There has been talks of limiting military training of civilians via legislation in a few states.

But you missed the point.  You guys are all getting bent over principal over nothing.  Nothing has happened yet!  Holy shit.  Stand together or fall.

Thats the whole point of this "boycott" thing.

There can't be two classes of citizens. If its good enough for Frank the welder in Syracuse it's good enough for officer Bob in The city.

I've been saying the same fucking thing since the ArmaLite shit started.  Motherfuckers around here have no problem tearing down the same companies that help us.  It's shameful.

There are way too many hypotheticals for people to be freaking out like they are.  Pissed at the legislators, pissed at the companies, the next step is to be in a remote cabin writing a manifesto.

So work with politicians to carve your own protections out......

I had a missing part from my NIB magpul ACS stock and emailed them asking if I could get a replacement. Never received a response. This was pre-newtown so that's no excuse. Like a good fanboi I overlooked it but wasn't happy. Now this garbage has cinched it for me. Won't be buying Magpul anything again.

I'll give you an example. Two very pro-LEO companies, LaRue Tactical and Bravo Company, have taken the stance that they will not sell to states anything private citizens cannot have in those states. Midway USA and many others have also taken this position. Do you think these companies are doing it out of LEO hate?




ETA: Even the AR15.com store isn't selling stuff to ban states that the citizens can't have.





 

the politicians won't be arresting people over the mags, that job is for the cops...with the pmags.

That's the issue you want to fight right now.

That is not the issue at hand right now though.

That is where we disagree.

You want to take away from the police because the citizens were taken away from. I want to restore to the civilians and leave the police alone. I feel taking away the right to self defense is wrong.

Oh no! Cops with peemags. How unfair!

Sometimes it takes pressure for other sources than joe blow. It takes some news worthy events. Im not saying Magpul should t sell in those states I'm saying sell what's legal for the normal guy and nothing else. Maybe I'm insane I don't know, but this fight is serious it's not a joke any ore and I just don't have any sympathy for anyone or anything that's not firmly for the private non Leo/mil owning the same thing the .gov does.

Both direct sellers with virtually zero dealer or distribution network selling specialized product lines.


Easy for them to do so.


Not so much for companies that use distributor channels and have contracts with resellers....

Agreed, 100%.

Let's get Frank the welder back up to officer Bob's level instead of dragging officer Bob down to Frank the welder's wronged level.

I hope you all cancel your pmag orders, more for me.  

Oh, and I hope my join date and post count is acceptable for some gd cry babies on here to post that response.


OH SNAP I FORGOT! I ONLY HAVE A FREE MEMBERSHIP!!!!! SOMEONE PUT A BULLET IN  MY HEAD!!!

That's what we're trying to convey, stand together or fall. That's not standing together when one class of civilians are deemed more worthy than others.

I would hardly call any of Costas videos military training and you ducked my question poorly.

You seem very aggressive, watch one too many Max Hardcore videos?

That would be a valid point if Magpul wasn't selling direct to LEOs.



 

I do not dissagree but it is premature.  Do this if a ban passes.   Do not do it now when we need full support including LEO.  This boycott only reinforeces the "us vs them" mentality.

The focus now needs to be exclusively united against the politicians.

I agree but sometimes you've got to knock down Bob to realize why Frank should be picked back up. There's nothing wrong with that but hey we've all got opinions lets just hope we keep going in the right direction before we're all fucked.

You missed the sarcasm in my first post.  

I'll just ban my responses to you,

It doesn't matter

Putting pressure on LE puts pressure on the gov.

Do whatever you want. It's still a somewhat free country. Magpul is obviously a pro 2nd A company, but their decisions have made it to where I no longer personally support them. I wish them well but for the time being it won't be with my money.  



 

So the posturing has everything to do with money and nothing to do with principles. Predictable.

You are misguided.  You cannot expect them to have 100% compatible views or understanding as you.

This whole "no to LE in ban states" thing is fairly new, and it is unfair to expect businesses to understand the meme.  I understand that Barrett has done it for a while now, but their products are unique enough that nobody else could take their place.

You are tossing out an ally on the side of the road opinion the desert because they made fun of your radio presets.  Holy shit guys.  Get your shit together!

I'm not getting this?  IL has no magazine ban yet....

Exactly.

I want LEOs to have the best equipment available but, with me reading the 2nd for what it actually means, us other civilians HAVE to be allowed to own the same equipment.

