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Posted: 8/4/2013 12:39:21 PM EST
I am back in Afghanistan. There is no mission, no strategy. The Muslims have us pretty well figured out. They ask, ask and ask. We then give, give and give. The commander to balks at the cycle? He is replaced by someone who will go along. The Afghans are great allies--- so long as we bribe them with goods, services, and money. They turn when we leave. Just recently, an advisor team was ordered away from an Afghan Uniformed Police team in the south because, as higher headquarters claims, they were fully trained and operational independent of ISAF help. Just the other day, the chief of police for that team was caught on our drone assets delivering a Humvee-full of weapons and ammunition to a Taliban member who is targeted for death. Of course we did not drone strike him because, after all, this is what winning looks like.

We work with allied local national linguists. Hazaras, Tajiks, and Pashtuns. Every so often, I have one of these men come to my door and ask to speak privately. They then explain--- and beg me to not tell anyone--- that they do not consider themselves Muslim, but have to go along or be killed. They ask me to help them with their visa packages to escape this Islamist hell. I do. I prod these linguists with those questions that would perk the ears of an Islamic supremist. I have identified some whom I will not trust. But there are others who recognize that Islam is the problem in Afghanistan. One is a secret Christian. They want away from Islam and America is the last place where it is safe to go. For now.

I feel like these guys who have seen what Islam is are the survivors. We need them. They are like the survivors who escaped to America from the Soviet bloc and pled with tears in their eyes for America to not vote for Obama. They know what is coming because they have seen it. I do not think that Islam can be readily defeated through intellect. They are beyond it. Only sheer violence and force can stop them, only liberating those who will be liberated and using the superstition of their religion against them will work. General Pershing understood this 100 years ago. I am afraid America will not really get this until the most extreme circumstance arises.

My time in the Marine Corps is coming to an end. I could stay in the organization as long as I wish, but I feel there is no point. All the talented officers I know are resigning. We can’t bear to stay in and see what is happening. We are a social-experiment over and above the world’s premier war-fighting organization now. This is what America wants. This is what America has voted for twice.

Me and people like me look to get out and blend in with society at large. The consensus is that the time will come when America wants people like us again, but only after this new experimental drive has run its course. It will end how it has to end: in class war, race war, free men vs statists. Completely predictable. At that time, the blood and sweat and broken hearts pressed from America’s fighting men and women over a decade of counter-insurgency warfare will rise up and be our nation’s salvation.

As always, please keep my identity secret. The system is no longer partial to my kind.

XXXXX
Captain, USMC


From---       http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/07/a-letter-from-a-marine-captain-in-afghanistan.html
Link Posted: 8/4/2013 12:47:38 PM EST
[#1]
That's a POWERFUL message............
Link Posted: 8/4/2013 12:47:43 PM EST
[#2]
Fo time coming
Link Posted: 8/4/2013 12:51:24 PM EST
[#3]
Apease the muslims. that is what Obama is doing.
Link Posted: 8/4/2013 12:53:03 PM EST
[#4]
Thank You for your service , MARINE.
Link Posted: 8/4/2013 12:54:35 PM EST
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This is what America wants. This is what America has voted for twice.

From---       http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/07/a-letter-from-a-marine-captain-in-afghanistan.html
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Three times actually.
Link Posted: 8/4/2013 12:55:43 PM EST
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free men or statists... pick your side.
Link Posted: 8/4/2013 12:58:19 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/4/2013 12:59:45 PM EST
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Holy hell.  An anonymous post to a blog that pretty much says what everyone has known about Afghanistan since _Seven Pillars of Wisdom_ was written by TE Lawrence.  I need to get to the fainting couch!
Link Posted: 8/4/2013 1:01:15 PM EST
[#9]
Until there is shit on their door steps or Korans in their hands, the majority of Americans will call this man crazy.

This man is a hero if I have ever seen one.
Link Posted: 8/4/2013 1:01:18 PM EST
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Hope there are many more like him.
Link Posted: 8/4/2013 1:01:35 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/4/2013 1:02:19 PM EST
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without an author it aint really worth much

- 9 star general
USMC
Link Posted: 8/4/2013 1:02:41 PM EST
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The anti muslim secret christian is the next Boston Bomber with a fresh green card and paperwork for citizenship in his laptop computer.

I understand wanting to help another human being, I really do. But until and unless THEY start to do their own dirty work in earnest, they are, and will forever be, lumped into the same bucket of shit.

And should be told and treated as such.

I understand that will not win the "hearts and minds" of these poor unfortunate souls, and my heart cries for them.

