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Posted: 8/4/2021 10:47:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They remove the photo because they assume the promotion boards are racist and making recommendations based on race. They prove non white candidates are objectively less qualified... But at least now they are being somewhat honest that they are practicing affirmative discrimination. |
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Posted: 8/4/2021 10:47:45 PM EDT
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Quoted: LOL Marine Brig. Gen. A.T. Williamson, director of Marine Corps manpower plans and policy division, echoed Nowell's comments, noting that removing photos may have disadvantaged the board's ability to promote diversity in the top ranks. The Corps eliminated required photographs from the promotion process in September 2020 and in June extended that policy to most tattoo photos, which the Corps has required since 2015. Williamson said the Corps is continuing to collect data from the most recent board season, but early indicators show that eliminating the photograph requirement has decreased diversity in the promotion system. The Army discovered the same problem a couple years ago. "Let's get rid of photos so candidates for promotion are judged on their merits not their skin color." Results do not go as expected. "Oops! We're re-instituting photos in all promotion packets." |
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Posted: 8/4/2021 10:49:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "It's a meritocracy, we're only going to pick the best of the best, but we're very clear with our language ...that we want them to consider diversity across all areas. Right?" Nowell said. "And therefore ... I think having a clear picture on this just makes it easier. So actually our data show that it would support adding photos back in." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/50674/crazy_pills_jpg-2040235.JPG How do some of these people with stars say stuff like this while keeping a straight face and not laughing? |
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Posted: 8/4/2021 10:50:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Promotions based on merit, LOL. Promotions are statutory, controlled by Congress and have legal precepts issued.. similar to Shall Issue CCW. If a candidate doesn't meet any disqualifiers, they're promoted. Screen boards, like for command are non-statutory. That's where the good Ole boys bnetwork and nepotism come into play. And not so coincidentally, the higher level promotion boards require a candidate to have been successful in the non statutory boards. So you aren't making O6 without screening for O5 Command (a non statutory board). So you can get to a certain level fairly readily. For Officers it's O5. The senior leadership positions are a big club, and most aren't in it. The Flag positions are even worse, the existing Flag Officers vote in the new members. No objectivity whatsoever. |
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Posted: 8/4/2021 10:54:16 PM EDT
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I called this when the army did it - Removes the feels from board members when they don't have subconcious opinion biased by the photo. So it gets closer to a meritocracy.
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Posted: 8/4/2021 10:54:30 PM EDT
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The next downside is that well qualified and capable leaders will be assumed to have been promoted based on the minority quota position instead and being a good leader. Troops will assume they are less qualified as a result. Troops see through the bullshit and can figure out if you can lead or command respect. Quotas hurt morale.
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Posted: 8/5/2021 6:33:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They remove the photo because they assume the promotion boards are racist and making recommendations based on race. They prove non white candidates are objectively less qualified... Ooops. |
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Posted: 8/5/2021 6:35:11 AM EDT
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The United States Woke Corps.
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Posted: 8/5/2021 6:36:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "It's a meritocracy, we're only going to pick the best of the best, but we're very clear with our language ...that we want them to consider diversity across all areas. Right?" Nowell said. "And therefore ... I think having a clear picture on this just makes it easier. So actually our data show that it would support adding photos back in." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/50674/crazy_pills_jpg-2040235.JPG |
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Posted: 8/5/2021 6:39:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How the fuck can red and blue both be true  I guess they use Boolean logic gates for their conclusions? |
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Posted: 8/5/2021 7:16:49 AM EDT
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I think we can all see the correct response. No pictures for non-POC candidates, that way selection boards won't know the white ones are white, but they can still achieve their diversity goals.
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Posted: 8/5/2021 7:24:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/5/2021 7:40:26 AM EDT
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Back in the 90’s, the book “Lost Rights” covered a case involving a symphony orchestra that got in trouble with the feds for not being diverse enough.
