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Posted: 6/20/2024 7:21:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol. You transitioned from woefully uninformed to uninformed and completely unhinged. Congrats, it took some confidence to make that leap. What METs are they training on and at what echelon? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Biden's State Dept Official Admits Great Replacement is Real; ‘They Want to Change the Demographics of the United States’ https://x.com/Project_Veritas/status/1803787015068045380 Gen. Daniel Hokanson is clearly supporting the leftist replacement of America. lol. You transitioned from woefully uninformed to uninformed and completely unhinged. Congrats, it took some confidence to make that leap. Quoted: NG deployed on the Texas border DO FORMALLY train on their METL while they are there are on deployment. What METs are they training on and at what echelon? @R_S |
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Posted: 6/20/2024 7:28:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Back around 9-11 as an NCO at Beale AFB, we had to keep an active duty enlisted person working on the weekends to keep the weekend warriors from stealing all our shit. I despise the weekend warriors with a passion. The Reserves and National Guard are not an actual military force. Kudos to Donald Rumsfeld tho for deploying the shit out of them with thee "Total Force policy" where they received no benefits. Sounds like a you problem. and a you don't know what you are talking about problem. |
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Posted: 6/20/2024 7:32:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol. You transitioned from woefully uninformed to uninformed and completely unhinged. Congrats, it took some confidence to make that leap. What METs are they training on and at what echelon? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Biden's State Dept Official Admits Great Replacement is Real; ‘They Want to Change the Demographics of the United States’ https://x.com/Project_Veritas/status/1803787015068045380 Gen. Daniel Hokanson is clearly supporting the leftist replacement of America. lol. You transitioned from woefully uninformed to uninformed and completely unhinged. Congrats, it took some confidence to make that leap. Quoted: NG deployed on the Texas border DO FORMALLY train on their METL while they are there are on deployment. What METs are they training on and at what echelon? If you are so informed, why don't you tell me? |
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Posted: 6/20/2024 7:36:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you are so informed, why don't you tell me? You are the one making the claim. |
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Posted: 6/20/2024 7:40:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Back around 9-11 as an NCO at Beale AFB, we had to keep an active duty enlisted person working on the weekends to keep the weekend warriors from stealing all our shit. I despise the weekend warriors with a passion. The Reserves and National Guard are not an actual military force. Kudos to Donald Rumsfeld tho for deploying the shit out of them with thee "Total Force policy" where they received no benefits. That’s weird. I’ve never seen anyone beg for a 1:1 deploy to dwell before. |
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Posted: 6/20/2024 7:59:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tell me, how much are the NG soldiers on the Texas border getting paid? I'll give you a hint. Enlisted get more than a Marine Corps O-3. Less than active duty. You have to look at it overall, not just one area. Explain to me what happened when someone gets hurt on SAD. What is BAH and how does it get paid out? What experience do you have with the .mil and with OLS? @R_S |
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Posted: 6/20/2024 8:08:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you are so informed, why don't you tell me? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Biden's State Dept Official Admits Great Replacement is Real; 'They Want to Change the Demographics of the United States' https://x.com/Project_Veritas/status/1803787015068045380 Gen. Daniel Hokanson is clearly supporting the leftist replacement of America. lol. You transitioned from woefully uninformed to uninformed and completely unhinged. Congrats, it took some confidence to make that leap. Quoted: NG deployed on the Texas border DO FORMALLY train on their METL while they are there are on deployment. What METs are they training on and at what echelon? If you are so informed, why don't you tell me? You're the only one here claiming to know what METs they're training. |
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Posted: 6/20/2024 8:10:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Less than active duty. You have to look at it overall, not just one area. Explain to me what happened when someone gets hurt on SAD. What is BAH and how does it get paid out? What experience do you have with the .mil and with OLS? @R_S Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Tell me, how much are the NG soldiers on the Texas border getting paid? I'll give you a hint. Enlisted get more than a Marine Corps O-3. Less than active duty. You have to look at it overall, not just one area. Explain to me what happened when someone gets hurt on SAD. What is BAH and how does it get paid out? What experience do you have with the .mil and with OLS? @R_S "You're so informed, you tell me"  Dude thinks he knows better than a dozen service members with probably 100+ years of service between us and general officer lol. |
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Posted: 6/20/2024 8:31:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you are so informed, why don't you tell me? Lol, you claim to know they are being trained. I suspect this is actually a lie and you don't actually know what a MET is nor if they are actually being trained or not. I could look in CATS right now and pull up every ICTL and METL for every unit in the National Guard, and I am intimately familiar with how they are trained and validated. I have conducted complete training cycles and been the validation authority at multiple echelons dozens of times. I am 100% certain you cannot look them up, have zero functional understanding of what they are, how they are trained and what validation entails. If you are so certain they are being trained while on a border mission go ahead and drop a unit name and a few tasks they achieved a T status on while on the mission? |
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Posted: 6/20/2024 8:37:34 PM EDT
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Are we saying that the military national guard forces deployed to the border are worthless and doing nothing or not? I honestly do not know. Seems to be a pretty significant disparity in the understanding of the key fact here. The macro results suggest they are worthless, but it's likely much more complex than that.
