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Posted: 1/16/2018 2:00:40 PM EDT

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Nope.

We were trying to get it, but it died in committee.

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I thought MN had a castle doctrine?

Also back in the day the some of the Somali population used to terrorise parts of EP and it's citizens. The police used to shake the hands of people who defended themselves. Wonder what happened..

Nope.

We were trying to get it, but it died in committee.

https://www.minnpost.com/community-voices/2012/03/minnesota’s-proposed-castle-doctrine-expansion-worse-florida’s-‘shoot-first

These people feel that the people defending the home are the criminals and the attackers are the victims.

These people are insane.

Posted: 1/16/2018 2:00:50 PM EDT

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So how long before we see pics of him when he was 10yrs old, how he was on the honor roll and a great father to his five kids?

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Not many cameras in Somalia

Posted: 1/16/2018 2:01:43 PM EDT

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Dude is in jail.

let this be a lesson to everyone. DONT TALK TO THE POLICE WITHOUT AN ATTORNEY PRESENT.

"I was in fear for my life. I will give a full statement in presence of my attorney"

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Better yet, don't live in MN cuz the laws make it into a shithole.

Posted: 1/16/2018 2:01:46 PM EDT

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LOL

Posted: 1/16/2018 2:02:12 PM EDT

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Welp, hope Mr Weiss comes out clean on this one...

Posted: 1/16/2018 2:02:24 PM EDT

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Aggressor makes aggressive actions towards the defendant. Defendant pulls a weapon, and apparently displayed it long enough for the aggressor to see it and understand it as a warning. Aggressor does not back down, and continues being aggressive, then gets shot for his troubles.

I don't see any problem with this. If I'm on his jury, he goes home.

Posted: 1/16/2018 2:03:48 PM EDT

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This will be made to be about race and the shooter stands no chance.

FWIW I wasn't there nor is there enough info for me to have an opinion about his guilt or not .... but he's white, the other guy isn't, so he's fucked either way

Posted: 1/16/2018 2:04:24 PM EDT

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I know. Reminds me of the story from NYC (IIRC) where the girl and her boyfriend got mugged and then the girls says, "what are you gonna' do shoot me?"

The answer was yes.

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What kind of idiot would DARE somebody to shoot them?

I know. Reminds me of the story from NYC (IIRC) where the girl and her boyfriend got mugged and then the girls says, "what are you gonna' do shoot me?"

The answer was yes.

There is a video of a parolee who got into a street fight then dared a reporting officer to shoot him when he was ordered to surrender & not approach. After multiple attempts to get dickfaced parolee to stop the officer ended up shooting hi m.

Posted: 1/16/2018 2:04:57 PM EDT

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The only thing being reported on the news here is the "my friend dared him to shoot, so he did" story from the passenger of the shootee.

MN law is pretty reluctant to give shooters the go ahead with our spectacularly overthought "duty to retreat" clause.

Some instructors actually tell students "if someone is breaking into the front door of your house, you need to retreat out a back door or window".

I'm guessing this guy didn't have one of those instructors.

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I'm glad we have stand your ground here.

Posted: 1/16/2018 2:13:30 PM EDT

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I'm guessing that getting in his face didn't put him in reasonable fear of great bodily injury or death

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It might. I'm 51 with a once broken back. Had some paralysis for a while. Rolling around on the ground with a drunk 25 yo trying to pound on me just might put me in a wheel chair for the rest of my life. I figure I'd prolly stroke the trigger a time or two before taking that chance.

Posted: 1/16/2018 2:16:42 PM EDT

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Being MN the Muslim is probably Somali. Privileged minority.

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Shoot is questionable without more info.

If there's no video and the only witnesses are people in the muslim guy's car... white guy is going to get loved tenderly.

Being MN the Muslim is probably Somali. Privileged minority.

And now one of em has the privilege of a bodybag.

Posted: 1/16/2018 2:17:43 PM EDT

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He dared him though

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...but it wasn't a double dog dare.

Posted: 1/16/2018 2:20:53 PM EDT

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There is an ultra thin line where you shoot/don’t shoot. I wouldn’t shoot on a fucking dare. I’d go hands on first.
If the tables were turned, the keyboard warriors would be screaming for a conviction.

