You mean the generation that Volunteered to fight the "War on Terror" for 20 years with our crying like a bunch of bitches wanting draft waivers?

Boomers had to be dragged kicking and screaming, served 18 months and spent the rest of their lives crying about "Got damn Vietnam".

Stop Loss wasn't a thing back then.

There was a security guard at my company that I'd take smoke breaks with on occasion. He was making $12 an hour. He was offered a job just like this. It would have doubled or tripled his income from what he was telling me. He decided against taking it because it would be more work than walking around a parking lot and some office buildings. He isn't a millennial.

LOL, what generation got hit the hardest over the past 40 years with all of the above? Yeah, it WASN'T all the Millennial's. Boomers were probably the most laid off groups in history when it comes to closing down factories and offshoring.

The 70's, 80's, and 90's were BRUTAL, millennial's don't have a frikkin clue about middle class destruction nowadays.

Your not wrong, breaking the USA has taken generations of selfish short sighted behavior.by boomers parents, boomers, gen x, mellenials and he’ll more I’m sure I forgot. Sacrifice, is something Iv not heard in 30 years. I remember schools canceling classes and programs due to being broke, we could not afford to run our central heat, burned firewood I cut from our back yard at 12 years old to help out as my mom was a single mom, no movies, no eating out, my first vacation was at 22 in the army, never went on a vacation as a kid. Now everyone’s flush with cash… we’re all deep in debt and buying a house is approaching lottery win money for what used to be a easy purchase for a husband n wife team.

The people in charge were voted in ( well kinda ), huge % of votes come from people expecting gov to give them FREE shit, solve their huge college debt for worthless degree to fix their problems vs busting ass to earn it. Voting for that just breaks shit more.

Gov can NEVER give you anything, only take from someone else, or take from your kids and grandkids future to finance it.. The best way for government to HELP make anything better, is to get the fuck away from it, or be forced out of it. Cut rules, cut regs, cut taxes and it flourishes, while the opposite kills it and steals from it for their own benefit like a leech.

People Need to start thinking and reading between the lines, the same blind trust that got them $100k worthless degrees, has them believing Covid vax is safe, open borders benefit everyone and 100 more things just as stupid and horrifically terrible to your life., Jesus fuck people, stop believing this shit and research shit beyond media and gov stooges spreading their propaganda to prop up and hide how terrible their policy’s are .

Thread has good points.

1. everything sucks financially across the board.
2. Benefits and out of control spending bear huge responsibility for it. As do the voters who empowered them. Selfishness is to blame.
3. Huge selfish entitlement mentalities, Viewing trade jobs, starting at bottom, shitty starter houses as beneath them, are perfect examples.
4. Inability to prioritize NEEDS vs WANTS ( phones, eating out, toys, etc ) fucks your ability to save and afford the big things like houses.
5. Corrupt gov , corrupt politicians and idiot voters all to blame alike.
6. No fix using the system to fix the system.

Millennials bitch about boomers and how much harder they have it…. Well guess what, voting for Bernie sanders and free college will GUARANTEE your own kids and grandkids will have it 100x worse, hating your guts for committing the same offenses that doomed them to REAL poverty, living in refugee camps or the back of a factory they work at like a Chinese peasant slave lives today, sleeping on a cot between shifts with salary barely feeding them. Coming to the town near you in 20-30 years max.

Because that’s where we’re headed, make no mistake if we keep this shit up, fuck, it’s probably already too late even without a civil war or world war, hard times are coming fast, REAL hard times like Chinese peasants live today barely surviving, with no future at all. Systems broken no matter who’s inside it, from any generation and needs fixing.

Capitalism with less gov interference is the answer…socialism or communism is a guaranteed fail, and you would know it if you glanced at a real history book.

Well rounded?  
Curvy?
Full figured?

I mentioned in 2007 I would never get to retire when I started my first job.  People looked at me like I was crazy.  Then the GFC hit.  Luckily, I have the experience and credentials now that I could work part time from anywhere in the world.  Not retiring doesn't mean I won't enjoy life.

I am a millennial.  I am quite successful as are many of my friends who are dentists, doctors, engineers, and accountants.  That doesn't negate that the financial picture isn't the same as it was 25 years ago.

