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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:43:40 PM EDT
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Quoted: I'm going to try and keep this brief. I met with the IRS at the local office yesterday due to problems with previous tax returns. The lady told me there is no record of me ever working there. The company never sent them my W-2s. It got flagged when I became a supervisor and the federal withholding I claimed was much higher. It appears they were pocketing the money they were taking out of my check for 7 years. They are/were being investigated for PPP loan fraud by IRS criminal investigation division/FBI I have called the IRS, FTC, social security, US department of labor, labor attorneys and they're all telling me to call someone else. Labor attorney is going to review and get back to me. This is happening to or has happened to multiple people that have worked for the company in the past. Idk what to do or who to call. This feels fucking awful. Help Did you happen to save the paper copy W2 they created/sent you? |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:44:19 PM EDT
[#2]
Ouch.
How was this not somehow caught with your yearly tax filing? |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:44:39 PM EDT
[#3]
Consulting with a labor attorney sounds like a reasonable course of action.
You might also want to talk to a tax accountant - Specifically an "Enrolled Agent" of the IRS. Good luck. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:45:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ouch. How was this not somehow caught with your yearly tax filing? |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:46:12 PM EDT
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Don't you have any copies of your W2's or at least the tax returns?
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:46:13 PM EDT
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Check with your local unemployment agency to see if they were at least paying unemployment insurance on you.
Not a great help, but it could be an easy next step to take and could the unemployment agency could start an investigation. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:46:23 PM EDT
[#7]
Good luck and free bump.
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:46:37 PM EDT
[#8]
Interesting.
How big was the company? |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:47:39 PM EDT
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Unfortunately spending your own money on legal counsel is probably going to be your only way to go and the quickest path to a resolution. The .Gov isn’t interested in helping. May want to consult a tax attorney as well or see if the labor attorney has one at his firm.
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:48:57 PM EDT
[#10]
It sounds like your employer is the one in trouble.
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:49:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you happen to save the paper copy W2 they created/sent you? I have some of them. They are most likely buried in a storage unit in Idaho. I did file with H&R Block for a few years so they will have copies. Problem is the woman said it doesn't matter. They have no record from the company. They can see I filed dating back to 2013 but there were no tax transcripts sent to them from the employer. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:50:11 PM EDT
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Did they fraudulently print out fake withholdings when they gave your your pay stub? Or, in they 7 years you worked there did you just not pay attention to those sorts of things? Either way, lawyers are going to have to sort out this mess....good luck my friend.
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:50:26 PM EDT
[#13]
Does he have a hot wife?
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:50:34 PM EDT
[#14]
Get a lawyer...now.
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:51:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ouch. How was this not somehow caught with your yearly tax filing? She said their system didn't flag it until my return was going to be over $1000. She was just as shocked as I was. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:51:43 PM EDT
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Quoted: I'm going to try and keep this brief. I met with the IRS at the local office yesterday due to problems with previous tax returns. The lady told me there is no record of me ever working there. The company never sent them my W-2s. It got flagged when I became a supervisor and the federal withholding I claimed was much higher. It appears they were pocketing the money they were taking out of my check for 7 years. They are/were being investigated for PPP loan fraud by IRS criminal investigation division/FBI I have called the IRS, FTC, social security, US department of labor, labor attorneys and they're all telling me to call someone else. Labor attorney is going to review and get back to me. This is happening to or has happened to multiple people that have worked for the company in the past. Idk what to do or who to call. This feels fucking awful. Help How did you file tax returns without a W-2? Also, if they were withholding payroll taxes, and not sending them to the IRS, you may still be liable for the uncollected amounts, but even, then you should of been filing annual tax returns with a W-2, and the IRS should've kicked back at some point a notice, that they had not received payment. You need a Tax Attorney. You probably will need to get a settlement with the IRS to pay back the withholding your are missing, and you will need to go after your former employer for the money they stole. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:51:46 PM EDT
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Do a cost benefit if lawyer + collection attempts of shady company vs settling with IRS.
