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Posted: 1/20/2021 1:49:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Give the locals a fair shake and they'll reciprocate. Act like a dick and don't be surprised when your cabin burns down when you're back home. But people also need to understand that local tradition might trump property lines and laws. People that have been hunting the same patch of 250 acres their whole lives might simply ignore the "No Hunting" signs some new absentee landowner puts up. It's just the way it goes in rural areas and urbanites who buy a wilderness playground need to understand that. No, they don’t. Socialist FSA fucks who think they are entitled to what is not theirs are the absolute lowest dregs of society. Fuck every one of them. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 1:52:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sometimes things, even arson, don't need to be reported  S.S.S.... Then drive their vehicle to somewhere a few miles away. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 1:52:33 PM EST
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In this thread, we see who actually values private property rights, and who loves communism wrapped in the labels of tradition and small-town charm.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 1:53:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But too many absentee landowners think of it as buying in suburbia. If there's a problem, I'll just call 911 and the cops will show up. Well, no the won't when there are two deputies for a county that is the size of Rhode Island when it's hammered flat and they have traffic accidents, meth, domestic calls, and the like to serve. Poachers aren't a priority for them or the locals unless the poachers are spotlighting or something. No one is going to care if Bubba is taking a deer or two a year to feed his family, especially when he's been hunting that same spot his whole life because it was some mine or forestry company's land before you bought it for your private playground. I agree but where I grew up we had commercial poaching operations going on... When you buy 40 acres in an area you didn't even grow up in...it's gonna be luck of the draw what kinda of neighbors you are gonna get...I wouldn't unless I intended on living there had friends in the area. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 1:53:33 PM EST
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tresspassing laws should be 100x more severe IMHO, ESPECIALLY for repeat offenders. its a travesty how weak tresspassing laws and punishment are in almost every state. at least in florida its a felony to tresspass with a firearm, and shooting onto someone elses land is a felony as well... which is a good start.
the home and a persons property is the core of their life and world and it should be protected as such. imho.. tresspassing and burglary laws should be so seviere, and the penalties so seviere people are scared as shit / terrified to tresspass / break into another persons home, so scared / terrified of the consequences it should be a extremely rare occurrence. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 1:54:20 PM EST
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I put a 40' conex (I got for free) on my little bit of hunting property. That's about all I would venture to put on land I visit maybe 15 times a year.
I have never seen any signs of it being tampered with - locals seem very decent. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 1:54:32 PM EST
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Probably 15 years or so ago I drove down to the river to a place where I had fished my whole life....
I discovered no trespassing signs that had never been there before.... I pulled into the driveway of the nearest house and knocked on the door... An older guy from up north had bought the property.... I introduced myself, let him know what I did for a living etc and asked permission to fish. The gentleman gave me permission to fish and I thanked him and left... About 3 months later, I drove to the location, got out and waded into the river..... The old man came out screaming like his house was on fire.... Like a battered child.... He stood there on the river bank and cussed me like a dog... I waded up to him and reminded him of our conversation... He looked like a sheep killing dog... I told he didn't have to worry about me ever being back.... Now.... If I had been some shithead with nothing to lose, I absolutely can see how that guy could have had a host of trouble... I'm not saying that's what happened to the dude with the cabin, but as elaborated to earlier in the thread, rural areas are different than the city.... |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 1:55:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Give the locals a fair shake and they'll reciprocate. Act like a dick and don't be surprised when your cabin burns down when you're back home. But people also need to understand that local tradition might trump property lines and laws. People that have been hunting the same patch of 250 acres their whole lives might simply ignore the "No Hunting" signs some new absentee landowner puts up. It's just the way it goes in rural areas and urbanites who buy a wilderness playground need to understand that. You certainly feel entitled. Bet you people don’t let anybody on your own land. Condoning arson and trespassing is indefensible. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 1:56:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In this thread, we see who actually values private property rights, and who loves communism wrapped in the labels of tradition and small-town charm. No, we see who loves property rights and those who understand that laws aren't always as clear cut when the locals begin to ignore them because it's just how things are done in their communities. And we see those who think they have the right to move into an area to build their dream getaway and tell the locals how to do things and then are shocked, shocked when the locals tell them to fuck right off in the form of a burned playground retreat. I'm not advocating it, I'm just saying it isn't as cut and dry out in the sticks as suburbanites would like it to be and if they can't understand that they might want to reconsider their plans. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 1:57:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And they'd be right in many cases...like the way the Chicago suburbs invaded northern Wisconsin... I grew up with kids who would have done this but the citidiots have been known to rob local hunters of their deer at gun point too...happened to my boss and my brother years ago... Bullshit |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 1:58:02 PM EST
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Oh boy, the keyboards on on fire with this thread.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 1:59:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Give the locals a fair shake and they'll reciprocate. Act like a dick and don't be surprised when your cabin burns down when you're back home. But people also need to understand that local tradition might trump property lines and laws. People that have been hunting the same patch of 250 acres their whole lives might simply ignore the "No Hunting" signs some new absentee landowner puts up. It's just the way it goes in rural areas and urbanites who buy a wilderness playground need to understand that. I would expect the locals also to know and respect the laws on tresspassing but that's too much to ask I suppose?  Or are they democrats? |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 1:59:18 PM EST
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That sucks, but I also complain about leftist moving into red areas fucking it up. If you buy up property you need to become established with locals.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:01:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That sucks, but I also complain about leftist moving into red areas fucking it up. If you buy up property you need to become established with locals. Kind of like 20'ers eh? |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:01:19 PM EST
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There was a thread a while back about local hillbillies running dogs all over other peoples land to drive deer.
Similar comments in that thread about “that’s how we hunt here” and “dogs don’t know what a property line is” Thought it was kind of messed up to willfully run your dogs on other peoples land to chase deer. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:04:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So a truck with a light bar at night on someone elses property is a poacher? And he needs to confront and report them? I want to feel sorry for the guy but this sure seems like a MYOB lesson. He stuck his nose in someone elses business, got his peepee slapped, and now wants people to feel sorry for him. So it wasn't his property? Thinking the gun fire bothered him more than anything... |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:04:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, we see who loves property rights and those who understand that laws aren't always as clear cut when the locals begin to ignore them because it's just how things are done in their communities. And we see those who think they have the right to move into an area to build their dream getaway and tell the locals how to do things and then are shocked, shocked when the locals tell them to fuck right off in the form of a burned playground retreat. I'm not advocating it, I'm just saying it isn't as cut and dry out in the sticks as suburbanites would like it to be and if they can't understand that they might want to reconsider their plans. You know, when a rich man and a hillbilly burn down each other’s country home, only one of them is left homeless. Just saying. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:05:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But too many absentee landowners think of it as buying in suburbia. If there's a problem, I'll just call 911 and the cops will show up. Well, no the won't when there are two deputies for a county that is the size of Rhode Island when it's hammered flat and they have traffic accidents, meth, domestic calls, and the like to serve. Poachers aren't a priority for them or the locals unless the poachers are spotlighting or something. No one is going to care if Bubba is taking a deer or two a year to feed his family, especially when he's been hunting that same spot his whole life because it was some mine or forestry company's land before you bought it for your private playground. Wonder if Bubba's family will report him missing if he's caught out tresspassing and poaching and doesn't make it to one of those hard to find deputies before it's too late? |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:05:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, we see who loves property rights and those who understand that laws aren't always as clear cut when the locals begin to ignore them because it's just how things are done in their communities. And we see those who think they have the right to move into an area to build their dream getaway and tell the locals how to do things and then are shocked, shocked when the locals tell them to fuck right off in the form of a burned playground retreat. I'm not advocating it, I'm just saying it isn't as cut and dry out in the sticks as suburbanites would like it to be and if they can't understand that they might want to reconsider their plans. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In this thread, we see who actually values private property rights, and who loves communism wrapped in the labels of tradition and small-town charm. No, we see who loves property rights and those who understand that laws aren't always as clear cut when the locals begin to ignore them because it's just how things are done in their communities. And we see those who think they have the right to move into an area to build their dream getaway and tell the locals how to do things and then are shocked, shocked when the locals tell them to fuck right off in the form of a burned playground retreat. I'm not advocating it, I'm just saying it isn't as cut and dry out in the sticks as suburbanites would like it to be and if they can't understand that they might want to reconsider their plans. Yes, you are. Fuck trespassers... |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:07:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It sucks about his property, and fuck poachers, but at the same time I can see where the locals wouldn't give a shit. He was an outsider, he just showed up where they lived just to have fun in his cabin, and didn't live there and get to know the locals. The backwoods isn't a city where people come and go on a regular basis. You have to establish yourself to the locals and showing up two weeks a year isn't the way to do it. But yeah, fuck poachers. So what if the guy and some friends show up in the middle of the woods in a cabin to hang out, hunt and be free? No one can even see or hear them so most would not even know they are around. The people poaching, mething and being the shitbag criminals they are did this out of spite and hate. My parents live in southwest Missouri in a medium sized city. They have been there 20 years and while people are very friendly and mostly laid back, they have never been accepted by the locals. There used to be a very serious meth problem in their area and numerous murders have happened in that area. They are also in the heart of what was once one of the largest stolen car retagging and used car scamming areas of the country. So clannishness is a big thing in parts of Missouri. Although I will admit, it's an otherwise great area and we may end up moving there someday. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:09:39 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It sucks about his property, and fuck poachers, but at the same time I can see where the locals wouldn't give a shit. He was an outsider, he just showed up where they lived just to have fun in his cabin, and didn't live there and get to know the locals. The backwoods isn't a city where people come and go on a regular basis. You have to establish yourself to the locals and showing up two weeks a year isn't the way to do it. But yeah, fuck poachers. And this is why WV is butt of so many jokes. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:11:43 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, we see who loves property rights and those who understand that laws aren't always as clear cut when the locals begin to ignore them because it's just how things are done in their communities. And we see those who think they have the right to move into an area to build their dream getaway and tell the locals how to do things and then are shocked, shocked when the locals tell them to fuck right off in the form of a burned playground retreat. I'm not advocating it, I'm just saying it isn't as cut and dry out in the sticks as suburbanites would like it to be and if they can't understand that they might want to reconsider their plans. The story says he was minding his own business and a truck came through his land at night and started shooting. He got the plate and reported it. Doesn't say he came in and tried to tell the locals what's what. Probably wanted to stay low profile and not cause a fuss. Local traditions and "wink and handshake" agreements are what cause trouble down the road when someone dies and the family has to sell to someone outside the area. WV is a great state, but this is just wrong. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:11:46 PM EST
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Do we like or dislike snitches today? They are the governments deer after all.
