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Posted: 1/14/2022 3:09:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think you would fit in nicely in Northern Idaho, if you could find property. Property values have shot up as people flee Blue states. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 3:25:10 AM EDT
[#2]
Northern Arizona.
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Posted: 1/14/2022 3:43:45 AM EDT
[#3]
South Dakota. It gets cold, but I think it meets all of the requirements you listed.
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Posted: 1/14/2022 4:28:29 AM EDT
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Think temperate climate Surviving brutal cold winters is hard.
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Posted: 1/14/2022 7:27:48 AM EDT
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Check the taxes for each area.
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Posted: 1/14/2022 7:30:36 AM EDT
[#6]
Arizona
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Posted: 1/14/2022 7:32:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Central or East Tn |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 7:34:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Northern MN. Jobs farm land out of the way lots of area and water MN is about as blue as states come.... |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 7:42:19 AM EDT
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My pick would be somewhere in the area where Virginia, West Virginia, and Kentucky all come together.
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Posted: 1/14/2022 8:10:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Come to Iowa dude. We will welcome your kind here |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 8:13:43 AM EDT
[#11]
Quoted: Hi all, Old time member, been inactive for a while. We moved to Europe some years ago but the covid is turning this place into a dictatorial dystopian hell. We're always worried that someone is going to jam a needle into our kid's arms. We've decided to move back to the US and I'm looking for some advice on where to move. While we're not sure that this scenario will play out we do believe that it is a possibility, and if it does occur, we may see some period of worldwide famine. Its already too lte for nearly 1.5 billion human beings who may die from covid vaccines We are concerned about this and we're looking for a way to be able to sustain ourselves in regards to food, ie, a small farm. If where you live fits these requirements or you know of a place that does, I'd love to hear from you and your views/opinions on this subject. We're looking for a place to live: * Has natural rainfall * Has a natural water supply (pre-industrialization) in the form of a pond, lake, running stream/river and/or access to ground water. I have a concern that if dams fail and/or there is an energy crunch and no ability to move water under power. * Is a red state * The state government respects a citizen's rights to make their own medical decisions and doesn't believe in pushing immoral and illegal mandates * A pro-gun state that believes in the 2nd amendment * Has pro-carry laws * And of course, we're looking for a 'conservative' area * We would like to be "out of the way" - somewhere that won't get a lot of attention, a bit secluded, can I say rural? Can't be too far from a big city. * Looking for lots of nature I appreciate anyone and everyone's input. Disclaimer: I'm not looking for a covid debate. I believe you have a right to your own opinions and to make your own health choices. I respect your right to make your own decisions and I expect that you will respect mine Michigan should be high on your list. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 8:16:49 AM EDT
[#12]
South Dakota is my vote.
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Posted: 1/14/2022 8:22:07 AM EDT
[#13]
Louisville Kentucky will be perfect for you OP that's where they make the aluminum foil that appears to be essential to you and your life after reading your post !
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Posted: 1/14/2022 8:31:42 AM EDT
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Quoted: Missouri is great, Springfield area is nice, lots of outdoor recreation. Quoted: South Dakota Black Hills Quoted: Northern MN. Jobs farm land out of the way lots of area and water |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 8:33:42 AM EDT
[#15]
You described West Virginia to a 'T'!
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Posted: 1/14/2022 8:40:22 AM EDT
[#16]
Why did you leave the US?
How will you vote when you get back? |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 8:40:56 AM EDT
[#17]
Normally its fuck off we're full.....But check out Missouri/Kansas. I'm on both sides of these two states.
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Posted: 1/14/2022 8:42:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just curious, what is the temperature up there tonight? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ohio, buddy. We check all the boxes, but we fly under the radar. True. Just curious, what is the temperature up there tonight?  OP I am living on basically what you described. NW Ohio Rural 12 acres with ~1000' of creek bordering one side of my property. Like minded neighbors not too close, and farmland all around. About 20 minutes to the grocery store. I would like more acreage, but other than that, it's about ideal. Paid $168k for the property 6 years ago. The sad part is that it is worth 3 times that now, and the taxes have increased to reflect that. I don't care what it's worth, because I'm not leaving. Good luck with your search |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 8:46:02 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty good description of Missouri outside of St. Louis or Kansas City Beat me to it. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 8:46:50 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The free state of Florida. You can live here year-round with no heat or air conditioning if you had to. Electric rates are lower than national average. You can get water anywhere and pump it with a traditional pitcher pump the groundwater is so high. We have the largest cow calf operation in the United States at the Deseret Ranch and the county I live in has more cows than people. Gardens grow year round. No state income tax. Recently announced that there are now more registered Republicans in Florida than Democrats. Trump won here both elections. Concealed Carry Permits are easy to get here and open carry is kind of a mixed bag, but you can carry one in your car with no permit whatsoever. Pond in front yard is fine for flushing toilets or irrigation etc but with the hand pump I can drink the same water I drink now so I don't really need to worry about purifying upon water. It's 55° at 11:30 p.m. on January 13th. Compare that to some of the other suggestions, LOL! And Florida has more rain than any other of the lower 48 states. Cisterns and rain barrels work pretty well here too. https://i.imgur.com/7Apz5fT.jpeg I was going to say NH but FL is better. 
