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Posted: 11/17/2017 9:33:16 AM EST
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Type "Aldrich Ames" into your favorite search engine. Perhaps you'll learn something. |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 9:34:28 AM EST
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I hope my previous post explains why they are moving into Turkey. Russia is backfiring. |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 9:36:42 AM EST
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I hope my previous post explains why they are moving into Turkey. Russia is backfiring. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some are now switching to Turkey as we speak. 
https://www.justsecurity.org/47121/turkey-valentines-day-trump-obstruct-investigation-flynns-kidnap-plots/ When President Donald Trump tried to stop the FBI investigation of his national security adviser, retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, was Trump aware of Flynn’s meetings with Turkish officials? If so, it could significantly increase the president’s exposure to political liability and legal wrongdoing involving obstruction of justice.
On Valentine’s Day 2017, the president asked FBI Director James Comey if he could see his “way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go,” according to Comey’s congressional testimony (see also interview with Donald Trump Jr.). What was Trump wanting Comey to let go exactly? So far the media has focused on federal investigators’ ongoing probe at the time into whether Flynn lied to the FBI, but at the same time there was also an ongoing federal investigation into Flynn’s work on behalf of Turkey–and the White House knew about it. We also now know that on Sept. 19, 2016, and in mid-December 2016, Flynn reportedly met with senior Turkish officials, and discussed the prospect of kidnapping and secretly removing a US resident, cleric Fethullah Gülen, from the United States into Turkey’s custody. If Trump knew about the Turkey meetings at the time of the Feb. 14 exchange with Comey, that would raise a “different order of problem for the President,” Ben Wittes exclaimed on Lawfare’s podcast. Ben’s right. |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 9:49:30 AM EST
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I hope my previous post explains why they are moving into Turkey. Russia is backfiring. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some are now switching to Turkey as we speak. |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 9:50:55 AM EST
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I wasn't aware there was a one country limit on foreign countries with ties to the Trump campaign.
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Some are now switching to Turkey as we speak.
https://www.justsecurity.org/47121/turkey-valentines-day-trump-obstruct-investigation-flynns-kidnap-plots/ When President Donald Trump tried to stop the FBI investigation of his national security adviser, retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, was Trump aware of Flynn’s meetings with Turkish officials? If so, it could significantly increase the president’s exposure to political liability and legal wrongdoing involving obstruction of justice.
On Valentine’s Day 2017, the president asked FBI Director James Comey if he could see his “way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go,” according to Comey’s congressional testimony (see also interview with Donald Trump Jr.). What was Trump wanting Comey to let go exactly? So far the media has focused on federal investigators’ ongoing probe at the time into whether Flynn lied to the FBI, but at the same time there was also an ongoing federal investigation into Flynn’s work on behalf of Turkey–and the White House knew about it. We also now know that on Sept. 19, 2016, and in mid-December 2016, Flynn reportedly met with senior Turkish officials, and discussed the prospect of kidnapping and secretly removing a US resident, cleric Fethullah Gülen, from the United States into Turkey’s custody. If Trump knew about the Turkey meetings at the time of the Feb. 14 exchange with Comey, that would raise a “different order of problem for the President,” Ben Wittes exclaimed on Lawfare’s podcast. Ben’s right.  
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Posted: 11/17/2017 9:54:36 AM EST
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You are naive if don't believe gov'ts are using foreign intelligence services to circumvent domestic spying laws. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/17/2017 9:56:12 AM EST
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It's more of a "get both" thing - there's a decent chance there will be some Russian "issues" brought up regarding Flynn. Remember, he got fired for lying to Pence about the existence of phone conversations he had with the Russian ambassador. I haven't seen any information about what was discussed during those calls... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I hope my previous post explains why they are moving into Turkey. Russia is backfiring. Why was the Obama administration spying and unmasking names on Flynn's phone calls? |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 9:57:02 AM EST
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Oh MY GOD.........it really is Turkey now!!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some are now switching to Turkey as we speak.
https://www.justsecurity.org/47121/turkey-valentines-day-trump-obstruct-investigation-flynns-kidnap-plots/ When President Donald Trump tried to stop the FBI investigation of his national security adviser, retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, was Trump aware of Flynn’s meetings with Turkish officials? If so, it could significantly increase the president’s exposure to political liability and legal wrongdoing involving obstruction of justice.
