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Dog better be packin' heat.
If you're sniffing for mine and making me leave it at home - I expect to be protected! Although I'm willing to bet - gun or no gun - I still smell like them on the regular. |
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I could easily see this quietly phased out at MoA for being “racist”.
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Quoted: Are they effective? Traveling there soon and seriously debating if carrying is going to be an issue. View Quote The mall is posted but there is a legal debate if a landlord can post legally. I think the argument is that every store individually would need to post. Not sure if there have been any test cases. Concealed means concealed or better yet, don't go. |
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Quoted: That's only in Gecko45's fantasy of mall security. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I googled mall of america security. Do they really openly carry rifles and have a range at the mall? That's only in Gecko45's fantasy of mall security. There are days when people are walking around with M4 style rifles. I’m sure their main job isn’t mall security. |
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Quoted: There are days when people are walking around with M4 style rifles. I’m sure their main job isn’t mall security. View Quote The legend lives on. |
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I would prefer gun shooting Eli Dickens over gun sniffing dogs to protect a mall.
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View Quote I’m not sure what you are getting at. I’ll get a picture next time I see them. |
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Quoted: IDK the laws on the area. Can you lose your CCW or right to carry if you go armed somewhere that private owners don't want you to? The places converting CCW licenses over to allow you to carry where private people say don't do it seems interesting. View Quote All depends on the state. Here in Florida all they can do is ask you to leave. Now, if you don't leave you are trespass while armed which is a felony. |
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The few times I go to the MOA I never see the proper signs (or any signs) banning guns and I always conceal when I'm there.
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Might be good practice location for someone who wants to train to pass the government's gun sniffing dogs.
I'm always looking for the silver lining like that. |
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We had them on many of our details back when we were doing large events. Plain clothes, they never acknowledged any of us.
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That's not true. I've had a chance to interact with them and ask a trainer questions. They will hit on any series of things that are gun related including solvents and gun lubricants. Once you truly appreciate how advanced a dog's sense of smell is, it is mind blowing. They even have dogs trained to locate electronic devices like phones and hard drives. |
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Quoted: The mall is posted but there is a legal debate if a landlord can post legally. I think the argument is that every store individually would need to post. Not sure if there have been any test cases. Concealed means concealed or better yet, don't go. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Are they effective? Traveling there soon and seriously debating if carrying is going to be an issue. The mall is posted but there is a legal debate if a landlord can post legally. I think the argument is that every store individually would need to post. Not sure if there have been any test cases. Concealed means concealed or better yet, don't go. As far as I know, MN is still luckily in the group that the posted signs don't really carry any weight of the law. They can ask you to leave, and then only if you raise a stink and refuse to leave, they can trespass you for a misdemeanor, but that's about it. Shouldn't be an issue to carry there so long as you're okay with leaving if you get sniffed and asked to leave. Granted, I think the Dems are trying to change that where those signs are actually legally binding, but I don't think they've been able to shoehorn that one in yet, thankfully. With the way the MoA has degraded, an upstanding citizen carrying while peacefully going about their shopping is probably going to be low on the priority list for security to swing their dick about, compared to the probably daily scuffles amongst the groups of rowdy youths. |
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When visiting my folks in MN my wife and I will go to MoA. I always carry and my wife has a service dog (German shepherd) due to a pretty severe feinting issue. Needless to say, when the MoA police with the dogs see us they immediately divert and go another direction.
It appears her service dog does more than just her training now as I believe protocol is for the k9's to avoid service animals entirely. Which makes sense to me in a lot of ways. Good for us I guess. Now, my dog would have no issue with another dog, as she's trained to ignore them, but it seems the officers with a k9 just avoid us. This has happened multiple times at the mall and others. So I just keep on carrying my gun. Especially with some of the major violent crime that has happened at that mall. |
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I was just there, I had no problems. It's the guys at the doors searching bags and asking you to lift your shirt that will get you.
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Quoted: As far as I know, MN is still luckily in the group that the posted signs don't really carry any weight of the law. They can ask you to leave, and then only if you raise a stink and refuse to leave, they can trespass you for a misdemeanor, but that's about it. Shouldn't be an issue to carry there so long as you're okay with leaving if you get sniffed and asked to leave. Granted, I think the Dems are trying to change that where those signs are actually legally binding, but I don't think they've been able to shoehorn that one in yet, thankfully. With the way the MoA has degraded, an upstanding citizen carrying while peacefully going about their shopping is probably going to be low on the priority list for security to swing their dick about, compared to the probably daily scuffles amongst the groups of rowdy youths. View Quote This is correct. Signs are to be ignored except in governmental facilities and carry no weight of law. If asked to leave, leave and inform them that I fringements on the rights of law abiding citizens Wil have your money going elsewhere. That said, why would you voluntarily give money to people that hate you and your rights, much less a place like MOA that is obscenely overpriced and rife with shitheads? Don't go. If you disregard that and go anyways, load heavy. With how vibrant it is the MOA may as well be North Minneapolis. |
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Quoted: They do that here, seen the signs in several states. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/135145/9grih6u8a9v71-2193230.jpg View Quote Do they then assume the responsibility for a shopper security, if they remove the ability for the shopper to defend themself? Are we able, as the now defenseless have the right to see their security measures? Or is it a case of "Don't like it, get out" kinda thing? |
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As Evolv grows it will not surprise me when the bigger malls all have them at their entrances.
