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Posted: 3/16/2024 6:17:35 PM EDT
Last time I was at the Pentagon and saw a couple meritorious service medal license plates, this time National Defense Service Medal.
After this https://www.dvidshub.net/video/915823/officials-testify-pacific-islands-strategy the weather was nice for the weekend in the beltway so I swung by Annapolis before heading to NYC. Saw this guy pass by me People can buy and wear whatever they like, freedom of choice but im wondering why I keep seeing these kinds of medals rather than campaign medals or valor awards. I’m guessing that jacket wasn’t cheap.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 6:29:16 PM EDT
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Help me out here. What am I looking at? I was never in the military.
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Posted: 3/16/2024 6:30:32 PM EDT
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National Defense Service Medal, I think.
If that’s the case, it is no longer issued. |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 6:31:31 PM EDT
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Isn’t that the military’s version of a participation trophy
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Posted: 3/16/2024 6:32:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: National defense service metal, I think. Medal |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 6:32:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Help me out here. What am I looking at? I was never in the military. Issued to anyone who was .mil during war on terrorism whether deployed or did not deploy  National Defense Service Medal No Longer Authorized in 2023! Who is authorized the NDSM?? |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 6:33:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Medal Corrected, thank you. |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 6:34:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn’t that the military’s version of a participation trophy Pretty much https://www.afpc.af.mil/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/421890/national-defense-service-medal/  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 6:37:28 PM EDT
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So my Honor Grad jacket isn’t cool any more?
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Posted: 3/16/2024 6:40:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So my Honor Grad jacket isn’t cool any more? I realized going thru my Grandmother’s stuff after her funeral I have no idea whatever happened to my high school letterman jacket - fake leather sleeves and pins for track ( I absolutely sucked at it ) swim team {was pretty good} and football { I was 2nd string cornerback and 3rd string quarterback } |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 6:41:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Issued to anyone who was .mil during war on terrorism whether deployed or did not deploy  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2Ou65-CsLgQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Help me out here. What am I looking at? I was never in the military. Issued to anyone who was .mil during war on terrorism whether deployed or did not deploy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2Ou65-CsLgthanks for the explanation. Sometimes you .mil dudes talk in a language I don’t understand 
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Posted: 3/16/2024 6:43:43 PM EDT
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That shit used to be given away. Only a tool would buy a jacket with a medal on it.
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Posted: 3/16/2024 6:44:33 PM EDT
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Quoted: Last time I was at the Pentagon and saw a couple meritorious service medal license plates, this time National Defense Service Medal. After this https://www.dvidshub.net/video/915823/officials-testify-pacific-islands-strategy the weather was nice for the weekend in the beltway so I swung by Annapolis before heading to NYC. Saw this guy pass by me People can buy and wear whatever they like, freedom of choice but im wondering why I keep seeing these kinds of medals rather than campaign medals or valor awards. I’m guessing that jacket wasn’t cheap. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_0983_jpeg-3160842.JPG A lot of people get MSM or BSM license plates because they are either free in that state or significantly reduced in price. I typically get one car with PH plates for free and one with BSM plates for like $12 annual registration. I don't wear a leather jacket with them on it though. 
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Posted: 3/16/2024 6:45:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: thanks for the explanation. Sometimes you .mil dudes talk in a language I don’t understand I try to make it plain English for most of my .mil related threads or include photos graphs or screenshots with info but was trying to figure out how best to break it down but had some trouble thinking of how to relate it to a civilian equivalent |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 6:46:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A lot of people get MSM or BSM license plates because they are either free in that state or significantly reduced in price. I typically get one car with PH plates for free and one with BSM plates for like $12 annual registration. I don't wear a leather jacket with them on it though. Okay boom I knew there had to be a rational logical explanation- THANKS! 