On Valentine’s Day 2017, the president asked FBI Director James Comey if he could see his “way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go,” according to Comey’s congressional testimony (see also interview with Donald Trump Jr.). What was Trump wanting Comey to let go exactly? So far the media has focused on federal investigators’ ongoing probe at the time into whether Flynn lied to the FBI, but at the same time there was also an ongoing federal investigation into Flynn’s work on behalf of Turkey–and the White House knew about it. We also now know that on Sept. 19, 2016, and in mid-December 2016, Flynn reportedly met with senior Turkish officials, and discussed the prospect of kidnapping and secretly removing a US resident, cleric Fethullah Gülen, from the United States into Turkey’s custody. If Trump knew about the Turkey meetings at the time of the Feb. 14 exchange with Comey, that would raise a “different order of problem for the President,” Ben Wittes exclaimed on Lawfare’s podcast. Ben’s right. 
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Posted: 11/17/2017 9:58:49 AM EST
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I wasn't aware there was a one country limit on foreign countries with ties to the Trump campaign.
https://www.justsecurity.org/47121/turkey-valentines-day-trump-obstruct-investigation-flynns-kidnap-plots/ |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 10:11:00 AM EST
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Posted: 11/17/2017 10:38:42 AM EST
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Try finding out who Ames was working for? He was employed by the CIA. |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 11:22:07 AM EST
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That's not difficult. He was employed by the CIA. Hint-it might begin with an R |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 11:33:14 AM EST
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He was a double agent-who in addition to the CIA was he spying for?
Any intelligence operative from any spy (or counter-spy) organization might be a double agent. Perhaps you shouldn't be quite so trusting. 
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Posted: 11/17/2017 11:36:02 AM EST
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Any intelligence operative from any spy (or counter-spy) organization might be a double agent. Perhaps you shouldn't be quite so trusting. |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 11:40:10 AM EST
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By definition, one cannot be a double agent without first being... an agent. Keep up the good work! |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 11:44:13 AM EST
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That's quite profound. Keep up the good work! |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 11:55:47 AM EST
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Ames was a double agent-who in addition to the CIA was he spying for?Duh? Hint-it might begin with an R |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 12:05:07 PM EST
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Posted: 11/17/2017 12:06:52 PM EST
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I'm sure this will be the week that Mueller does his big reveal. I'm sure of it...
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Posted: 11/17/2017 12:46:52 PM EST
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An anonymous source just dropped a new dossier on Hillary Clinton. 100% true. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/61337/Sekret_Dossier-365420.JPG |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 1:27:53 PM EST
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You seemed to need the help, non-sequitur about "intelligence operatives" notwithstanding.
Since the CIA calls some it it's employees "officers", under your theory those employees can't be "double agents". I avoided the semantic problem caused by the agency's choice of nomenclature by using the perfectly legitimate term "intelligence operatives". You can call them whatever you like. The point remains: Trusting spies is a risky business. |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 1:32:29 PM EST
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Since the CIA calls some it it's employees "officers", under your theory those employees can't be "double agents". I avoided the semantic problem caused by the agency's choice of nomenclature by using the perfectly legitimate term "intelligence operatives". You can call them whatever you like. The point remains: Trusting spies is a risky business. |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 1:49:08 PM EST
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Ames was an analyst with a money problem. When Ames was in Turkey he recruited agents, according to the report prepared by the Senate Intelligence Committee. According to the Turks, he infiltrated a pro-Communist organization during that time. While at CIA HQ he handled a Czech asset, according to the Senate Intelligence Committee. When in NYC he handled Soviet assets, according to the Senate Intelligence Committee. "Analyst", indeed. |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 1:49:36 PM EST
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Oh MY GOD.........it really is Turkey now!!! 
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Posted: 11/17/2017 1:59:54 PM EST
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You're quite the (self-appointed) expert! When Ames was in Turkey he recruited agents, according to the report prepared by the Senate Intelligence Committee. According to the Turks, he infiltrated a pro-Communist organization during that time. While at CIA HQ he handled a Czech asset, according to the Senate Intelligence Committee. When in NYC he handled Soviet assets, according to the Senate Intelligence Committee. "Analyst", indeed. |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 2:10:29 PM EST
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By any and all accounts his productivity when not behind a desk was unremarkable, or worse. Who to believe, an anonymous, self-appointed "expert" or the Senate Intelligence Committee report? It's not a difficult choice. 
