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Posted: 8/4/2020 6:57:08 PM EST
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Now that the test succeeded how long until someone plants a ship in NY or San Fran?
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Posted: 8/4/2020 6:57:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now would be a good time for the US to send aid or medivac injured folks. Yes it would be |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 6:57:21 PM EST
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I'm reading 2200-2300 tonnes of AN in the Texas City blast.
What is this one coming out to? Is 2700 just the estimation? |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 6:59:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So they “confiscated” explosive grade ammonium nitrate and just kinda forgot about it in a premium space warehouse..... My guess is that this nitrate was being funneled to terrorist organizations... plausible deniability as it’s just “fertilizer” That's a blasting agent, but yeah, handy for when some bumps off the back of the truck, and say, you're doing a bunch of tunneling. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 6:59:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Badly damaged. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/04/22/31567104-8592549-image-a-4_1596575891699.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Its still there, just damaged. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416227/58CF329D-94A9-40E2-B257-CA03F8C5E132_jpe-1533037.JPG https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/04/22/31567104-8592549-image-a-4_1596575891699.jpg You get half credit. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 6:59:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: it was 6pm local time, office buildings were probably empty. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted:
Close up video of damage, a lot of surrounding apartment blocks look to have structural damage. The death toll is going to be staggering. Why do all the buildings appear to have been empty? And notice how the guy filming zoomed back out as soon as that became apparent? I'm thinking this smells . . . Very strange. it was 6pm local time, office buildings were probably empty. And some could've been an illusion from the camera angle, too. I must admit. Trump's statement of an attack has me scratching my head. I must say that too. We're living in unimaginable times, aren't we? |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 6:59:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The rest of the quote Lebanon's General Security director told Al-Hadath that reports that the explosion was caused by fireworks were "ridiculous" and that the explosion involved high-quality explosives. The Interior Ministry stated that the explosive being stored at the warehouse was ammonium nitrate and that customs should be asked why it was being stored there. An odd smell was noticed in the area after the explosion, according to Al-Mayadeen. "Due to the explosion that rocked #Beirut Port today, one of our Maritime Task Force ships was damaged, leaving some naval peacekeepers injured. #UNIFIL is assessing the situation & stands ready to provide assistance & support to the Lebanese Government," United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) tweeted on Tuesday. And away we go... |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 6:59:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: wow
Bro look at the shit being pulled up off the rooftops before the guy moves the camera. Freaking crazy. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:02:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The speed of the detonation looked like an AN explosion to me. But, I would expect a lot of deep orange smoke from a nitrate explosion which I didn't see. ETA: Others have said there was orange smoke. Maybe I'm just missing it on the crappy screen I'm on. Given the velocity and orange smoke, then that's definitely a AN explosion. Orange smoke was going on before the big boom in the NORTH warehouse. The south warehouse appears to be where the massive detonation occurred. Is it possible they had AM in the north and a whole separate magazine in the south of HE? |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:04:22 PM EST
[#10]
2700 tons of AN would be roughly the equivalent of a W25 nuclear warhead. That's crazy.
Why was it stored there for 7 years, all together, in a busy port. Never sold, moved, or at least spread out. It should be stored in magazines specific distances from other structures(talking hundreds of feet) with maximums per magazine of less than 10% of that amount. I'm guessing it was being used as a black market explosive supply. Nothing to do with the explosion, but likely the reason it was kept there and not moved somewhere that'd it be obvious if was being passed off to militants. Of course same applies to fireworks, a fireworks warehouse next to an AN warehouse. No limits on capacity, no minimum distancing from other buildings. Brilliant. Those images of the destruction are horrible. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:05:05 PM EST
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Theory: Iran/Hezbollah used the warehouse full of AN as a shield for one or more of the neighboring warehouses. “Hey Israel, if you blow up our stuff, you’ll take a large part of Beirut with it.”
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:05:33 PM EST
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Incredible pressure wave, it does look like a Japanese Anime scene.
