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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:13:41 AM EST
[#1]
Sounds like you need to stack hands and circle back.
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:14:13 AM EST
[#2]
Its why other companies can hand you or others their ass.
Its what made the Japs great. It has its place but some places use it like a religion. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:14:41 AM EST
[#3]
Might need to optimize that process to achieve more synergy
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:15:19 AM EST
[#4]
Clearly, you need a black belt.
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:16:03 AM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Might need to optimize that process to achieve more synergy And if you achieve more synergy, make sure it's aligned! |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:18:05 AM EST
[#6]
Yeah my company did this too. They had a class where you had to read the book. A chapter a week or something. it was connected to the personal development of your bonus.
I didn't have to do it because I'm a consultant.  But yeah, I had trouble figuring out how this got incorporated into daily job duties. Funny but one reason for all the shortages during the lockdown was because lean manufacturing processes caused zero inventory and factories running at max capacity. (We run ours 24/7 even on Christmas.) |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:18:33 AM EST
[#7]
Yeah we used to be big into the Lean, 5S, Kaizen stuff then about 4-5 years ago all that shit fell by the wayside and things haven't really changed. We had some upper management / executive level changes so I am guessing it was related to that.
Less busywork and bullshit to worry about. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:19:12 AM EST
[#8]
Clearly, the LEAN roll-out at your Company was not done correctly, at all.
Tony |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:19:23 AM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And if you achieve more synergy, make sure it's aligned! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Might need to optimize that process to achieve more synergy And if you achieve more synergy, make sure it's aligned! Synergy can be had when you leverage relationships with your partners, ensuring that you directionally correct as you pluck the low hanging fruit. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:20:18 AM EST
[#10]
sounds like another company trying to use process and buzzwords as a substitute for intelligence and competency.
My current employer has done the same with an Agile/Scrum/Kanban word salad for a few years. We were making progress up until a year ago when new projects and new upper management shoved us right back to blind chaos and endlessly dropping everything to chase the latest whim of senior leadership. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:20:23 AM EST
[#11]
Lean was the big thing 15-20 years ago
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:20:33 AM EST
[#12]
My company started with "Lean" in 2003. I'll never forget, they opened up a "Lean forum" where anyone could post any ideas they had about how to make the company more productive.
Also at the same time, the owner decided that part of "Lean" was being healthy, so he forced the cafeteria to switch to wheat buns instead of white. 75% of the posts on the spitball forum were about the buns. It also was the only time in my entire career that I've seen the entire company come together about one thing. We all boycotted the cafe until the buns were gone. The forum went away shortly thereafter as well. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:21:27 AM EST
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To be honest, six sigma will appropriately generate reliable vortals. It will also let you enthusiastically synergize front-end niche markets. While also proving rapidiously architect real-time expertise. This will inturn cause your workforce to dramatically incubate innovative sprints. The benefit of that will be to ungibly innovate multidisciplinary virtualization.
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:22:49 AM EST
[#14]
If you are not in manufacturing or more specifically if you are in a service industry, when you hear the words Lean 6 Sigma, Lean 6 ,6 Sigma or Lean Anyfuckingthing just start looking for a job because before it is all over you will need it. If you hear it from a 32 year old in cotton dockers, boat shoes and a Hitler youth haircut then take vacation time and go find one NOW.
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:23:00 AM EST
[#15]
Why does OP not want to cut waste by having endless meetings to discuss how to cut said waste?...
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:23:03 AM EST
[#16]
Didn’t you have the “black belt” six sigma trainer in to show lean with the Lego demonstration?
We did it a long time ago. We adopted some version of what worked for our manufacturing company. It was a benefit to look at and lean up some areas of production. It did work for us to build some work “cells” in some areas to limit WIP inventory as we did in fact have an issue with workflow and heavy WIP inventory. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:23:45 AM EST
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Not sure if it's a bona-fide system or not, but my wife's company runs lean. They have to justify pretty much every expense, which makes it very hard to add employees. Running a lean staff also makes it easy to spot lazy employees who don't want to carry their weight. Those types don't last very long.
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:24:08 AM EST
[#18]
I'm happy to see other industries than IT plauged with similarly asinine concepts.
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:24:13 AM EST
[#19]
Very typical for companies to go "lean" with no follow through. They cherry pick the parts that they want. Reduce inventory, reduce tooling, stop buying consumables, stop overtime. All things that save money up front.
