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Posted: 8/6/2022 3:46:55 PM EST
[#1]
20 years ago my wife and I were avid NASCAR fans. Now we don't even turn on the TV for the local race and we live literally within earshot of Bristol Motor Speedway.
Back then Bristol was jam packed with fans and it was all you could do to walk through the supermarkets for the fans and the cases of beer in the aisles. Now it's about the same as any other weekend. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 3:49:15 PM EST
[#2]
Rally racing is more fun.
Real cars Real roads Real fast |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 3:49:34 PM EST
[#3]
NASCAR has been going to shit since Winston left
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Posted: 8/6/2022 3:56:28 PM EST
[#4]
I went to one race. I was at Ft Bragg and a few guys wanted a bunch of us to go to Darlington. In the early '80s, that place was a mad house on race weekend.
I lived about a 10 minute walk to the Indy 500 racetrack. The whole month of May was crazy. We lived on a street that dead ended to the field Tony Hulman owned next to the track. That field was packed with campers the month of May. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 3:56:30 PM EST
[#5]
I live about 20 miles south of Atlanta motor speedway and it’s the same here used to the grocery stores and convenience stores would be bare but not anymore just like any other weekend when the race is in town
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Posted: 8/6/2022 3:58:49 PM EST
[#6]
I remember a story Darrell Waltrip told about when he first started
racing, he was driving for Junior Johnson. He said he asked Junior how he wanted him to drive the car. Junior said "drive it like you stole it" those days are long gone |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 4:05:32 PM EST
[#7]
NASCAR died with number 3.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 4:09:08 PM EST
[#8]
I’m watching the xfinity race right now.
 It’s not bad for Michigan  |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 4:11:02 PM EST
[#9]
What’s a nass-car? Never seen one.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 4:12:16 PM EST
[#10]
Too damned expensive now. Inflation has burned up the discretionary income, those that are going are going via credit cards.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 4:17:53 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's got to be the banks pushing the wokeness. Be woke, or no money for you. It's too bad C Level assholes fall for it across the board. It is. Banks, then major corps, then all the contractors that work for major corps. The danger of a high concentration of wealth and power... |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 4:18:04 PM EST
[#12]
Number 3
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Posted: 8/6/2022 4:19:19 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: NASCAR has been going to shit since Winston left Yep. Has nothing to do with “wokeness”. The product has sucked for a long time. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 4:54:53 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m wondering when the first tranny driver will surface What you mean to say is “When will Dale Jr. one out of the closet?”. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 4:58:16 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. Has nothing to do with “wokeness”. The product has sucked for a long time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: NASCAR has been going to shit since Winston left Yep. Has nothing to do with “wokeness”. The product has sucked for a long time. I think the product is worse with this lame stage racing. I’d still be watching it if they did not go woke. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 5:03:42 PM EST
[#16]
I've been to MIS many times. Not there this weekend, next weekend I'll be here:
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Posted: 8/6/2022 5:06:45 PM EST
[#17]
Damn, I guess driving in circles does get boring after a while.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 5:07:01 PM EST
[#18]
Havent been to one in 15 years.
I remember ther days of it being a zoo. Now, a fender bender generates more traffic |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 5:07:54 PM EST
[#19]
NASCAR ruined the racing. SPEC cars, periods, mandatory cautions and every race other than the road courses the drivers just crash out the field over and over again to win.