If you’re low income the IRS will almost certainly settle for sub $1000. If you’re financially solvent speak to accountant/tax lawyer about the best overall outcome. Again simply winning a lawsuit doesn’t mean anything. Collection is usually the bitch |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:52:18 PM EDT
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Aw shit. This sounds similar to what happened to me at my former employer, but on a slightly different level.
They were taking 401k contributions out of our checks, but weren't making the deposits (ours or the company match) with our 401k administrator. This went on for about 6 months with multiple promises to address the issue(s). A group of us filed a complaint with the Texas Workforce Commission and with the (state's) AG office when it looked like our company was going to continue to fuck us over. I think someone even pursued a complaint with the US department of labor. About a month after formally pursuing the complaints, we began to see deposits roll into our accounts. I don't know what .gov agency did what, but we ended up getting all our funds deposited and all the accounts squared up in 2 or 3 months. Shortly afterwards, the company temporarily suspended the 401k program. That eventually led to a permanent dissolution. I got laid off from there about 6 months later. Go figure 
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:52:34 PM EDT
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Not ragging the OP at all. Sorry you’re going through this.
But it’s a good reminder for everyone to create an account and check your social security account statement every year. The fact nothing was reported to SS would have been discovered the first year. They used to mail them but stopped several years ago. And I’ll bet many don’t bother to check them anymore. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:53:11 PM EDT
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Sounds like fake W2s. They kept money. But you filed so there should have been some type of red flag in those years with the IRS
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:53:15 PM EDT
[#21]
They fixed the glitch.
Also: Sorry OP, hope it all works out! |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:53:44 PM EDT
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If you were never officially employed, it sounds to me like the IRS owes you seven years of back taxes, and the state owes you a whole bunch of unemployment compensation....
I'm just kidding. Do NOT take me seriously. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:54:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did they fraudulently print out fake withholdings when they gave your your pay stub? Or, in they 7 years you worked there did you just not pay attention to those sorts of things? Either way, lawyers are going to have to sort out this mess....good luck my friend. I have 5 check stubs from 2021 with federal withholding and social security from them A lot of stuff I had got lost or misplaced during my last move |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:54:29 PM EDT
[#24]
Your angus. Pepper it.
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:55:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aw shit. This sounds similar to what happened to me at my former employer, but on a slightly different level. They were taking 401k contributions out of our checks, but weren't making the deposits (ours or the company match) with our 401k administrator. This went on for about 6 months with multiple promises to address the issue(s). A group of us filed a complaint with the Texas Workforce Commission and with the (state's) AG office when it looked like our company was going to continue to fuck us over. I think someone even pursued a complaint with the US department of labor. About a month after formally pursuing the complaints, we began to see deposits roll into our accounts. I don't know what .gov agency did what, but we ended up getting all our funds deposited and all the accounts squared up in 2 or 3 months. Shortly afterwards, the company temporarily suspended the 401k program. That eventually led to a permanent dissolution. I got laid off from there about 6 months later. Go figure Yeah, that happened to Samuel L Jackson if I remember correctly...or something like that.... |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:58:00 PM EDT
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That's one of the few things the owners / officers of the company can be held personally liable for.
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:58:18 PM EDT
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If they weren't paying the IRS, then they probably weren't paying SS, unemployment, and maybe even state/local taxes. All of whom will come knocking once they figure it out.
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:58:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unfortunately spending your own money on legal counsel is probably going to be your only way to go and the quickest path to a resolution. The .Gov isn’t interested in helping. May want to consult a tax attorney as well or see if the labor attorney has one at his firm. This. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:58:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have some of them. They are most likely buried in a storage unit in Idaho. I did file with H&R Block for a few years so they will have copies. Problem is the woman said it doesn't matter. They have no record from the company. They can see I filed dating back to 2013 but there were no tax transcripts sent to them from the employer. Your state has a labor division. Call them too. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:59:33 PM EDT
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There is a tax attorney who used to work at the IRS and at least one CPA who answer questions at https://www.thelaw.com/forums/. They can give you an idea of what to expect going forward.