I can see spot lighters out the front window almost every night during deer season. Most of the time I'll ignore them. Occasionally don NODS and fuck with them. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:12:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah fuck both of you. Not this. You don’t have to establish shit to any fucking locals, or anyone. If a man buys land, he owns it and doesn’t need the permission of anyone to enjoy it and do with it what he pleases. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It sucks about his property, and fuck poachers, but at the same time I can see where the locals wouldn't give a shit. He was an outsider, he just showed up where they lived just to have fun in his cabin, and didn't live there and get to know the locals. The backwoods isn't a city where people come and go on a regular basis. You have to establish yourself to the locals and showing up two weeks a year isn't the way to do it. But yeah, fuck poachers. This. Yeah fuck both of you. Not this. You don’t have to establish shit to any fucking locals, or anyone. If a man buys land, he owns it and doesn’t need the permission of anyone to enjoy it and do with it what he pleases. You’re absolutely right but it ultimately doesn’t matter if you’re right or wrong because losers like the poachers/trespassers/arsonists in OP never get more than a slap on the wrist. They (and their giant extended family) live off welfare and have all day and all night to get high/drunk and trespass/destroy. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:13:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably 15 years or so ago I drove down to the river to a place where I had fished my whole life.... I discovered no trespassing signs that had never been there before.... I pulled into the driveway of the nearest house and knocked on the door... An older guy from up north had bought the property.... I introduced myself, let him know what I did for a living etc and asked permission to fish. The gentleman gave me permission to fish and I thanked him and left... About 3 months later, I drove to the location, got out and waded into the river..... The old man came out screaming like his house was on fire.... Like a battered child.... He stood there on the river bank and cussed me like a dog... I waded up to him and reminded him of our conversation... He looked like a sheep killing dog... I told he didn't have to worry about me ever being back.... Now.... If I had been some shithead with nothing to lose, I absolutely can see how that guy could have had a host of trouble... I'm not saying that's what happened to the dude with the cabin, but as elaborated to earlier in the thread, rural areas are different than the city.... I've been that guy and had to eat crow a couple of times. Who are you calling old? 
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:14:14 PM EST
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why I left our duck lease.
locals hunted it M-F. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:17:30 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It sucks about his property, and fuck poachers, but at the same time I can see where the locals wouldn't give a shit. He was an outsider, he just showed up where they lived just to have fun in his cabin, and didn't live there and get to know the locals. The backwoods isn't a city where people come and go on a regular basis. You have to establish yourself to the locals and showing up two weeks a year isn't the way to do it. But yeah, fuck poachers. The locals are all trash then. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:17:37 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, they don’t. Socialist FSA fucks who think they are entitled to what is not theirs are the absolute lowest dregs of society. Fuck every one of them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Give the locals a fair shake and they'll reciprocate. Act like a dick and don't be surprised when your cabin burns down when you're back home. But people also need to understand that local tradition might trump property lines and laws. People that have been hunting the same patch of 250 acres their whole lives might simply ignore the "No Hunting" signs some new absentee landowner puts up. It's just the way it goes in rural areas and urbanites who buy a wilderness playground need to understand that. No, they don’t. Socialist FSA fucks who think they are entitled to what is not theirs are the absolute lowest dregs of society. Fuck every one of them. In the wise words of a fortune teller, it will be commisar Cleetus and commisar Jamal who come together to your lovely house in the suburbs to inist you make room for those less fortunate. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:18:29 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It sucks about his property, and fuck poachers, but at the same time I can see where the locals wouldn't give a shit. He was an outsider, he just showed up where they lived just to have fun in his cabin, and didn't live there and get to know the locals. The backwoods isn't a city where people come and go on a regular basis. You have to establish yourself to the locals and showing up two weeks a year isn't the way to do it. But yeah, fuck poachers. Just wait till the city folk buy up all the surrounding property and the locals can't afford to live there. I've seen it happen all over East TN, N. GA, and West Carolina. The locals who have business prefer the outsiders coming to town with money vs the locals who live on gov't dole. Usually ends up making the area nicer, after the copper stealing Appalachian meth heads settle down. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:20:55 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Give the locals a fair shake and they'll reciprocate. Act like a dick and don't be surprised when your cabin burns down when you're back home. Holy fuck what the hell is wrong with you 