They tried to explain that they held blind auditions - judges knew nothing about candidates. Not race, not gender, not age. Nothing. People auditioning played behind an acoustical transparent curtain, so that they were judged solely on ability. The feds didn’t want to hear it. The orchestra was forced to hire a bunch of blacks, based on nothing but their race. I’m sure that made things rather harmonious down in the pit. |
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Posted: 8/5/2021 7:45:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Similar to standardized testing in college. They were originally instituted to take the social/"good old boys club" component out of college admissions, now they're racist because Asians and Jews dominate. It couldn’t be that they actually are more focused, study harder, and culturally value education, or could it? |
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Posted: 8/5/2021 7:46:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well did THAT go the way you expected???? It warms the cockles of my cold black heart to know that all they did was prove that “diversity” quotas are just another form of racism Yea, but they aren’t going to learn anything from this. |
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Posted: 8/5/2021 8:12:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Photos, so they can identify and promote more minorities. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well there's something NOBODY saw coming (Sarcasm). So what's next on the wheel of good ideas? Photos, so they can identify and promote more minorities. So they are going to assume a person’s racial identity by their appearance. Seems racist. |
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Posted: 8/5/2021 8:30:28 AM EDT
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I'm both laughing and crying. I never did boards because all I got to was lowly Sergeant, but from what I remember the board photos were to weed out the fat bodies. Though I guess fatness and minority sometimes aligns.
Clown world reasoning by that manpower douche |
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Posted: 8/5/2021 8:36:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It couldn’t be that they actually are more focused, study harder, and culturally value education, or could it? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Similar to standardized testing in college. They were originally instituted to take the social/"good old boys club" component out of college admissions, now they're racist because Asians and Jews dominate. It couldn’t be that they actually are more focused, study harder, and culturally value education, or could it? Nope, it is wwwwwhhite supremacy. |
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Posted: 8/5/2021 8:38:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: “Oh fuck, we didn’t mean to do it by merit.” |
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Posted: 8/5/2021 8:42:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They remove the photo because they assume the promotion boards are racist and making recommendations based on race. They prove non white candidates are objectively less qualified... Lol...yep. non whites weren't getting promoted based on merit so we have to go back to pics to figure out who to promote. merit and fitreps be damned.... |
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Posted: 8/5/2021 9:46:02 AM EDT
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I want to laugh but am unable.
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Posted: 8/5/2021 9:49:36 AM EDT
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It's so funny when the narrative falls apart.
As a side note, I have personally observed black men being much harder on other black men when it comes to such things than white men are to black men. |
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Posted: 8/5/2021 9:52:48 AM EDT
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Were they not able to discern race from the names in quite a few cases?
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Posted: 8/5/2021 10:05:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Promotions are statutory, controlled by Congress and have legal precepts issued.. similar to Shall Issue CCW. If a candidate doesn't meet any disqualifiers, they're promoted. Screen boards, like for command are non-statutory. That's where the good Ole boys bnetwork and nepotism come into play. And not so coincidentally, the higher level promotion boards require a candidate to have been successful in the non statutory boards. So you aren't making O6 without screening for O5 Command (a non statutory board). So you can get to a certain level fairly readily. For Officers it's O5. The senior leadership positions are a big club, and most aren't in it. The Flag positions are even worse, the existing Flag Officers vote in the new members. No objectivity whatsoever. I have sat on USMC promotion boards previously. Although they are statutory boards, they are also precepts by the commandant, and those precept always contain the language “select the most qualified,” so you can meet all the requirements and still not get selected. It’s also not unusual that the 05 and 06 boards do not select to the maximum number that can be selected If you look at things like the O4-O6 boards, there is always a precept for PME, it’s precept that held to for boards except for O6, it’s not enforced because of the shortage of top level school seats what is instead is the unofficial rule that if you served a successful tour as a Battalion or squadron commander you can be selected. So you see the weird result were people are PME complete but not having served as a commanded so they aren’t selected and people who are not PME complete but are selected because they previously commanded, which is in direct contradiction to the precept. |
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Posted: 8/5/2021 10:10:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does this mean Marines will get spray tans before official photos are taken now? "Why do we have so many applications from Al Jolson?" |
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Posted: 8/5/2021 10:12:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How the fuck can red and blue both be true Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "It's a meritocracy, we're only going to pick the best of the best, but we're very clear with our language ...that we want them to consider diversity across all areas. Right?" Nowell said. "And therefore ... I think having a clear picture on this just makes it easier. So actually our data show that it would support adding photos back in." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/50674/crazy_pills_jpg-2040235.JPG How the fuck can red and blue both be true |
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Posted: 8/5/2021 10:13:12 AM EDT
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Great...now more fatties will be promoted. WTF.
