[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Mormons - explain this to me (Page 7 of 11)
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Quoted: Being prepared, spiritually and temporally, is taught and heavily encouraged for members. https://www.lds.org/topics/emergency-preparedness?lang=eng https://providentliving.lds.org/?lang=eng Now as far as firearms are concerned, the Church leadership has been very careful and generally steered clear of the topic due to the international nature of the Church and the desire to avoid giving governments the impression that the Church is building up militias. At the local level, especially around Utah, people who understand the Constitution, US history, and the history of the LDS tend to appreciate the importance of firearms. Quoted: Quoted: I have a question I've always wondered about. What is it about the Mormon faith that most members are into guns and prepping? Being prepared, spiritually and temporally, is taught and heavily encouraged for members. https://www.lds.org/topics/emergency-preparedness?lang=eng https://providentliving.lds.org/?lang=eng Now as far as firearms are concerned, the Church leadership has been very careful and generally steered clear of the topic due to the international nature of the Church and the desire to avoid giving governments the impression that the Church is building up militias. At the local level, especially around Utah, people who understand the Constitution, US history, and the history of the LDS tend to appreciate the importance of firearms. And yet I had to leave my Glock in my hotel room when I went to see Music and the Spoken Word.  |
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And yet I had to leave my Glock in my hotel room when I went to see Music and the Spoken Word.
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I have a question I've always wondered about. What is it about the Mormon faith that most members are into guns and prepping? Being prepared, spiritually and temporally, is taught and heavily encouraged for members. https://www.lds.org/topics/emergency-preparedness?lang=eng https://providentliving.lds.org/?lang=eng Now as far as firearms are concerned, the Church leadership has been very careful and generally steered clear of the topic due to the international nature of the Church and the desire to avoid giving governments the impression that the Church is building up militias. At the local level, especially around Utah, people who understand the Constitution, US history, and the history of the LDS tend to appreciate the importance of firearms. And yet I had to leave my Glock in my hotel room when I went to see Music and the Spoken Word.
You aren't the only one frustrated by that. Per Utah law, a church must post itself on a list managed by the BCI in order to ban firearms from all church properties. Here is the list. You'll notice something interesting about it. http://bci.utah.gov/concealed-firearm/general-information/houses-of-worship-prohibiting-firearms-on-premises/ I once asked my previous bishop about the matter. His response was, "if it's concealed, who is going to know?" Also, the consequence of being found with a firearm in a church building is being asked to remove the firearm from the premises. Refusal to remove the weapon is a trespassing charge if you have your CCL. |
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Quoted: yeah, why not. If we're really enternal beings, then sooner or later you're going to learn enough to become a God. Quoted: Quoted: Can man become a God (like the Doctrine and Covenants says)? was God once a man? So much for Isaiah 14. |
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Quoted: Well one thing is for sure. Ain't none of getting out of here alive. Jesus didn't do it it the first try. One day we will be dead, or on the other side of something. Until then we have to go with what we think best. I'll stay Mormon.  |
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Well one thing is for sure. Ain't none of getting out of here alive. Jesus didn't do it it the first try. One day we will be dead, or on the other side of something. Until then we have to go with what we think best. I'll stay Mormon. Don't forget that the part in red is both false and blasphemy. |