If they are doing any good, then it's an extremely valuable mission. Much more valuable than the 20 years of endless deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan. Ironically, many of those units were fighting and patrolling the borders of Iraq and Afghanistan. And those missions had very little to do with raising and preparing a US military to fight another military. Plenty of Generals claimed it had a "hallowing out" effect on our military. Defending the border is also far more important than preparing for, or even fighting in any conceived war with China. In the case of the NG on State orders, that wouldn't be necessary if the Feds did their job. In the end, this dude is just crying to try and get more resources, like every other General who goes to Congress. You want more Federal funds because the Executive refuses to do their duty? Get fucked. You want relief from a mission because you don't like it and your bosses refuse to let you do the job correctly? Get double fucked. Oh Soldiers quality of life and mission success is getting royally screwed because American Communists hate them and everything they stand for? Yeah that's always been the case. General you seem to be lost and whining in the wrong building. We have some staffers who can escort you over to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. We will also have them print out a copy of the laws that your boss is violating by not enforcing the border. Good day sir. Power of the purse, Congress should use it on worthless administrations. You know it's working when they send their underlings to cry and beg for mercy. |
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Posted: 6/20/2024 8:41:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why can't DHS do it? Because THEY'RE THE ONES LETTING THEM IN. |
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Posted: 6/20/2024 8:46:49 PM EDT
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Give em a full load out and make it a free fire zone..
That solves a couple problems I see |
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Posted: 6/20/2024 8:53:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because THEY'RE THE ONES LETTING THEM IN. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why can't DHS do it? Because THEY'RE THE ONES LETTING THEM IN. Yep: Border patrol agent tells CNN he has to allow illegal border crossings or lose his job "Our hands are tied," the anonymous border agent told a reporter in a segment Wednesday. "If I don't allow them to cross, they call and complain, now I'm in trouble." "Now I'm going to lose my job," the agent added, explaining the risks associated with refusing to facilitate border crossings. The agent also explained that the job of securing the border was one that was once filled with "pride." All part of the plan |
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Posted: 6/20/2024 9:02:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/20/2024 9:04:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, you claim to know they are being trained. I suspect this is actually a lie and you don't actually know what a MET is nor if they are actually being trained or not. I could look in CATS right now and pull up every ICTL and METL for every unit in the National Guard, and I am intimately familiar with how they are trained and validated. I have conducted complete training cycles and been the validation authority at multiple echelons dozens of times. I am 100% certain you cannot look them up, have zero functional understanding of what they are, how they are trained and what validation entails. If you are so certain they are being trained while on a border mission go ahead and drop a unit name and a few tasks they achieved a T status on while on the mission? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you are so informed, why don't you tell me? Lol, you claim to know they are being trained. I suspect this is actually a lie and you don't actually know what a MET is nor if they are actually being trained or not. I could look in CATS right now and pull up every ICTL and METL for every unit in the National Guard, and I am intimately familiar with how they are trained and validated. I have conducted complete training cycles and been the validation authority at multiple echelons dozens of times. I am 100% certain you cannot look them up, have zero functional understanding of what they are, how they are trained and what validation entails. If you are so certain they are being trained while on a border mission go ahead and drop a unit name and a few tasks they achieved a T status on while on the mission? I am telling the truth. If you actually knew what was going on at the border you would know what I am saying is true. Maybe you should visit sometime. |
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Posted: 6/20/2024 9:07:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am telling the truth. If you actually knew what was going on at the border you would know what I am saying is true. Maybe you should visit sometime. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you are so informed, why don't you tell me? Lol, you claim to know they are being trained. I suspect this is actually a lie and you don't actually know what a MET is nor if they are actually being trained or not. I could look in CATS right now and pull up every ICTL and METL for every unit in the National Guard, and I am intimately familiar with how they are trained and validated. I have conducted complete training cycles and been the validation authority at multiple echelons dozens of times. I am 100% certain you cannot look them up, have zero functional understanding of what they are, how they are trained and what validation entails. If you are so certain they are being trained while on a border mission go ahead and drop a unit name and a few tasks they achieved a T status on while on the mission? I am telling the truth. If you actually knew what was going on at the border you would know what I am saying is true. Maybe you should visit sometime. If you knew what was going on at the border you wouldn't be contradicting yourself in this very thread. |
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Posted: 6/20/2024 9:10:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am telling the truth. If you actually knew what was going on at the border you would know what I am saying is true. Maybe you should visit sometime. Then simply explain what METs are being trained. It's not hard, you made the claim that others were lying, so back it up in the simplest way possible. I visited a little over a month ago, I grew up in South Texas. Don't pull that card with me. Visiting the border would validate absolutely nothing that you have claimed in this thread. |
