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Posted: 7/17/2017 8:42:48 AM EST
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No. With no desire to become clean and a demonstrated intent to victimize whomever he needs to in order to get his fix I'd tell the cop to put the narcan back in his car. Lots of good questions in this thread but I really liked that one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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lets say he od's and narcan is available to "save" him. Would you be in favor of government sponsored Narcan being administered, by say, a police officer? Lots of good questions in this thread but I really liked that one. I hope your brother has his "Come to Jesus" moment and that it doesn't permanently alter his life for the worse. It took a motorcycle accident at 80mph, bouncing across the ground in a drainage pond, broken collar bone, fractured pelvis, hip socket and vertebrae, about 6 more months and altercation(that I got stabbed in) for my brother to get his shit together. In the end, no amount of talk or action on anyone but the addict's part, is going to make him change. He's gotta want it for himself. Hope you get your little brother back. Feels fucking great when you do. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 8:58:00 AM EST
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No. With no desire to become clean and a demonstrated intent to victimize whomever he needs to in order to get his fix I'd tell the cop to put the narcan back in his car. Lots of good questions in this thread but I really liked that one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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lets say he od's and narcan is available to "save" him. Would you be in favor of government sponsored Narcan being administered, by say, a police officer? Lots of good questions in this thread but I really liked that one. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 9:02:14 AM EST
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I know that people here will disagree with me but in my 12 years of police work I have asked every single person I have arrested for drugs what the first drug they ever used was...99.9% say marijuana. ETA: Sorry for your situation. I hope he gets help if he wants it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did he start out popping pills (legally or illegally) or go straight to the H? I wouldn't say weed was a "gateway" to it. More like the company he kept that often associated with those behaviors. ETA: Sorry for your situation. I hope he gets help if he wants it. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 9:13:25 AM EST
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Yea, the govt is enabling him. Every time he gets busted for stealing or drug possession they toss him back onto the street where he commits all the same crimes again. He needs to get locked up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Someone is enabling his ass, have you had the "come to Jesus " moment with the whole family , |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 9:13:43 AM EST
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Honestly, Sir: Have you ever considered you may have played a role in his demise? I know my older brother was one of my WORST enemies I had as a teen. He hated me and encouraged his jock friends to torment me which crushed my self-esteem, confidence, etc., etc. Little does he know, one of the toughest "pot heads" in my town who I was friends with told me he was going to stomp his fanny,I BEGGED him not to due to me caring for my brother even after ALL the grief he and friends put me thru (even causing me to quit high school due to extreme crap I was put thru). Hopefully you were a better brother. Mine chose his friends and "big shot/jock" image over me. Did you REALLY try to rescue or help him during this crucial teen time? I doubt it, really. You still sound like you have life by the balls why your own brother is suffering fighting his demons. Maybe I am wrong I doubt it though, you sound JUST like MY brother, Sir  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He's skinny. Used to be fit and cut the hell up but when he quit sports... you know the rest. He's still pretty sharp but I've noticed he's really full of shit now, his stories are... BS. Usually designed to drum up support/money. He was an straight A student until his sophomore year. That's when things began a downward trend. I don't know why either, aside from coming from a divorced home he really didn't have a bad family life. Have you ever considered you may have played a role in his demise? I know my older brother was one of my WORST enemies I had as a teen. He hated me and encouraged his jock friends to torment me which crushed my self-esteem, confidence, etc., etc. Little does he know, one of the toughest "pot heads" in my town who I was friends with told me he was going to stomp his fanny,I BEGGED him not to due to me caring for my brother even after ALL the grief he and friends put me thru (even causing me to quit high school due to extreme crap I was put thru). Hopefully you were a better brother. Mine chose his friends and "big shot/jock" image over me. Did you REALLY try to rescue or help him during this crucial teen time? I doubt it, really. You still sound like you have life by the balls why your own brother is suffering fighting his demons. Maybe I am wrong I doubt it though, you sound JUST like MY brother, Sir After the whole ordeal with my brother, my parents and I came to the realization that we don't understand my brother on a fundamental level. Your sentence: "You still sound like you have life by the balls why your own brother is suffering fighting his demons." is more or less what was going on. The 3 of us could not figure out why he was running his life into the ground and refused to change. We're type A, first borns, so not grabbing life by the balls is incomprehensible. My parents and I agree that, between us, we probably did too much for him though. Frankly, he had more tools and options then I or my parents did, he made his choices to throw away the first 5 years of his adult life. You can lead a horse... |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 9:19:38 AM EST
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Seems like the druggies always that the best looking and smart girlfriends - how is your brother doing in that department?