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Posted: 8/5/2021 10:15:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm both laughing and crying. I never did boards because all I got to was lowly Sergeant, but from what I remember the board photos were to weed out the fat bodies. Though I guess fatness and minority sometimes aligns. Clown world reasoning by that manpower douche Weeding out Fattys is basically why the photos are there, Because what you normally hear at the opening of the brief is the officer looks good in uniform or the officer looks horrible. The problem is we cannot trust commanders to properly certify the height and weight of the Marines so we have to back it up with a photo. However it also comes down to who is writing on that Marine. On one board I was on the captain was certainly overweight however the commanding who certified had recently been picked for one star. And the president of the board said if the BG says that he is within a weight standards than he is within weight standards despite what the photo appeared to show him as. |
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Posted: 8/5/2021 10:17:30 AM EDT
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So, I guess when a Soldiers records stand on their own, with no photo, those that have less than stellar performances won't get selected. In other words, they are being promoted because of their skin color.
I'm shocked, shocked I tell you! |
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Posted: 8/5/2021 10:23:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does this mean Marines will get spray tans before official photos are taken now? Nope - simply a liberal application of dark-colored camo face paint will do. 
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Posted: 8/5/2021 10:25:19 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Were they not able to discern race from the names in quite a few cases?  Substitute Teacher - Key & Peele |
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Posted: 8/5/2021 10:31:41 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: *laughs in DD-214* Laughs in blue ID card 2015 member |
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Posted: 8/5/2021 10:35:45 AM EDT
[#33]
Quoted: LOL Marine Brig. Gen. A.T. Williamson, director of Marine Corps manpower plans and policy division, echoed Nowell's comments, noting that removing photos may have disadvantaged the board's ability to promote diversity in the top ranks. The Corps eliminated required photographs from the promotion process in September 2020 and in June extended that policy to most tattoo photos, which the Corps has required since 2015. Williamson said the Corps is continuing to collect data from the most recent board season, but early indicators show that eliminating the photograph requirement has decreased diversity in the promotion system. |
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Posted: 8/5/2021 10:36:30 AM EDT
[#34]
Fucking dillwads.
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Posted: 8/5/2021 10:36:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does this mean Marines will get spray tans before official photos are taken now? Also change your name from Chad to Chadrayvion so they can't use that to guess what race or sex you are. |
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Posted: 8/5/2021 10:40:04 AM EDT
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Just fire every straight white male in the military and replace us all with the diversity people. I’m done with this bullshit.
What goes unsaid is no matter what any of us have sacrificed, we are too white. Oh well, I look forward to an army of black trannys fighting the Chinese. |
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Posted: 8/5/2021 10:40:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Weeding out Fattys is basically why the photos are there, Because what you normally hear at the opening of the brief is the officer looks good in uniform or the officer looks horrible. The problem is we cannot trust commanders to properly certify the height and weight of the Marines so we have to back it up with a photo. However it also comes down to who is writing on that Marine. On one board I was on the captain was certainly overweight however the commanding who certified had recently been picked for one star. And the president of the board said if the BG says that he is within a weight standards than he is within weight standards despite what the photo appeared to show him as. that happened in the Army, my favorite stories were: 1. DA Photo taken from above while officer is lying on his back, to look slimmer. 2. OERS in which the officer magically grows 2-3 inches over 10 years to stay just within the height/weight limit. |
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Posted: 8/5/2021 10:42:13 AM EDT
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Quoted: LOL Marine Brig. Gen. A.T. Williamson, director of Marine Corps manpower plans and policy division, echoed Nowell's comments, noting that removing photos may have disadvantaged the board's ability to promote diversity in the top ranks. The Corps eliminated required photographs from the promotion process in September 2020 and in June extended that policy to most tattoo photos, which the Corps has required since 2015. Williamson said the Corps is continuing to collect data from the most recent board season, but early indicators show that eliminating the photograph requirement has decreased diversity in the promotion system. Irony is the Gen was hand selected for O6 command by CMC for that very reason. The newest we need diversity play that is going on is sending female O5s to top level school in disproportionately high numbers and not through the traditional route of skating mid O5 command. That way they meet CMC’s standing precept for PME complete for O6 *slating, not skating |
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Posted: 8/5/2021 10:46:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Irony is the Gen was hand selected for O6 command by CMC for that very reason. The newest we need diversity play that is going on is sending female O5s to top level school in disproportionately high numbers and not through the traditional route of skating mid O5 command. That way they meet CMC’s standing precept for PME complete for O6 Sounds like a winning strategy 
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Posted: 8/5/2021 10:49:53 AM EDT
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I bet they'll switch to including points for civic associations and the Prince Hall Masons and Alpha Kappa Alpha members will be right back on top of the pile again.
