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Posted: 1/5/2016 4:28:14 PM EST
Holy shit Nevada. In general if is shocking
Article its from: http://patterico.com/2016/01/03/what-are-the-bundys-protesting/ |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 4:29:11 PM EST
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Largest bomb range in the world!
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Posted: 1/5/2016 4:30:15 PM EST
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Does wonders for private property values.
In some locations, if the federal and state governments relinquished their hold on land, prices would decline substantially. |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 4:37:12 PM EST
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Nevada for the win!
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Posted: 1/5/2016 4:38:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does wonders for private property values. In some locations, if the federal and state governments relinquished their hold on land, prices would decline substantially. That would be an epic meltdown. |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 4:38:58 PM EST
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All your water and mineral rights are belong to us................................
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Posted: 1/5/2016 4:41:37 PM EST
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The flip side is that I can go Jeeping, hunting and shooting for free in National Forests and BLM holdings. We DO have large recreation areas.
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Posted: 1/5/2016 4:44:10 PM EST
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I wish Iowa had some public land. Triying to find a place to hunt in this state is a nightmare.
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Posted: 1/5/2016 4:44:28 PM EST
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That would be an epic meltdown. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does wonders for private property values. In some locations, if the federal and state governments relinquished their hold on land, prices would decline substantially. That would be an epic meltdown. Not happening in NV. The BLM will only do "land swaps" -> they will trade BLM for private only. No new land to be released to the public. In fact they are starting to restrict access to public lands by closing dirt roads.... Very very messed up deal going down here. |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 4:44:57 PM EST
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The flip side is that I can go Jeeping, hunting and shooting for free in National Forests and BLM holdings. We DO have large recreation areas. You're welcome. 
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Posted: 1/5/2016 4:45:47 PM EST
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Disgusting. |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 4:48:16 PM EST
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The flip side is that I can go Jeeping, hunting and shooting for free in National Forests and BLM holdings. We DO have large recreation areas. For now. |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 4:49:35 PM EST
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Disgusting. Blame the states and the residents at the time of admission. They thought it was better to leave the crappy land in the hands of the Feds, rather than have to pay for its upkeep themselves. And the ranchers who thought the idea of free grazing land was better than having to buy their own land to graze on. |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 4:51:39 PM EST
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The flip side is that I can go Jeeping, hunting and shooting for free in National Forests and BLM holdings. We DO have large recreation areas.  While that map makes it look like "less freedom" it's actually more. As mentioned, we have endless miles of public use land while the east is all private owned and over populated.
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Posted: 1/5/2016 4:52:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: YUP While that map makes it look like "less freedom" it's actually more. As mentioned, we have endless miles of public use land while the east is all private owned and over populated.Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The flip side is that I can go Jeeping, hunting and shooting for free in National Forests and BLM holdings. We DO have large recreation areas. While that map makes it look like "less freedom" it's actually more. As mentioned, we have endless miles of public use land while the east is all private owned and over populated.Alaska has the population of the county that Rochester NY is in. Low population and less urban usually =Republican |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 4:54:13 PM EST
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Not happening in NV. The BLM will only do "land swaps" -> they will trade BLM for private only. No new land to be released to the public. In fact they are starting to restrict access to public lands by closing dirt roads.... Very very messed up deal going down here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does wonders for private property values. In some locations, if the federal and state governments relinquished their hold on land, prices would decline substantially. That would be an epic meltdown. Not happening in NV. The BLM will only do "land swaps" -> they will trade BLM for private only. No new land to be released to the public. In fact they are starting to restrict access to public lands by closing dirt roads.... Very very messed up deal going down here. Mother earth is more important than some filthy humans. |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 4:54:17 PM EST
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YUP While that map makes it look like "less freedom" it's actually more. As mentioned, we have endless miles of public use land while the east is all private owned and over populated.
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The flip side is that I can go Jeeping, hunting and shooting for free in National Forests and BLM holdings. We DO have large recreation areas. While that map makes it look like "less freedom" it's actually more. As mentioned, we have endless miles of public use land while the east is all private owned and over populated.
Again. You're welcome.
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Posted: 1/5/2016 4:55:23 PM EST
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It's big out here. Most don't want the land back, cheaper for the big gov to manage it.