Posted: 1/16/2018 2:21:49 PM EDT

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Nope.

We were trying to get it, but it died in committee.

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Existing state statute states that persons do not have a duty to retreat before using deadly force to protect themselves or prevent a felony from being committed inside their residence.Feb 2, 2017

Posted: 1/16/2018 2:26:07 PM EDT

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Double dog dare ya!

Posted: 1/16/2018 2:27:21 PM EDT

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There is an ultra thin line where you shoot/don’t shoot. I wouldn’t shoot on a fucking dare. I’d go hands on first.

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You would go hands on with a guy that comes at you knowing that you have a gun?

Walker Texas Ranger much?

Posted: 1/16/2018 2:31:34 PM EDT

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Shooter is fucked. The libtards will make sure of that

You can only get away with shooting other white people these days (actually only straight white males).

Posted: 1/16/2018 2:34:15 PM EDT

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oh well

Posted: 1/16/2018 2:34:56 PM EDT

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I'll have a Coke

Posted: 1/16/2018 2:37:10 PM EDT

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You would go hands on with a guy that comes at you knowing that you have a gun?

Walker Texas Ranger much?

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You guys talk like taking a life is easy to do with no repercussions. Look at this Wiess guy, in jail and looking at a conviction. No one knows I have a gun until they dictate the situation and warrants me brandishing. I don’t draw on a guy for walking up on me. But yes, i’d go hands on first. I like not being in jail and not being sued for wrongful death.

Posted: 1/16/2018 2:38:11 PM EDT

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Shooter is fucked. The libtards will make sure of that

You can only get away with shooting other white people these days (actually only straight white males).

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Depends on where your at

Posted: 1/16/2018 2:41:01 PM EDT

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Rahim

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Weiss

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Posted: 1/16/2018 2:41:46 PM EDT

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Aggressor makes aggressive actions towards the defendant. Defendant pulls a weapon, and apparently displayed it long enough for the aggressor to see it and understand it as a warning. Aggressor does not back down, and continues being aggressive, then gets shot for his troubles.

I don't see any problem with this. If I'm on his jury, he goes home.

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Let's hope that's how it goes in real life

Posted: 1/16/2018 2:42:27 PM EDT

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What kind of idiot would DARE somebody to shoot them?

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Mooseloom

Posted: 1/16/2018 2:48:40 PM EDT

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But dem virgins yo.

Posted: 1/16/2018 2:49:11 PM EDT

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Nope, sorry. You don't get to shoot someone for yelling at you and calling you a limp-dick (saying you don't have the balls to shoot).

Unless he was actually assaulted somewhere, he can contemplate the error of his ways in prison.

Posted: 1/16/2018 2:49:34 PM EDT

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Yeah he's going to need a good lawyer. Both look young and fit. Had he been old and weak, then yeah it might be more reasonable to a jury to shoot. But yeah he shouldn't have pulled a gun and he shouldn't have shot based on verbal threats alone. Of course the dead guy sounds like a total asshole for getting into a strangers face. Messed with the wrong guy that day and ended up dead. But the shooter is probably going to see a bit of jail time most likely. Unless he gets a really good lawyer of course.

Posted: 1/16/2018 2:52:08 PM EDT

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Just because someone dares you to jump off a cliff...

Posted: 1/16/2018 2:53:21 PM EDT

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Man, I would love to have seen Rahim's face!

Posted: 1/16/2018 2:57:01 PM EDT

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Good shoot

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Posted: 1/16/2018 2:59:10 PM EDT

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well I mean he dared him..

Posted: 1/16/2018 3:06:52 PM EDT

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What a cluster fuck. The shooters only chance of not staying in jail is if he can prove he was at a disadvantage (3 vs 1) AND that the situation escalated physically (actual violence, not posturing). Only then would someone of rational mind (not GD) assume he was at risk of great bodily harm because 1) the fight became physical with possible deadly consequences 2) it would've been reasonable to assume the deceased party's friends would have assisted in the fight, making it exponentially more dangerous for the shooter while limiting his ability to leave (cornered/trapped).