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:05:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd like to see this frame-by-frame. Looks like the first explosion hit a secondary ignition that went all at once, and atomized a metric shit ton of water from the harbor with it. Breakneck! |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:08:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: or hezbola rockets going off in place. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There were obviously foreworks going off in the smoke. And those set off the ANFO. or hezbola rockets going off in place. Rocket fuel added to the AN... |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:09:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: [tweet]https://twitter.com/basimmalik7214/status/1290732195561328645?s=20[/tweet] holy shit, straight up movie level shock wave coming at you stuff. https://twitter.com/i/status/1290732195561328645 That is insane!! Look at the building on the right come apart as the blast hits it!! |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:10:35 PM EST
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:11:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 2700 tons of AN would be roughly the equivalent of a W25 nuclear warhead. That's crazy. Why was it stored there for 7 years, all together, in a busy port. Never sold, moved, or at least spread out. It should be stored in magazines specific distances from other structures(talking hundreds of feet) with maximums per magazine of less than 10% of that amount. I'm guessing it was being used as a black market explosive supply. Nothing to do with the explosion, but likely the reason it was kept there and not moved somewhere that'd it be obvious if was being passed off to militants. Of course same applies to fireworks, a fireworks warehouse next to an AN warehouse. No limits on capacity, no minimum distancing from other buildings. Brilliant. Those images of the destruction are horrible. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:13:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That stuff isn’t Orica-made Nitropril, as far as I know. Orica’s bulk bags in their promo literature have blue logos. No company comes up for making “Nitroprill HD” on a google search. That’s pretty sketchy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: He was MUCH closer than 100 meters. Maybe ~50 feet from the building that blew up. This is the filming location, north west corner of the silo standing near the pipe. https://i.imgur.com/ml7X8Vc.png https://i.imgur.com/GwVHC3l.png
Phones are impressively hard to destroy via overpressure. ETA:
That AN has been in there a long time. There is a LOT of dust/dirt on the tops of those bags. Kinda backs up the seized ship story. That stuff isn’t Orica-made Nitropril, as far as I know. Orica’s bulk bags in their promo literature have blue logos. No company comes up for making “Nitroprill HD” on a google search. That’s pretty sketchy. Chinese knock off? |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:21:08 PM EST
[#19]
https://twitter.com/i/status/1290749463737389057
video from car on the road, lots of shattering glass edit: "OH BOY!! (BOOOM!) |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:24:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now that the test succeeded how long until someone plants a ship in NY or San Fran? Look at who has a Port the same size, or set the same way as Beirut... |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:25:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Could the "fireworks" be ammunition? I have seen the video numerous times. Sounds like a gunfight. I didn't see any starburst or fireworks persey. I saw ammo cooking off. If I saw some mortars going in the air, which they do in events like this, then the fireworks thing would be plausible. Furthermore, is there a demand for professional grade fireworks in Beirut or Lebanon in general? I don't think of that area when I think of fun explosive celebrations. If the primary in the explosion was a weapons stash then the secondary that gave the BIG boom was a huge. I would also point out. This was primary conflagration and the secondary that is so impressive was ONE explosion that didn't appear to propagate. The entire place just went BOOM in one well timed explosion. That normally happens in gas/liquid/vapor explosions and contained explosions like a cast bomb. Uncontained explosions normally appear to stage through the fuel instead of going all at once. I would love to see super slow motion of the event. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:27:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://twitter.com/i/status/1290749463737389057 video from car on the road, lots of shattering glass edit: "OH BOY!! (BOOOM!) |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:27:52 PM EST
[#23]
It was Freeza where’s Goku?
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:29:29 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm reading 2200-2300 tonnes of AN in the Texas City blast. What is this one coming out to? Is 2700 just the estimation? BBC World News reported earlier that there had been 4200 tons of AN stored at that location 'for several years' and now (after it all suddenly spontaneously combusted) Lebanese politicians want to know why, and who allowed its storage. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:29:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A lot more than just 30 people dead! So many nearby buildings are gone! https://media.giphy.com/media/mFmuXkziY2RsQ/200.gif |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:30:21 PM EST
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:30:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't see any starburst or fireworks persey. I saw ammo cooking off. If I saw some mortars going in the air, which they do in events like this, then the fireworks thing would be plausible. Furthermore, is there a demand for professional grade fireworks in Beirut or Lebanon in general? I don't think of that area when I think of fun explosive celebrations. If the primary in the explosion was a weapons stash then the secondary that gave the BIG boom was a huge. I would also point out. This was primary conflagration and the secondary that is so impressive was ONE explosion that didn't appear to propagate. The entire place just went BOOM in one well timed explosion. That normally happens in gas/liquid/vapor explosions and contained explosions like a cast bomb. Uncontained explosions normally appear to stage through the fuel instead of going all at once. I would love to see super slow motion of the event. The one angle from up high a couple miles away with the warehouses in a line was really good. Showed stuff cooking off in N warehouse, bigger boom, then it’s like the N warehouse boom triggered the explosive in the S warehouse which resulted in the shockwave. All that orange smoke was coming from the N one which makes me think the AM was there and just burning. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:31:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like the price of LNG is about to spike in Beirut. Looks like LNG. Happened to Texas city |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:31:44 PM EST
[#29]
20 years from now in "Popular Mechanics"....how the Mossad blew up Beirut with this one simple trick.