This is a bigger risk for Magpul than it is for Armalite, Magpul was built by private citizens blinging their rifles.  I doubt the various LEO agencies are going to buy enough iphone cases and angled foregrips to keep them in business.

No it has to do with who is allowed cooler guns.  Gpeven more predictable.

I'm thoroughly convinced that if you take a standard capacity mag to New York and show it to any random LEO, there's an extremely high probability that you'll be arrested and brought up on felony charges.

Dancing around throwing out red herrings like "FEMA trains" won't change that.

Magpul is starting to go Tapco on us anyway.

Pmags are nice and I own a bunch, but thy do nothing but look cool and scratch you gun less than a GI mag when sticking out of a chest rig.

Doesn't seem to be that hard for another mag manufacturer and the rest of the list.



1.LaRue Tactical  2-8-13


2.Olympic Arms 2-12-13


3.Extreme Firepower Inc, LLC (Per EFI, policy is several years old)


4.Templar Custom 2-13-13


5.York Arms 2-13-13


6.Cheaper Than Dirt 2-15-13


7.Bullwater Enterprises 2-16-13


8.West Fork Armory 2-16-13


9.Smith Enterprise 2-17-13


10.Alex Arms 2-17-13


11.Spike’s Tactical 2-18-13


12.Quality Arms Idaho 2-19-13


13.Liberty Suppressors 2-19-13


14.Doublestar Corp 2-19-13 (Includes J&T Distributing & Ace LTD)


15.American Spirit Arms 2-19-13 (complete with a video!)


16.Trident Armory 2-17-13 (reported to me 2-20-13)


17.Head Down Products 2-20-13


18.J&G Sales 2-20-13


19.Barrett Firearms 2-20-13


20.Exile Machine 2-20-13


21.Tier One Arms 2-15-13 (reported to me 2-20-13)


22.Bravo Company USA 2-20-13


23.Primary Weapons Systems 2-21-13 (read my blog post on PWS)


24.Crusader Weaponry 2-20-13


25.Top Gun Supply 2-21-13


26.Kiss Tactical 2-21-13


27.Clark Fork Tactical 2-21-13


28.OFA Tactical 2-17-13 (reported to me 2-21-13)


29.One Source Tactical 2-21-13 (Scroll down to shipping restrictions)


30.Templar Tactical Arms 2-12-13 (reported 2-21-13)


31.NEMO Arms 2-21-13 (check out their photo!)


32.Old Grouch’s Military Surplus 1-15-13 (NOT a typo!)


33.Big Horn Armory 2-22-13


34.Midway USA 2-22-13


35.CMMG Inc 2-22-13


36.Rocky Top Tactical 2-22-13


37.Badger Peak 2-22-13


38.Controlled Chaos Arms 2-22-13


39.SRT Arms 2-22-13


40.Norton Firearms 2-22-13


41.Umlaut Industries 2-22-13


42.Predator Intelligence 2-2-13 (Read comments)


43.Citizen Arms 2-23-13 (At the bottom of the page)


44.Evolution Weaponry 2-17-13


45.Chaos Arms 2-23-13


46.Warbirds Custom Guns 2-23-13 (Scroll to the bottom)


47.JBTAC 2-23-13


48.Stoner Arms 2-22-13


49.Ammoclip (Date of policy unknown)


50.3 Rivers Precision 2-22-13


51.2A Firearms 2-22-13


52.Lanco Tactical 2-22-13


53.Predator Tactical 2-23-13


54.Arrowhead Shooting Sports 2-23-13


55.Boise Tactical 2-23-13


56.Huntertown Arms 2-23-13


57.Lauer Custom Weaponry 2-22-13 (PDF) (Makers of DuraCoat)


58.556 Tactical 2-23-13


59.Iron Goat Guns 2-16-13


60.Dead Bang Guns (Date of policy unknown)


61.Southern Appalachian Arms 2-15-13


62.Thunder Beast Arms (2-22-13)


63.Delmarva Shooting Supply 2-23-13


64.OJ’s Gun Shop 2-23-13


65.OCS Guns 2-23-13


66.Progressive Micro Devices (Special case, read my post)


67.Semper Fi Arms 2-22-13


68.Climags (Unknown date. Scroll to "Why was my order cancelled?”)