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Quoted: You aren't the only one frustrated by that. Per Utah law, a church must post itself on a list managed by the BCI in order to ban firearms from all church properties. Here is the list. You'll notice something interesting about it. http://bci.utah.gov/concealed-firearm/general-information/houses-of-worship-prohibiting-firearms-on-premises/ I once asked my previous bishop about the matter. His response was, "if it's concealed, who is going to know?" Also, the consequence of being found with a firearm in a church building is being asked to remove the firearm from the premises. Refusal to remove the weapon is a trespassing charge if you have your CCL. Quoted: Quoted: And yet I had to leave my Glock in my hotel room when I went to see Music and the Spoken Word. You aren't the only one frustrated by that. Per Utah law, a church must post itself on a list managed by the BCI in order to ban firearms from all church properties. Here is the list. You'll notice something interesting about it. http://bci.utah.gov/concealed-firearm/general-information/houses-of-worship-prohibiting-firearms-on-premises/ I once asked my previous bishop about the matter. His response was, "if it's concealed, who is going to know?" Also, the consequence of being found with a firearm in a church building is being asked to remove the firearm from the premises. Refusal to remove the weapon is a trespassing charge if you have your CCL. Unless I'm missing something, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the only church that bans guns. I didn't check into what would happen if I got caught. Coming from a state with very few restrictions on where you can carry (if you're fortunate enough to get a CCW), I'm very careful to obey statutory restrictions like that, so I left the gun behind. I'd rather have had it with me, but the convention center and Temple Square seemend really safe on a sunny Sunday morning. |
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I was raised mormon, dad was a bishop and all that noise. Great people, had a lot of fun in youth groups, but stopped going when I got a girlfriend and discovered the wonderful sin of premarital sex. What the fuck is up with garments? I know my parents wear them, but until now, I never really thought about. Are you allowed to take them off for sex? Do you have to sleep in them? ETA Totally not bashing, love mormons, just dont share beliefs, still friends with tons |
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Unless I'm missing something, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the only church that bans guns. I didn't check into what would happen if I got caught. Coming from a state with very few restrictions on where you can carry (if you're fortunate enough to get a CCW), I'm very careful to obey statutory restrictions like that, so I left the gun behind. I'd rather have had it with me, but the convention center and Temple Square seemend really safe on a sunny Sunday morning. Quoted:
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And yet I had to leave my Glock in my hotel room when I went to see Music and the Spoken Word.
You aren't the only one frustrated by that. Per Utah law, a church must post itself on a list managed by the BCI in order to ban firearms from all church properties. Here is the list. You'll notice something interesting about it. http://bci.utah.gov/concealed-firearm/general-information/houses-of-worship-prohibiting-firearms-on-premises/ I once asked my previous bishop about the matter. His response was, "if it's concealed, who is going to know?" Also, the consequence of being found with a firearm in a church building is being asked to remove the firearm from the premises. Refusal to remove the weapon is a trespassing charge if you have your CCL. Unless I'm missing something, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the only church that bans guns. I didn't check into what would happen if I got caught. Coming from a state with very few restrictions on where you can carry (if you're fortunate enough to get a CCW), I'm very careful to obey statutory restrictions like that, so I left the gun behind. I'd rather have had it with me, but the convention center and Temple Square seemend really safe on a sunny Sunday morning. Bingo. That's the interesting thing about the "list". Some of us suspect that this is the influence of some General Authorities from the west coast and Hawaii. |
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I was raised mormon, dad was a bishop and all that noise. Great people, had a lot of fun in youth groups, but stopped going when I got a girlfriend and discovered the wonderful sin of premarital sex. What the fuck is up with garments? I know my parents wear them, but until now, I never really thought about. Are you allowed to take them off for sex? Do you have to sleep in them? ETA Totally not bashing, love mormons, just dont share beliefs, still friends with tons Surprised that you'd go to a bunch of anonymous folks than your own parents considering that your parents know the answer.