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:31:51 PM EST
[#30]
So what over pressure can a human body take and at what relative distance did that propagate in this explosion?
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:34:16 PM EST
[#31]
Wonder if Iran is putting another order in...
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:35:07 PM EST
[#32]
aftermath video, good zoom lens.
should be noted how much better a scooter or motorcycle is over a car after such a scenerio. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:35:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  I've had employees that would have probably done something like that I mean I've been on fire before and not noticed
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:36:31 PM EST
[#34]
I've been following this thread all day, but I haven't really had any good opportunities to post. Here are some random replies:
1) The idea that this was some kind of weapons depot for military munitions is really iffy. If this was full of things like that, there would be rocket caps/motors, mortar fins, and other things of that nature flung all over the city, and we'd have photos of it by now. Raw explosives/materials are one thing, but constructed munitions are another. 2) Air burst explosions are a function of direction/angle. Any symmetrical explosive (basically anything that's not a shaped charge or a claymore type device) is going to try to send energy in all directions equally. If that device is on the surface, half the energy will go into the ground, most of the remaining half will go into the atmosphere, and only a narrow band will go out along the surface where there are people, structures, or other targets. If you detonate an explosive above the surface, there's a much wider angle of target area within a lethal distance. It might be helpful to think of an artillery shell instead of a nuke. 3) No matter who is saying it, the idea that this was a planned attack is really thin... What nation or organization meets all of the following conditions: 1- Hates Lebanon 2- Is willing to execute a mass-casualty attack on a civilian populated area within Lebanon during a time of relative peace. 3- Would not take credit for said attack 4- Would be called out by the United States Even if there's a plausible answer to all of that, why would any attack start with an adjacent structure fire. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:37:52 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy shit at the top of the buildings flying off! Quote History |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:39:35 PM EST
[#36]
Beirut is UTC +3 so better pictures should start rolling in in the next three hours
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:40:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was just checking the amounts in that explosion 2300 tons of picric acid, 200 tons tnt, several tons gas and gun cotton. Not knowing how the 2 would compare pound for pound but if the 2700 tons we are told her is correct, this is probably larger The official story is that it was ammonium nitrate. Ammonium nitrate turns into nitrous oxides and ammonia. Nitrogen dioxide is brown orange and this is the color of the smoke cloud when it was dissipated. It seems the purple smoke color was not the result of the work of satan, but the concentrated color effect of NO2 and the other combusted gasses. The orange cloud indicates a predominantly high amount of nitrogen dioxide as one of the main products of the reaction so you can call it a nitrate explosion. Blast yield: Those people from the video got hit with a pressure wave flying between .5 to 1 psi and they were about to 2km away from the blast. If you look up a damage zone table for a nuke, .5 to 1 psi at 2km is the sort of pressure wave you get from a 1 kiloton explosion. The theoretical yield of 2700 tons of ammonium nitrate with a relative effectiveness factor of .42, gives an equivalent theoretical yield of 1.134 kilotons of TNT. So these Lebanese dudes just experienced a one kiloton event. I thought there would be more destruction at ground zero but the majority of the energy seems to have been projected vertically. The severe and moderate damage zone for a kiloton is a 500 meter radius from the explosion. Since this was on the port area no major buildings were vaporized. The light damage zone is up to a kilometer and everyone lost windows up to 3 kilometers away. As Al Powell would say: They're gonna need a shitliad of new screen doors. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:40:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Carcinogens an other toxins in the obliterated construction material are the problem. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:41:05 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Carcinogens an other toxins in the obliterated construction material are the problem. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:42:04 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy shit, if fireworks did that, I can't imagine the amount of fireworks it would take to make an explosion that big. Seems like it would take quite a bit. Look up fireworks factory and industrial chemical explosions on the internet, they can be that big easily. I wonder if that explosion was in the kiloton region? I'm not sure what a kiloton would look like. Maybe at least a hundred tons? |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:42:41 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The one angle from up high a couple miles away with the warehouses in a line was really good. Showed stuff cooking off in N warehouse, bigger boom, then it’s like the N warehouse boom triggered the explosive in the S warehouse which resulted in the shockwave. All that orange smoke was coming from the N one which makes me think the AM was there and just burning. I watched the frame by frame at .25 speed. There appears to be vapor, not smoke because it isn't rising, against the grain silo toward the the fire and when the secondary explosion goes off. The secondary propagates up the cloud as if there was unburned fuel/vapor in the cloud. I say fuel because no matter what is going boom it is fuel. I think rocket fuel could still be involved. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:44:22 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 2700 tons of AN would be roughly the equivalent of a W25 nuclear warhead. That's crazy. Why was it stored there for 7 years, all together, in a busy port. Never sold, moved, or at least spread out. It should be stored in magazines specific distances from other structures(talking hundreds of feet) with maximums per magazine of less than 10% of that amount. I'm guessing it was being used as a black market explosive supply. Nothing to do with the explosion, but likely the reason it was kept there and not moved somewhere that'd it be obvious if was being passed off to militants. Of course same applies to fireworks, a fireworks warehouse next to an AN warehouse. No limits on capacity, no minimum distancing from other buildings. Brilliant. Those images of the destruction are horrible. We're not talking about an intact, first world country are we? Let's say that the rules are a little relaxed. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:46:13 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That WASN'T fireworks. Black powder doesn't have that kind of blast propagation. Fireworks might have started it, but did not create that massive explosion. It might have been something like potassium perchlorate. I believe that's what caused the famous explosion years ago that happened near (IIRC) Los Vegas. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:46:26 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I watched the frame by frame at .25 speed. There appears to be vapor, not smoke because it isn't rising, against the grain silo toward the the fire and when the secondary explosion goes off. The secondary propagates up the cloud as if there was unburned fuel/vapor in the cloud. I saw fuel because no matter what is going boom it is fuel. I think rocket fuel could still be involved. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The one angle from up high a couple miles away with the warehouses in a line was really good. Showed stuff cooking off in N warehouse, bigger boom, then it’s like the N warehouse boom triggered the explosive in the S warehouse which resulted in the shockwave. All that orange smoke was coming from the N one which makes me think the AM was there and just burning. I watched the frame by frame at .25 speed. There appears to be vapor, not smoke because it isn't rising, against the grain silo toward the the fire and when the secondary explosion goes off. The secondary propagates up the cloud as if there was unburned fuel/vapor in the cloud. I saw fuel because no matter what is going boom it is fuel. I think rocket fuel could still be involved. lax standards mean big mistakes, big mistakes mean big explosions. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:47:36 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been following this thread all day, but I haven't really had any good opportunities to post. Here are some random replies: 1) The idea that this was some kind of weapons depot for military munitions is really iffy. If this was full of things like that, there would be rocket caps/motors, mortar fins, and other things of that nature flung all over the city, and we'd have photos of it by now. Raw explosives/materials are one thing, but constructed munitions are another. 2) Air burst explosions are a function of direction/angle. Any symmetrical explosive (basically anything that's not a shaped charge or a claymore type device) is going to try to send energy in all directions equally. If that device is on the surface, half the energy will go into the ground, most of the remaining half will go into the atmosphere, and only a narrow band will go out along the surface where there are people, structures, or other targets. If you detonate an explosive above the surface, there's a much wider angle of target area within a lethal distance. It might be helpful to think of an artillery shell instead of a nuke. 3) No matter who is saying it, the idea that this was a planned attack is really thin... What nation or organization meets all of the following conditions: 1- Hates Lebanon 2- Is willing to execute a mass-casualty attack on a civilian populated area within Lebanon during a time of relative peace. 3- Would not take credit for said attack 4- Would be called out by the United States Even if there's a plausible answer to all of that, why would any attack start with an adjacent structure fire. Who could have set it off to deny the Hezbollah or Iran from using it in Syria or Israel? Either Mossad or FPS is my guess... I will say it was the Russians. They give no fucks. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:51:21 PM EST
[#46]
HAVE WE DONE THE CONVERSIONS TO MEASURE THIS THING IN NUT COAL YET?