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Posted: 6/20/2024 11:16:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am telling the truth. If you actually knew what was going on at the border you would know what I am saying is true. Maybe you should visit sometime. Terrible attempt at a dodge. |
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Posted: 6/21/2024 1:24:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am telling the truth. If you actually knew what was going on at the border you would know what I am saying is true. Maybe you should visit sometime. @r_s have you been to the border? |
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Posted: 6/21/2024 4:39:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No "military training value" isn't exactly the same as "no military value" or "no security value." Mobilization can be like that. |
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Posted: 6/21/2024 4:53:59 AM EDT
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If you're mobilized to perform tasks not related to your MOS then over the long haul your training will suffer. When we were mobilized to assist the Air Guard with base defense for two years post 911 we still tried to maintain some proficiency in our core skills. It didn't hurt that we were in our home state and near West Point and Camp Smith with access to training areas and able to borrow equipment from our home unit.
All of that training still had to happen around our primary mission to assist the Air Guard. Our guys who went to the southwest border on the other hand didn't have the same training options Same with the nuke plant mission that went on for six years or some of the other missions we were given. Anytime you prevent a unit from training as a cohesive unit for multiple years you're going to negatively impact the ability to perform the primary mission to standard. |
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Posted: 6/21/2024 9:46:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you're mobilized to perform tasks not related to your MOS then over the long haul your training will suffer. When we were mobilized to assist the Air Guard with base defense for two years post 911 we still tried to maintain some proficiency in our core skills. It didn't hurt that we were in our home state and near West Point and Camp Smith with access to training areas and able to borrow equipment from our home unit. All of that training still had to happen around our primary mission to assist the Air Guard. Our guys who went to the southwest border on the other hand didn't have the same training options Same with the nuke plant mission that went on for six years or some of the other missions we were given. Anytime you prevent a unit from training as a cohesive unit for multiple years you're going to negatively impact the ability to perform the primary mission to standard. Admittedly I am not a guard guy and don't know a lot about it. From what I've seen I've gotten the impression that Guard units either get an extended train up prior to Deployment, or they are a fucked up clown show. Some units I've seen with more drills, longer drills and an extended trainup, were still clown shows. It really seemed to be much more about the pre deployment trainup than the drills years or six months prior. So I have my doubts about how much this actually impacts anything. I'm not the PACOM J-5, but I really doubt that National Guard units taking 120 days to train up, instead of 90, is going to be the deciding factor against China. I'm sure this make believe General thinks what he does is super important to global deterrence though. |
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Posted: 6/21/2024 10:25:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Admittedly I am not a guard guy and don't know a lot about it. From what I've seen I've gotten the impression that Guard units either get an extended train up prior to Deployment, or they are a fucked up clown show. Some units I've seen with more drills, longer drills and an extended trainup, were still clown shows. It really seemed to be much more about the pre deployment trainup than the drills years or six months prior. So I have my doubts about how much this actually impacts anything. I'm not the PACOM J-5, but I really doubt that National Guard units taking 120 days to train up, instead of 90, is going to be the deciding factor against China. I'm sure this make believe General thinks what he does is super important to global deterrence though. Post 911 my unit didn't drill as an intact cohesive unit until 2007 when everyone was brought back from their various missions and we started the train up for the 2008 deployment. All of that training went out the window as soon as we hit Kabul and the unit was split Into a handful of missions in different parts of the country. I extended my deployment to the end of 2009, and when I got back to my unit in early 2010 they were already ramping up for their 2012 return to Afghanistan. If things kick off with China it'll be a wake-up call for everyone, active and Guard. We haven't had a peer conflict in so long that I'm not sure how it'll go without some serious buy-in not only by everyone in uniform but the civilians back home. None of this 365 day tours and a plane ride home where everyone else's lives went on with no hiccups while we were away. I just don't trust half of our civilian population to be willing to make the sacrifices needed. I also think that our military has been weakened by all of the social engineering that leaders like Biden have subjected it to. |
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Posted: 6/21/2024 10:27:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure this make believe General thinks what he does is super important to global deterrence though. |
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Posted: 6/21/2024 10:35:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought the NG is more about rescue, responding to disasters than anything else. Were you not hearing about the overseas rotations since the Gulf War? Iraq? Afghanistan? My old unit is currently in Africa. State missions like responding to natural disasters is one facet of their job. You might be thinking of the state guard, which answers to the governor and is non-deployable. About half of the states have a state guard component |
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Posted: 6/21/2024 10:37:50 AM EDT
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The "mission" of defending the border with actual deterrence doesn't appear to be happening here.
