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Posted: 12/24/2023 8:58:47 AM EDT
At roughly 40 million a piece that's a great deal. The Russian side is absolutely furious. This is the worst single day loss for Russian aviation since May when 5 EW Helos and attack planes were lost in a patriot ambush over Russia. SU34s are such elegant and graceful birds. Sad they had to meet their end this way.
So far in atleast 48 hours there hasn't been any bombing on the Krynky beachhead.    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/12/22/minus-three-russian-bombers-ukraine-set-another-deadly-missile-ambush-and-shot-down-a-trio-of-high-tech-su-34s/?sh=2dd518292cda ‘Minus Three Russian Bombers.’ Ukraine Set Another Deadly Missile-Ambush—And Shot Down A Trio Of High-Tech Su-34s. The air over southern Ukraine is becoming more dangerous for the Russians. The Ukrainian air force shot down three Russian air force Sukhoi Su-34 fighter-bombers in a missile-ambush in southern Ukraine on Friday. It was one of the worst single-day losses for the Russian air arm in the 22-month wider war on Ukraine. “Minus three Russian bombers,” Ukrainian air force commander Lt. Gen. Mikola Oleshchuk quipped on Facebook. The ambush could mark a turning point in the air battle over southern Ukraine. In early October, Ukrainian marines motored across the wide Dnipro River and seized, in the settlement of Krynky, a bridgehead on the otherwise Russian-controlled left bank in Kherson Oblast. The Ukrainians at least briefly had local air-superiority over Krynky thanks to their effective electronic warfare, which grounded Russia’s drones in the area. But regionally, the Russians still had control of the air. And soon Russian air force Su-34s were flying daily sorties to lob satellite-guided glide-bombs at the Krynky bridgehead from 25 miles away. The glide-bombs, some weighing more than a ton, kill without warning. The glide-bombs “are the least scary because you understand that they will hit, and you won’t feel anything,” a trooper named Oleksandr told The Kyiv Independent. The Ukrainian air force worked “for a long time” to lay a trap for the Sukhoi glide-bombers, National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine Secretary Oleksiy Danilov told Ukrainian radio. On Nov. 25, Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky dropped in at the International Summit on Food Security in Kyiv and announced that Ukraine was preparing to deploy “very powerful air-defenses” to Odesa Oblast, which is adjacent to Kherson Oblast. Two weeks later, an unidentified missile—possibly from an S-300PS battery—shot down a Russian Sukhoi Su-24 bomber over the western Black Sea, reportedly while the twin-engine, two-person supersonic bomber was staging for an attack on Odesa or one of Ukraine’s river ports on the Danube Delta. Around the same time, there were rumors that Ukrainian air-defenses in Kherson had shot down an Su-34 as the Russian plane was glide-bombing Krynky. But the greater blow came a month later on Friday. In quick succession, Ukrainian missiles swatted three Su-34s, killing some of the six aviators on board. A Russian Mil Mi-8 helicopter rotored in to pick up survivors ... or bodies. “A dark day,” one Russian military-blogger wrote. The twin-engine, supersonic fighter-bombers are some of the newest in the Russian inventory. They’re also increasingly endangered as the war in Ukraine grinds toward its third year. In 22 months of hard fighting, Russia has lost at least 25 of its 150 or so Su-34s. It’s not clear what missiles the Ukrainians fired at the Sukhoi flight near Krynky. It’s worth noting that the Ukrainian air force got a new U.S.-made Patriot missile battery—its third—from German stocks just last week. On May 13, a Ukrainian Patriot battery in northern Ukraine shot down, over Russia’s Bryansk Oblast, five Russian fighters and helicopters in the span of a few minutes. Eleven aviators died. The Friday missile-ambush—quite possibly also the work of a Patriot battery—was only slightly less costly for the Russians. The best outcome for the Ukrainian war effort would be for the Russian air force to dial down its glide-bombing campaign targeting Krynky. Even a switch-up in Russian tactics could benefit the Ukrainian marines in their bridgehead. Glide-bombs work best when released from high altitude. But that same high flying exposes warplanes to Ukraine’s long-range surface-to-air missiles: Patriots and S-300s. If the Russians fly lower in order to avoid detection, their glide-bombs will lose range. Pilots might have to get closer to Krynky before nosing up and releasing their bombs. A closer approach could expose the Russians to shorter-range Ukrainian air-defenses. The Russians must move fast if they want to adapt. Ukrainian defenses over Krynky soon could get even stiffer as the first 18 ex-Dutch F-16 fighters arrive in Ukraine in the coming days. 