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:52:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That explosion was as close to nuclear as you're gonna see. Amazing
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:53:24 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The official story is that it was ammonium nitrate. Ammonium nitrate turns into nitrous oxides and ammonia. Nitrogen dioxide is brown orange and this is the color of the smoke cloud when it was dissipated. It seems the purple smoke color was not the result of the work of satan, but the concentrated color effect of NO2 and the other combusted gasses. The orange cloud indicates a predominantly high amount of nitrogen dioxide as one of the main products of the reaction so you can call it a nitrate explosion. Blast yield: Those people from the video got hit with a pressure wave flying between .5 to 1 psi and they were about to 2km away from the blast. If you look up a damage zone table for a nuke, .5 to 1 psi at 2km is the sort of pressure wave you get from a 1 kiloton explosion. The theoretical yield of 2700 tons of ammonium nitrate with a relative effectiveness factor of .42, gives an equivalent theoretical yield of 1.134 kilotons of TNT. So these Lebanese dudes just experienced a one kiloton event. I thought there would be more destruction at ground zero but the majority of the energy seems to have been projected vertically. The severe and moderate damage zone for a kiloton is a 500 meter radius from the explosion. Since this was on the port area no major buildings were vaporized. The light damage zone is up to a kilometer and everyone lost windows up to 3 kilometers away. As Al Powell would say: They're gonna need a shitliad of new screen doors. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was just checking the amounts in that explosion 2300 tons of picric acid, 200 tons tnt, several tons gas and gun cotton. Not knowing how the 2 would compare pound for pound but if the 2700 tons we are told her is correct, this is probably larger The official story is that it was ammonium nitrate. Ammonium nitrate turns into nitrous oxides and ammonia. Nitrogen dioxide is brown orange and this is the color of the smoke cloud when it was dissipated. It seems the purple smoke color was not the result of the work of satan, but the concentrated color effect of NO2 and the other combusted gasses. The orange cloud indicates a predominantly high amount of nitrogen dioxide as one of the main products of the reaction so you can call it a nitrate explosion. Blast yield: Those people from the video got hit with a pressure wave flying between .5 to 1 psi and they were about to 2km away from the blast. If you look up a damage zone table for a nuke, .5 to 1 psi at 2km is the sort of pressure wave you get from a 1 kiloton explosion. The theoretical yield of 2700 tons of ammonium nitrate with a relative effectiveness factor of .42, gives an equivalent theoretical yield of 1.134 kilotons of TNT. So these Lebanese dudes just experienced a one kiloton event. I thought there would be more destruction at ground zero but the majority of the energy seems to have been projected vertically. The severe and moderate damage zone for a kiloton is a 500 meter radius from the explosion. Since this was on the port area no major buildings were vaporized. The light damage zone is up to a kilometer and everyone lost windows up to 3 kilometers away. As Al Powell would say: They're gonna need a shitliad of new screen doors. The silos held, wonder how much force they directed away? |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:58:55 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not 100% correct. TM added fuel to the AN to make ANFO. Along with 350lbs of high explosive he stole from a rock quarry IIrc. It was also purposefully shape charged to some degree. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:59:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those gloves . I have seen them before , the palms are like a textured soft silicone compound. They are to handle things that are wet and slippery... Hmmm.. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Screen grab from moment of blast impact. Was this dude riding a bike that disintegrated?  https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/148098/FCDBCCBD-5773-4E4F-90BD-8F5FC302B4AD-1532480.png This guy seems to be wearing a wet suit with weight belt.Wonder what he was doing at the time of the explosion? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/116570/FCDBCCBD-5773-4E4F-90BD-8F5FC302B4AD-153-1532630.JPG Those gloves . I have seen them before , the palms are like a textured soft silicone compound. They are to handle things that are wet and slippery... Hmmm.. Ouch. Wonder how far away he landed?   |
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