So tell you what Hadji, you go out and bring us the head of the local terrorist cell and his second in command, (Verified by our intelligence,) just you and your local buddies, no US help or equipment, and then we'll sit down and seriously discuss your asylum seeking to the USA.
Link Posted: 8/4/2013 1:04:09 PM EST
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I am back in Afghanistan. There is no mission, no strategy. The Muslims have us pretty well figured out. They ask, ask and ask. We then give, give and give. The commander to balks at the cycle? He is replaced by someone who will go along. The Afghans are great allies--- so long as we bribe them with goods, services, and money. They turn when we leave. Just recently, an advisor team was ordered away from an Afghan Uniformed Police team in the south because, as higher headquarters claims, they were fully trained and operational independent of ISAF help. Just the other day, the chief of police for that team was caught on our drone assets delivering a Humvee-full of weapons and ammunition to a Taliban member who is targeted for death. Of course we did not drone strike him because, after all, this is what winning looks like.

We work with allied local national linguists. Hazaras, Tajiks, and Pashtuns. Every so often, I have one of these men come to my door and ask to speak privately. They then explain--- and beg me to not tell anyone--- that they do not consider themselves Muslim, but have to go along or be killed. They ask me to help them with their visa packages to escape this Islamist hell. I do. I prod these linguists with those questions that would perk the ears of an Islamic supremist. I have identified some whom I will not trust. But there are others who recognize that Islam is the problem in Afghanistan. One is a secret Christian. They want away from Islam and America is the last place where it is safe to go. For now.

I feel like these guys who have seen what Islam is are the survivors. We need them. They are like the survivors who escaped to America from the Soviet bloc and pled with tears in their eyes for America to not vote for Obama. They know what is coming because they have seen it. I do not think that Islam can be readily defeated through intellect. They are beyond it. Only sheer violence and force can stop them, only liberating those who will be liberated and using the superstition of their religion against them will work. General Pershing understood this 100 years ago. I am afraid America will not really get this until the most extreme circumstance arises.

My time in the Marine Corps is coming to an end. I could stay in the organization as long as I wish, but I feel there is no point. All the talented officers I know are resigning. We can’t bear to stay in and see what is happening. We are a social-experiment over and above the world’s premier war-fighting organization now. This is what America wants. This is what America has voted for twice.

Me and people like me look to get out and blend in with society at large. The consensus is that the time will come when America wants people like us again, but only after this new experimental drive has run its course. It will end how it has to end: in class war, race war, free men vs statists. Completely predictable. At that time, the blood and sweat and broken hearts pressed from America’s fighting men and women over a decade of counter-insurgency warfare will rise up and be our nation’s salvation.

As always, please keep my identity secret. The system is no longer partial to my kind.

XXXXX
Captain, USMC


From---       http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/07/a-letter-from-a-marine-captain-in-afghanistan.html
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come home hold your head high you've done well. keep the good officers you know in contact find good veteran NCOs who are now civilians keep them close.
Link Posted: 8/4/2013 1:05:58 PM EST
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"But there are others who recognize that Islam is the problem in Afghanistan"  Ya think?

Link Posted: 8/4/2013 1:06:34 PM EST
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lol is right. It doesnt take a rocket surgeon to figure out that that was written to play on the world view of a specific audience.
Link Posted: 8/4/2013 1:09:56 PM EST
[#18]
Pass it on to 10 friends!
Link Posted: 8/4/2013 1:10:38 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/4/2013 1:16:04 PM EST
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Yep- no source, no story.
Link Posted: 8/4/2013 1:17:36 PM EST
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Redacted.
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 2:10:29 AM EST
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A post to a friendly website made by someone you don't know using no true name and he's he a hero?

Just pointing out a few things
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 2:11:21 AM EST
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Holy hell.  An anonymous post to a blog that pretty much says what everyone has known about Afghanistan since _Seven Pillars of Wisdom_ was written by TE Lawrence.  I need to get to the fainting couch!
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You win
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 2:17:19 AM EST
[#25]
Not saying the story is 100% legit (even if it is True), but in before the usual apologists for all things Muslim...
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 2:25:24 AM EST
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Quit reading at "the Muslims."
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 2:26:12 AM EST
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Link Posted: 8/5/2013 2:27:43 AM EST
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I'd hope that a well educated captain would have better writing skills than that.
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 2:33:37 AM EST
[#29]
If it's on the Internet it's gotta' be true; it's the law or something.


Link Posted: 8/5/2013 2:37:20 AM EST
[#30]
What has happened on ARFCOM?  Seriously, 5 or 7 years ago this Marine (if he is one, anonymous and all) would have been shredded here, made out to e a traitor?
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 2:44:42 AM EST
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Sounds like one of those facebook posts.