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Posted: 1/14/2022 9:18:02 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A good freeze helps keep the riffraff away. OP I am living on basically what you described. NW Ohio Rural 12 acres with ~1000' of creek bordering one side of my property. Like minded neighbors not too close, and farmland all around. About 20 minutes to the grocery store. I would like more acreage, but other than that, it's about ideal. Paid $168k for the property 6 years ago. The sad part is that it is worth 3 times that now, and the taxes have increased to reflect that. I don't care what it's worth, because I'm not leaving. Good luck with your search The thing about Ohio that gets to me is the cloud cover can go on for months. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 9:24:37 AM EDT
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conservative compared to liberal countries in europe like spain? pick any state, CA and NY even check that box.
based on your red requirement i'd look at certain areas of UT, ND, SD, WY, MT, NC, TN, KY possibly areas of ME. FL sort of fits if you like hurricanes. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 9:35:02 AM EDT
[#23]
East Tennessee.
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Posted: 1/14/2022 9:39:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Central or East Tn |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 9:45:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Around Crystal River. Apparently this area almost never gets hit by hurricanes. Wrong. The armpit of FL is the hurricane magnet for storms in the Gulf. Cedar Key frequently gets hit, Apalachicola, Mexico Beach. Hudson FL is on the West below Crystal River North of Tampa, as you get 10 miles or so inland, there is a good bit of rural property, along Hwy 52. HOI is a bitch in FL so be sure you look into the flood map for any property. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 9:48:31 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Missouri is great, Springfield area is nice, lots of outdoor recreation. I would love a place along the Missouri River near Herman or Washington. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 9:50:15 AM EDT
[#27]
SC ain’t too bad near Charleston.
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Posted: 1/14/2022 9:56:32 AM EDT
[#28]
Kansas
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Posted: 1/14/2022 9:59:37 AM EDT
[#29]
Missouri fills them requirements too.
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Posted: 1/14/2022 9:59:58 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty good description of Missouri outside of St. Louis or Kansas City  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 10:05:18 AM EDT
[#31]
Missouri's pretty good. Even comes with free ticks.
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Posted: 1/14/2022 10:13:57 AM EDT
[#32]
Not GA.
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Posted: 1/14/2022 10:26:59 AM EDT
[#33]
Florida is what you really want!! Here's a video of the local Police patrolling a Florida town on any weekend.
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Posted: 1/14/2022 10:33:04 AM EDT
[#34]
Don't sleep on Arkansas. We have constitutional Carry, Red State, Lots of Guns, Mild Winter, Many Lakes and River, Plenty of elevation change, You can grow things year-round, Fruit trees grow, plenty of cattle/pigs/etc. The largest watershed in the country.
Eastern Oklahoma isn't bad either. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 10:40:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/14/2022 10:45:24 AM EDT
[#36]
Mississippi has everything you're looking for.
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Posted: 1/14/2022 10:55:15 AM EDT
[#37]
Missouri is a terrible recommendation.
Heat and humidity in summer, cold humidity and wind in winter. Unpredictable weather. Spring and Fall last about three days each. Tornadoes. Ticks, chiggers, behinders, and hoop snakes. Ghost lights. Bears. Armadillos. Deer as thick as the ticks. Several varieties of rattlesnakes, plus copperhead snakes and cotton mouth snakes. Snapping turtles in every damp hole. Mean ass yellow jackets and hornets. Trailer houses and double wides scattered across the brushy landscape. Rocky, rocky soil; good luck setting a fence post. Heavy red clay soil that will barely raise a hoot. Speaking of hoots, the owls make a racket every evening starting at sun down. Several varieties of thorny trees, as in two inch long thorns. Multi flora rose with tough canes and needles so sharp they will yank you off a tractor. Prickly pear cactus. Dangerous rivers that will drown your children. The Meramec River is a good example. Sink holes that suck everything into the cave below. Often hidden by debris and leaves, in wait for innocents. Flinty gravel roads will wreck the suspension and paint on your vehicles. The Kansas City and St. Louis regions, and increasingly stained by Columbia and Springfield. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 11:02:50 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good question, I'm guessing he's mistaken me for some newb-troll and didn't realize my account is older by twice the 10 years he's been here. Who knows, maybe he's been on this site for 1/2 his lifetime.  As for us, we're so conservative that we're Orthodox (I mean really, we are).  Its quite late here, I appreciate everyone's replies and I'll check the map tomorrow along with some Zillow searches as recommended. Seems that most of these are not too far from eastern MO where my (remaining) guns stay with a best friend. I don’t care about your account age. Lots of red blooded American patriots that love this country leave for Europe. Rofl. So yeah spare me with the I’m a super conservative I promise stuff. ACTIONS>WORDS |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 11:04:26 AM EDT
[#39]
Bonners Ferry Idaho
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Posted: 1/14/2022 11:04:29 AM EDT
[#40]
The U.P. is great if you can do the winters. You have 3 "cities" to consider, from largest to smallest population: Marquette (20K), Sault St. Marie (13K), Escanaba (12K).
