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Posted: 10/7/2018 1:15:56 PM EDT
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https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--sywXB-yF74/TYupWdrBjXI/AAAAAAAAAn4/OP6mG_tCIcg/s1600/mig+31+firefox+by+jet+planes+%25283%2529.jpg You must post, in Russian... |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 6:35:13 AM EDT
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And it appears the navigator is equipped with a slide rule... |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 6:39:50 AM EDT
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Read a article that said these where made to counter SR-71. That these planes succeeded in stopping over flights from SR-71. Any stories on that or truth?
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Posted: 10/8/2018 8:04:26 AM EDT
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Does it have that beautiful green hue that the Ruskies are so fond of? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The inside of the cockpit looks like the dashboard of an old tractor. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 8:13:43 AM EDT
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Can it do a negative G push over?
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Posted: 10/8/2018 8:15:35 AM EDT
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Soviet spies inside the Canadian CF-105 Arrow plant halted production. The fucking Russians have always been better at copying and reverse engineering, than coming up with new ideas . Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Russians have been effectively out of the combat aircraft business since the captured Germans died and their captured German research went out of date. The fucking Russians have always been better at copying and reverse engineering, than coming up with new ideas . |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 8:20:38 AM EDT
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I don't recall them being that maintenance intensive, but there was definitely a "war emergency" setting that allowed the 25 (and probably 31) to hit speeds around mach 3.1 or 3.2 for a limited time at the expense of pretty much totalling the engines. IIRC the usual "safe" maximum speed was mach 2.8, but I could be totally off base. ETA according to wikipedia I'm right so I'm probably wrong  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wasn’t it only able to go afterburners once before having its engines replaced or something similar? Edit: I think the above refers to the Mig25. ETA according to wikipedia I'm right so I'm probably wrong Then a Mig 25 defected and we realized it was a POS... |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 8:22:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That was historically our strength as well, against the Brits & French. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 8:27:42 AM EDT
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Magnesium Chromate everything Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The inside of the cockpit looks like the dashboard of an old tractor. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 8:33:55 AM EDT
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Our guys were afraid of this thing until we got ahold of Belenko's and realized that the only thing it was any good at was going fast in a straight line.
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Posted: 10/8/2018 8:39:18 AM EDT
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Our guys were afraid of this thing until we got ahold of Belenko's and realized that the only thing it was any good at was going fast in a straight line. Not exotic alloy at all, just heavy ass steel beam. LMAO |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 8:41:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks armed for short and medium range engagements to me. Maybe they learned from the Korea Air incident, but I wouldn't chance it. If I had to guess based on how this one is armed, they might be made to make visual ID before engaging. https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/5/0/0/2160005.jpg?v=v40 |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 8:47:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The R-37 missiles it is carrying on the fuselage are afaik the longest ranged air to air weapons in the world. They are also most effective vs large targets like airliners.
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Posted: 10/8/2018 8:50:17 AM EDT
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Russian products look like they are cobbled together out of recycle soup cans. ETA; However, Khabib Nurmagomedov did kick Conor McGregor's ass last night in Vegas. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 9:04:44 AM EDT
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The narrator kept talking about all the G-forces from flying so fast and high. Flying fast and high do not produce Gs, turning or accelerating does. Then he directly conflates vibrations with G-forces
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Some of the guys also say that the plane can shoot down satellites. Hmm, let's do the math. MiG-31 Max speed 3,000kph Max height 25,000m Satellite Average speed ~25,000kph Average height 200,000m A satellite is more than eight times faster and eight times higher. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 9:05:03 AM EDT
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Read a article that said these where made to counter SR-71. That these planes succeeded in stopping over flights from SR-71. Any stories on that or truth?
B-70 and no. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 9:14:57 AM EDT
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The narrator kept talking about all the G-forces from flying so fast and high. Flying fast and high do not produce Gs, turning or accelerating does. Then he directly conflates vibrations with G-forces . He had no idea what he was talking about, and neither did the writer.
Some of the guys also say that the plane can shoot down satellites. Hmm, let's do the math. MiG-31 Max speed 3,000kph Max height 25,000m Satellite Average speed ~25,000kph Average height 200,000m A satellite is more than eight times faster and eight times higher. 
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Posted: 10/8/2018 9:21:55 AM EDT
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The Mig-31 has been a POS for over 3 decades.
I doubt it has changed any |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 9:48:33 AM EDT
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The narrator kept talking about all the G-forces from flying so fast and high. Flying fast and high do not produce Gs, turning or accelerating does. Then he directly conflates vibrations with G-forces . He had no idea what he was talking about, and neither did the writer.
Some of the guys also say that the plane can shoot down satellites. Hmm, let's do the math. MiG-31 Max speed 3,000kph Max height 25,000m Satellite Average speed ~25,000kph Average height 200,000m A satellite is more than eight times faster and eight times higher. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 10:18:40 AM EDT
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The narrator kept talking about all the G-forces from flying so fast and high. Flying fast and high do not produce Gs, turning or accelerating does. Then he directly conflates vibrations with G-forces . He had no idea what he was talking about, and neither did the writer.