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Posted: 1/25/2023 5:59:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How did you file tax returns without a W-2? Also, if they were withholding payroll taxes, and not sending them to the IRS, you may still be liable for the uncollected amounts, but even, then you should of been filing annual tax returns with a W-2, and the IRS should've kicked back at some point a notice, that they had not received payment. You need a Tax Attorney. You probably will need to get a settlement with the IRS to pay back the withholding your are missing, and you will need to go after your former employer for the money they stole. They would hand out W2s yearly and I would file either turbo tax or H&R Block. As far as I know I don't owe the IRS anything. I never made anything more than $40,000/ year with this company |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 6:00:11 PM EDT
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I had this happen to me years ago working for a consulting firm out in Commiefornia. Principle of the firm had a gambling problem and left the country with our 401k and Federal Tax funds for a year. As one of the original handful of "employees" before we got really big (160 employees in 6 countries) the IRS considered me a corporate "partner" and came after us for an equal share of ALL the missing tax revenue. It was eventually settled to where every employee (me included) would be liable only for their own salary tax bill. Of course, by the time this was all settled we no longer lived in Commiefornia, years had passed and now there were penalties and interest out the wazzzoooooo. My bill ended up being over $80k and led to the IRS garnishing my wages ... and I mean ALL my wages ... until it was paid. They didn't even leave us enough to pay our bills or even eat. So much for the gentler kinder IRS. Yeah, right. Right up the azz and they used sand.
 I can't stress this enough. Get ... a ... tax ... attorney ... that knows what the hell they're doing. And be prepared to be azz raped by a 900 # gorilla. 
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Posted: 1/25/2023 6:00:34 PM EDT
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OP - what is it youre trying to accomplish exactly? if its to get a refund of income taxes you'd be owed if he had paid over what was withheld to IRS you need a tax lawyer or CPA. not an enrolled agent and not a labor lawyer. but youre likely shit outta luck.
credit for FICA is another matter, but you still need the same type of professional help. this shit happens a lot. its a surprise it went on for 7 years but it happens every day and the IRS sees it every day. maybe not the particular agent you talked to but its common. some employers are crooks and some are struggling to get by and for the latter not paying payroll withholdings is often the first thing they do when theyre strapped for cash. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 6:00:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have 5 check stubs from 2021 with federal withholding and social security from them A lot of stuff I had got lost or misplaced during my last move That might be a sore point with the fed.gov. You need to save all that paper for years. Good luck! |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 6:01:02 PM EDT
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Was the last 7 years of your pay just straight pay or a combination of pay, OT and bonuses? Either way, sounds like a lawyer with expertise in financial forensics will be needed and paid for by the employer.
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Posted: 1/25/2023 6:02:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your angus. Pepper it.  |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 6:02:42 PM EDT
[#37]
Quoted: This is happening to or has happened to multiple people that have worked for the company in the past. I don't have an answer but being they are others and a if all involved get the same lawyer, I would think suit against employer would do something. About a decade and half ago I had a few friends in a very similar situation. The only difference was, they knew the employer was doing it from day one and they never filed taxes themselves each year. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 6:02:57 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not ragging the OP at all. Sorry you're going through this. But it's a good reminder for everyone to create an account and check your social security account statement every year. The fact nothing was reported to SS would have been discovered the first year. They used to mail them but stopped several years ago. And I'll bet many don't bother to check them anymore. This is what the woman from the IRS told me My dad worked for the same company for 20 years and ran into a problem with Social security when he retired. Eventually they pushed it through and paid my pops $15,000 in back pay. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 6:03:08 PM EDT
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Even if you're late sending in your weekly tax payments by a couple of days on eftps, they stick it to you.