Of course we don't wear undergarments for sex, or showering, or swimming. Yes, we sleep in them. |
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Quoted: Surprised that you'd go to a bunch of anonymous folks than your own parents considering that your parents know the answer. Of course we don't wear undergarments for sex, or showering, or swimming. Yes, we sleep in them. Quoted: Quoted: I was raised mormon, dad was a bishop and all that noise. Great people, had a lot of fun in youth groups, but stopped going when I got a girlfriend and discovered the wonderful sin of premarital sex. What the fuck is up with garments? I know my parents wear them, but until now, I never really thought about. Are you allowed to take them off for sex? Do you have to sleep in them? ETA Totally not bashing, love mormons, just dont share beliefs, still friends with tons Surprised that you'd go to a bunch of anonymous folks than your own parents considering that your parents know the answer. Of course we don't wear undergarments for sex, or showering, or swimming. Yes, we sleep in them. As long as we're on the subject, do the garments go over or under bras and underwear? |
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I was raised mormon, dad was a bishop and all that noise. Great people, had a lot of fun in youth groups, but stopped going when I got a girlfriend and discovered the wonderful sin of premarital sex. What the fuck is up with garments? I know my parents wear them, but until now, I never really thought about. Are you allowed to take them off for sex? Do you have to sleep in them? ETA Totally not bashing, love mormons, just dont share beliefs, still friends with tons Surprised that you'd go to a bunch of anonymous folks than your own parents considering that your parents know the answer.
Of course we don't wear undergarments for sex, or showering, or swimming. Yes, we sleep in them. As long as we're on the subject, do the garments go over or under bras and underwear? Under everything. |
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Im not LDS but I really enjoy Mormans as neighbors and contributing members of the communities Ive lived in. Personaly I have a tremendous amount of respect for the LDS religion even though I don't agree with their doctrine/theology. Also, everyone has been a supporter of the 2A. Good folks in my book. This. Not interested in their religion, but I'm always impressed by their values and lifestyle. Good folks. |
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I was raised mormon, dad was a bishop and all that noise. Great people, had a lot of fun in youth groups, but stopped going when I got a girlfriend and discovered the wonderful sin of premarital sex. What the fuck is up with garments? I know my parents wear them, but until now, I never really thought about. Are you allowed to take them off for sex? Do you have to sleep in them? ETA Totally not bashing, love mormons, just dont share beliefs, still friends with tons Surprised that you'd go to a bunch of anonymous folks than your own parents considering that your parents know the answer.
Of course we don't wear undergarments for sex, or showering, or swimming. Yes, we sleep in them. As long as we're on the subject, do the garments go over or under bras and underwear? Under everything. This. Under. |
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This. Not interested in their religion, but I'm always impressed by their values and lifestyle. Good folks. Quoted:
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Im not LDS but I really enjoy Mormans as neighbors and contributing members of the communities Ive lived in. Personaly I have a tremendous amount of respect for the LDS religion even though I don't agree with their doctrine/theology. Also, everyone has been a supporter of the 2A. Good folks in my book. This. Not interested in their religion, but I'm always impressed by their values and lifestyle. Good folks. I appreciate the thought, but if you look hard enough you can find a bad apple in any bunch. |
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Unless I'm missing something, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the only church that bans guns. I didn't check into what would happen if I got caught. Coming from a state with very few restrictions on where you can carry (if you're fortunate enough to get a CCW), I'm very careful to obey statutory restrictions like that, so I left the gun behind. I'd rather have had it with me, but the convention center and Temple Square seemend really safe on a sunny Sunday morning. Quoted:
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And yet I had to leave my Glock in my hotel room when I went to see Music and the Spoken Word.
You aren't the only one frustrated by that. Per Utah law, a church must post itself on a list managed by the BCI in order to ban firearms from all church properties. Here is the list. You'll notice something interesting about it. http://bci.utah.gov/concealed-firearm/general-information/houses-of-worship-prohibiting-firearms-on-premises/ I once asked my previous bishop about the matter. His response was, "if it's concealed, who is going to know?" Also, the consequence of being found with a firearm in a church building is being asked to remove the firearm from the premises. Refusal to remove the weapon is a trespassing charge if you have your CCL. Unless I'm missing something, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the only church that bans guns. I didn't check into what would happen if I got caught. Coming from a state with very few restrictions on where you can carry (if you're fortunate enough to get a CCW), I'm very careful to obey statutory restrictions like that, so I left the gun behind. I'd rather have had it with me, but the convention center and Temple Square seemend really safe on a sunny Sunday morning. I pack all the time, guess i shouldn't mention that to my Bishop. |
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Not Mormon here. I grew up several of my best friends were Mormons. They ran the banks in my small home town. I knew the ones that were well off. All nice people. I finally got meet some of the ones who didn't make bank through my "rich" friends. Separate and not equal described what I saw in my teen years. They were all nice people, they all seemed to get along. But if you didn't have rent houses, work as bank VP or in the financial industry, you went to a different church service. Your kids, while friends with, did not regularly interact with the lower class. Now this is a sample of one. Not necessarily representative of a whole religion. But did include other small towns in the area, and the Church in the city they all attended. The Mormons I have known all lived pretty clean lives. Decent people. I disagree with their theology. They disagree with mine. Oh well. I will say that as we transitioned to adults, when they tried to convert me and I said NO. Well that was the very last time I heard from 99% of them. There is one older guy that will still talk to me if he sees me. This was all over 30 years ago. These threads are always so full of... "enlightenment". And 13er stereotypical posts. 