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Posted: 1/5/2016 4:55:39 PM EST
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Look like we have less fed land ratio compared to everyone else
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Posted: 1/5/2016 4:56:31 PM EST
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YUP While that map makes it look like "less freedom" it's actually more. As mentioned, we have endless miles of public use land while the east is all private owned and over populated.
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The flip side is that I can go Jeeping, hunting and shooting for free in National Forests and BLM holdings. We DO have large recreation areas. While that map makes it look like "less freedom" it's actually more. As mentioned, we have endless miles of public use land while the east is all private owned and over populated.
What percentage of land should the government own? For that matter, what percentage of industry should government directly command or control? It stands to reason that if the government owns a piece of land, then government has the final say on what kind of economic activity, if any, should be allowed to happen on it. |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 4:56:32 PM EST
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When we discuss the relationship between the states and federal government in my class I usually bring up how the feds basically own all of Nevada.
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Posted: 1/5/2016 4:56:57 PM EST
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The feds ought to own/control about a tenth of that at most.
Fucking disgusting. 
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Posted: 1/5/2016 4:58:35 PM EST
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The flip side is that I can go Jeeping, hunting and shooting for free in National Forests and BLM holdings. We DO have large recreation areas. This. I have over 2 million acres of the Tonto NF just a mile away from me and millions more NF, BLM and state land to "recreate" on. 
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Posted: 1/5/2016 4:59:07 PM EST
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The feds ought to own/control about a tenth of that at most. Fucking disgusting. Who would buy it? |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 4:59:45 PM EST
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YUP While that map makes it look like "less freedom" it's actually more. As mentioned, we have endless miles of public use land while the east is all private owned and over populated.
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The flip side is that I can go Jeeping, hunting and shooting for free in National Forests and BLM holdings. We DO have large recreation areas. While that map makes it look like "less freedom" it's actually more. As mentioned, we have endless miles of public use land while the east is all private owned and over populated.
QFT 2 mule deer and an elk in the last 3 years that would not be in my freezer without thousands of acres to roam. I've made memories, made my peace with God, and tested my limits many times over thanks to the wisdom of our forefathers to set aside these lands for us. |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 5:00:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who would buy it? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The feds ought to own/control about a tenth of that at most. Fucking disgusting. Who would buy it? |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 5:00:37 PM EST
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The feds ought to own/control about a tenth of that at most. Fucking disgusting. The states didn't want it and neither did the people. Feds got left holding the crappy land while everyone else tried to get the good stuff. it's not the Fed's fault that so much of the West is useless. 
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Posted: 1/5/2016 5:00:48 PM EST
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Who would buy it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The feds ought to own/control about a tenth of that at most. Fucking disgusting. Who would buy it? All the people here saying they already make great use of it for hunting and camping. |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 5:02:15 PM EST
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YUP While that map makes it look like "less freedom" it's actually more. As mentioned, we have endless miles of public use land while the east is all private owned and over populated.
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The flip side is that I can go Jeeping, hunting and shooting for free in National Forests and BLM holdings. We DO have large recreation areas. While that map makes it look like "less freedom" it's actually more. As mentioned, we have endless miles of public use land while the east is all private owned and over populated.
Till the feds decide by bureaucratic fiat that the land is now restricted usage and strip you of your hustoric grazing and water rights that have allowed your family to subsist on that land for generations |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 5:02:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All the people here saying they already make great use of it for hunting and camping. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The feds ought to own/control about a tenth of that at most. Fucking disgusting. Who would buy it? All the people here saying they already make great use of it for hunting and camping. B-b-but then they'd have to pay for it! |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 5:02:36 PM EST
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Quoted: Holy shit Nevada. In general if is shocking http://patterico.com/files/2016/01/Screen-Shot-2016-01-03-at-3.16.02-PM.png Article its from: http://patterico.com/2016/01/03/what-are-the-bundys-protesting/ For comparison:  So, in Nevada we get a 31% ROI on the Feds using 84.5% of our land.  |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 5:02:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Look like we have less fed land ratio compared to everyone else NY has a low federal ownership but we have the Adirondack park mostly owned and controlled by state bureaucrats |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 5:02:50 PM EST
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The states didn't want it and neither did the people. Feds got left holding the crappy land while everyone else tried to get the good stuff. it's not the Fed's fault that so much of the West is useless. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The feds ought to own/control about a tenth of that at most. Fucking disgusting. The states didn't want it and neither did the people. Feds got left holding the crappy land while everyone else tried to get the good stuff. it's not the Fed's fault that so much of the West is useless. It is true that Nevada is basically Arrakis. Don't piss off the Fremen however. 