I'm sure they'll just settle for $30k or something like that after they make a donation to the DNC. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 6:09:12 PM EDT
[#40]
If I'm reading this right, the company nave gave the irs the money they withheld from you. Get ready to write the IRS a check! Gonna have to go after the company to get your money back from them. Good luck
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Posted: 1/25/2023 6:09:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP - what is it youre trying to accomplish exactly? if its to get a refund of income taxes you'd be owed if he had paid over what was withheld to IRS you need a tax lawyer or CPA. not an enrolled agent and not a labor lawyer. but youre likely shit outta luck. credit for FICA is another matter, but you still need the same type of professional help. this shit happens a lot. its a surprise it went on for 7 years but it happens every day and the IRS sees it every day. maybe not the particular agent you talked to but its common. some employers are crooks and some are struggling to get by and for the latter not paying payroll withholdings is often the first thing they do when theyre strapped for cash. I'm not worried about a return. I want my tax information sent to the irs for all the years I paid federal withholding and all the social security I paid into. I'd also like to see my former employer (husband and wife) to rot in federally prison for the rest of their lives. Sue for damages if possible but that's not as important to me. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 6:10:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They would hand out W2s yearly and I would file either turbo tax or H&R Block. As far as I know I don't owe the IRS anything. I never made anything more than $40,000/ year with this company Did you get tax returns back? Might owe them that? |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 6:10:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I'm reading this right, the company nave gave the irs the money they withheld from you. Get ready to write the IRS a check! Gonna have to go after the company to get your money back from them. Good luck There's no record I ever worked there. eta: They received nothing from the company regarding me. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 6:11:29 PM EDT
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I wouldn't worry about it. You've been filing for those seven years so you've committed no crime. It's your former employer that the IRS Criminal Division love putting people behind bars and not you.
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Posted: 1/25/2023 6:12:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have some of them. They are most likely buried in a storage unit in Idaho. I did file with H&R Block for a few years so they will have copies. Problem is the woman said it doesn't matter. They have no record from the company. They can see I filed dating back to 2013 but there were no tax transcripts sent to them from the employer. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Did you happen to save the paper copy W2 they created/sent you? I have some of them. They are most likely buried in a storage unit in Idaho. I did file with H&R Block for a few years so they will have copies. Problem is the woman said it doesn't matter. They have no record from the company. They can see I filed dating back to 2013 but there were no tax transcripts sent to them from the employer. If your company sent you fraudulent W-2s (they withheld your federal taxes but didn't sent them in to IRS - then they are on the hook for tax fraud & other federal issues. I'd send a certified letter to their legal & payroll department(s) stating that their lack of tax transcripts sent to the IRS are now giving you IRS issues for the reasons described, and demand a written response (ideally with copies of the tax transcripts showing your withholding forwarded to the IRS for those years). |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 6:12:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you get tax returns back? Might owe them that? Yes. Each year i don't owe them anything. I have no clue what the fuck is going on |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 6:13:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not worried about a return. I want my tax information sent to the irs for all the years I paid federal withholding and all the social security I paid into. I'd also like to see my former employer (husband and wife) to rot in federally prison for the rest of their lives. Sue for damages if possible but that's not as important to me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: OP - what is it youre trying to accomplish exactly? if its to get a refund of income taxes you'd be owed if he had paid over what was withheld to IRS you need a tax lawyer or CPA. not an enrolled agent and not a labor lawyer. but youre likely shit outta luck. credit for FICA is another matter, but you still need the same type of professional help. this shit happens a lot. its a surprise it went on for 7 years but it happens every day and the IRS sees it every day. maybe not the particular agent you talked to but its common. some employers are crooks and some are struggling to get by and for the latter not paying payroll withholdings is often the first thing they do when theyre strapped for cash. I'm not worried about a return. I want my tax information sent to the irs for all the years I paid federal withholding and all the social security I paid into. I'd also like to see my former employer (husband and wife) to rot in federally prison for the rest of their lives. Sue for damages if possible but that's not as important to me. https://www.justice.gov/tax/employment-tax-enforcement-0 |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 6:13:56 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They would hand out W2s yearly and I would file either turbo tax or H&R Block. As far as I know I don't owe the IRS anything. I never made anything more than $40,000/ year with this company Did they file your Social Security and Medicare Tax? |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 6:14:10 PM EDT
[#49]
You need a tax attorney. You should be able to pull up all of your returns through h&r block.
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Posted: 1/25/2023 6:16:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did they file your Social Security and Medicare Tax? The lady at the IRS said if we don't have the information, social security wouldn't either. I confirmed that with SS |
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