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It's an interesting encapsulation of human psychology....It's rather amusing watching certain folks get all bent out of shape over things they claim they don't believe. Just so I'm not misinterpreting anything here... is that a jab at the LDS members here? Or a jab at the anti-LDS members here? |
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I appreciate the thought, but if you look hard enough you can find a bad apple in any bunch. Quoted:
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Im not LDS but I really enjoy Mormans as neighbors and contributing members of the communities Ive lived in. Personaly I have a tremendous amount of respect for the LDS religion even though I don't agree with their doctrine/theology. Also, everyone has been a supporter of the 2A. Good folks in my book. This. Not interested in their religion, but I'm always impressed by their values and lifestyle. Good folks. I appreciate the thought, but if you look hard enough you can find a bad apple in any bunch. I'm the bad apple in the Mormon bunch.I try hard, but I really suck at it. Hopefully someday I'll be better at it
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Quoted: I pack all the time, guess i shouldn't mention that to my Bishop. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: And yet I had to leave my Glock in my hotel room when I went to see Music and the Spoken Word. You aren't the only one frustrated by that. Per Utah law, a church must post itself on a list managed by the BCI in order to ban firearms from all church properties. Here is the list. You'll notice something interesting about it. http://bci.utah.gov/concealed-firearm/general-information/houses-of-worship-prohibiting-firearms-on-premises/ I once asked my previous bishop about the matter. His response was, "if it's concealed, who is going to know?" Also, the consequence of being found with a firearm in a church building is being asked to remove the firearm from the premises. Refusal to remove the weapon is a trespassing charge if you have your CCL. Unless I'm missing something, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the only church that bans guns. I didn't check into what would happen if I got caught. Coming from a state with very few restrictions on where you can carry (if you're fortunate enough to get a CCW), I'm very careful to obey statutory restrictions like that, so I left the gun behind. I'd rather have had it with me, but the convention center and Temple Square seemend really safe on a sunny Sunday morning. I pack all the time, guess i shouldn't mention that to my Bishop. We're referencing a UT law. |
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Ah, gotta love a Mormon thread.
Where a bunch of bigots who think they know what Mormons believe, try to forcefully tell Mormons (incorrectly) what they believe, and then call them ignorant, because the Mormons cling to, and don't abandon their religion because of all the crazy stuff they are supposed to belief, but actually don't. 
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And yet I had to leave my Glock in my hotel room when I went to see Music and the Spoken Word.