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Posted: 7/17/2017 9:21:47 AM EST
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I lost my brother to heroin a year ago. Don't take it lightly. Try getting him help.
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Posted: 7/17/2017 9:38:29 AM EST
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I feel for you. My nephew has been a pill addict since about 22 or so. The little boy who always wanted to hang out with me is now a 32 YO junkie who looks like Boris Karloff's Frankenstein. He has sunken eyes, waxy, drawn skin, and the dark wormy lips of a hardened druggie. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 9:41:56 AM EST
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Were you raised in a good Christian home ?
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Posted: 7/17/2017 10:16:29 AM EST
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I have dealt with junkies alive and dead for 17 years now. Sorry for your family its a horrible scourge.
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Posted: 7/17/2017 10:37:15 AM EST
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When he started, was it a recreational thing? Just for no reason or was he in some sort of pain?
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Posted: 7/17/2017 11:24:23 AM EST
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Honestly, Sir: Have you ever considered you may have played a role in his demise? I know my older brother was one of my WORST enemies I had as a teen. He hated me and encouraged his jock friends to torment me which crushed my self-esteem, confidence, etc., etc. Little does he know, one of the toughest "pot heads" in my town who I was friends with told me he was going to stomp his fanny,I BEGGED him not to due to me caring for my brother even after ALL the grief he and friends put me thru (even causing me to quit high school due to extreme crap I was put thru). Hopefully you were a better brother. Mine chose his friends and "big shot/jock" image over me. Did you REALLY try to rescue or help him during this crucial teen time? I doubt it, really. You still sound like you have life by the balls why your own brother is suffering fighting his demons. Maybe I am wrong I doubt it though, you sound JUST like MY brother, Sir By all accounts I was a good bigger brother to him, honestly we were similar in a lot of ways. We both loved to play sports, fish, and do normal kid stuff. His downward spiral was fast though and hard to even slow down. He would argue with me and our parents nonstop when we tried to intervene. I tried talking to him myself and giving him perspective from someone a few years older than him but he simply didn't care. He's a stubborn guy and he's morphed into exactly the kind of people we told him to avoid. My stepdad should have beat his ass far more than he did. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 11:27:08 AM EST
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There are people on this board who believe that OP's brother should be executed.
I figure this thread will get some locks and bans. Sorry about you bro OP. My best friend since 1992 ODed and died last fall. He was the most talented person I've every known. Herion fucking sucks. 
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Posted: 7/17/2017 11:37:27 AM EST
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You mentioned the divorce. Did it occur around his sophomore year? Another question, were his friends in sports with him...meaning the people who were smoking weed with him and then getting into the pills? Did they have older brothers/sisters who helped them along maybe? I can't answer the 2nd question but I have a guess. His 2 best friends played sports with him for YEARS, all 3 were inseperabale but never "big" trouble. Kid antics but nothing more. Being his brother I knew they had experimented with pot and would go to house parties on the weekend and hang out with a "mixed" crowd. They eventually had a falling out though, my bro quit the team and decided to start hanging out with those house party friends more. That's when things turned to shit. The family was pissed he didn't want to play sports anymore, his grades began taking an abnormal slump, and he never wanted to be at home. He was always trying to go to " so and so's house" to chill. The more my parents attempted to head the problem off the more radical his behavior got. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 11:40:22 AM EST
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OP, does your brother smoke cigarettes, or use tobacco in another form? He used to talk about how pointless and stupid smoking cigarettes was. Listening to him talk about MJ is like listening to many people justify MJ usage on this site, no offense. He taught me MJ offers a cure for everything but stupidity. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 11:43:03 AM EST
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My step daughter has admitted to being narcan'd 3 times. So, probably more than that. I am NOT in favor of narcan handed out free like candy. I think it should only be administered by professional medically trained individuals. And be billed to the junky. Insurance should not cover it. I found that question tough to answer though. I had to revise my post 3 times before finally submitting it. Ultimately I recognize narcan doesn't rescue people from OD, merely reschedules the persons appt with death. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 11:48:01 AM EST
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Have you accepted that there is a strong possibility he will OD and die? We are seeing so many OD deaths down in south Florida it's crazy. This last week was actually my first rotation in months that I did not investigate an apparent overdose death. We've all gotten better at handling it I think. My brother stealing from everyone really helped push the family into the "enough is enough" category. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 11:50:04 AM EST
