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Posted: 9/2/2017 2:59:18 PM EDT
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Ok.
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Posted: 9/2/2017 3:00:38 PM EDT
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you won't see anyone complaining about stomach pumps saving people from alcohol
But Sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 3:04:11 PM EDT
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you won't see anyone complaining about stomach pumps saving people from alcohol |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 3:05:50 PM EDT
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2nd and 3rd chance to get clean?
you mean 2nd or 3rd chance to get back out there and find that OD dope |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 3:06:13 PM EDT
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2nd, 3rd?
Try 5 + |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 3:06:27 PM EDT
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If it's on my dime, you're damn straight I'll complain about it. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 3:06:28 PM EDT
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you won't see anyone complaining about stomach pumps saving people from alcohol But Sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death I don't see anyone demanding airlines start carrying stomach pump equipment on board to deal with drunk losers. Likewise, I don't see anyone demanding Uber drivers do the same. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 3:09:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/2/2017 3:10:34 PM EDT
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I don't see anyone intentionally getting alcohol poisoning because they want a stomach pump. I don't see anyone demanding airlines start carrying stomach pump equipment on board to deal with drunk losers. Likewise, I don't see anyone demanding Uber drivers do the same. What would happen to an Uber driver who did not take an unconscious alcohol overdose victim to the ER? Or to the airline pilot who did not make an emergency landing in that case? |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 3:17:22 PM EDT
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Ideologically, I disagree with using Narcam. As a fire fighter, I am charged with and enjoy saving people. Two worlds collide and all that.
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Posted: 9/2/2017 3:19:52 PM EDT
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Because it is a large piece of medical equipment and not a little bottle of nasal spray. What would happen to an Uber driver who did not take an unconscious alcohol overdose victim to the ER? Or to the airline pilot who did not make an emergency landing in that case? |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 3:21:13 PM EDT
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Stop telling others they need to be equipped with the shit needed to prevent losers from Darwining themselves. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 3:22:12 PM EDT
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I don't get the deal at all. They had a chance to say no before the first try. What do you see before becomming an addict that makes you think "this will be great to try", when everyone on the shit is washed up at 25, if not dead.
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Posted: 9/2/2017 3:22:23 PM EDT
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Ideologically, I disagree with using Narcam. As a fire fighter, I am charged with and enjoy saving people. Two worlds collide and all that. Seen it a bunch of times! 
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Posted: 9/2/2017 3:22:48 PM EDT
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Insulin saves fatties from dieting.
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Posted: 9/2/2017 3:23:45 PM EDT
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Maybe you could show where I said that, or stop putting words in my mouth Narcan is just the latest entitlement to pander to degenerates. Municipalities will be mandating it be hung on the walls next to the AEDs before too long. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 3:24:01 PM EDT
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It has been my experience that if narcan isn't used the person is very unlikely to use again. How much cleaner can you get?
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Posted: 9/2/2017 3:26:42 PM EDT
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2nd, 3rd? Try 5 + |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 3:28:16 PM EDT
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Local ambulance has narcan'd the same person 6 times in one week. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 3:30:55 PM EDT
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Ever had folks you've administered it too come unglued, pissed and wanna fight 'cause you killed their high? Seen it a bunch of times! "It's my choice!" - shitbag druggie Personally, I'd be fine with them living with the consequences of their choice versus us wasting time and money that could be better spent on legitimate patients. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 3:31:12 PM EDT
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Local ambulance has narcan'd the same person 6 times in one week.
And the next due rescue has a longer response time! 
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Posted: 9/2/2017 3:32:33 PM EDT
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Just had this happen Tuesday. Took 5 RN and Paramedics to hold shitbag down until we could K-hole and restrain him. He managed to spit in the face of one of the paramedics too. The worthless fuck was demanding to be AMA'ed hours later so he could find more drugs. "It's my choice!" - shitbag druggie Personally, I'd be fine with them living with the consequences of their choice versus us wasting time and money that could be better spent on legitimate patients.
But hey! We'll make this shit available at the local CVS pharmacy! Let the average layperson sitting next to the junky on the couch get their ass beat for awhile! 
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Posted: 9/2/2017 3:36:00 PM EDT
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It should be the most expensive product in the world so that no one can afford it, not even gov't, LEOs, EMS, fire, etc can afford it so that the problem can fix itself.
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Posted: 9/2/2017 3:46:04 PM EDT
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you say nobody thats every been narcaned has stayed clean? I call bullshit
the .gov wants to throw billions at people that wont stay clean?? |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 3:48:36 PM EDT
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http://faithit.com/dance-with-devil-heroin-courta-nicole/?utm_content=buffer05fcf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer LOL! It's the 20th and 30th chances that are concerning... |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 3:50:39 PM EDT
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LOL! It's the 20th and 30th chances that are concerning... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://faithit.com/dance-with-devil-heroin-courta-nicole/?utm_content=buffer05fcf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer LOL! It's the 20th and 30th chances that are concerning... |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 3:52:47 PM EDT
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Insulin saves fatties from dieting. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 3:58:25 PM EDT
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Is pumping someone's stomach causing local government to go bankrupt?