Sounds more like glorified people watching with an EAL that allows anyone to enter. |
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Posted: 6/21/2024 10:38:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm telling you. People would be signing up to leave their job and families in droves to head to the border. Have you not read the posts on this forum? This is a no-brainer for the National Guard. The government isn't going to fund a Guard mission to sit on the border and shoot anyone crossing the river. That mission might excite some people here but I'd have to question their fitness for duty if that's what gets them excited |
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Posted: 6/21/2024 11:26:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The general doesn't get to decide. He's been instructed to be prepared to execute certain tasks, and he is letting Congress know he won't be able to. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm sure this make believe General thinks what he does is super important to global deterrence though. You cut out the part where I pointed out that what they are missing out on probably doesn't prepare them anyway. More of a check the box kinda bullshit. So it's sort of a lie if you look at it that way. |
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Posted: 6/21/2024 11:38:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You cut out the part where I pointed out that what they are missing out on probably doesn't prepare them anyway. More of a check the box kinda bullshit. So it's sort of a lie if you look at it that way. A technical MOS that only has around 40 training days a year, which has to share that between 350-1, admin, and SMCT skills won't atrophy if that time is taken away? After having been the validation authority for a half dozen guard companies related to MOS based ICTL/METs, I can assure you they need all the time they can get. |
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Posted: 6/21/2024 11:50:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A technical MOS that only has around 40 training days a year, which has to share that between 350-1, admin, and SMCT skills won't atrophy if that time is taken away? After having been the validation authority for a half dozen guard companies related to MOS based ICTL/METs, I can assure you they need all the time they can get. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You cut out the part where I pointed out that what they are missing out on probably doesn't prepare them anyway. More of a check the box kinda bullshit. So it's sort of a lie if you look at it that way. A technical MOS that only has around 40 training days a year, which has to share that between 350-1, admin, and SMCT skills won't atrophy if that time is taken away? After having been the validation authority for a half dozen guard companies related to MOS based ICTL/METs, I can assure you they need all the time they can get. In my limited experience, the pre-deployment train up is what actually matters and gets them trained. I've not seen much accomplished through the weekend drills. Even the 4 day drills are mostly wasted on bureaucracy. |
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Posted: 6/21/2024 11:52:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: No "military training value" isn't exactly the same as "no military value" or "no security value." What are the rules of engagement? If they were allowed to treat them as in invading force I bet there would be some value. 1. They are an invading force. 2. If you put up a DMZ style wall complete with mine fields, it will even stop the cartels from crossing there. That isn't going to happen obviously, but there are lesser things they could do to at least help security. The question is what are they allowed to do. |
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Posted: 6/21/2024 11:57:19 PM EDT
[#32]
Hey, general, every American has value. FU
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Posted: 6/22/2024 12:01:49 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In my limited experience, the pre-deployment train up is what actually matters and gets them trained. I've not seen much accomplished through the weekend drills. Even the 4 day drills are mostly wasted on bureaucracy. The predeployment trainup at MOB immediately before they deploy that gets wasted on 1st Army validating basic battle drills? As active duty I go out to ATs and combined quarterly drills and conduct MOS training in specific technical MOS tasks. If those were taken away they would have zero recourse to train in their MOS. I have a role with Compo II for a reason. |
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Posted: 6/22/2024 12:05:19 AM EDT
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He is not wrong.