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Title is succinct and to the point. He's 22, addicted to heroin and has been for awhile. Figured I would do this thread based off the War on a Drugs themed threads from earlier in the day. I encourage you to ask about his life style, behaviors, etc etc. I've come to grips with it pretty good or I wouldn't have started the thread. Hope you guys are having a good Monday morning. Got pointed out to this thread. My mother was on heroin for a while when I was really really young, for about 4 years or so, jail was the only thing that cleaned her up, good luck op, you are going to need a lot of it. If nothing really happens after a bit of effort don't even bother anymore, cut your losses and move on. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 11:57:26 AM EST
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How much money has he stolen? How much money has he conned the family for? How many times has he said he doesnt have a problem? How many times have the police gotten involved? My nephew died from Heroin. Sorry for situation OP, it's an ugly thing. He maintains to this day he doesn't have a problem all while displaying severe anxiety, sleeplessness, cold tremors etc when he doesn't get his fix. All while keeping his arms covered on 85 degree days because he's cold. It's all a load of shit. I know of 4 arrests 2 of which were felonies but committed at different times. He's always gotten off with community service, restitution, probation or some combination of the above. During his last arrest he was beat to a pulp by 3 cops when he resisted arrest. He was breaking into vehicles drunk and high and passed out inside one of the vehicles. Officers drove by and spotted him. When they woke him up and tried to arrest him, he raged out. NJ doesn't allow for tasers so the cops used good ole fashioned hands and batons. His face was hammered dogshit for 2 weeks. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 11:59:27 AM EST
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Does he think or acknowledge he has a problem? |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 12:01:57 PM EST
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How many times have you been robbed? When I lived in NJ, I had a 200 round battle pack of 5.56 go missing that was stored at my parents house. He stole from our parents all the time though. Anything that wasn't nailed down, really. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 12:07:40 PM EST
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No it's certainly been considered. Most of the family including myself look back with hindsight and play the What If Game. By all accounts I was a good bigger brother to him, honestly we were similar in a lot of ways. We both loved to play sports, fish, and do normal kid stuff. His downward spiral was fast though and hard to even slow down. He would argue with me and our parents nonstop when we tried to intervene. I tried talking to him myself and giving him perspective from someone a few years older than him but he simply didn't care. He's a stubborn guy and he's morphed into exactly the kind of people we told him to avoid. My stepdad should have beat his ass far more than he did. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Honestly, Sir: Have you ever considered you may have played a role in his demise? I know my older brother was one of my WORST enemies I had as a teen. He hated me and encouraged his jock friends to torment me which crushed my self-esteem, confidence, etc., etc. Little does he know, one of the toughest "pot heads" in my town who I was friends with told me he was going to stomp his fanny,I BEGGED him not to due to me caring for my brother even after ALL the grief he and friends put me thru (even causing me to quit high school due to extreme crap I was put thru). Hopefully you were a better brother. Mine chose his friends and "big shot/jock" image over me. Did you REALLY try to rescue or help him during this crucial teen time? I doubt it, really. You still sound like you have life by the balls why your own brother is suffering fighting his demons. Maybe I am wrong I doubt it though, you sound JUST like MY brother, Sir By all accounts I was a good bigger brother to him, honestly we were similar in a lot of ways. We both loved to play sports, fish, and do normal kid stuff. His downward spiral was fast though and hard to even slow down. He would argue with me and our parents nonstop when we tried to intervene. I tried talking to him myself and giving him perspective from someone a few years older than him but he simply didn't care. He's a stubborn guy and he's morphed into exactly the kind of people we told him to avoid. My stepdad should have beat his ass far more than he did. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 12:11:33 PM EST
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Sorry about your brother OP. Couple of questions: 1) What's worse, the drug use itself, of the negative behaviors he engages in to get the drugs (i.e. stealing, begging, lying)? 2) Related, if your brother was able to con a doctor into writing a regular prescription for oxy or fentanyl (instead of buying heroin) would that be better, worse, or make no difference from your standpoint? From a medical standpoint he would be better off getting scripts written for him. Scripts are at least pure, clean and you know the dosage. Street grade H is certainly fucking not. Considering he isn't rich I highly doubt the dope he scores is even "good" in the first place. He also doesn't give a fuck, whatever he can smoke or inject is good to go. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 12:13:41 PM EST
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Sorry to hear it. My brother is a terrible alcoholic.