The last lap crash fests are the biggest culprit. I want to see clean racing and don't care if everyone has the same car with different stickers. There is NO innovation allowed by the teams because everything is so governed. Basically it has turned into communist racing. Everyone is equal no matter what vs earning the top spot. This is what they get for turning the racing into bullshit. Bring back cars shaped by the car makers that must mirror cars they make. Years ago, the fast back Monte Carlo was a direct result of the need to be more aero on the track. The notched rear window was slowing them down. That kinda thing makes racing interesting for the fans. Commie Racing doesn't work as we can all see. Indy cars are way more fun to watch because they don't want to wreck or touch. They end their races, racing. Indy isn't woke either. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 5:23:11 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m wondering when the first tranny driver will surface Loganos been around for a while. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 5:24:21 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good. Everything woke turns to shit. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 5:25:36 PM EST
[#22]
Never followed it.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 5:28:52 PM EST
[#23]
I used to live about 2 miles from Texas Motor Speedway. It used be an absolute zoo like you said. Back when I was still racing dirt bikes, I would look for a race on any circuit that I could run just to get away. Now you barely notice. I’ve heard rumors of TMS want to get rid of all the stands on the back stretch because of attendance.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 5:49:01 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I will defer to you for living close to the track. Dave Moody had several callers yesterday who said they lived in the area and traffic in general and camping in the infield was up considerably. They were saying they haven't seen this many infield campers in 20 years. YMMV Name an American sport that hasn't gone woke. Cleveland Guardians instead of Indians, Washington Generals instead of Redskins, on and on. Like everything else, you are either a fan or you aren't. Infield may be full, but the outer campgrounds are dead. At least they were this morning when I drove in. Infield wrist bands are sold out. This is my last time. I remember when it was tough to get in. Security was everywhere. They checked everyone's paperwork. Once we almost got kicked out because my buddy put an old hang tag on instead of the new one. I've been here all day, and they can't check me in, because they can't read my e-ticket. And no one gives a shit. I think you could drive in and camp if you wanted to. They moved the Saturday concert to the Infield. So all us poors miss out now. The only reason I'm here now is COVID. I had credit for 2 races in 2020. They cut the June race in '21 and that was the last straw. So I'm using up my credit and I'm done. And Fan of what? It's all been downhill since they introduced the playoff. NASCAR has always had its detractors but the racing used to be about consistency. Not so much anymore. They're living up to the WWE jokes people were making. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 5:53:47 PM EST
[#25]
I thought they were doing great financially and much better overall.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 5:57:36 PM EST
[#26]
NASCAR deserves to die off...its a terrible product now...
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Posted: 8/6/2022 6:01:27 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought they were doing great financially and much better overall. Watch on TV. Stands are empty... They try to hide it but it is obvious. I mean full on empty at some tracks. in the 90's when I lived near Phoenix International Raceway they sold every seat and people sat on the mountain sides around the track to watch. I sat on the hit once, it was fun. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 6:01:47 PM EST
[#28]
What they don't realize is that people watch for the drivers. It's all about the drivers. It isn't about the cars.
Fans pick a favorite driver(s) and that is who they root for. When nobody likes any of the drivers, nobody cares about the sport. There used to be interesting, controversial, alpha type personalities in the sport. Now it is a bunch of whining millennial and woke types nobody gives a shit about anymore. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 6:03:24 PM EST
[#29]
I work for a major OEM Automaker that sponsors/races NASCAR. They sent the entire company a note with discount ticket codes for MIS a few days ago. I have been working there 20+ years and this is the first I have ever seen discount NASCAR tickets offered through our company.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 6:10:15 PM EST
[#30]
When Dale Earnhart died, I realized I was a fan of him, not Nascar, and moved on. His soy boy son just wasn't the same.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 6:17:45 PM EST
[#31]
It was a redneck party.
They tried to make it a woke sport and dispense with both in order to be in the cool kids club. That lasted a few years, then that crew moved on. Too late, nobody cared anymore. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 6:25:45 PM EST
[#32]
Jelle's Marble Runs is more compelling than any auto racing on TV.
 Marble Racing: Marbula One Season 3 ALL RACES I thought Nascar was exciting when I was a kid, but by the time I grew up enough to understand what was going on I was bored with it. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 6:26:30 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What they don't realize is that people watch for the drivers. It's all about the drivers. It isn't about the cars. Fans pick a favorite driver(s) and that is who they root for. When nobody likes any of the drivers, nobody cares about the sport. There used to be interesting, controversial, alpha type personalities in the sport. Now it is a bunch of whining millennial and woke types nobody gives a shit about anymore. NASCAR became popular because it was pro wrasslin on wheels, the business has completely lost its focus. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 6:28:02 PM EST
[#34]