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:21:28 PM EST
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Quoted: “The locals are clannish, they live by their own rules, there’s no cell phone service, and you’re 30 minutes from the nearest law-enforcement. The locals hate how the state park attracts people from the outside. They make it a point of pride to intimidate outsiders and protect their backwoods way of life. One person lit the match, but I blame their entire culture. People down there are celebrating what was done to me.” Fuck trespassers, but if he painted every local with the broad brush above, he probably didn't do himself any favors. Being a prick doesn't mean you deserve to have your place burned down, but it might make it more likely. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:21:35 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, we see who loves property rights and those who understand that laws aren't always as clear cut when the locals begin to ignore them because it's just how things are done in their communities. And we see those who think they have the right to move into an area to build their dream getaway and tell the locals how to do things and then are shocked, shocked when the locals tell them to fuck right off in the form of a burned playground retreat. I'm not advocating it, I'm just saying it isn't as cut and dry out in the sticks as suburbanites would like it to be and if they can't understand that they might want to reconsider their plans. The only difference between country trash and urban trash is population density. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:22:05 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dealing with poaching cock suckers on two of our pieces of land. The one we are currently living on has a beautiful early 1800s farm house. The other is very much like a mountain chalet. So anyway we think we have it pretty much under control now. Until 2 weeks ago I hike up the mountain to a little spot we've talked about putting a small kind of hang out, have drinks, watch the sun set is the valley below type place....... On the way upnI pass a fkn tree stand literally in sight of posted signs of ours and the neighbor!  I hike about another 1/4 mile to the site and someone built a fucking picnic table up there! Its standard size but half the length. So now idk what the plan is but im fuming mad. But local traditions over rule your property rights!!! (Sarcasm) |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:22:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, they don't. Socialist FSA fucks who think they are entitled to what is not theirs are the absolute lowest dregs of society. Fuck every one of them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Give the locals a fair shake and they'll reciprocate. Act like a dick and don't be surprised when your cabin burns down when you're back home. But people also need to understand that local tradition might trump property lines and laws. People that have been hunting the same patch of 250 acres their whole lives might simply ignore the "No Hunting" signs some new absentee landowner puts up. It's just the way it goes in rural areas and urbanites who buy a wilderness playground need to understand that. No, they don't. Socialist FSA fucks who think they are entitled to what is not theirs are the absolute lowest dregs of society. Fuck every one of them. It runs much deeper than your over simplified insult. The people living there often have roots that go back centuries. Their ancestors pushed the Indians off and settled the land. The families intermarried and built communities. In many cases the land stayed in the same clan for generations until economics forced them off. Then an outsider with the means to buy their land comes in and posts it up as if there is some way he can enforce his will on the ground that generations lived and died on. They have a way of life that your no trespassing sign isn't ever going to change. It has nothing to do with entitlement. I'm not saying that it's right, but I understand it because my relatives still live that way back in W. Va. A man might be better off trying to build relationships rather than trying to tell people to stay away. Even then, the reality is that I could probably buy some land where my people are and still not be safe based solely on the family name. Especially if I put up signs telling people that they can't ever again ride the back trails connecting their homes, or hunt for morels, or ramps, or ginseng, or just take a walk in the woods with their kids or dogs. If you go in to a tight, isolated community and try to push them around, they will push back. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:24:01 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It sucks about his property, and fuck poachers, but at the same time I can see where the locals wouldn't give a shit. He was an outsider, he just showed up where they lived just to have fun in his cabin, and didn't live there and get to know the locals. The backwoods isn't a city where people come and go on a regular basis. You have to establish yourself to the locals and showing up two weeks a year isn't the way to do it. But yeah, fuck poachers. Not getting to know you or being new to the area doesn't justify burning your place down. Fuck that and the horse it rode in on. If this is how they want to deal with others, then those others should apply the three S's to them and be done with it. You see this bullshit in a lot of places, with a bunch of goatfuckers who think they still own a parcel of land because their great-grandpappy owned it. The land was sold and the new owners don't owe you jack shit. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:24:20 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In this thread, we see who actually values private property rights, and who loves communism wrapped in the labels of tradition and small-town charm. Lol, you can call it whatever you want behind a big city keyboard but the facts don't change. If you can't guard your property then you are at the mercy of the people who live near it and the sheriff isn't going to give two shits about whether you think its communism or not. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:24:45 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The only difference between country trash and urban trash is population density. Yup. Trash is trash and class is class. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:26:14 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, you can call it whatever you want behind a big city keyboard but the facts don't change. If you can't guard your property then you are at the mercy of the people who live near it and the sheriff isn't going to give two shits about whether you think its communism or not. So you should only be allowed to own property if you can guard it 24/7 otherwise the neighbors should be able to claim it as their own
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:26:59 PM EST
[#39]
This is exactly my worry. I’ve moved around quite a bit for work and we’re looking at buying a couple hundred acres to hunt, retire on, etc. The fear of not knowing the neighbors, and what other issues could arise definitely give me pause.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:27:25 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It sucks about his property, and fuck poachers, but at the same time I can see where the locals wouldn't give a shit. He was an outsider, he just showed up where they lived just to have fun in his cabin, and didn't live there and get to know the locals. The backwoods isn't a city where people come and go on a regular basis. You have to establish yourself to the locals and showing up two weeks a year isn't the way to do it. But yeah, fuck poachers. I don't want to get to know the locals where I live in the suburbs. Why the fuck would I want to get to know the locals on my hunting land? |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:27:33 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. Trash is trash and class is class. Exhibit A: post right above yours I have lived everywhere from plywood shacks without running water to big cities; thieves and thugs are the same everywhere, regardless of their excuses. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:28:47 PM EST
[#42]
Some generally level-headed members are outing themselves as retards in this thread.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:28:49 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It sucks about his property, and fuck poachers, but at the same time I can see where the locals wouldn't give a shit. He was an outsider, he just showed up where they lived just to have fun in his cabin, and didn't live there and get to know the locals. The backwoods isn't a city where people come and go on a regular basis. You have to establish yourself to the locals and showing up two weeks a year isn't the way to do it. But yeah, fuck poachers. 1. There's more to this story. The people in this area are VERY MUCH MYOB types. 2. I don't condone arson, for any reason. 3. The contempt this guy shows for the locals provides a clue toward number 1. 4. I suspect there might have been some subsistence poaching going on and this guy was making an issue of it. People there eat Raccoon on the regular. The occasional deer shot out of season to feed your family for the rest of the winter isn't exactly condoned, but the local sheriff isn't exactly going to to go out of the way to throw the book at someone for it either. 5. He might as well sell his land at this point because after indicting the whole populace of the area he won't just get to re-build and go on as if nothing happened. They'll do it again. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:29:20 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It runs much deeper than your over simplified insult. The people living there often have roots that go back centuries. Their ancestors pushed the Indians off and settled the land. The families intermarried and built communities. In many cases the land stayed in the same clan for generations until economics forced them off. Then an outsider with the means to buy their land comes in and posts it up as if there is some way he can enforce his will on the ground that generations lived and died on. They have a way of life that your no trespassing sign isn't ever going to change. It has nothing to do with entitlement. I'm not saying that it's right, but I understand it because my relatives still live that way back in W. Va. A man might be better off trying to build relationships rather than trying to tell people to stay away. Even then, the reality is that I could probably buy some land where my people are and still not be safe based solely on the family name. Especially if I put up signs telling people that they can't ever again ride the back trails connecting their homes, or hunt for morels, or ramps, or ginseng, or just take a walk in the woods with their kids or dogs. If you go in to a tight, isolated community and try to push them around, they will push back. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Give the locals a fair shake and they'll reciprocate. Act like a dick and don't be surprised when your cabin burns down when you're back home. But people also need to understand that local tradition might trump property lines and laws. People that have been hunting the same patch of 250 acres their whole lives might simply ignore the "No Hunting" signs some new absentee landowner puts up. It's just the way it goes in rural areas and urbanites who buy a wilderness playground need to understand that. No, they don't. Socialist FSA fucks who think they are entitled to what is not theirs are the absolute lowest dregs of society. Fuck every one of them. It runs much deeper than your over simplified insult. The people living there often have roots that go back centuries. Their ancestors pushed the Indians off and settled the land. The families intermarried and built communities. In many cases the land stayed in the same clan for generations until economics forced them off. Then an outsider with the means to buy their land comes in and posts it up as if there is some way he can enforce his will on the ground that generations lived and died on. They have a way of life that your no trespassing sign isn't ever going to change. It has nothing to do with entitlement. I'm not saying that it's right, but I understand it because my relatives still live that way back in W. Va. A man might be better off trying to build relationships rather than trying to tell people to stay away. Even then, the reality is that I could probably buy some land where my people are and still not be safe based solely on the family name. Especially if I put up signs telling people that they can't ever again ride the back trails connecting their homes, or hunt for morels, or ramps, or ginseng, or just take a walk in the woods with their kids or dogs. If you go in to a tight, isolated community and try to push them around, they will push back. “Economics forced them off” = too stupid to value their father’s land above the Ford Pinto they got for selling off their inheritance. It has everything to do with entitlement. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:30:47 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, we see who loves property rights and those who understand that laws aren't always as clear cut when the locals begin to ignore them because it's just how things are done in their communities. And we see those who think they have the right to move into an area to build their dream getaway and tell the locals how to do things and then are shocked, shocked when the locals tell them to fuck right off in the form of a burned playground retreat. I'm not advocating it, I'm just saying it isn't as cut and dry out in the sticks as suburbanites would like it to be and if they can't understand that they might want to reconsider their plans. Honestly it is that cut and dry and believing that its not is about as backwards as someone believing since uncle Joe used to take you hunting in a spot 20 years ago, you are now able to hunt that land forever. I've owned land in the town I grew up in and now own land two counties away, I have dealt with trespassers in both places. Country folk are not stupid and know what property lines are just like everyone else, some pay attention to them and some don't care until you make them understand that you're not putting up with their bullshit. I always try to handle trespassers with respect the first time and ratchet it up from there. Most generally the ones that are dicks are dicks to everyone they come in to contact with and try to bully their way through life, once you let them know you're not someone that'll put up with it they'll move on. Some are a little more hard headed, but when they realize you'll match their stupid they'll move on to easier targets. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:30:55 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do we like or dislike snitches today? They are the governments deer after all. I can see spot lighters out the front window almost every night during deer season. Most of the time I'll ignore them. Occasionally don NODS and fuck with them. Do you see them coming down your driveway to pick you up? |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:31:25 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, we see who loves property rights and those who understand that laws aren't always as clear cut when the locals begin to ignore them because it's just how things are done in their communities. And we see those who think they have the right to move into an area to build their dream getaway and tell the locals how to do things and then are shocked, shocked when the locals tell them to fuck right off in the form of a burned playground retreat. I'm not advocating it, I'm just saying it isn't as cut and dry out in the sticks as suburbanites would like it to be and if they can't understand that they might want to reconsider their plans. Honestly it is that cut and dry and believing that its not is about as backwards as someone believing since uncle Joe used to take you hunting in a spot 20 years ago, you are now able to hunt that land forever. I've owned land in the town I grew up in and now own land two counties away, I have dealt with trespassers in both places. Country folk are not stupid and know what property lines are just like everyone else, some pay attention to them and some don't care until you make them understand that you're not putting up with their bullshit. I always try to handle trespassers with respect the first time and ratchet it up from there. Most generally the ones that are dicks are dicks to everyone they come in to contact with and try to bully their way through life, once you let them know you're not someone that'll put up with it they'll move on. Some are a little more hard headed, but when they realize you'll match their stupid they'll move on to easier targets. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:31:34 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So you should only be allowed to own property if you can guard it 24/7 otherwise the neighbors should be able to claim it as their own This thread reminds me from months ago those condoning and or understanding the riots disregarding all moral and legal rights that everyone has. And this is supposed to be a website about our rights and freedoms to be safe and live how/where we want within those guidelines...wtf |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:32:30 PM EST
[#49]
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people sharing all the world... lol....some of you guys, commies. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:34:47 PM EST
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