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Posted: 3/16/2024 6:46:50 PM EDT
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Quoted: Last time I was at the Pentagon and saw a couple meritorious service medal license plates, this time National Defense Service Medal. After this https://www.dvidshub.net/video/915823/officials-testify-pacific-islands-strategy the weather was nice for the weekend in the beltway so I swung by Annapolis before heading to NYC. Saw this guy pass by me People can buy and wear whatever they like, freedom of choice but im wondering why I keep seeing these kinds of medals rather than campaign medals or valor awards. I’m guessing that jacket wasn’t cheap. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_0983_jpeg-3160842.JPG That's not a jacket you get at the store. That's a motorcycle club. Their center patch is a ribbon they've earned, according to their website. That guy who rode past you is a hero. He earned the NDSM. |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 6:47:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/16/2024 6:49:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistorySir I find your avatar very distracting. |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 6:49:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A lot of people get MSM or BSM license plates because they are either free in that state or significantly reduced in price. I typically get one car with PH plates for free and one with BSM plates for like $12 annual registration. I don't wear a leather jacket with them on it though. Quote HistoryQuoted: A lot of people get MSM or BSM license plates because they are either free in that state or significantly reduced in price. I typically get one car with PH plates for free and one with BSM plates for like $12 annual registration. I don't wear a leather jacket with them on it though. Here in Texas, DV (Disabled Veteran) plates are $3/year. I get that people get the other military plates, especially if they're cheaper. 
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Posted: 3/16/2024 6:51:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: thanks for the explanation. Sometimes you .mil dudes talk in a language I don’t understand @DenverDan This 11 second video always made me laugh  Red Dwarf Long Service |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 6:53:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's not a jacket you get at the store. That's a motorcycle club. Their center patch is a ribbon they've earned, according to their website. That guy who rode past you is a hero. He earned the NDSM. Well shit they should name a highway after him
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Posted: 3/16/2024 6:53:39 PM EDT
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Isn’t that the military’s version of a participation trophy It's a participation trophy, but only for participation during certain periods. Yes, it is pretty minimal. A step beyond simply serving. Many will enlist when there is less possibility of actually going to war. When there is conflict going on, some will be less likely to enlist. This doesn't mean a whole lot since one could enlist during a perceived peaceful time where it is not issued and during that person's service conflicts occur and it gets issued. You don't do anything special to get it, nor can you do anything to avoid getting it. |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 6:53:56 PM EDT
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I’ll be damned. Wonder if MSM plates are discounted. I don’t have any cool-guy warhero ones, but I’ve got some MSM’s and Air Medals
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Posted: 3/16/2024 6:56:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ll be damned. Wonder if MSM plates are discounted. I don’t have any cool-guy warhero ones, but I’ve got some MSM’s and Air Medals I’m so clueless I’ve been missing out on the possibility of cheaper plates but I have gotten into national parks
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Posted: 3/16/2024 6:56:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Issued to anyone who was .mil during war on terrorism whether deployed or did not deploy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2Ou65-CsLgAlso Gulf War. |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 6:57:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @DenverDan This 11 second video always made me laugh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etb2LGjY3i0Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: thanks for the explanation. Sometimes you .mil dudes talk in a language I don’t understand @DenverDan This 11 second video always made me laugh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etb2LGjY3i0 That’s pretty good. |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 6:59:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn’t that the military’s version of a participation trophy Yep. I think it would actually be a funny inside joke license plate for combat arms dudes. *The "I'm a God damn war hero" meme is spot on.
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Posted: 3/16/2024 7:00:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ll be damned. Wonder if MSM plates are discounted. I don’t have any cool-guy warhero ones, but I’ve got some MSM’s and Air Medals I don't know about VA but in Texas BSM/MSM plates are $6 plus fees (comes out to about $12) versus $80+. I pay a $3.50 fee every year to register my truck with PH plates. |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 7:00:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ll be damned. Wonder if MSM plates are discounted. I don’t have any cool-guy warhero ones, but I’ve got some MSM’s and Air Medals You can get a medal plate here but it costs you extra. I don't know anyone that has paid the extra for one. |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 7:02:12 PM EDT
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When I enlisted in 72, it was called a "everybody" ribbon.
Retiring in 92, a oak leaf was added to it. |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 7:05:23 PM EDT
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For all of you GD war heroes, what WOULD be an appropriate award to adorn across your motorcycle jacket?