Hasn't been stock car racing in decades. When they run stock displacements (with reasonable overbore) and stock configuration (RWD, FWD, AWD) then I'll consider watching.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 6:37:07 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It sucks now because: - stage racing is lame - cars all look the same and aren't "stock" The woke shit isn't helping. Support your local racetrack |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 6:39:24 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What they don't realize is that people watch for the drivers. It's all about the drivers. It isn't about the cars. Fans pick a favorite driver(s) and that is who they root for. When nobody likes any of the drivers, nobody cares about the sport. There used to be interesting, controversial, alpha type personalities in the sport. Now it is a bunch of whining millennial and woke types nobody gives a shit about anymore. A+ The cars, tracks, and format don't mean a thing if I don't care who wins. Tony Stewart was our guy. Before my gf and I even met we both rooted for Tony so that made it fun for us. When he retired she jumped to Chase and I've spent the last few years just rooting for Chase by default. Trackhouse changed that for me. I like Justin Marks and how he runs the team. I like that Pitbull is part owner. I liked getting in as a fan on the ground floor. I like seeing Ross and Daniel doing well. I like Ross's controversies. I like Project 91. I like all of it, I'm in. IDGAF about NASCAR's wokeness. We go to a few races a year. I don't notice any difference between now and our first in 2016. The company I work for did all the D&I stuff too last year..know what changed in my day to day? Not a thing. But was I supposed to quit over it? |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 6:39:54 PM EST
[#37]
I'm convinced the government is subsidizing NASCAR.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 6:49:50 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They might try to claim the seats are filled but what they won't say is that they took out thousand and thousands of them because they couldn't fill them and that many empty seats didn't look good on television. I agree on that point. Some tracks have taken out the backstretch seating, and in the main grandstands have taken out every other row, added tables with ac plugs and wifi and seats with armrests. I wish TMS would do this. In the late 90s and early 2000s, all they were looking for was a butt in a seat every 18 inches. Greed, the economy, covid, the COT, and wokeness have taken care of that. Also, like baseball, modern society does not have the attention span to focus on something for 3.5 or 4 hours. The casual fan who they make money off of just can't do it. Same with sitting in traffic for three hours trying to get out of the parking lot after drinking a 12 pack doesn't help. 
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Posted: 8/6/2022 7:00:25 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm in this camp. The product just isn't as good as it once was. There are other motorsports venues still out there that haven't changed their product. Support your local racetrack Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It sucks now because: - stage racing is lame - cars all look the same and aren't "stock" The woke shit isn't helping. Support your local racetrack Aren't your local tracks doing the exact same thing with stage racing and don't all the cars in each classification look pretty much the same? Other than a bomber or mini stock class, are there any "stock" cars running at your local track? Take out the glass, gut the interior and put in a safety seat, and install a cage, a five-gallon can for a fuel cell, no motor modifications are about as close to "stock" as you are going to get. Right? |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:30:56 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Aren't your local tracks doing the exact same thing with stage racing and don't all the cars in each classification look pretty much the same? Other than a bomber or mini stock class, are there any "stock" cars running at your local track? Take out the glass, gut the interior and put in a safety seat, and install a cage, a five-gallon can for a fuel cell, no motor modifications are about as close to "stock" as you are going to get. Right? |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:37:02 PM EST
[#41]
I used to watch it. Now I don’t even know anything about it.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:41:12 PM EST
[#42]
Come on down to Wilkesboro
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:42:16 PM EST
[#43]
They sang the Canadian Anthem before the our Anthem. Why the fuck did they do the Canadian Anthem?
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:43:59 PM EST
[#44]
It is almost unpopular enough to become popular again, but not quite.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:47:44 PM EST
[#45]
Get woke, go broke.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:52:20 PM EST
[#46]
I live and work in the area too. When you mentioned the reduced traffic at MIS I had to check the schedule and see if you were talking about this weekend. Yep, it's a race weekend... I'm not a fan so I would have never known. A decade ago, all the campers, motorhomes, and party busses heading to the race let me know it was a race weekend.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:53:13 PM EST
[#47]
Eh. Heading to the next Bristol race. I watch most races. I’m from NC and I still enjoy it. Fuck the leftist. I usually make it to Darlington every year and have yet to see any lack of southern pride despite the “rules”.
They still pray through Jesus and sing the National Anthem every race. That stops and I’m out. |
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Posted: 8/7/2022 7:59:57 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Eh. Heading to the next Bristol race. I watch most races. I’m from NC and I still enjoy it. Fuck the leftist. I usually make it to Darlington every year and have yet to see any lack of southern pride despite the “rules”. They still pray through Jesus and sing the National Anthem every race. That stops and I’m out. Darlington sucks live. The track forces them on the wall on the front stretch. You can’t even see them cross the finish line. |
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Posted: 8/7/2022 8:29:36 AM EST
[#49]
Part of the problem per Tony Stewart (1 minute long):
 Tony Stewart talking about manufacture influence ruining NASCAR |
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Posted: 8/7/2022 8:42:17 AM EST
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