There is much more to lean than what is typically instituted. It gets half assed by a handful of managers then dropped a few months later for the most part. You need a dedicated, small team to see it through. A plan must be in place prior to starting with realistic goals and check points. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:24:23 AM EST
[#20]
No clue. In my place its usually lots of talk and a big nothing.
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:24:32 AM EST
[#21]
I'm a lean "champion" how can I help you.
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:24:58 AM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why does OP not want to cut waste by having endless meetings to discuss how to cut said waste?... YES. That is literally the only change to my life. We now have a 15 minute call a day. We all work from home. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:25:00 AM EST
[#23]
Your company picked a great time to go lean.
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:25:02 AM EST
[#24]
implementing lean manufacturing during a global supply chain collapse is fucking retarded
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:25:27 AM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Clearly, the LEAN roll-out at your Company was not done correctly, at all. Tony Because it’s all bullshit. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:25:39 AM EST
[#26]
Gov't worker here. It's an utterly stupid system, even more so when applied to gov't agencies where laws and administrative code come into play. Before COVID was a religion for gov't workers, LEAN was. They'd go on about how lean would solve most everything......no, having non-shitty managers would solve more than LEAN.
LEAN did the following
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:26:35 AM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To be honest, six sigma will appropriately generate reliable vortals. It will also let you enthusiastically synergize front-end niche markets. While also proving rapidiously architect real-time expertise. This will inturn cause your workforce to dramatically incubate innovative sprints. The benefit of that will be to ungibly innovate multidisciplinary virtualization. ...and there it is |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:26:39 AM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Clearly, the LEAN roll-out at your Company was not done correctly, at all. Tony We literally had maybe 1-2 hours of training and a couple of follow up calls. We are not a manufacturing company. We don’t make a product at all. The only change we’ve had as mentioned earlier is a 15 minute “daily operating review” call. I have no doubt it wasn’t rolled out correctly. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:27:03 AM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Clearly, you need a black belt. Sounds like he probably actually needs a yellow belt... then he can tell the black belt there's a problem and it can be delegated to a green belt to fix. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:27:23 AM EST
[#30]
It's like our daily scrum meetings and how we tell people we follow scrum, but there is nothing scrum-like about our development process at all. (If anything, our development process is best defined as anarchy.)
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:27:31 AM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like you need to stack hands and circle back. I've never worked in an office, but if someone said that to me I would have to reply with "What the fuck does that mean?" |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:27:46 AM EST
[#32]
The Army tried that years ago.
It didn’t work. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:28:03 AM EST
[#33]
I actually really like 5S for workspaces that are used by multiple shifts/different people.
Not the gay ass tape on your desk for where your keyboard and coffee mug goes, but actual organization and standardization. At least your company doesn't spout EXTREME OWNERSHIP slogans at every opportunity that don't make any fucking sense. ETA: while losing millions of dollars every month. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:28:14 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Clearly, you need a black belt. And at least 6 sigmas, no less |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:29:10 AM EST
[#35]
These types of programs, ime, are usually brought in because someone in upper management has a son in law that works for one of the companies that sell them. Ends up being a hybrid system where middle management disregards it when it’s not something they want “leaned” but drastically cut back things for the workers below them.
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:30:08 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm happy to see other industries than IT plauged with similarly asinine concepts. Don't mind me, I'll be out back cussing at waterfalls... |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:30:20 AM EST
[#37]
I worked for a big company 1996-2002 that supposedly implemented it. Meetings and all that for us low level guys ( machinists etc ). In the end I dont see the point in involving the worker bees. We were supposed to do our job as laid out by management. Management is who should make the changes structurally. But it sounded cool and apparently justified peoples jobs, so I suspect that was the true reason for it......
I never noticed an actual change, just fancy new words. Not that I am against it, but it has its flaws and only seems to work in a well developed and implemented system, with suppliers etc also involved. It is detrimental if everything isnt under tight control. In this current world is anything under control? ( the answer is no ) |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:30:33 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Clearly, the LEAN roll-out at your Company was not done correctly, at all. Tony It works so good we have millions of dollars in products sitting on a floor unable to move due to no parts because we had to get them “just in time”. We are not talking about one time use parts either as I could understand those. Also nothing better than having to source parts that are not available due to the first part being unavailable. It’s a waste of time |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:32:45 AM EST
[#39]
I did LSS shit years ago, also in an office environment. I annoyed everybody by constantly saying, "Man, this would've been a useful thing when I worked in a factory in college."