Narcan is getting very expensive for small communities that are dealing with the Heroin problem. Other costs associated with heroin are becoming a problem as well.. Ambulance Trained individuals to go from call to call The dispatcher First responders Of course, this all takes TIME..which can never be replaced. Once it's gone, it's gone. Not to mention other calls that go unanswered or are delayed because of heroin. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 3:59:00 PM EDT
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Insulin saves fatties from dieting. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 3:59:35 PM EDT
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Insulin saves fatties from dieting. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:07:31 PM EDT
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you won't see anyone complaining about stomach pumps saving people from alcohol But Sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:08:18 PM EDT
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Is pumping someone's stomach causing local government to go bankrupt? Narcan is getting very expensive for small communities that are dealing with the Heroin problem. Other costs associated with heroin are becoming a problem as well.. Ambulance Trained individuals to go from call to call The dispatcher First responders Of course, this all takes TIME..which can never be replaced. Once it's gone, it's gone. Not to mention other calls that go unanswered or are delayed because of heroin. We take drunks to detox or the tank |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:08:25 PM EDT
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How many cops are being told they have to give insulin to fat people? |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:11:52 PM EDT
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Fatties require more medical calls and ambulance rides than junkies. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:17:46 PM EDT
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The big break will come when that same rescue is on another call or transporting someone else to the ER!
And the next due rescue has a longer response time! |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:20:13 PM EDT
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you say nobody thats every been narcaned has stayed clean? I call bullshit the .gov wants to throw billions at people that wont stay clean?? Have you dealt with the government at all? |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:23:43 PM EDT
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so lets not save somebody that we know we can save, who might be able to rebound and live as a productive member of society We take drunks to detox or the tank If a local church wants to fund near an runs..then by all means...if we are going to crush local communities with the cost..then no thanks. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:24:28 PM EDT
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Fatties require more medical calls and ambulance rides than junkies. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:25:16 PM EDT
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What if I don't want them to have a second or third chance?
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:25:26 PM EDT
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...and it literally bankrupting thousands of small and medium EMS budgets as they give addicts their 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th..... dose in the span of 6 months.
If you want to die that badly - then die. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:27:28 PM EDT
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Pretty sure all the holy people died, too. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:27:41 PM EDT
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Ever had folks you've administered it too come unglued, pissed and wanna fight 'cause you killed their high? Seen it a bunch of times! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ideologically, I disagree with using Narcam. As a fire fighter, I am charged with and enjoy saving people. Two worlds collide and all that. Seen it a bunch of times! |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:28:56 PM EDT
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You're forgetting the 3 or 4 rehabs we're sending them to at a non-refundable $1000 a day in order to avoid incarcerating them
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:29:04 PM EDT
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...and it literally bankrupting thousands of small and medium EMS budgets as they give addicts their 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th..... dose in the span of 6 months. If you want to die that badly - then die. In my area it isn't unusual for a squad to respond to 5 or 6 ODs a day... that adds up fast. Agency right where I live had to run a squad 2 years past scheduled replacement... junkies were using up so much narcan that the budget to replace the squad was going into their useless fucking noses/veins. So increased taxes to cover the drug cost... or less services as the FDs are forced to spend more and more money and time 'saving' those who are showing their asses to Darwin. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:31:04 PM EDT
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Because it is a large piece of medical equipment and not a little bottle of nasal spray. What would happen to an Uber driver who did not take an unconscious alcohol overdose victim to the ER? Or to the airline pilot who did not make an emergency landing in that case? |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:31:13 PM EDT
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That's not what anyone has said. Have you dealt with the government at all? so who lives and who dies...how many narcans are ok?? |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:35:42 PM EDT
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If it's so convenient, the druggies should just get their own. Druggies know to use it, if someone goes stiff and starts falling over Narcan is like Amazon Prime for repeat customers of CIA imported afgan heroin and that's why the government is not going to stop it I have met people on their 2nd chance out soul winning. In these cases Narcan is letting them hear the gospel. The government means it for evil but God can use it for good. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:37:49 PM EDT
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Ain't that the truth... FDs/EMS agencies have to buy their drugs (at least in my area) from 'approved vendors'.... guess what? Narcan ain't $20 like it is over the counter at CVS for the FD... if they're lucky they only spend $75 on it.... and then the junkie never has insurance and doesn't pay the bill (if they get sent one) so the community suffers as the agency is forced to eat that drug cost in their budget. Not to mention that with the synthetics coming through (fentanyl and such) those same dead junkies now need multiple doses... the 2mg nasal doesn't cut it anymore on a large portion of ODs... 8mg isn't uncommon, so figure $300 for that one OD in narcan alone. I've seen some that have required more than 20mg to come up enough to breathe on their own ($1500+)... then the hospital bills with IV narcan drips to keep em alive until the drugs metabolize out. In my area it isn't unusual for a squad to respond to 5 or 6 ODs a day... that adds up fast. Agency right where I live had to run a squad 2 years past scheduled replacement... junkies were using up so much narcan that the budget to replace the squad was going into their useless fucking noses/veins. So increased taxes to cover the drug cost... or less services as the FDs are forced to spend more and more money and time 'saving' those who are showing their asses to Darwin. So he went back a few days later on his off time and snagged a dose. Then they called his chief and reported a FF that had a heroin problem.
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:38:31 PM EDT
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you won't see anyone complaining about stomach pumps saving people from alcohol But Sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death
But the real result of Narcan is that Heroin users will be able to use more and still not die. 
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:39:13 PM EDT
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It's pretty obvious there are two people in this thread that don't deal with junkies.
My dept is going to make us start toting narcan in the near future... |
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