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Posted: 11/17/2017 2:13:49 PM EST
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"Following his tour at CIA headquarters, Ames was assigned to New York City from 1976 until 1981, where he handled two important Soviet assets for the CIA. The performance appraisals he received during this period were the highest of his career." Who to believe, an anonymous, self-appointed "expert" or the Senate Intelligence Committee report? It's not a difficult choice. |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 2:22:22 PM EST
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And what did Wikipedia say about his previous ratings? If you want to continue to pretend to be an expert in this matter, you should read it. In any event, this case is an excellent example of the reasons why no sensible person places complete trust in a spy. |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 2:24:50 PM EST
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The Senate report is easily available. If you want to continue to pretend to be an expert in this matter, you should read it. In any event, this case is an excellent example of the reasons why no sensible person places complete trust in a spy. |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 2:56:36 PM EST
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How dare he talk to a NATO ally? What's next, talking to the British? 
Certainly seems a far more logical connection with the whole "election subversion" investigation, then accusing Flynn of talking to Turks about Gulen, which had fuck-all to do with election rigging. |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 4:59:33 PM EST
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"Offered a lot of money" but never took it. "to essentially kidnap a legal US resident" but also never happened. This is where listening to people's phone calls without context and unmasking names gets you. You have to make excuses why you were listening to them and unmasking their names. So I ask, why were they unmasking names in Trump's campaign? Turkey wants their people back & they're not our friends - we should kick every one of them out & bar their citizens from coming here. The guy in questions isn't a US citizen so there's no reason for him to be here anyway. And it's not like we don't call other governments to ask for our people back like they did - Trump just did it to get the 3 criminal thugs back from China; 0bama tried to get Snowden back, etc. If they want to try to put Flynn in jail it's a bigger black eye for 0bama anyway... |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 5:02:34 PM EST
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I'm sure this will be the week that Mueller does his big reveal. I'm sure of it... Maybe next week...
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Posted: 11/17/2017 6:40:27 PM EST
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I wouldn't take that bet - my feeling is that Flynn was acting alone on this. It's just going to turn into a convenient pressure point (even worse than Manafort's if the allegations are true) to get him to flip on other Trump campaign people. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Could be a an interesting development if it's actually linked to the Flynn investigation: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/does-cooperating-witness-have-info-flynn-tie-turkey-n821341 Mueller's team may have flipped someone who's associated with Flynn's alleged deal with Turkey to turn over Gulen in exchange for 15 million dollars. He's still in federal custody, but he's dropped off the radar of the counsel for his co-conspirators in a (unrelated) money laundering charge. He could simply be flipping on them or he could have flipped on Flynn et al. Should be interesting to see what develops from that. Already laying the groundwork for "Mike Flynn was a low-level person in the Trump administration. Trump doesn't even know who he is/was. He just got coffee for other staff."
The allegation is that Flynn was offered money -a lot of money- to essentially kidnap a legal US resident. I'd generally define that as "not cool". Assuming this is true, one of the questions that investigators will have to determine is if Flynn was flying solo or if he ran this insane scheme past Trump for approval first. I mean, anything is possible I guess................. I am willing to bet you that that will not be the case though. lol |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 6:53:22 PM EST
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Any intelligence operative from any spy (or counter-spy) organization might be a double agent. Perhaps you shouldn't be quite so trusting. |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 6:55:34 PM EST
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What the hell are you talking about-your post makes no sense.
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Posted: 11/17/2017 7:00:52 PM EST
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Oh. One more thing. I love how they speak in a manner like they are informing us of something important and that we were waiting to hear it. lol If noone engaged threads with the _s would they continue to speak to themselves or fade away? We are the |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 7:03:00 PM EST
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"Turkey!"
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Posted: 11/17/2017 7:19:25 PM EST
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What the hell are you talking about-your post makes no sense. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Any intelligence operative from any spy (or counter-spy) organization might be a double agent. Perhaps you shouldn't be quite so trusting. |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 8:18:25 PM EST
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I guess not - another week has ended & Trump hasn't been perp-walked out of the WH yet. Maybe next week... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm sure this will be the week that Mueller does his big reveal. I'm sure of it... Maybe next week... 
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Posted: 11/17/2017 8:37:15 PM EST
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It's been just over two weeks since indictments started. You're very impatient. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm sure this will be the week that Mueller does his big reveal. I'm sure of it... Maybe next week... |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 8:43:17 PM EST
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When this too let's you down, how will you react? |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 9:11:13 PM EST
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It's been just over two weeks since indictments started. You're very impatient. |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 9:33:29 PM EST
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Que the photos of Hillary eating with him and shaking hands with him. That is what ambassadors do...constantly meet with politicians and vice versa...been happening for ages. We even studied that aspect in Grad school Poly Sci courses. You are beyond grasping for straws. "Turkey!" Que means “what” in Spanish. |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 11:12:30 PM EST
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kushner-failed-disclose-outreach-putin-ally-trump-campaign-n822021
One source familiar with Kushner's testimony before congressional intelligence committees said he specifically denied, under oath, that he was familiar with any attempts by WikiLeaks to contact the campaign. But, according to the source, Kushner was sent an email by Trump Jr. about his conversations on Twitter with WikiLeaks, which were first disclosed by the Atlantic this week. Kushner forwarded an email about the WikiLeaks conversations to communications director Hope Hicks, the source said. A second source familiar with Kushner's testimony did not dispute that account. |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 11:21:39 PM EST
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Kushner rebuffed the request after receiving a lengthy email exchange about it between a West Virginia man and Trump campaign aide Rick Dearborn, the sources said.