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Posted: 1/5/2016 5:03:00 PM EST
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The feds ought to own/control about a tenth of that at most. Fucking disgusting. Who would buy it? Maybe sell some of the premium stuff or land used by ranchers and the like and give the rest to the States. Do this with the National Parks and such, too. The national government should not have that much land, should not have such a hold over the States, should not be able to destroy people over land it does not actually use like what happens in Oregon and other places out West, and it has no constitutional power to own a lot of the land that it owns (and should be forced to conform with the law). |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 5:03:15 PM EST
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Look like we have less fed land ratio compared to everyone else As a fellow Texan, I am proud of our state but sad that we have to drive elsewhere or pay rediculous $ to hunt, shoot or 4 wheel. |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 5:06:34 PM EST
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I guess we are supposed to give it to the Bundys and the guy from california with the horn Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The feds ought to own/control about a tenth of that at most. Fucking disgusting. Who would buy it? Perhaps the Chinese would buy it. |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 5:07:46 PM EST
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It's big out here. Most don't want the land back, cheaper for the big gov to manage it. You mean "Cheaper to bill everyone else, that will never use or benefit, to manage it." |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 5:07:52 PM EST
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Mother earth is more important than some filthy humans. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does wonders for private property values. In some locations, if the federal and state governments relinquished their hold on land, prices would decline substantially. That would be an epic meltdown. Not happening in NV. The BLM will only do "land swaps" -> they will trade BLM for private only. No new land to be released to the public. In fact they are starting to restrict access to public lands by closing dirt roads.... Very very messed up deal going down here. Mother earth is more important than some filthy humans. Actually, I AGREE with that statement about some segments of the human population! |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 5:11:18 PM EST
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Who would buy it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The feds ought to own/control about a tenth of that at most. Fucking disgusting. Who would buy it? Oil, water, mineral rights, wetland offsets, Forestry, Livestock, Agriculture, conservation clubs...lots of folks. |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 5:11:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Look like we have less fed land ratio compared to everyone else |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 5:11:54 PM EST
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Maybe sell some of the premium stuff or land used by ranchers and the like and give the rest to the States. Do this with the National Parks and such, too. The national government should not have that much land, should not have such a hold over the States, should not be able to destroy people over land it does not actually use like what happens in Oregon and other places out West, and it has no constitutional power to own a lot of the land that it owns (and should be forced to conform with the law). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The feds ought to own/control about a tenth of that at most. Fucking disgusting. Who would buy it? Maybe sell some of the premium stuff or land used by ranchers and the like and give the rest to the States. Do this with the National Parks and such, too. The national government should not have that much land, should not have such a hold over the States, should not be able to destroy people over land it does not actually use like what happens in Oregon and other places out West, and it has no constitutional power to own a lot of the land that it owns (and should be forced to conform with the law). It's just not that simple. The states don't have the money to sustain the land if it were given to them and would certainly sell it off. Who would buy it? There is no interest in selling it acre by acre. The folks pushing for this to happen (including Ted Cruz) know full well that corporations and elites like Soros, Buffet, Etc. will cherry pick the best pieces ( think views, minerals, timber, and water) and land that has been available to enjoy by EVERY AMERICAN for a hundred years will be gone forever. Crony Capitalism at its worst. |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 5:13:14 PM EST
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The feds ought to own/control about a tenth of that at most. Fucking disgusting. Who would buy it? Moisture farmers. |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 5:13:26 PM EST
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Look like we have less fed land ratio compared to everyone else That isn't a plus |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 5:14:22 PM EST
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You're welcome. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The flip side is that I can go Jeeping, hunting and shooting for free in National Forests and BLM holdings. We DO have large recreation areas. You're welcome. You can go too. |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 5:14:33 PM EST