Add in the government bankrolling it and the banks didn't care what degree you got, they knew they could never lose.  Moral hazard on steroids.

yup.

OOF.

Another very good and valid point.

Who gives a fuck who holds what share?  That's the problem you whiners, always comparing yourselves to other people.  My wife and I are both millennials who don't have degrees and have more than we could have ever imagined.  You think I'm going to bitch because I can only afford a Camaro and not a Corvette like my father?

Losers are losers, because they choose to be losers.

The War on Terror is/was bullshit. There was never any way our country could stop terror; even with ROE's put in place by Curtis Lemay. Just look at the War on Drugs. It has been going on longer than the War on Terror and hasn't done jack shit except to raise prices on occasion. There should be a War on the Military Industrial Complex and people in powerful places that use well intentioned honorable military people for their own selfish agendas.

On the other hand I worked with some millennials who'll be retiring from the PD this year.

Uhhh the data literally says it is different. We've had a huge decoupling of median wages to a variety of consumer indices namely housing, education, and healthcare for decades all while the blue collar middle class was offshored in favor of a services based economy.

All the Millennial Bashing is just Boomer/X Cope.

Boomers, by and large had a unique opportunity never to be repeated.  This whole wealth/middle class for all is really only 100 years old in the 10k years of human existence.

The Great Generation suffered, struggled and saved to give Boomers a fantastic childhood and future full of opportunities.

When the Boomers took over, unlike past Generations they fucking stayed long past their welcome.

No longer did they retire at 45-55, now they are hanging on into their 70's, squaring on the higher pay "Sr." positions with the attitude of "I don't care, I'm punching out in 2 years".

Most didn't save, most refinanced their homes a dozen times and most won't be leaving a penny to their kids - unlike their parents.

The Administrative and Elected Gov is caulk full of Boomers clawing to their power and being pushed out only after they die.

Fiscal Policies, Corporations gutting pensions, pay scales, offshoring, out of control medical, hell even the Covid Lock Down - save the Boomers!!  All to bennifit the short term Boomer.

If you want to bitch about any moral, cultural, or ethical lacking in Millennials - blame the parents. Parents who thought schools and universities should raise their kids - same schools and universities that are run by Boomers.

Meanwhile, everyone is crying about Millennials - at least Millennials know which bathroom to use and aren't on Tik-Tok making up new genders every day.

Just wait till the Zoomers take over.

Yeah, the problem is I feel loyalty to the people I work with and all my relatives are here.  If I moved I'd be all alone in some strange part of the country cut off from all my family members.

Sure there was.

It would just require literally no ROE's.

We should have conquered and occupied their lands. Not modern day bullshit, but ancient day conquer and occupy.... but where's the money in that?

The real problem though is that some people saw the whole war on terror as a cash cow and method to grab more power. Guess who that was, and what generation they generally were part of?

I'm so glad I learned that noone ever wanted for something.
It makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.  

you either don't understand or you're intentionally full of shit. a cell phone and internet access are required. period. they are not optional in 2022 being an adult with any job, let alone a real job, holy shit how out of touch can you possibly be

More truth right here.

Why do you always overlook the silent generation? I wonder if it is sometimes on purpose to blame the living boomers.

And you sound like you are bitter because you couldn't take over employment positions that had boomers in them simply because you thought you were ''entitled'' to them. Guess what, you were not and your higher up's thought the same thing.

I’m more worried about the boomers who think this generation is going to take care of them and let them keep the wealth they’ve accumulated.

I read most of the responses on this thread, then I looked how old this forum is which is from the year 2000 but also having an older site it migrated that dated around 1996 at first a mail listing and then looked at the join dates from some posters berating millennials the most being close to how old the site is. I summed up that this site is heavily baby boomer dominated and thus are going to be heavily biased against millennials wearing their rose tinted glasses sipping their concoction of delusion and denial.
While saying everything is fine the millennials are lazy and need to harden up and go work a job making dog shit while only promoting based on diversity letting them be taken advantage of and getting poorer each year due to rising inflation that the baby boomer generation had their hands in making happen with their past monetary and labor policies they supported.