Kushner responded to the email by telling Dearborn and the handful of other Trump campaign officials on the email that they should not accept requests from people who pretend to have contacts with foreign officials to aggrandize themselves, according Kushner's lawyer, Abbe Lowell. Dearborn currently serves as a deputy chief of staff in the White House. "Pass on this," Kushner responded, according to a letter Lowell sent to the Senate Judiciary Committee Friday evening. "A lot of people come claiming to carry messages. Very few we are able to verify. For now I think we decline such meetings." |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 11:29:10 PM EST
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Do you even read these shitposts anymore. This is in your own linked article
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Do you even read these shitposts anymore. This is in your own linked article
Kushner rebuffed the request after receiving a lengthy email exchange about it between a West Virginia man and Trump campaign aide Rick Dearborn, the sources said.
Kushner responded to the email by telling Dearborn and the handful of other Trump campaign officials on the email that they should not accept requests from people who pretend to have contacts with foreign officials to aggrandize themselves, according Kushner's lawyer, Abbe Lowell. Dearborn currently serves as a deputy chief of staff in the White House. "Pass on this," Kushner responded, according to a letter Lowell sent to the Senate Judiciary Committee Friday evening. "A lot of people come claiming to carry messages. Very few we are able to verify. For now I think we decline such meetings." 
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Posted: 11/17/2017 11:35:36 PM EST
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kushner-failed-disclose-outreach-putin-ally-trump-campaign-n822021 One source familiar with Kushner's testimony before congressional intelligence committees said he specifically denied, under oath, that he was familiar with any attempts by WikiLeaks to contact the campaign. But, according to the source, Kushner was sent an email by Trump Jr. about his conversations on Twitter with WikiLeaks, which were first disclosed by the Atlantic this week. Kushner forwarded an email about the WikiLeaks conversations to communications director Hope Hicks, the source said. A second source familiar with Kushner's testimony did not dispute that account. I take back that time I equated this debacle with NKVD witch hunts. This makes NKVD political prosecutions look like stellar investigative work. |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 11:40:53 PM EST
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So now we're further down the rabbit hole - from felony tweeting, to not being completely accurate about someone else's felony tweeting? I take back that time I equated this debacle with NKVD witch hunts. This makes NKVD political prosecutions look like stellar investigative work. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kushner-failed-disclose-outreach-putin-ally-trump-campaign-n822021 One source familiar with Kushner's testimony before congressional intelligence committees said he specifically denied, under oath, that he was familiar with any attempts by WikiLeaks to contact the campaign. But, according to the source, Kushner was sent an email by Trump Jr. about his conversations on Twitter with WikiLeaks, which were first disclosed by the Atlantic this week. Kushner forwarded an email about the WikiLeaks conversations to communications director Hope Hicks, the source said. A second source familiar with Kushner's testimony did not dispute that account. I take back that time I equated this debacle with NKVD witch hunts. This makes NKVD political prosecutions look like stellar investigative work. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1001 |
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Posted: 11/18/2017 12:12:24 AM EST
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When this too let's you down, how will you react? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm sure this will be the week that Mueller does his big reveal. I'm sure of it... Maybe next week... 
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Posted: 11/18/2017 12:22:44 AM EST
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Do you even read these shitposts anymore. This is in your own linked article
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Kushner rebuffed the request after receiving a lengthy email exchange about it between a West Virginia man and Trump campaign aide Rick Dearborn, the sources said.
Kushner responded to the email by telling Dearborn and the handful of other Trump campaign officials on the email that they should not accept requests from people who pretend to have contacts with foreign officials to aggrandize themselves, according Kushner's lawyer, Abbe Lowell. Dearborn currently serves as a deputy chief of staff in the White House. "Pass on this," Kushner responded, according to a letter Lowell sent to the Senate Judiciary Committee Friday evening. "A lot of people come claiming to carry messages. Very few we are able to verify. For now I think we decline such meetings."
They didn't say he was innocent, they quoted his responding email, showing he was. |
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