You aren't the only one frustrated by that. Per Utah law, a church must post itself on a list managed by the BCI in order to ban firearms from all church properties. Here is the list. You'll notice something interesting about it. http://bci.utah.gov/concealed-firearm/general-information/houses-of-worship-prohibiting-firearms-on-premises/ I once asked my previous bishop about the matter. His response was, "if it's concealed, who is going to know?" Also, the consequence of being found with a firearm in a church building is being asked to remove the firearm from the premises. Refusal to remove the weapon is a trespassing charge if you have your CCL. Unless I'm missing something, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the only church that bans guns. I didn't check into what would happen if I got caught. Coming from a state with very few restrictions on where you can carry (if you're fortunate enough to get a CCW), I'm very careful to obey statutory restrictions like that, so I left the gun behind. I'd rather have had it with me, but the convention center and Temple Square seemend really safe on a sunny Sunday morning. I pack all the time, guess i shouldn't mention that to my Bishop. I know here in Ohio, they have the law that you must have permission from the pastor to carry in church. Most of the bishops I know in this area could care less if one carries in church and would support the member if they were ever questioned by law enforcement. I know many that carry in my congregation, and the bishop is one of the biggest supporters of it. |
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Quoted: Interesting. How do mormon's deal with the inconvenient genetic research discrepencies? Quoted: Quoted: I'm sure somebody more studious, devout, whatever than I am will chime in, but the short answer to your question is yes. In the Book of Mormon the Lamanites essentially wipe out the Nephites. The Book of Mormon ends around 400AD and it is a commonly held belief amongst Mormons that Native Americans are descendents from the Lamanites. Having said that, I think I've read that genetic research has disproven that a bit and claims Native Americans are not of Middle Eastern descent (i.e. Israelites). Interesting. How do mormon's deal with the inconvenient genetic research discrepencies? The same way they deal with the Book of Abraham; mostly they don't. It's like dealing with plot holes in a movie. People who are really into the movie either don't notice or don't let it bother them. Or they come up with elaborate, far fetched explanations. They say, "Yeah it doesn't make any sense but I like the movie anyway." Science and religion often disagree but that changes few people's minds. |
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Ah, gotta love a Mormon thread. Where a bunch of bigots who think they know what Mormons believe, try to forcefully tell Mormons (incorrectly) what they believe, and then call them ignorant, because the Mormons cling to, and don't abandon their religion because of all the crazy stuff they are supposed to belief, but actually don't. I think you're correct. Possibly. Or maybe, just mostly. So to speak... |
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Quoted: Ah, gotta love a Mormon thread. Where a bunch of bigots who think they know what Mormons believe, try to forcefully tell Mormons (incorrectly) what they believe, and then call them ignorant, because the Mormons cling to, and don't abandon their religion because of all the crazy stuff they are supposed to belief, but actually don't. That about sums it up. |
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I guess I can pose this question here: Why do Mormons seem to hate Trump so much, and is it because his wife has sexy pics on the interwebs? (I know I live in Utah so I should know but I try not to ask people around me the things I would ask on arfcom) The majority of my family (Aunts, uncles and their kids, grandkids) are mormon and I see them backing Trump on facebook all the time. |
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Why use DNA at all? You guys don't trust it when it says we share DNA (and a common ancestor) with apes. We even have the fossil record and a bunch of other good objective evidence that man evolved, yet people reject it. I have been out of the church for a long time but I believe that part of mormon theology is a belief in evolution, they just believe that it was orchestrated by God. |
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Quoted: This. Under. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I was raised mormon, dad was a bishop and all that noise. Great people, had a lot of fun in youth groups, but stopped going when I got a girlfriend and discovered the wonderful sin of premarital sex. What the fuck is up with garments? I know my parents wear them, but until now, I never really thought about. Are you allowed to take them off for sex? Do you have to sleep in them? ETA Totally not bashing, love mormons, just dont share beliefs, still friends with tons Surprised that you'd go to a bunch of anonymous folks than your own parents considering that your parents know the answer. Of course we don't wear undergarments for sex, or showering, or swimming. Yes, we sleep in them. As long as we're on the subject, do the garments go over or under bras and underwear? Under everything. This. Under. Sounds uncomfortable (particularly for women) and hot, given the weather I remember in Utah in July, but I understand their religious significance to LDS. |
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Ah, gotta love a Mormon thread. Where a bunch of bigots who think they know what Mormons believe, try to forcefully tell Mormons (incorrectly) what they believe, and then call them ignorant, because the Mormons cling to, and don't abandon their religion because of all the crazy stuff they are supposed to belief, but actually don't. That about sums it up. I didn't see that here. I saw "disagreement", but no evidence of " try to forcefully tell Mormons (incorrectly) what they believe". Polite disagreement is not hatred. |
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Im not LDS but I really enjoy Mormans as neighbors and contributing members of the communities Ive lived in. Personaly I have a tremendous amount of respect for the LDS religion even though I don't agree with their doctrine/theology. Also, everyone has been a supporter of the 2A. Good folks in my book. This. Not interested in their religion, but I'm always impressed by their values and lifestyle. Good folks. I appreciate the thought, but if you look hard enough you can find a bad apple in any bunch. I'm the bad apple in the Mormon bunch.I try hard, but I really suck at it. Hopefully someday I'll be better at it I tried cutting school once when I was a senior in high school. My friends that I was going to cut with ditched me, so I figured that I might as well stay. Summary: I tried to rebel, but failed. Oh, and crashburnrepeat, you don't strike me as a bad apple at all.