Marquette probably has the most stuff like major stores and car dealerships, etc. It's a college town so it's probably pretty blue in town but it gets rural quickly. Winters on Lake Superior are rough. Escanaba has some good amenities too and isn't far from Green Bay, and in that area northern WI is pretty conservative, I'd say. The winters in Escanaba are a bit milder being on the leeward side of the bay. Sault Ste. Marie, MI doesn't have as much stuff as far as cities go, but if you go across to the border to Sault Ste. Marie, Canada they have a ton more stuff. Border crossing is already limited so it could be risky to bank on that in the future. The whole U.P. is pretty red. Despite having Big Gretch as governor, most of the state votes red. The tri-county Detroit area and Lansing alone skew it. The U.P. is kind of the last US frontier and relatively unknown. Hopefully it doesn't start getting taken over like every other good place seems to be lately. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 11:04:49 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Missouri is a terrible recommendation. Heat and humidity in summer, cold humidity and wind in winter. Unpredictable weather. Spring and Fall last about three days each. Tornadoes. Ticks, chiggers, behinders, and hoop snakes. Ghost lights. Bears. Armadillos. Deer as thick as the ticks. Several varieties of rattlesnakes, plus copperhead snakes and cotton mouth snakes. Snapping turtles in every damp hole. Mean ass yellow jackets and hornets. Trailer houses and double wides scattered across the brushy landscape. Rocky, rocky soil; good luck setting a fence post. Heavy red clay soil that will barely raise a hoot. Speaking of hoots, the owls make a racket every evening starting at sun down. Several varieties of thorny trees, as in two inch long thorns. Multi flora rose with tough canes and needles so sharp they will yank you off a tractor. Prickly pear cactus. Dangerous rivers that will drown your children. The Meramec River is a good example. Sink holes that suck everything into the cave below. Often hidden by debris and leaves, in wait for innocents. Flinty gravel roads will wreck the suspension and paint on your vehicles. The Kansas City and St. Louis regions, and increasingly stained by Columbia and Springfield. That's all pretty accurate. 'Merica. 
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Posted: 1/14/2022 2:01:10 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The free state of Florida. You can live here year-round with no heat or air conditioning if you had to. Electric rates are lower than national average. You can get water anywhere and pump it with a traditional pitcher pump the groundwater is so high. We have the largest cow calf operation in the United States at the Deseret Ranch and the county I live in has more cows than people. Gardens grow year round. No state income tax. Recently announced that there are now more registered Republicans in Florida than Democrats. Trump won here both elections. Concealed Carry Permits are easy to get here and open carry is kind of a mixed bag, but you can carry one in your car with no permit whatsoever. Pond in front yard is fine for flushing toilets or irrigation etc but with the hand pump I can drink the same water I drink now so I don't really need to worry about purifying upon water. It's 55° at 11:30 p.m. on January 13th. Compare that to some of the other suggestions, LOL! And Florida has more rain than any other of the lower 48 states. Cisterns and rain barrels work pretty well here too. https://i.imgur.com/7Apz5fT.jpeg Looks brushy AF. Bet you got alot of critters that bite there . |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 2:04:28 PM EDT
[#43]
Alaska or Montana.
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Posted: 1/14/2022 2:16:43 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Alaska or Montana. Both are colder and more liberal than idaho |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 2:55:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty good description of Missouri outside of St. Louis or Kansas City But, it is a nice place to live. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 5:02:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @raven Wrong. The armpit of FL is the hurricane magnet for storms in the Gulf. Cedar Key frequently gets hit, Apalachicola, Mexico Beach. Hudson FL is on the West below Crystal River North of Tampa, as you get 10 miles or so inland, there is a good bit of rural property, along Hwy 52. HOI is a bitch in FL so be sure you look into the flood map for any property. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Around Crystal River. Apparently this area almost never gets hit by hurricanes. Wrong. The armpit of FL is the hurricane magnet for storms in the Gulf. Cedar Key frequently gets hit, Apalachicola, Mexico Beach. Hudson FL is on the West below Crystal River North of Tampa, as you get 10 miles or so inland, there is a good bit of rural property, along Hwy 52. HOI is a bitch in FL so be sure you look into the flood map for any property. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 5:04:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Alaska or Montana. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 5:07:39 PM EDT
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Come to Texas, everybody else is.
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Posted: 1/14/2022 5:15:31 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: East Oklahoma would fit your needs. It seems like there is a small pond every 100 feet there. This.. eastern or southeastern Oklahoma. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 5:15:36 PM EDT
[#50]
West Michigan fits the bill as sometimes we get a R Guv, I live rural on a well and septic, with rivers and lakes.
But it snows, and gets cold. and to cue Jimmy Buffett, I gotta go where it's warm |
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