But it was the shiny thing the DoD wanted on all contracts until PMPs became the new shiny thing. My favorite was when the instructor talked about some factory tracking people's motions to place tools closer to their workstations and did we have ideas like that and we all said, "we sit at desks and email things." |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:33:51 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It works so good we have millions of dollars in products sitting on a floor unable to move due to no parts because we had to get them “just in time”. We are not talking about one time use parts either as I could understand those. Also nothing better than having to source parts that are not available due to the first part being unavailable. It’s a waste of time Pretty sure you haven't revisited your process like you're supposed to... |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:34:58 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure you haven't revisited your process like you're supposed to... That’s not my job we have a whole team of “lean” experts who are employed at the facility who’s job it is to revisit the process. In another year I’ll be out of the industry and at that point it really won’t be my issue lol. I should say we had a whole team they axed them last year due to the pandemic I guess they felt they were not needed. The decent employees got offered other positions so that they could continue to do lean in addition to the new position offered At one point they had a inventory specialist that got rid of safety stock on just about everything because it made their numbers look good. If we had that safety stock now we wouldn’t have product sitting on the floor |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:35:24 AM EST
[#42]
Lean is only as good as the business executives…
Sadly many executives want it but they don’t want to learn it…they hire lean certified people but they have no direction from the executives on what true lean measures need to happen. They just always say. Cut cost and improve profits (which lean is so much more than just those two aspects). Then the lean professionals do bean counting which really gets counter productive. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:36:35 AM EST
[#43]
Quoted: supervisors don't seem to give a shit about it, and you only hear upper management really reference it. If you don't know what lean is, it's this system that was primarily intended for manufacturing processesmy company isn't even a manufacturing company whatsoever which makes it even more inane. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:37:38 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: implementing lean manufacturing during a global supply chain collapse is fucking BRILLIANT  |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:38:42 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s not my job we have a whole team of “lean” experts who are employed at the facility who’s job it is to revisit the process. In another year I’ll be out of the industry and at that point it really won’t be my issue lol At one point they had a inventory specialist that got rid of safety stock on just about everything because it made their numbers look good. If we had that safety stock now we wouldn’t have product sitting on the floor Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Pretty sure you haven't revisited your process like you're supposed to... That’s not my job we have a whole team of “lean” experts who are employed at the facility who’s job it is to revisit the process. In another year I’ll be out of the industry and at that point it really won’t be my issue lol At one point they had a inventory specialist that got rid of safety stock on just about everything because it made their numbers look good. If we had that safety stock now we wouldn’t have product sitting on the floor I found the problem. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:38:48 AM EST
[#46]
I remember all the talk of "paperless" manufacturing
Now, reams of it gets run through the printers every day... |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:39:03 AM EST
[#47]
We don't use that system that I know of but every so often we'll hear about some new kind of corporate buzzword bullshit.
I work for a huge company. Facilities around the world. Something like $40B. We have our regular stuff we sell that the mfg plants crank out. I work in the prototype shop so it's not uncommon for us to build one thing then scrap it next year. Manufacturing principles don't work when you're building just one of a new design but that doesn't stop them from trying. We'll have a meeting in the shop about it...and then nobody does anything different and life goes on. You want this shit built? Then get out of the way. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:41:00 AM EST
[#48]
Andersen Consulting, now called Accenture, was into that nonsense when I worked there in the '90s.
Their corporate language is rife with acronyms that only the most senior people understand. Junior people learn to just smile and nod. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:44:56 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I found the problem. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Pretty sure you haven't revisited your process like you're supposed to... That’s not my job we have a whole team of “lean” experts who are employed at the facility who’s job it is to revisit the process. In another year I’ll be out of the industry and at that point it really won’t be my issue lol At one point they had a inventory specialist that got rid of safety stock on just about everything because it made their numbers look good. If we had that safety stock now we wouldn’t have product sitting on the floor I found the problem.  EVERYONE has to buy into the process.Of course the "you" in question was the company not the individual. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:45:59 AM EST
[#50]
Wait until they begin PLM, which is the exact opposite of LEAN. LEAN is just temporary, PLM is forever, like an unkillable virus.
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