Does your brother have any creative outlet that he enjoys? Both my brother and the my friend singing in this song are/were addicts. The guy in the song passed away this last spring from an overdose after being clean for some time. He only owned a bike so it would make it harder for him to get to where the drugs were. Sad life to live.  Oak Bones - Livin' A Lie  Oak Bones - Burden |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 12:14:18 PM EST
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I know that people here will disagree with me but in my 12 years of police work I have asked every single person I have arrested for drugs what the first drug they ever used was...99.9% say marijuana. ETA: Sorry for your situation. I hope he gets help if he wants it. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 12:16:35 PM EST
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That's where my seventeen year old Nephew is now. Went from playing JV hockey as a Freshman and Varsity as a Sophomore and Junior to a the above in a year.
He starts rehab today. I hope to God he turns it around. Sorry you're in this position. Stop that fucker now, he goes and stays in rehab until Jesus himself returns to fucking earth. You have a golden chance right now, seize it by the balls. If you don't I can promise you that you'll get to watch a modern day kamikaze crash into your family. If you have to beat his ass than beat it but get him into rehab and fucking keep him there. Also be prepared to draw battle lines in the family for acceptable and unacceptable behavior should the intervention fail. My family fractured very badly over how to deal with this. You need a Plan B and the family will survive if you get on the same page. /rantoff |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 12:20:04 PM EST
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I dont have much to add except a story or two.
My friend's older brother just died 2 mo ago from heroin OD. Apparently he's been addicted for years (30 yrs old, lived at home while she went off to college, did normal things, etc). He was on a better track -> clean-ish, fresh out of rehab, not using H. Waste of space from high school is texting him trying to get him to use with him, "common man, fuck society's standards, do what you want" "just come over and hang out". Well he did, went and OD'd that night, died on the floor. Waste of space waits till the morning when he's definitely dead, sobers up, then calls the ambulance and fakes like he "just found him there". Now i'm not particularly close to that family but I can tell you if I was i'd have a hard time not "encouraging" said waste of space to OD himself My little brother went off the rails for a bit, got kicked out of my parents house and couch surfed. He's still not allowed to stay with my parents but they're putting him up in an apartment way from the people he used to know and have him 0 $$ (pay his bills directly... that's a whole other story). But he told them he tried heroin a few times, thankfully he "didn't like it much". I'm still keeping a close eye on him |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 12:20:41 PM EST
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I disagree, it isn't the govt. responsibility to rehab your brother. We don't have enough money or prisons to hold all the drug addicts in this country. More time in jail will not cure these people, they need to want to change, and most don't. He needs get locked up so less people are victimized by him. He steals and burglarizes anything around him. Cars, sheds, his work, etc etc. He needs jail because he's a fucking criminal. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 12:23:02 PM EST
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How do you feel about president Duterte's method of killing addicts and dealers in the Philippines?
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Posted: 7/17/2017 12:23:25 PM EST
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Seems like the druggies always that the best looking and smart girlfriends - how is your brother doing in that department? Red He did great. Now he's with a junkie that miscarried while using dope with him. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 12:24:04 PM EST
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I lost my brother to heroin a year ago. Don't take it lightly. Try getting him help. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 12:24:23 PM EST
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Sad to see marijuana drag another person down.