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Sounds uncomfortable (particularly for women) and hot, given the weather I remember in Utah in July, but I understand their religious significance to LDS. Quoted:
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As long as we're on the subject, do the garments go over or under bras and underwear? Under everything. This. Under. Sounds uncomfortable (particularly for women) and hot, given the weather I remember in Utah in July, but I understand their religious significance to LDS. My wife doesn't seem to mind them. They are made out of several different materials so you can get hot weather types or even cold weather materials. |
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Sounds uncomfortable (particularly for women) and hot, given the weather I remember in Utah in July, but I understand their religious significance to LDS. There are several types of materials used for garments, and a few minor differences in styles. Crew neck, round neck, etc., a range of material choices based on cotton, polyester, or blends, etc. There are fabrics for hot weather, cold weather, etc. |
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My wife doesn't seem to mind them. They are made out of several different materials so you can get hot weather types or even cold weather materials. Quoted:
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As long as we're on the subject, do the garments go over or under bras and underwear? Under everything. This. Under. Sounds uncomfortable (particularly for women) and hot, given the weather I remember in Utah in July, but I understand their religious significance to LDS. My wife doesn't seem to mind them. They are made out of several different materials so you can get hot weather types or even cold weather materials. Yeah. In fact, this year I believe some updated style and fitting options became available due to feedback from women in the church. |
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I didn't see that here. I saw "disagreement", but no evidence of " try to forcefully tell Mormons (incorrectly) what they believe". Polite disagreement is not hatred. Quoted:
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Ah, gotta love a Mormon thread. Where a bunch of bigots who think they know what Mormons believe, try to forcefully tell Mormons (incorrectly) what they believe, and then call them ignorant, because the Mormons cling to, and don't abandon their religion because of all the crazy stuff they are supposed to belief, but actually don't. That about sums it up. I didn't see that here. I saw "disagreement", but no evidence of " try to forcefully tell Mormons (incorrectly) what they believe". Polite disagreement is not hatred. Go back and read through the thread. There are several instances where people claim Mormon's believe X or Y which are flat out lies. There is much more then a polite disagreement. The sources most people get their information about Mormons from are as accurate and unbiased as a book written about Christianity by a radical Muslim. When asked if you have ever read the Book of Mormon, you essentially dismissed it as false, simply because you interpreted that some Book with absolutely zero scientific proof supposedly told you so. I have looked at other religions throughout my life. I have attended many of their services and tried to learn of their doctrine firsthand. It's too bad most of the bigots blindly opposed to the Mormon church refuse to do the same. They think they know it all already, and essentially find any opportunity they can to slander the LDS church. Kind of closed minded if you ask me. I do have some respect for you as you are not as bad as many on here and seem to be rather level headed, but I would have alot more respect if you would be willing to put aside your pre-concieved notions and actually read the Book of Mormon 1st hand. If you still disagree after that. Great. Fire away. You are entitled to your own opinion. It just bugs me when people simply regurgitate the opinions of people whose entire lives are dedicated to nothing more then trying to rip apart the Mormon church. |
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I didn't see that here. I saw "disagreement", but no evidence of " try to forcefully tell Mormons (incorrectly) what they believe". Polite disagreement is not hatred. Quoted:
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Ah, gotta love a Mormon thread. Where a bunch of bigots who think they know what Mormons believe, try to forcefully tell Mormons (incorrectly) what they believe, and then call them ignorant, because the Mormons cling to, and don't abandon their religion because of all the crazy stuff they are supposed to belief, but actually don't. That about sums it up. I didn't see that here. I saw "disagreement", but no evidence of " try to forcefully tell Mormons (incorrectly) what they believe". Polite disagreement is not hatred. Uhhh, the video on page 5 contains 'doctrine' that I've never heard over the pulpit or read in a Mormon publication in my 35 years, of attending the church weekly and serving a two year full time mission for the church. It's entitled 'what Mormons really believe.' Gee, I didn't even know I believed that, but if an anti-Mormon internet animation posted by some anti-Mormon on Arfcom says I do, then I must... Its alright though, God can do His work. Either it will come to naught or I guess I'll burn in hell for believing that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and trying to live my life according to His teachings. Those teachings and the miracle of His atonement have done amazing things for me so far so I guess I'll risk hellfire as the Book of Mormon simply amplifies, simplifies and confirms the mission and divinity of Jesus Christ. |
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Quoted: Uhhh, the video on page 5 contains 'doctrine' that I've never heard over the pulpit or read in a Mormon publication in my 35 years, of attending the church weekly and serving a two year full time mission for the church. It's entitled 'what Mormons really believe.' Gee, I didn't even know I believed that, but if an anti-Mormon internet animation posted by some anti-Mormon on Arfcom says I do, then I must... Its alright though, God can do His work. Either it will come to naught or I guess I'll burn in hell for believing that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and trying to live my life according to His teachings. Those teachings and the miracle of His atonement have done amazing things for me so far so I guess I'll risk hellfire as the Book of Mormon simply amplifies, simplifies and confirms the mission and divinity of Jesus Christ. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ah, gotta love a Mormon thread. Where a bunch of bigots who think they know what Mormons believe, try to forcefully tell Mormons (incorrectly) what they believe, and then call them ignorant, because the Mormons cling to, and don't abandon their religion because of all the crazy stuff they are supposed to belief, but actually don't. That about sums it up. I didn't see that here. I saw "disagreement", but no evidence of " try to forcefully tell Mormons (incorrectly) what they believe". Polite disagreement is not hatred. Uhhh, the video on page 5 contains 'doctrine' that I've never heard over the pulpit or read in a Mormon publication in my 35 years, of attending the church weekly and serving a two year full time mission for the church. It's entitled 'what Mormons really believe.' Gee, I didn't even know I believed that, but if an anti-Mormon internet animation posted by some anti-Mormon on Arfcom says I do, then I must... Its alright though, God can do His work. Either it will come to naught or I guess I'll burn in hell for believing that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and trying to live my life according to His teachings. Those teachings and the miracle of His atonement have done amazing things for me so far so I guess I'll risk hellfire as the Book of Mormon simply amplifies, simplifies and confirms the mission and divinity of Jesus Christ. I'm always amazed by the things many church members don't know about the teachings of the church and it's history. I guess I shouldn't be though. When I was younger and started to explore the history of the church on my own I found an awful lot of information I never heard over the pulpit or read in any Mormon publication. This played a significant role in deciding that the church wasn't for me. |
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I'm always amazed by the things many church members don't know about the teachings of the church and it's history. I guess I shouldn't be though. When I was younger and started to explore the history of the church on my own I found an awful lot of information I never heard over the pulpit or read in any Mormon publication. This played a significant role in deciding that the church wasn't for me. Quoted:
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Ah, gotta love a Mormon thread. Where a bunch of bigots who think they know what Mormons believe, try to forcefully tell Mormons (incorrectly) what they believe, and then call them ignorant, because the Mormons cling to, and don't abandon their religion because of all the crazy stuff they are supposed to belief, but actually don't. That about sums it up. I didn't see that here. I saw "disagreement", but no evidence of " try to forcefully tell Mormons (incorrectly) what they believe". Polite disagreement is not hatred. Uhhh, the video on page 5 contains 'doctrine' that I've never heard over the pulpit or read in a Mormon publication in my 35 years, of attending the church weekly and serving a two year full time mission for the church. It's entitled 'what Mormons really believe.' Gee, I didn't even know I believed that, but if an anti-Mormon internet animation posted by some anti-Mormon on Arfcom says I do, then I must... Its alright though, God can do His work. Either it will come to naught or I guess I'll burn in hell for believing that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and trying to live my life according to His teachings. Those teachings and the miracle of His atonement have done amazing things for me so far so I guess I'll risk hellfire as the Book of Mormon simply amplifies, simplifies and confirms the mission and divinity of Jesus Christ. I'm always amazed by the things many church members don't know about the teachings of the church and it's history. I guess I shouldn't be though. When I was younger and started to explore the history of the church on my own I found an awful lot of information I never heard over the pulpit or read in any Mormon publication. This played a significant role in deciding that the church wasn't for me. A third hand account, or a diary entry, of a statement by a past church leader does not doctrine make. The church is very clear on what is doctrine and what isn't, and how doctrine is established. That is where the problem arises. Some church leader 180 years ago gave a talk and a few people in the congregation took notes. Years later, other people take those notes, (sometimes written on items such as a hat brim) and try to recreate the talk that was given. There likely are parts that are true, but they have also been shown to have many errors, or supposed doctrine that contradicts other talks given by the same individual. Thus, they are not official church doctrine or teachings, It's interesting through that sources like that are used to form the majority of anti-Mormon attacks against the church. Some sources that are used are even straight out claimed as false doctrine by the church and disowned by the authors. I think most members know a great deal about the history of the church, and what some of the early leaders may have said. They just choose to focus on the actual true doctrine and teachings. |
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I'm always amazed by the things many church members don't know about the teachings of the church and it's history. I guess I shouldn't be though. When I was younger and started to explore the history of the church on my own I found an awful lot of information I never heard over the pulpit or read in any Mormon publication. This played a significant role in deciding that the church wasn't for me. Discovering that members of the Church aren't perfect, and history isn't always as neat as it's sometimes presented doesn't shake my testimony. I've long since come to recognize that if the Lord is willing to accept service from my unworthy self, I shouldn't be so surprised when other servants of God have faults. |
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I didn't see that here. I saw "disagreement", but no evidence of " try to forcefully tell Mormons (incorrectly) what they believe". Polite disagreement is not hatred. Lordy... 
So your acute powers of observation at the range don't translate to your powers of observation in a GD Mormon thread? Your bias is obvious and it's strong... whether you see it or not. |
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Uh, I hate to break it to you, but your Christian beliefs are just as made up as LDS beliefs. Neither are actual history, and despite what you consider "evidence" there is NONE. You just choose to interpret one set of religious dogma as fact and ridicule another. Quoted:
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FYI.... A cult is a religious or social group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. My Christian beliefs are not made up. We have over 2000 years of history....unlike this 
http:// http://askgramps.org/files/2014/08/Joseph-Smith-using-a-hat.jpg NAILED it. 
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My wife doesn't seem to mind them. They are made out of several different materials so you can get hot weather types or even cold weather materials. Some of the get-ups Marie Osmond wore don't seem to be able to hide that. Are there "reduced footprint" versions for sports and entertainment? |
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Can man become a God (like the Doctrine and Covenants says)? was God once a man? So much for Isaiah 14. Verses 13&14? What of it? Still doesn't explain why sooner or later you won't learn enough to do your own thing. |