There were a lot of millennials of voting age when the US Nat'l. debt was still at $5.6 trillion.  That was 2001, with the commonly held convention that Millennials were born between 1981-1996.  It didn't pass $10 trillion until 2008, by which time over 1/2 of Millennials were of voting age.

US debt was at $17.8 trillion in 2014, by which time almost all Millennials were of voting age.  So, here we are at over $30 trillion, with Millennials being able to vote during the VAST majority of that debt increase.

Stop blaming everyone else for the national debt.  Your generation is just as culpable as the Boomers and Gen X.

They give a shit because of why

Hurr durr, we outsourced the fuck out of everything and pocketed the proceeds, then skyrocketed the cost of tuition to subsidize everyone going to college so we could feel good about ourselves (and rake in that money in academic posts), then subsidized all the useless ghetto twats (whose demographic explosion we subsidized... so we can feel good about ourselves...) to get mortgages and blow housing bubbles ... so we can feel good about ourselves (and rake in the growth in home equity)...  then imported the fuck out of H1B's and pocketed the proceeds...

But hey look at this lazy millenial who can't afford a house that cost 4x as much as ours did, whose education cost 4x as much as ours did, who works a shit job because they're competing against millions of third worlders we didn't have to deal with.  Yeah, they're broke because they spent the pennies they had to rub together on a coffee and the handheld device that replaces the camera, camcorder, DVD player, VHS player, walkman, the 900 channels of cable TV, and (more and more commonly) the PC they never had.

Yes this is a brilliant fucking take.   Bunch of you twats that die alone in nursing homes are going to have a lot of time to think about the topic.



The chart doesn't go back that far, but I can tell you off the top of my head that at age 30 the boomers were at ~16%.    That generation had the world handed to them on a fucking silver platter and proceeded - as a gross generalization - to wring every last bit out of they they could with zero fucks about the consequences.

There is a reason why family will/estate/inheritance horror stories are predominately focused on a specific generation.  Those who have had to deal with it know what I am talking about.

Fun Fact:

Bernie lost, twice - and both times to the absolute personification of Boomer . Boomer Hilary Clinton and Boomer Joe Biden.

Trump wining had been attributed to online memes, Russia's control of Facebook and Trump's mastery of Twitter. If anything, Millennials had a fucking lot to do with his rise to power and election.

Every "Never Trumping" Republican I've seen is a Boomer wishing he could vote for Dan Quayle or John McCain again.  

Nothing better than watching people argue with someone who is and will most likely always be more financially successful than they could ever dream to be.  I don't know foxtrot personally but from what I understand and have seen most of you should listen.

With that being said yes there are some that can work harder or work at all. The biggest problem is we continue to elect shit into office.  4 yeara under trump were the best years of my life.

I kind of lucked out, I'm a frontline millenial, one of the first.

I got some of the advantages that Gen X got as far as timing goes.

We bought our house after the bubble popped, I feel bad for anyone trying to get into a house today, the market is crazy.

Same for those trying to start a business and raise capital, prices have been going bonkers for a few years now.

As far as actual workers though, loads of millenials are self employed now, a huge portion of my graduating class it seems. Far more than I ever saw out of my dad's generation, all his buddies plugged away at an hourly job their whole career.

While it's true that wages are relatively stagnant, America is no longer the industrial powerhouse that it once was, and the commies are raiding the larder.....


This is also true:  this is the easiest time in history to find a job sitting where you are, RFN.

It's also the easiest time in history to start your own business, sitting right where you are.

All those boomers and gen-xers you're bitching about.... they didn't have that ability. They had to go out and beat the pavement.

Millennials and Gen-Zers have it pretty damn easy, when it comes to the ability to find a job, to find customers, to market yourself, to learn new skills, to connect and network with potential clients or investors or customers or employers.....

Do you have a newsletter?

My parents were silent gen and they worked more than one job even with graduate degrees.  They both had full time jobs and worked side gigs. I’m Gen X and worked up to four jobs till I was in my 30’s.  You do what you have to.  I remember that Boomers got the nickname “workaholics” in the eighties and nineties because of the amount of time they invested in career over quality of life. Millennials seem to have much more leisure time and overblown expectations of a single occupation household and the face value of a “higher education”.