It always seems to begin with marijuana even though the druggies on this site will adamantly claim it isn't a gateway drug. Time to crack down again. Sessions can't act fast or harsh enough IMHO. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 12:29:18 PM EST
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Sad to see marijuana drag another person down.
It always seems to begin with marijuana even though the druggies on this site will adamantly claim it isn't a gateway drug. Time to crack down again. Sessions can't act fast or harsh enough IMHO. 
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Posted: 7/17/2017 12:29:31 PM EST
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When he started, was it a recreational thing? Just for no reason or was he in some sort of pain? Stopping a junky is impossible, short of killing them of course. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 12:32:40 PM EST
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Sad to see marijuana drag another person down.
It always seems to begin with marijuana even though the druggies on this site will adamantly claim it isn't a gateway drug. Time to crack down again. Sessions can't act fast or harsh enough IMHO. 
I'm also willing to bet that 99.9% of drug addicts tried alcohol before harder stuff. For some reason alcohol is 'different' though. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 12:34:04 PM EST
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There are people on this board who believe that OP's brother should be executed. I figure this thread will get some locks and bans. Everyone has been pretty friendly this far with many different views shared. I'm somewhat surprised how supportive GD is with the issue and I shouldn't be which is embarrassing. I've seen a lot of compassion from Arfcommers over the years, I know better. I started this thread simply to educate others and hopefully help someone, somewhere recognize the spiral and intervene. I missed the early signals and like cancer... those early stages are crucial. I also don't hit the report button for anything but Share Blue. Sorry about you bro OP. My best friend since 1992 ODed and died last fall. He was the most talented person I've every known. Herion fucking sucks. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 12:36:06 PM EST
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He was good before drugs. He was a blond hair, blue eyed fit kid that played football, baseball and used to love working out. He did great. Now he's with a junkie that miscarried while using dope with him. My niece is in nursing school and she told me they were warned they would see heroin addicted babies within the first few days of starting to learn the ropes at the birthing center. She got the displeasure of dealing with junkie moms on her first day. As a nurse trainee she gets to spend a good bit of time dealing with/babysitting junkies so they don't steal anything in the hospital. Anyway, best of luck OP and I hope your brother sees the light before he loses the fentanyl lottery. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 12:40:30 PM EST
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Got pointed out to this thread. My mother was on heroin for a while when I was really really young, for about 4 years or so, jail was the only thing that cleaned her up, good luck op, you are going to need a lot of it. If nothing really happens after a bit of effort don't even bother anymore, cut your losses and move on. I'm very surprised to hear it was jail that cleaned her up. I have family in 2 different jails in 2 different parts of the US and both state their respective work places have dope available. Are women's prisons different? If you're wiling to share of course. I understand what a personal topic this must be for you as well.
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Posted: 7/17/2017 12:47:13 PM EST
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Sad to see marijuana drag another person down.
It always seems to begin with marijuana even though the druggies on this site will adamantly claim it isn't a gateway drug. Time to crack down again. Sessions can't act fast or harsh enough IMHO. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 12:52:02 PM EST
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How do you feel about president Duterte's method of killing addicts and dealers in the Philippines? The cold blooded part of me recognizes my brothers degeneracy for what it is; absolute destruction of everything for the people within his life. As mentioned earlier in this thread, there is no limit to his behavior. He will victimize friends, family, and total strangers. He steals from people, he robs people, he begs from people than shares his dope and spreads his misery. I often wonder how many people he's intro'd to heroin and the 2nd/3rd order effects of that. I wonder if he's ever shared his dope with someone that consequently OD'd, would that count as killing someone? I harbor a lot of resentment for what he's done but I still love him and hope that one day he hits that rock bottom and crawls out. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 12:55:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryPlease don't feed him.
MJ most certainly did play a part in where he ended up but so did scripts, bad friends and booze. I don't believe there is a binary answer here. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 1:04:50 PM EST
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People who spout "But it's a gateway drug." fail to see the big picture. It's just a drug. Using one does not lead to another, and another. Those same people will swear up and down that MJ is a gateway drug, but caffeine, alcohol and nicotine are not. 