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It's just not that simple. The states don't have the money to sustain the land if it were given to them and would certainly sell it off. Who would buy it? There is no interest in selling it acre by acre. The folks pushing for this to happen (including Ted Cruz) know full well that corporations and elites like Soros, Buffet, Etc. will cherry pick the best pieces ( think views, minerals, timber, and water) and land that has been available to enjoy by EVERY AMERICAN for a hundred years will be gone forever. Crony Capitalism at its worst. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The feds ought to own/control about a tenth of that at most. Fucking disgusting. Who would buy it? Maybe sell some of the premium stuff or land used by ranchers and the like and give the rest to the States. Do this with the National Parks and such, too. The national government should not have that much land, should not have such a hold over the States, should not be able to destroy people over land it does not actually use like what happens in Oregon and other places out West, and it has no constitutional power to own a lot of the land that it owns (and should be forced to conform with the law). It's just not that simple. The states don't have the money to sustain the land if it were given to them and would certainly sell it off. Who would buy it? There is no interest in selling it acre by acre. The folks pushing for this to happen (including Ted Cruz) know full well that corporations and elites like Soros, Buffet, Etc. will cherry pick the best pieces ( think views, minerals, timber, and water) and land that has been available to enjoy by EVERY AMERICAN for a hundred years will be gone forever. Crony Capitalism at its worst. The current situation is unacceptable. I have no problem with people owning land. I don't rant and rave about "elites," as I'm not an egalitarian. |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 5:14:33 PM EST
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Blame the states and the residents at the time of admission. They thought it was better to leave the crappy land in the hands of the Feds, rather than have to pay for its upkeep themselves. And the ranchers who thought the idea of free grazing land was better than having to buy their own land to graze on. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Disgusting. Blame the states and the residents at the time of admission. They thought it was better to leave the crappy land in the hands of the Feds, rather than have to pay for its upkeep themselves. And the ranchers who thought the idea of free grazing land was better than having to buy their own land to graze on. Actually, our very first Progressive President, Teddy Roosevelt, probably had a fairly large impact on the land grab. Wealthy Progressives, like the nobility of old, need their game reserves. 
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Posted: 1/5/2016 5:15:36 PM EST
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Actually, our very first Progressive President, Teddy Roosevelt, probably had a fairly large impact on the land grab. Wealthy Progressives, like the nobility of old, need their game reserves. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Disgusting. Blame the states and the residents at the time of admission. They thought it was better to leave the crappy land in the hands of the Feds, rather than have to pay for its upkeep themselves. And the ranchers who thought the idea of free grazing land was better than having to buy their own land to graze on. Actually, our very first Progressive President, Teddy Roosevelt, probably had a fairly large impact on the land grab. Wealthy Progressives, like the nobility of old, need their game reserves. Yep, a lot of Federal land was acquired during that time period. I believe the "refuge" involved in the Oregon controversy was one of those acquisitions. |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 5:16:02 PM EST
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Don't people complain that there is no where to hunt in Texas without paying for a lease? NY has a low federal ownership but we have the Adirondack park mostly owned and controlled by state bureaucrats Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Look like we have less fed land ratio compared to everyone else NY has a low federal ownership but we have the Adirondack park mostly owned and controlled by state bureaucrats That's the ridiculous part. Time after time we see whiners going on about "Texas sucks because there is no public land" and in the very next thread bitch about the feds owning too much land. 
There is very little BLM activity in Texas and we like it that way. |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 5:17:07 PM EST
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Till the feds decide by bureaucratic fiat that the land is now restricted usage and strip you of your hustoric grazing and water rights that have allowed your family to subsist on that land for generations Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The flip side is that I can go Jeeping, hunting and shooting for free in National Forests and BLM holdings. We DO have large recreation areas. While that map makes it look like "less freedom" it's actually more. As mentioned, we have endless miles of public use land while the east is all private owned and over populated.
Till the feds decide by bureaucratic fiat that the land is now restricted usage and strip you of your hustoric grazing and water rights that have allowed your family to subsist on that land for generations TPNI. Took long enough. |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 5:17:18 PM EST
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That isn't a plus Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Look like we have less fed land ratio compared to everyone else That isn't a plus Yes it is. |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 5:17:49 PM EST
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The feds have about 500 acres not far from my house.
All riverfront with Army Corp of Engineers signs on it, great bird hunting down there. I'm glad they own that chunk. |
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