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Posted: 12/24/2023 9:04:01 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/24/2023 9:06:37 AM EDT
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That’s a good start
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Posted: 12/24/2023 9:08:12 AM EDT
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No video
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Posted: 12/24/2023 9:11:41 AM EDT
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New like this makes me smile.
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Posted: 12/24/2023 9:11:48 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/24/2023 9:12:28 AM EDT
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Kicked 'em square in the nyets.
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Posted: 12/24/2023 9:14:27 AM EDT
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Nice.
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Posted: 12/24/2023 9:14:40 AM EDT
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And it was done with old stock missiles from the back forty. Totally a great deal...
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Posted: 12/24/2023 9:15:46 AM EDT
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Hopefully it gives some Ukrainians a break over the holidays.
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Posted: 12/24/2023 9:22:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And it was done with old stock missiles from the back forty. Totally a great deal... Yep. Good news. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 9:34:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully it gives some Ukrainians a break over the holidays. Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully it gives some Ukrainians a break over the holidays. Makes the guys at krynky happy Quoted: And it was done with old stock missiles from the back forty. Totally a great deal... Whether it is or not it shows the patriot can deal with current Russian threats and reliably take them down. A bargain. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 9:35:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No video Ghost of Kiev got them. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 9:39:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Makes the guys at krynky happy Whether it is or not it shows the patriot can deal with current Russian threats and reliably take them down. A bargain. There's the S300, Hawk and maybe others. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 10:37:15 AM EDT
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I'd like to see some bears taken out over Russia. That would probably scare the shit out of them.
Hopefully hasten a coup |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 10:37:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kicked 'em square in the nyets. New ruski company. Nyet Jets |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 11:04:23 AM EDT
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Modern military jets, even Russian ones aren't cheap. They have been getting torn up.
Still, this is Russia. They seem to still subscribe to the idea that taking comparatively massive losses is just the price of war and that price is always worth it to whatever psychopath is in charge of the country. Something I heard the other day that's sticking with me. "What's the difference between someone like Putin and Ted Bundy? Literal armies of yes men." |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 11:08:09 AM EDT
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It's about as likely that the Russians shot them down.
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Posted: 12/24/2023 11:27:40 AM EDT
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I want an SU-34. Not only could I go supersonic, I could get a blowjob while doing it.
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Posted: 12/24/2023 11:56:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want an SU-34. Not only could I go supersonic, I could get a blowjob while doing it. Copilot:  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 12:00:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/24/2023 12:06:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do we know it was a Patriot and not one of the other systems in use? There's the S300, Hawk and maybe others. S300 is possible, sure. But the German donated Mobile Patriot is way more likely. Hawk? Hell no |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 2:15:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: S300 is possible, sure. But the German donated Mobile Patriot is way more likely. Hawk? Hell no The three systems are available. With 3 bombers shot down, tactics may have involved multiple different SAM systems. More than three shots are likely. Hawks have shot down Mig 21's, 23's, Libyan Su bombers, and Iranian F-14's in friendly fire incidents. Not sure why you say a Hawk would have no chance against those bombers. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 2:41:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI bet she could suck a golf ball through a garden hose! |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 2:46:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ghost of Kiev got them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No video Ghost of Kiev got them. Except the Russians actually are talking about them being killed. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 2:56:04 PM EDT
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Remember this was an ambush.
They knew where the planes would be and probably turned on the radar, locked, and fired within a couple seconds, while the planes were in their most vulnerable envelope of flight. What system it was matters a lot less than the tactics here. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 3:05:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Modern military jets, even Russian ones aren't cheap. They have been getting torn up. Still, this is Russia. They seem to still subscribe to the idea that taking comparatively massive losses is just the price of war and that price is always worth it to whatever psychopath is in charge of the country. Something I heard the other day that's sticking with me. "What's the difference between someone like Putin and Ted Bundy? Literal armies of yes men." "What's the difference between someone like Putin and Ted Bundy? Literal armies of yes men." Excellent |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 3:11:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And it was done with old stock missiles from the back forty. Totally a great deal... To be fair it went against a 30+ year old jet too. 
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Posted: 12/24/2023 3:32:35 PM EDT
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Did this really need its own thread a few days after it happened and discussed (even by you) in all the Ukraine threads???
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Posted: 12/24/2023 3:32:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Remember this was an ambush. They knew where the planes would be and probably turned on the radar, locked, and fired within a couple seconds, while the planes were in their most vulnerable envelope of flight. What system it was matters a lot less than the tactics here. That is exactly how a Yugoslav Army unit shot down an F-117 in March 1999. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 3:43:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want an SU-34. Not only could I go supersonic, I could get a blowjob while doing it. She better not hook her necklace on the ejection seat handles… 
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Posted: 12/24/2023 4:26:06 PM EDT
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Be interesting to add up the financial cost of this for Russia.