Asian Pacific Islanders Heritage Association and Knights of Columbus won't be worth any points. Kharn |
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Posted: 8/5/2021 10:51:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How the fuck can red and blue both be true Cognitive dissonance: used to describe the mental discomfort that results from holding two conflicting beliefs, values, or attitudes, and believing both to be true and valid. It's at the core of almost all liberal thinking, and one of the primary causes of their irrational behaviors. It causes dangerous cracks. "Muslims are right about women" |
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Posted: 8/5/2021 10:52:38 AM EDT
[#42]
Must suck to have to explain this with a straight face. A conundrum for sure.
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Posted: 8/5/2021 10:54:52 AM EDT
[#43]
Lol they thought the mil was being racist but they weren't.
THIS IS MY SHOCKED FACE 
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Posted: 8/5/2021 10:54:58 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/5/2021 10:56:19 AM EDT
[#45]
Someone PLEASE make it stop!!!
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Posted: 8/5/2021 10:58:12 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I look forward to an army of black trannys fighting the Chinese. That has potential for an amazing cult classic B movie. |
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Posted: 8/5/2021 11:00:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/5/2021 11:07:19 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So give each candidate a number. No name no photo, only quals. Easy. May the best man win. Sounds simple. |
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Posted: 8/5/2021 11:19:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Promotions are statutory, controlled by Congress and have legal precepts issued.. similar to Shall Issue CCW. If a candidate doesn't meet any disqualifiers, they're promoted. Screen boards, like for command are non-statutory. That's where the good Ole boys bnetwork and nepotism come into play. And not so coincidentally, the higher level promotion boards require a candidate to have been successful in the non statutory boards. So you aren't making O6 without screening for O5 Command (a non statutory board). So you can get to a certain level fairly readily. For Officers it's O5. The senior leadership positions are a big club, and most aren't in it. The Flag positions are even worse, the existing Flag Officers vote in the new members. No objectivity whatsoever. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Promotions based on merit, LOL. Promotions are statutory, controlled by Congress and have legal precepts issued.. similar to Shall Issue CCW. If a candidate doesn't meet any disqualifiers, they're promoted. Screen boards, like for command are non-statutory. That's where the good Ole boys bnetwork and nepotism come into play. And not so coincidentally, the higher level promotion boards require a candidate to have been successful in the non statutory boards. So you aren't making O6 without screening for O5 Command (a non statutory board). So you can get to a certain level fairly readily. For Officers it's O5. The senior leadership positions are a big club, and most aren't in it. The Flag positions are even worse, the existing Flag Officers vote in the new members. No objectivity whatsoever. Good breakdown of the system; O4 to O5 in most services is last truly "group competitive" promotion. Anything beyond O-6 (sometimes O-7 in wartime) is mostly based on inter- and intra-service politics, as the pool of candidates shrinks significantly after O-5 and the positions available shrinks massively at both the O-6 and O-7 levels. |
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Posted: 8/5/2021 11:20:12 AM EDT
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Diversity = Deliberate skewing of results
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