69.Southwest Shooting Authority 2-8-13


70.Csspecs Magazines 2-24-13


71.MFI 2-25-13


72.Critical Survival 2-24-13


73.DogLeg Arms 2-25-13


74.Victory Defense Consulting 2-25-13


75.GWACS Armory 2-24-13


76.Allegiance Ammunition 2-22-13


77.2A Armament 2-22-13


78.Daniel Byer FFL 2-24-13


79.Black Mountain Survival 2-25-13


80.Hill Country Black Rifles 2-25-13


81.Big Sky Ammunition 1-1-13


82.Allstar Tactical 2-25-13


83.Precision Firearms 2-25-13


84.Alpine Guns 2-25-13


85.Umbrella Corp 2-25-13


86.Bison Armory 2-25-13


87.3RI Technologies 2-25-13


88.The Tactical Toolbox 2-25-13


89.JCW Industries (Unknown)


90.Volquartsen Custom (Unknown)


91.Paige Firearms 2-25-13


92.Franklin Armory 2-22-13


93.West Michigan Tactical 2-26-13


94.West Acre Sporting Goods 2-26-13


95.Shade’s Landing 2-14-13


96.GunUp 2-27-13


97.RL Hydro-Graphix 2-27-13


98.Jeremy Kupper’s Gunsmithing 2-26-13


99.Hansohn Brothers 2-27-13


100.Deep South Ammo 2-27-13






 

Who cares?

2/3 of that list are nobodies jumping on the bandwagon.

BCM, J G Sales, Larue, Midway, CMMG, Olympic, Spikes and some of the others are not small entities.





 

<shrug>

They'll be getting my money in the future and Magpul won't unless they reconsider their decision.  

This could be a very profitable move for the "nobodies" since a few "somebodies" seem intent on pissing off their customer base.

You guys don't even have a clear argument.


This is all about looking like a super 2A badass on arfcom, while barely concealing an assortment of weak biases and weaknesses.


This is not the time or place for this bullshit.  Knock it off, you were not buying any of their products anyways.  You just want to hear yourself and get quoted by other posters.


Wtf

Oh yeah I really trust Cheaper than Dirt to actually live up to this promise

Wanna buy a bridge?  The owners won't sell to cops in ban states.


Olympic? What kind of dept buys olympic AR's?

What about Bravo Company? Because ban state LEOs won't be getting those either.





 

I buy, or did buy, their products. I won't now. I'm not one to say on things like this you're wrong and I'm right so shut the fuck up. I understand what you're saying, I don't agree but whatever. I can't in my mind support a company that will treat people as seperate classes. Right now their saying LEO is entitled to something they'd arrest a non LEO for. I don't and can't agree with that. If they want to sell the exact same shit to everyone fine. But to sell banned items to LEO is a no go for me. YMMV of course.

Well I don't suppose they had a choice when the GD Cheetos dust brigade showed up with torches and pitch forks and demanded that they declared their allegiance or face a thread like this,,.....

Yes, I was actually buying their products.

We get it, you still like them. Hell, I've got some of the original magpuls when they came to market and have dropped coin with them ever since. Why even pop into these threads looking to be a white night?

Go find a thread you'd be more comfortable in, perhaps in the HOTD forum?

Magpul, or any other company for that matter, can sell 30-round mags to Bloomberg and Feinstein's attack dogs, or they can sell them to me.




Now you're a very bright and special boy, Dan, but please sit down and be quiet while adults are talking.

Either I don't own any guns and my high post count is from posting lots of dumb videos or I am a competitive shooter that did a match last weekend with Magpul parts on my gun and my post count is from going back and forth with people that just don't get it.

The sentiment behind this whole thing is sound but its misdirected.  Everyone needs to be focusing on other ways of hitting where it hurts.  Agencies are likely to not give much of a crap and even if they do, most don't have political pull to affect anything.  This is just the latest fad for GD to get their rocks off.  That probably sounds like I'm against the idea, which isn't true.  But I also know a lot of good LE guys in ban states that this could affect.  And that's the problem....it doesn't hurt the agencies (who may or may not have any pull where it counts) it only hurts the individual who wants to do his job.

FIFY and agencies are made up of people.





 

Do his job with 7 rounds or get busy helping the average fella overturn the ridiculous law.

I've got about 6 peemags left.  I have 10 USGI mags for each one.  I think I have a. Moe handguard too.

Far from a fan,   I can take them or leave them.

I'm here because you guys are burning down your own clubhouse.m it's like when there is a riot and everyone burns down the grocery store and pharmacy in their neighborhood, then sit around saying "wtf oops" after the dust settles.  Pure chestthumping counterproductive bullshit.

Why are they obligated to help you fight the law?

I'll just add them to the "no buy" list. I spent $600 last week at various places that supported people like me in NYS, I'm very easily able to skip those people who don't want to help me.