Not quite the bargain they were hoping for. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 4:30:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did this really need its own thread a few days after it happened and discussed (even by you) in all the Ukraine threads??? Sorry for your loss |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 4:32:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd like to see some bears taken out over Russia. That would probably scare the shit out of them. Hopefully hasten a coup They don't have anything that can reach that far and those planes are far behind the lines launching cruise missiles. Best bet is to hit them on the runways which has happened. Allegedly they are developing new and much longer ranged drones which will make that happen. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 4:32:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want an SU-34. Not only could I go supersonic, I could get a blowjob while doing it. I want an MTLB, BTR, or BMP. I can fit those in my garage. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 4:37:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want an MTLB, BTR, or BMP. I can fit those in my garage. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I want an SU-34. Not only could I go supersonic, I could get a blowjob while doing it. I want an MTLB, BTR, or BMP. I can fit those in my garage. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 4:41:21 PM EDT
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Ex-Netherlands F-16s are inbound in a week or two... it's about to get a lot worse for Russian pilots and SAM battery operators.
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Posted: 12/24/2023 4:43:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ex-Netherlands F-16s are inbound in a week or two... it's about to get a lot worse for Russian pilots and SAM battery operators.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 4:43:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Be interesting to add up the financial cost of this for Russia. Not quite the bargain they were hoping for. Now try America's... |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 4:46:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "What's the difference between someone like Putin and Ted Bundy? Literal armies of yes men." Excellent Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Modern military jets, even Russian ones aren't cheap. They have been getting torn up. Still, this is Russia. They seem to still subscribe to the idea that taking comparatively massive losses is just the price of war and that price is always worth it to whatever psychopath is in charge of the country. Something I heard the other day that's sticking with me. "What's the difference between someone like Putin and Ted Bundy? Literal armies of yes men." "What's the difference between someone like Putin and Ted Bundy? Literal armies of yes men." Excellent Ted Bundy doesn't come close to the loyalty and perseverance of Putin's dedicated army of posters here, however. Maybe if he had better propagandists? After all, I'd bet most of the Democrats in the current administration would consider him a villain. Isn't that all the reason I'm supposed to need to think he is probably getting a bad rap from a biased press and corrupt law enforcement agencies? |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 4:47:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ghost of Kiev got them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No video Ghost of Kiev got them. 
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Posted: 12/24/2023 4:48:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now try America's... Prettymuch nothing. We’re clearing out old stockpiles while making new stuff so our defense industry is getting stronger and production lines are getting updated. Lots of hardworking Americans in the weapons industry are getting Christmas bonuses this year |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 4:53:52 PM EDT
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After reading some of these replies I am getting a better understanding of russian copium.
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Posted: 12/24/2023 5:01:23 PM EDT
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 AC/DC - Shot Down In Flames (Official Video) |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 5:03:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did this really need its own thread a few days after it happened and discussed (even by you) in all the Ukraine threads??? This happens frequently when things start really going bad for the Ukrainians. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 5:06:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did this really need its own thread a few days after it happened and discussed (even by you) in all the Ukraine threads??? Apparently yes, since your here posting in it. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 5:21:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This happens frequently when things start really going bad for the Ukrainians. No one should take anything you say as fact after your posts in the Niagara-Falls car crash thread. In fact you could tell me the sky is blue and I would have to verify for myself that it is indeed blue... |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 5:28:30 PM EDT
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Meanwhile, Ukraine now has 3 fewer anti aircraft missiles, possibly some of their most valuable missiles.
I think we can all agree to chalk this one up as a net win for Russia. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 5:31:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No one should take anything you say as fact after your posts in the Niagara-Falls car crash thread. In fact you could tell me the sky is blue and I would have to verify for myself that it is indeed blue... Sarcastic comment? I'm not sure what your on about. It's hilarious coming from you considering that have been dead wrong about the Russia/Ukraine war since the beginning. If you said water was wet, I would indeed have to check if water is wet. Funny how these puffer threads always get posted when things are going really bad for Ukraine. We must maintain the narrative! |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 5:32:52 PM EDT
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There you go flipping the narrative
The shootdown really happened and is current. When rooshia stronk gets the beatdown the propagandists show up with old or fake ass info, to show how stronk F russia is! Sooo? Is that all you got today? |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 5:36:09 PM EDT
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Russia will definitely surrender any day now because of this incident.
Any. Day. Now. |
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