Some of the guys also say that the plane can shoot down satellites. Hmm, let's do the math. MiG-31 Max speed 3,000kph Max height 25,000m Satellite Average speed ~25,000kph Average height 200,000m A satellite is more than eight times faster and eight times higher. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 10:38:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With the proper missile tech it is possible. We tested a F-15 launched anti sat missile decades ago. F-15 went vertical as far as it could before launch. Think we have better ways to smoke sats now though. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 10:42:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then it's not a feature of the plane, but the missile. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 10:48:31 AM EDT
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Anyone else missing that Primorsky guy right about now? Remember when he said the Bear bombers were like "sex in skies"  |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 11:15:10 AM EDT
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Read a article that said these where made to counter SR-71. That these planes succeeded in stopping over flights from SR-71. Any stories on that or truth? Mig 25 was made to counter the B-58 Hustler, (in particular, the proposed "Super Hustler" system that was never built, and the XB-70 Valkyrie Mach 3 heavy bomber that was also never built. It appears to be based on the airframe of the Mach 2 Vigilante. 
"Super Hustler" parasite beneath B-58 Hustler carrier 
XB-70 landing. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 11:18:13 AM EDT
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Read a article that said these where made to counter SR-71. That these planes succeeded in stopping over flights from SR-71. Any stories on that or truth? |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 11:50:57 AM EDT
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No. It will still be some time IMHO before the true top speed and ceiling of the SR-71 are declassified. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Read a article that said these where made to counter SR-71. That these planes succeeded in stopping over flights from SR-71. Any stories on that or truth? |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 12:12:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. It will still be some time IMHO before the true top speed and ceiling of the SR-71 are declassified. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 12:23:01 PM EDT
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No. It will still be some time IMHO before the true top speed and ceiling of the SR-71 are declassified. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Read a article that said these where made to counter SR-71. That these planes succeeded in stopping over flights from SR-71. Any stories on that or truth? |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 12:26:40 PM EDT
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It's not really a secret - around Mach 3.43 and in excess of 90,000 feet. However, if you would like to use the engines again, best keep it under Mach 3.3. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: No. It will still be some time IMHO before the true top speed and ceiling of the SR-71 are declassified. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 12:59:41 PM EDT
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Noisy, ugly, sloppy, expensive, messy, and often causing regret afterwards? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone else missing that Primorsky guy right about now? Remember when he said the Bear bombers were like "sex in skies" 
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Posted: 10/8/2018 1:19:10 PM EDT
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Where do they hide all the fuel that those giant engines have to drink like vodka?
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Posted: 10/8/2018 1:39:21 PM EDT
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Then it's not a feature of the plane, but the missile. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: With the proper missile tech it is possible. We tested a F-15 launched anti sat missile decades ago. F-15 went vertical as far as it could before launch. Think we have better ways to smoke sats now though. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 2:19:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where do they hide all the fuel that those giant engines have to drink like vodka? |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 2:23:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/8/2018 2:25:24 PM EDT
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Magnesium Chromate is red/orange. Maybe you're thinking of zinc chromate? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The inside of the cockpit looks like the dashboard of an old tractor. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 3:03:19 PM EDT
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< 90,000 for 1g flight Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 10/8/2018 3:18:33 PM EDT
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IMHO excess of 90,000 feet sounds a bit vague. Also most of the specs I read said excess of 80,000 feet. So right there it's gained 10,000 ft in ceiling. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: No. It will still be some time IMHO before the true top speed and ceiling of the SR-71 are declassified. It's gotten 10% faster in 25 years, but the point about it not having a speed limit, but a temperature limit is very interesting. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 3:18:40 PM EDT
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IMHO excess of 90,000 feet sounds a bit vague. Also most of the specs I read said excess of 80,000 feet. So right there it's gained 10,000 ft in ceiling. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 10/8/2018 6:09:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where do they hide all the fuel that those giant engines have to drink like vodka? |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 6:21:58 PM EDT
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That these planes succeeded in stopping over flights from SR-71. Any stories on that or truth? |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 6:22:08 PM EDT
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Space affairs use to give civvies rides in their Mig 31 but it's no longer available. I think at the time I saw the price was about $15,000 to ride to 90,000+ feet. All civilian flights there were suspended in 2017.
https://www.space-affairs.com/  MIG-25 - Earthviews - To The Edge Of Space - 92,500 ft |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 6:27:11 PM EDT
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But are the pilots sober?
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Posted: 10/8/2018 6:27:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did the SR71 actually overfly any of the Soviet Union? Lots of times. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 6:29:27 PM EDT
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The R-37 missiles it is carrying on the fuselage are afaik the longest ranged air to air weapons in the world. They are also most effective vs large targets like airliners. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Looks armed for short and medium range engagements to me. Maybe they learned from the Korea Air incident, but I wouldn't chance it. If I had to guess based on how this one is armed, they might be made to make visual ID before engaging. https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/5/0/0/2160005.jpg?v=v40 |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 6:46:30 PM EDT
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So $25000 to ride one ?
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Posted: 10/8/2018 6:56:21 PM EDT
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So $25000 to ride one ? 
https://www.migflug.com/en/jet-fighter-flights/flying-with-a-jet/mig-29-edge-of-space.html |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 7:04:53 PM EDT
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I'm guessing you've never had to fly against an Su-30MKK or Su-30 MKI. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Russians have been effectively out of the combat aircraft business since the captured Germans died and their captured German research went out of date. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 7:21:36 PM EDT
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Yeah, that’s it...... should have remembered considering all the Russkie models I built and having a hard time finding that paint color for the cockpit Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 10/8/2018 8:42:50 PM EDT
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keep thisn' going
Russia MiG-31 carrying Kinzhal hypersonic missile  Attached Filestill a mean looking bird for what its worth |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 8:51:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aeromaster made that color...I have a bottle or two of it stashed away They have ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the fucking colors of every fucking thing you could imagine. Some goddamned obscure german camo paint that was only used on 87 tanks made from June of 42' to Feb of 43'. Yah, they've got it. |
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