Especially states where it is legal to carry into a building unless someone there asks you to not carry. Using Evolv, they can stop people at the entrance and make them take their guns to the car. |
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The Mall of America is for kids and women. There is no circumstance in which on a day off I would feel the urge to go there.
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big mall here does it now after they had a high profile shooting. no one goes there anymore.
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Quoted: From what I understand any government facility that bans guns can charge you (like a courthouse) but for private property like malls they will ask you to leave and if you refuse to leave at that point you can be charged with trespassing and possibly more. My rule of thumb is to carry everywhere except where metal detectors or pat-downs are expected and if I'm caught and asked to leave a private property I'm not going to argue and just leave. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just don’t admit to anything and tell them to get bent, they have no right to search or pat you down. Then get the F out if you’re in a place where they want to arrest people for carrying at a mall. IDK the laws on the area. Can you lose your CCW or right to carry if you go armed somewhere that private owners don't want you to? The places converting CCW licenses over to allow you to carry where private people say don't do it seems interesting. From what I understand any government facility that bans guns can charge you (like a courthouse) but for private property like malls they will ask you to leave and if you refuse to leave at that point you can be charged with trespassing and possibly more. My rule of thumb is to carry everywhere except where metal detectors or pat-downs are expected and if I'm caught and asked to leave a private property I'm not going to argue and just leave. This is state dependent - here valid no guns signs have force of law and could in theory in $1,000 fine ( likely ) and 6 mo in jail (unlikely) |
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Spread a baggie worth of old crap powder outside the entrance for people to pick up on their shoes and track all over the mall.
Even go as far as spreading it inside the mall. Get a string of Black Cats and light them off. The remaining paper should have enough residue to perk up the pups. Spread that around. Fuck with them endlessly. |
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I wont go to a mall without my gun.
I guess I wont go to malls anymore. Oh, well. |
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Quoted: The mall is posted but there is a legal debate if a landlord can post legally. I think the argument is that every store individually would need to post. Not sure if there have been any test cases. Concealed means concealed or better yet, don't go. View Quote It usually is up to the lessee or tenant. Where Simon Property Group etc got around it is in the lease. The loophole is they write the firearm prohibition requirement into the tenant's rental agreement. Tenant cannot allow firearms, and you have to pass the posted sign to get to the store so "you're in violation". Remember, they think those signs work. |
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Quoted: This is correct. Signs are to be ignored except in governmental facilities and carry no weight of law. If asked to leave, leave and inform them that I fringements on the rights of law abiding citizens Wil have your money going elsewhere. View Quote I don't quite get the whole "except in governmental facilities" thing. The government is specifically prohibited from infringing on our 2nd amendment rights, while stores are not. Government buildings can not exclude you. (Sure I know, they have other men with guns that are willing to kill you to enforce their signs, I am talking Constitutional grounds here.) The 2nd Amendment does not apply to semi-auto rifles, nor does it apply to bolt action rifles, pistols, or revolvers. The 2nd Amendment RESTRICTS GOVERNMENT. The technology of the firearm is irrelevant. The restrictions on government remain the same, regardless of the firearm. The Second Amendment was not written to grant permission for citizens to own and bear firearms. It forbids government interference in the right to keep and bear arms, period. Or am I wrong in thinking this? |
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Shops at Merrick Park in Miami has signs stating they have gun-sniffing dogs. It's not your typical mall as it's all high end stores like Gucci, Tiffanys, etc.. Went with my wife a few weeks ago since she needed to return some clothes and saw the signs and a dog. The handler wasn't a LEO, he was an armed security guard. I was CC, but the dog and handler were too far away when I saw them.
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Local mall has a sign saying they do. I have doubts but what is the worse they can do? Ask you to leave. I'm still carrying a gun
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Quoted: Polaris Mall in Columbus supposedly has similar dogs. They didn't detect anything on me when I walked by. Gang bangers won't give a fuck and will just run, or start shooting, if caught. Those legally carrying can only be asked to leave the premises, so they are technically targeting the law abiding patrons who want to spend money at the mall. Seems like a poor business model, but these days malls suck and seem to have gang banger issues. So maybe that is what they want. View Quote When did Polaris put up “no gun” signs? @vaughn4380 |
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Several years ago I ccw'd a CZ Scorpion pistol with a reload under my large jacket (it was winter) at the MOA just to see if I could
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Quoted: Counterpoint: -wear a jacket you shoot in (hell, dust a little loose powder in the pockets), -don't carry your gun, -get singled out by dog and searched by mall-cops, -claim it was because of your ethnicity/orientation/gender/political affiliation/deformity/autism/etc, -PROFIT! View Quote |
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