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He did but again, I don't consider it a gateway drug. It's just a drug. Using one does not lead to another, and another. Those same people will swear up and down that MJ is a gateway drug, but caffeine, alcohol and nicotine are not.
Kids are exposed to those three long before they are exposed to illegal drugs, so why aren't they hung with the Gateway Drug tag? sure, smoke some pot with the bros, get wasted, somebody offers something "new" and bam, you are on the next drug because, as my brother said; "the fist high with heroin was absolutely fantastic and was worth chasing" That is the big picture. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 1:07:19 PM EST
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Please don't feed him. MJ most certainly did play a part in where he ended up but so did scripts, bad friends and booze. I don't believe there is a binary answer here. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 1:11:39 PM EST
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I didn't say I want him locked up to rehab him. The prisons are full of dope, he'll come out A hardened criminal. He needs get locked up so less people are victimized by him. He steals and burglarizes anything around him. Cars, sheds, his work, etc etc. He needs jail because he's a fucking criminal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I disagree, it isn't the govt. responsibility to rehab your brother. We don't have enough money or prisons to hold all the drug addicts in this country. More time in jail will not cure these people, they need to want to change, and most don't. He needs get locked up so less people are victimized by him. He steals and burglarizes anything around him. Cars, sheds, his work, etc etc. He needs jail because he's a fucking criminal. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 1:12:44 PM EST
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when or if he decides to get clean, it has to be in a rehab that is outside the state. then he cannot come back to his old hood. he'll start right back up again. I've watched countless junkies, including a family member, go through rehab, get clean, only to go back to their old hood and old friends and old routines and they slide right back into the needle. Best of luck but until he wants to change, nothing will change. You're not wrong cutting him out. Be there for your parents, but give him nothing good luck |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 1:12:56 PM EST
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There are people on this board who believe that OP's brother should be executed. Executed, no. Allowed to experience the full consequences of poor decision-making, yes. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 1:13:32 PM EST
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I'm sorry for you and your family. Making a better effort. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 1:16:05 PM EST
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It's a one way Dead End road. It's been 5 years ago now we found my Nephew dead face down on his bedroom floor. He still had the syringe in his arm. I guess he found himself some really good shit
He left two kids behind. I just built and gifted his son his first AR about 6 months ago. He's now 15. His Dad passed at the ripe old age of 30. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 1:40:23 PM EST
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Please don't feed him. MJ most certainly did play a part in where he ended up but so did scripts, bad friends and booze. I don't believe there is a binary answer here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Please don't feed him.
MJ most certainly did play a part in where he ended up but so did scripts, bad friends and booze. I don't believe there is a binary answer here. It's a choice (and a poor one) to even start, but some people are wired such that it becomes EXTREMELY difficult to stop, whereas a non-addict can become physically dependent, then choose to stop with relative ease. An addict's brain is wired differently, and the unfortunate reality is that you don't really know if your brain is wired that way until you go down that road. Well...he knows. I have never tried heroin. The closest I ever got was being given an IV of dilaudid (Hospital Heroin  ), and it was the most blissful thing I've ever experienced in my life, hands down. In fact, it scared the shit out of me. If I had easy access to heroin and chose to start using it, I'd end up just like your brother inside a year. That's a fact, and it terrifies me. See also: Reasons I stay faaaaaaaar away from that shit. I don't even take prescribed narcotics unless I'm in epic levels of pain (which is almost never), because I like them too much. It's a choice sure, but it's abundantly clear to me that my brain is wired in such a way that I can't "stop" like a normal person can. There are people who have taken prescribed narcotics for years (and a lot of them), and have become physically dependent. After suffering through a week of severe withdrawals, they're done and it requires no effort to stay done. Why? They're not addicts, and they never were.
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I have never tried heroin. The closest I ever got was being given an IV of dilaudid (Hospital Heroin ), and it was the most blissful thing I've ever experienced in my life, hands down. In fact, it scared the shit out of me. If I had easy access to heroin and chose to start using it, I'd end up just like your brother inside a year. That's a fact, and it terrifies me. See also: Reasons I stay faaaaaaaar away from that shit. I don't even take prescribed narcotics unless I'm in epic levels of pain (which is almost never), because I like them too much. |
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