If the situation transpired as reported, where the deceased was only posturing and the shooter thought, "fuck it, I aints backin down from no ones", then bad shoot. Ego checks don't give you a pass on body bags.

Posted: 1/16/2018 3:09:56 PM EDT

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What a cluster fuck. The shooters only chance of not staying in jail is if he can prove he was at a disadvantage (3 vs 1) AND that the situation escalated physically (actual violence, not posturing). Only then would someone of rational mind (not GD) assume he was at risk of great bodily harm because 1) the fight became physical with possible deadly consequences 2) it would've been reasonable to assume the deceased party's friends would have assisted in the fight, making it exponentially more dangerous for the shooter while limiting his ability to leave (cornered/trapped).

If the situation transpired as reported, where the deceased was only posturing and the shooter thought, "fuck it, I aints backin down from no ones", then bad shoot. Ego checks don't give you a pass on body bags.

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Question.

If you point a gun at a guy in a confrontation and he doesn’t back down or run away couldn’t you argue that he was showing intent to attack? It’s not normal to stand face to face with a guy while he points a gun at you.

Posted: 1/16/2018 3:14:05 PM EDT

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Allah must have willed it.

Posted: 1/16/2018 3:16:32 PM EDT

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Good shoot

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Posted: 1/16/2018 3:21:16 PM EDT

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...but it wasn't a double dog dare.

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He dared him though

...but it wasn't a double dog dare.

"Simon says" wasn't said...

Posted: 1/16/2018 3:22:01 PM EDT

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Existing state statute states that persons do not have a duty to retreat before using deadly force to protect themselves or prevent a felony from being committed inside their residence.Feb 2, 2017

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Exactly.

That is a separate statute you're copying part of out of Google's results though, not the carry laws. The carry laws say we have a duty to retreat and are (idiotically) taught the way I mentioned above by overzealous armchair lawyers disguised as NRA instructors.

If someone is already in your home (not "on your property" like castle doctrine), and you have reason to believe they're trying to kill you, you can go ahead and shoot them, but only in order to stop the threat. Any extra holes in Tito the Heroine Dealer's side or back could indicate the threat was over, and you get to go to prison.

Posted: 1/16/2018 3:22:10 PM EDT

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Enjoy prison.

Posted: 1/16/2018 3:23:33 PM EDT

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Meh

Allan’s will or something

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Posted: 1/16/2018 3:25:29 PM EDT

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Good shoot

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InShaAllah

Posted: 1/16/2018 3:28:55 PM EDT

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USCCA is what I have.

Hope that I never need it.

Posted: 1/16/2018 3:29:34 PM EDT

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Good Shoot!

Posted: 1/16/2018 3:32:12 PM EDT

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You guys talk like taking a life is easy to do with no repercussions. Look at this Wiess guy, in jail and looking at a conviction. No one knows I have a gun until they dictate the situation and warrants me brandishing. I don’t draw on a guy for walking up on me. But yes, i’d go hands on first. I like not being in jail and not being sued for wrongful death.

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No you wouldn't.

Posted: 1/16/2018 3:32:32 PM EDT

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After seeing the pictures.

Good shoot.

Dont mess with the Weiss guy.

Posted: 1/16/2018 3:32:32 PM EDT

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Shoot a man on a dare and go to prison. That's not unreasonable.

Posted: 1/16/2018 3:33:35 PM EDT

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You guys talk like taking a life is easy to do with no repercussions. Look at this Wiess guy, in jail and looking at a conviction. No one knows I have a gun until they dictate the situation and warrants me brandishing. I don’t draw on a guy for walking up on me. But yes, i’d go hands on first. I like not being in jail and not being sued for wrongful death.

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You would go hands on with a guy that comes at you knowing that you have a gun?

Walker Texas Ranger much?

You guys talk like taking a life is easy to do with no repercussions. Look at this Wiess guy, in jail and looking at a conviction. No one knows I have a gun until they dictate the situation and warrants me brandishing. I don’t draw on a guy for walking up on me. But yes, i’d go hands on first. I like not being in jail and not being sued for wrongful death.

Apples and orange comparison. The shooter had already drawn his weapon and the goblin kept coming.

In that situation, you would still go hands on?