had the gunship providing cover while the v22 dropped off troops at a hot LZ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYJML71QQbo
50cal gun runs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEbPsWd3Wm8I mean 1 minigun and rear mounted .50 doesn't seem like much. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 8:43:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: GAU-19? Cool in concept, not so much in execution. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 8:45:12 PM EDT
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According to a friend who is a retired Chief Master Sergeant, every attempt to mount a gun on the Osprey has been a giant failure. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 8:48:53 PM EDT
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now all they need to do is get rid of the stupid controller and give that man a mouse!
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Posted: 9/29/2019 8:51:22 PM EDT
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now all they need to do is get rid of the stupid controller and give that man a mouse! 
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Posted: 9/29/2019 8:52:19 PM EDT
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now all they need to do is get rid of the stupid controller and give that man a mouse! Kharn |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 8:52:33 PM EDT
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Would want to be on the receiving end of either, but seems like pretty retarded platforms for a gunship
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Posted: 9/29/2019 8:59:53 PM EDT
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Wouldn't you want several cannon and rocket pods for a gunship? I mean 1 minigun and rear mounted .50 doesn't seem like much. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYJML71QQbo
50cal gun runs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEbPsWd3Wm8I mean 1 minigun and rear mounted .50 doesn't seem like much. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 9:00:27 PM EDT
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There was talk of using GAU-21 (the 50cal you see firing from the ramp in the second vid) for the belly config as well, but I dont know what ever came of it. The mini gun setup is... less than ideal from what I have been told. Between motion sickness for the operators, interface issues, and limitations of the system if I recall correctly. GAU-21 would make more sense along with perhaps the integration of some other defensive and offensive armament subsystems.
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Posted: 9/29/2019 9:00:42 PM EDT
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I don't understand why they need all that bullshit?
can't they just strap something on under the nose and call it a day?... maybe a package strapped to the side like a Huey? Jesus, that looks like the most expensive, complicated, complex, solution imaginable... and the pilot/co can't operate it against threats that pop up..? |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 9:06:14 PM EDT
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Would want to be on the receiving end of either, but seems like pretty retarded platforms for a gunship |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 9:20:43 PM EDT
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Why not just stick a ball turret from a B-24 on it? No silly PlayStation controller, twin .50s, and I would think more aerodynamic.
Isn't there a smaller tiltroter in development designed as escort? |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 9:31:54 PM EDT
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Look at all those people having to service it. Too complex. Carry more troops instead.
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Posted: 9/29/2019 9:39:25 PM EDT
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I don’t see this surviving long in service.
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Posted: 9/29/2019 9:40:47 PM EDT
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Look at all those people having to service it. Too complex. Carry more troops instead. 
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Posted: 9/29/2019 9:43:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not a gunship. That's just defensive armament so it can get in and get out, same as door guns on a SH60 or CH47. It's especially needed on Osprey given that it can out range its support. Cobra's or other rotary wing A/C may not have the range to provide top cover while the Osprey's are shitting Marines out the back. /arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-mco.s3.amazonaws.com/public/LK63H4N7NNC7NGYVGHPRXNHZQM.jpg)
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Posted: 9/29/2019 9:45:25 PM EDT
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Great, a worse AC-130 that can crash without MANPAD assistance. Brilliant!
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Posted: 9/29/2019 9:46:51 PM EDT
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Why not just stick a ball turret from a B-24 on it? No silly PlayStation controller, twin .50s, and I would think more aerodynamic. Isn't there a smaller tiltroter in development designed as escort? DOD has Future Vertical Lift (FVL) in the works, but that program is still in it's infancy. Sikorsky and Bell have been working on prototypes for some of the requirements, but I think you are still looking at 10-20 years out before you start seeing any of those coming on line, not sure as I havent been following the programs very closely. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 9:53:37 PM EDT
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These would. And be faster and much cheaper to fly. https://www.armytimes.com/resizer/0EthD0N3ufDtCboMhAP8vF2sH68=/1200x0/filters:quality(100)/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-mco.s3.amazonaws.com/public/LK63H4N7NNC7NGYVGHPRXNHZQM.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: It's not a gunship. That's just defensive armament so it can get in and get out, same as door guns on a SH60 or CH47. It's especially needed on Osprey given that it can out range its support. Cobra's or other rotary wing A/C may not have the range to provide top cover while the Osprey's are shitting Marines out the back. https://www.armytimes.com/resizer/0EthD0N3ufDtCboMhAP8vF2sH68=/1200x0/filters:quality(100)/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-mco.s3.amazonaws.com/public/LK63H4N7NNC7NGYVGHPRXNHZQM.jpg |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 9:57:13 PM EDT
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I would feel way more confident getting dropped off by a traditional helicopter with some Apache or cobra escorts.