Not that it matters any.
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 2:44:56 AM EST
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. . . OK
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 2:46:34 AM EST
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Lots of people here have converted into whiny basement dwelling anti-war activists.
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 2:47:59 AM EST
[#34]
Bonjour!

Although the points he makes are valid ones, especially with the visa seeking Afghans.
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 2:48:19 AM EST
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A post to a friendly website made by someone you don't know using no true name and he's he a hero?

Just pointing out a few things
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A post to a friendly website made by someone you don't know using no true name and he's he a hero?

Just pointing out a few things

And Ron Paul has the most military support of any candidate EVAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 2:49:02 AM EST
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Considering this was Bush's policy during his second term and it worked rather well, I don't see why we're suddenly jumping down Obama's throat for doing the exact same thing

As for OP, don't feel bad, sir. Plenty of us good enlisted folk decided to bail when it became obvious what the Marine Corps was turning in to.
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 2:49:41 AM EST
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Problem in AFG isn't Islam.....it's the Afghani..
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Indeed. Has been the issue all long. No one can figure that place out because it's basically where God stuck all the leftovers.
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 2:51:46 AM EST
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There you go being all racist and stuff.

This is an anti-Muslim thread, ain't nobody got time fo that!







 
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 2:52:53 AM EST
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This...   Money is the root of all evil.


Link Posted: 8/5/2013 2:54:30 AM EST
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This...   Money is the root of all evil.


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This...   Money is the root of all evil.



Wrong. The love money is the root of all evil.

Money is just an innanimate object. It can't do anything a person doesn't let it. Like guns.
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 2:55:58 AM EST
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Wrong. The love money is the root of all evil.

Money is just an innanimate object. It can't do anything a person doesn't let it. Like guns.
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Wrong. The love money is the root of all evil.

Money is just an innanimate object. It can't do anything a person doesn't let it. Like guns.



Well, I mostly said it to point out that Afghani is the unit of currency in Afghanistan, while Afghan is the term for a person there, not Afghani.
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 2:56:08 AM EST
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What has happened?

People are picking sides.
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 3:00:55 AM EST
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Afghan culture is like Islam on steroids.  

An Afghani is the unit of currency produced by the nation of Afghanistan, Afghans are the people
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 3:01:08 AM EST
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Well, I mostly said it to point out that Afghani is the unit of currency in Afghanistan, while Afghan is the term for a person there, not Afghani.
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Problem in AFG isn't Islam.....it's the Afghani..



This...   Money is the root of all evil.



Wrong. The love money is the root of all evil.

Money is just an innanimate object. It can't do anything a person doesn't let it. Like guns.



Well, I mostly said it to point out that Afghani is the unit of currency in Afghanistan, while Afghan is the term for a person there, not Afghani.


Oh, I get it


It's Monday
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Afghan culture is like Islam on steroids.  


No, it's really not. Saudi Arabia or Iran is like Islam on steroids.

Afghan version of Islam is like what happens when you mix Islam with a bunch of new age/Asian religions and don't let anyone get past a third grade education.
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All Americans, especially Conservatives, should be "anti war".  We should only fight wars when an enemy threatens our security and we should always fight it to win.  The Captain is saying that the war in Afghanistan doesn't meet that criteria any more thanks to the piss poor leadership of that dickhead Obama.  
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Lots of people here have converted into whiny basement dwelling anti-war activists.
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Lots of people here have converted into whiny basement dwelling anti-war activists.


It's Obama Derangement Syndrome. It's the same thing that happened to all the lefties under Bush.
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Afghan culture is like Islam on steroids.  

An Afghani is the unit of currency produced by the nation of Afghanistan, Afghans are the people


Most Afghani can't read the Koran let alone understand it....it has the same problem most countries like it have. The smart ones get hell out of it.....or take advantage of the uneducated ones.
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What has happened?

People are picking sides.
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I think most people are getting a hint of what has happened in the military. You had a surge of people (pun intended) that basically joined up because they wanted to fight and/or lead an elite force. The need for that fight has dwindled and the military is scaling back.

So, take away job satisfaction, and what is the motivation for staying? It becomes like any other government job. If the person is good at it, that talent and hard work is recognized and either promoted or lured away to the private sector. If the person is mediocre, then no one else wants them and they just stick around. Military is no different. I know a guy who was busted down to PFC and then worked his way back. Picked up E-4 about three days before he was going to get out. That guy has just graduated from law school and already has two internships under his belt. Why did he get out? Because he was tired of the bullshit he was going through and the war was coming to an end. He saw what peace time Marine Corps looks like and he punched out. I did the same thing.

The whole serving your country bit only gets you so far, especially when it feels more like your serving an entity that hates you and spends all day thinking up ways to make you and your Marines' lives miserable.
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