Good Conduct would be hilarious. |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 7:06:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For all of you GD war heroes, what WOULD be an appropriate award to adorn across your motorcycle jacket? Good Conduct would be hilarious. ASR |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 7:08:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn’t that the military’s version of a participation trophy Yes the national defense service medal is. The Meritorious service medal is actually a higher medal that is for actual achievement |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 7:12:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's not a jacket you get at the store. That's a motorcycle club. Their center patch is a ribbon they've earned, according to their website. That guy who rode past you is a hero. He earned the NDSM. |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 7:12:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes the national defense service medal is. The Meritorious service medal is actually a higher medal that is for actual achievement It depends. Some MSMs are the minimum service reward for certain ranks, regardless of any career achievements. Like Bronze Stars. |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 7:13:56 PM EDT
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Yes, I received a participation medal from Uncle Sam.
No, I would never do anything to advertise that fact. |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 7:18:23 PM EDT
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Two kinda different things
Kids were walking out of AF basic wearing the National Defense one (plus PME ribbon and one other I think, not counting marksman or honor grad). Up to 5 damn ribbons after 8 weeks . We like our flair.MSM is more based on performance, usually peacetime, and is pretty much an E-7+ or O medal. And when I say performance, I mean didn't fuck up during their time between PCSing. His jacket is pretty much the equivalent of "I served" |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 7:23:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Also Gulf War. Yeah, my mistake, was only thinking of most recent period |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 7:30:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ASR Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For all of you GD war heroes, what WOULD be an appropriate award to adorn across your motorcycle jacket? Good Conduct would be hilarious. ASR The much coveted AAM |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 7:33:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The much coveted AAM Only those, who achieve, get the AAM. 
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Posted: 3/16/2024 7:34:41 PM EDT
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Did they finally stop the border invasion?
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Posted: 3/16/2024 7:36:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For all of you GD war heroes, what WOULD be an appropriate award to adorn across your motorcycle jacket? Good Conduct would be hilarious. For discount license plates I’d use anything from the state allowed but jacket I’m still leery of wearing anything I can’t quickly cover or remove if my spidey senses were going off e.g. Lee Rigby  Soldier killed in London But to answer your question for me valor awards or PH Although I don’t think many companies have V device for their BSM leather patches  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 7:41:49 PM EDT
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Wearing motorcycle colors that say "Warrior" to me is an indicator that he is not. Considering for years boots graduating basic were issued the National Defense Medal should tell you something about the person wearing that jacket. I'm embarrassed for him. David
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Posted: 3/16/2024 7:41:53 PM EDT
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Nobody gives a shit about any awards one received except that person.
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Posted: 3/16/2024 7:55:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only those, who achieve, get the AAM. I actually got a miniature of it and the NDSM I put on my suit lapel. The only ribbon I give a shit about is this one and I had to hunt down a lapel pin online. The one I got fighting with Captain Plissken, the Siberian Campaign Ribbon:  All the fucking lapel pins are different sizes. I wonder if I could get a couple more of the Siberian ones and get someone to paint them to match the NDSF and the AAM. I told a co-worker who is a retired Marine F/A-18 pilot, when asked, the AAM was the Army Medal for Meritorious Pulse and Metabolism. The awards ceremony went like this as memory recalls:  S03E24 - First Annual Montgomery Burns Award for Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Excellence |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 7:56:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I actually got a miniature of it and the NDSM I put on my suit lapel. The only ribbon I give a shit about is this one and I had to hunt down a lapel pin online. The one I got fighting with Captain Plissken, the Siberian Campaign Ribbon: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1878/IMG_2570-3160960.jpg Extremely rare combat service ribbon. |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 7:57:40 PM EDT
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National Defense Medal is pretty much a participation award, everybody got them during Desert Storm. Don't ever think about it.
Meritorious Service Medal and Air Medal, not so much. I've received two of each and still never advertised it (up until right now), and don't expect I ever will again. That was 34 years ago. |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 7:58:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody gives a shit about any awards one received except that person. My DMV does. I'm fine with saving $200 a year. |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 8:00:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn’t that the military’s version of a participation trophy Yup |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 8:01:54 PM EDT
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That shit is terrible. I bet he eats free 6 times on Veterans Day.
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Posted: 3/16/2024 8:05:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For all of you GD war heroes, what WOULD be an appropriate award to adorn across your motorcycle jacket? Marksman badge |
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