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Posted: 9/29/2019 10:03:00 PM EDT
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I would feel way more confident getting dropped off by a traditional helicopter with some Apache or cobra escorts. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 10:06:22 PM EDT
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I always get a freedom boner watching an Osprey transition - no other military in the world can match that tech. And we make it look easy.
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Posted: 9/29/2019 10:06:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: These would. And be faster and much cheaper to fly. https://www.armytimes.com/resizer/0EthD0N3ufDtCboMhAP8vF2sH68=/1200x0/filters:quality(100)/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-mco.s3.amazonaws.com/public/LK63H4N7NNC7NGYVGHPRXNHZQM.jpg  2 50cal M3P in the wings and then your choice of gun pods (50cal HMP400), rockets (M260/LAU-7), combo (FN RMP - M3P + 3 70mm rockets on each), AtG missiles like Maverick, and MK8x GP bombs or guided variants, or drop tanks. Hard to argue with 4 1000RPM 50cal full of Mk211, 6 laser guided 70mm rockets, a GP bomb, and some drop tanks on an aircraft that costs less to operate and starring too hard at an F35B. I dont know that it'd be workable in every context since the Marines need to be able to operate from smaller sea going platforms, but it's travesty we still havent bought a large number of inexpensive, highly capable light attack/CAS aircraft for permissive environments. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 10:08:22 PM EDT
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These would. And be faster and much cheaper to fly. https://www.armytimes.com/resizer/0EthD0N3ufDtCboMhAP8vF2sH68=/1200x0/filters:quality(100)/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-mco.s3.amazonaws.com/public/LK63H4N7NNC7NGYVGHPRXNHZQM.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: It's not a gunship. That's just defensive armament so it can get in and get out, same as door guns on a SH60 or CH47. It's especially needed on Osprey given that it can out range its support. Cobra's or other rotary wing A/C may not have the range to provide top cover while the Osprey's are shitting Marines out the back. https://www.armytimes.com/resizer/0EthD0N3ufDtCboMhAP8vF2sH68=/1200x0/filters:quality(100)/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-mco.s3.amazonaws.com/public/LK63H4N7NNC7NGYVGHPRXNHZQM.jpg Kharn |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 10:08:45 PM EDT
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I don't understand why they need all that bullshit? can't they just strap something on under the nose and call it a day?... maybe a package strapped to the side like a Huey? Jesus, that looks like the most expensive, complicated, complex, solution imaginable... and the pilot/co can't operate it against threats that pop up..? |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 10:17:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IIRC, the units that got them and tested them in combat removed them because they just weren't useful. Witha V-22, which is fast, you can just fly away. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 10:32:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not a gunship. That's just defensive armament so it can get in and get out, same as door guns on a SH60 or CH47. It's especially needed on Osprey given that it can out range its support. Cobra's or other rotary wing A/C may not have the range to provide top cover while the Osprey's are shitting Marines out the back. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 10:33:39 PM EDT
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How's the hovering capability of the Osprey?
Can it perform fast rope or recovery (ladder, SPIES, baskets) the same as a uh-60? |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 10:41:26 PM EDT
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Sit too long in an LZ with grass and it makes it's own smokescreen.
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Posted: 9/29/2019 10:42:37 PM EDT
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... Wrong engineers up to the task Quote HistoryQuoted:
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According to a friend who is a retired Chief Master Sergeant, every attempt to mount a gun on the Osprey has been a giant failure. Installed by parts is parts people with a bad notion of "that looks right". Zero fundamentals applied. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 10:51:09 PM EDT
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In the 1980s, the Osprey was intended to be fielded with a .50 cal Gatling gun. The weapon was dropped to "save money".
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Posted: 9/29/2019 11:08:01 PM EDT
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cool if real I smell a stealth a10 in the future
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Posted: 9/30/2019 5:46:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not gonna work. Survivability concerns aside, the belly sits way to close too the ground to make a conventional turret workable. It's also what makes a cued gun setup like M230 or even something smaller like GAU-21 or GAU-19 or minigun mounted under the nose impractical. Hence the use of what is effectively an inverted RWS that folds in and out of the AC. The inverted RWS concept can work, it just needs to be the right one, with the right user interface, and the right gun, ie something that can give standoff, denisity of fire, terminal effects, and be reliable without driving the weight through the roof. DOD has Future Vertical Lift (FVL) in the works, but that program is still in it's infancy. Sikorsky and Bell have been working on prototypes for some of the requirements, but I think you are still looking at 10-20 years out before you start seeing any of those coming on line, not sure as I havent been following the programs very closely. |
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