The generational conflict is media generated garbage meant to inspire leftist ideology.  The disparity in economics is mostly driven by dependency.  The takers outnumber the makers significantly now.

You're probably right. But who was giving Millennials that advice back in 2004? Or even after the crash in 2008? Almost nobody. Hell, most of the powers that be are still telling Zoomers that they need to go to college to get ahead... and now they know better!

Is it any wonder that a bunch of 17-18 year-olds chose to go to college and take on however much debt college would require when for their entire life prior to graduating high school they were told that college was a necessity by every single adult and authority figure that they encountered? It was in PSAs at the end of our Saturday morning cartoons, it was fed to us by our elementary school teachers, our middle school guidance counselors, our high schools... You needed to go to college to get ahead in life.

So yeah, in retrospect, a lot of us never should have gone to college. But nobody told us that at the time.

There ya go, calling my slut boy in. Now this thread gone git Gud.

I actually agree 100% with that.

For fucks sake yet again: Individual voters do not raise the US debt limit.

They're right, a massive number of people had no business going to college in the first place.   Telling all the kids they needed to go to college and then blowing a tuition bubble with .gov money was fucking retarded.   This drove up education costs, drove down education quality, and produced millions of midwits with credentials that weren't properly trained for the jobs they should have honestly been doing (many of which were the same jobs illegals flooded in to do)

It's also in no way the fault of the young adults who listened to their parents, teachers, and community leaders and went to college.

Moral of the story: It's a lot easier to blame others for your failures than to accept responsibility for them, learn from them, and do better.

Anyone who actually thinks that failed basic economics.

Isn't that pretty much every generation?

I'm a millennial and I want a new Porsche GT3.  

Feels bad man.

Voting age okay…but who is still the vast majority of the population that votes?  It’s not millennials….it’s wait for it genX and boomers.

I tried explaining to a kid that works for me that you cannot obtain every thing he wants at once. Wealth is a journey to aquire

I've done this and it does suck.
You don't actually have a "safety net" where friends would help you get back on your feet if you fell on hard times, got divorced, etc.  But when you are 1000 miles away, you can't even allow yourself to imagine that you might.

It can be a very lonely feeling.  But I am probably happier with more money and no friends than I would be poor and broke among friends who are well off.

I hope that works out in your favor. You don't take medicine right? when you fall down the stairs I hope you can get back up.

That go to college or you're shit goes well back into the 90's when I graduated high school. Our parents, teachers, principals, counselors ALL 100% SAID GO TO COLLEGE IF YOU WANT TO AMOUNT TO ANYTHING. Anyone that went to tech school was ostracized by even school leadership. It was really disgusting. I was really made to feel like shit by my own school system because I wanted to learn a trade in high school prior to deciding if/when I wanted to go get a college degree.

Ironically when I was taking German in high school we learned about their school systems and how they applied aptitude tests early and often to help figure out who would be able to make a living in a white collar job vs blue collar jobs. This helped not having the big college bubble we did and also ensuring you had a balance of trade skills and STEM. It was really eye opening seeing my own school, parents, elders in general, and leadership shit all over that concept. I've actively railed against that for probably 15+ years now talking with students, teachers, and faculty leadership to do a better job of promoting not only technical trades but technical trades as a first step toward eventually getting a college degree.

You both my kids are millennials. My daughter has a successful career Oregon for a major agricultural company. She rents because she wanted to live in Atlanta with some friends from college.
My son who's 26 it just got promoted to second shift manager at a large can a computer server Farm. He's single, but he bought his own house for him and his dog.
They both went to good schools and have no college debt. They drive cars that are a little bit older. But my son's commute is literally 5 minutes each way so his Chevy Cruze that gets 40 mpg is just. His biggest problem has nothing to do with being a millennial, he's kind of short and he likes pretty girls with IQs over 130 so he's a little picky. And he's not going to meet any of those at work, there are no women working in the computer server farm.
My daughter who was born in 1993 is dating a really nice guy who owns his own business and owns his own house. So once they get married,  which I can foresee being in the next year or so, she'll have the house in the suburbs too.
I don’t hear any "oh woe is me I'm a millennial" coming from over there them.