What "training value" does it really have. They are doing nothing what soldiers are really trained for. The US Mil is not the world's police, so having them play police at the border has zero training value. |
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Posted: 6/22/2024 12:15:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The predeployment trainup at MOB immediately before they deploy that gets wasted on 1st Army validating basic battle drills? As active duty I go out to ATs and combined quarterly drills and conduct MOS training in specific technical MOS tasks. If those were taken away they would have zero recourse to train in their MOS. I have a role with Compo II for a reason. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In my limited experience, the pre-deployment train up is what actually matters and gets them trained. I've not seen much accomplished through the weekend drills. Even the 4 day drills are mostly wasted on bureaucracy. The predeployment trainup at MOB immediately before they deploy that gets wasted on 1st Army validating basic battle drills? As active duty I go out to ATs and combined quarterly drills and conduct MOS training in specific technical MOS tasks. If those were taken away they would have zero recourse to train in their MOS. I have a role with Compo II for a reason. Earlier it was argued that it is the collective training, of infantry units, that's suffering. This assertion made after some had mentioned that a lot of the individual training can be done as well, or better while on orders at the border. Now we are back to individual training, but now for technical MOS... So what kinda units are actually getting sent down there and what training are they missing that can't be done down there? |
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Posted: 6/22/2024 12:19:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Earlier it was argued that it is the collective training, of infantry units, that's suffering. This assertion made after some had mentioned that a lot of the individual training can be done as well, or better while on orders at the border. Now we are back to individual training, but now for technical MOS... So what kinda units are actually getting sent down there and what training are they missing that can't be done down there? The type of units were not mentioned in the article, so anyone stating unit types is full of shit. I do know it is not only combat arms being sent, and many technical fields are also augmenting. Collective training for a technical unit is still specific to MOS or type of unit. METs are platoon and higher. How does a mechanized maintenance company support those METs while utilizing NTVs and Humvees on mission? The key part of the statement was not MET proficiency though, it was overall sustainability. That point seems to have gotten lost in this discussion. Regular guard rotations to OIR, OSS, and OLS are gutting manning and units are robbing peter to pay Paul augmenting from other units and states to make mission. |
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Posted: 6/22/2024 4:58:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Earlier it was argued that it is the collective training, of infantry units, that's suffering. This assertion made after some had mentioned that a lot of the individual training can be done as well, or better while on orders at the border. Now we are back to individual training, but now for technical MOS... So what kinda units are actually getting sent down there and what training are they missing that can't be done down there? It's not just infantry. Every MOS was sent down to the border in the beginning as an all hands on deck evolution. I met Apache repair dudes, mechanics of all kinds, supply, artillery, log train, etc. The Texas NG is an infantry division so you'd expect to see more 11X jobs. There is no artillery being fired, obviously. No apaches flying. A few m113s used as static positions. Even AGR/Staff in some cases went. OLS is a full time gig. How is a 15R going to do their 4 days on/3 days off and find time for doing MOS training when they are 200 miles away from the Houston? What about 13Ms? 19Ms? 19ks? OLS was one of the most poorly run and expensive state operations in history. It's gotten better but it's still not where it should be. It's popular with the governor's voting bloc so it will continue. |
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Posted: 6/22/2024 6:44:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In my limited experience, the pre-deployment train up is what actually matters and gets them trained. I've not seen much accomplished through the weekend drills. Even the 4 day drills are mostly wasted on bureaucracy. Nope - https://mil.wa.gov/about-the-81st that’s why 81st brigade was stuck at Fort Lewis over a month more than was expected before finally arriving in Iraq in April 2004 https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-mar-01-me-guard1-story.html despite being 1 of the 15 enhanced brigades - should have been 90 days from their November federalization https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA326580.pdf and a chunk of that brigade remained at Fort Lewis and didn’t deploy for being so ate up soup sandwich. 4 day drills are not primarily admin. I’ve never seen a training schedule that was primarily admin for the duration of the training period. https://www.nationalguard.mil/News/State-Partnership-Program/Article/2953103/116th-ibct-completes-exercise-ahead-of-kosovo-deployment/ “It can actually be harder to be a National Guard Soldier because active-duty Soldiers have 30 days to accomplish what you have to do in three days,” Long said. “You may not do it every day, but you’re expected to know, you’re expected to act, and you’re expected to do everything just like you would if you were on active duty.” |
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Posted: 6/22/2024 7:12:35 AM EDT
[#39]
This entire FJB administration sees no value in anything defined in their job descriptions let alone the US Constitution.
There will come a time of reckoning. |
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Posted: 6/22/2024 7:29:57 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This entire FJB administration sees no value in anything defined in their job descriptions let alone the US Constitution. There will come a time of reckoning. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/20/centrists-immigration-policy-us-europe-00164151 |
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Posted: 6/22/2024 7:50:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This entire FJB administration sees no value in anything defined in their job descriptions let alone the US Constitution. There will come a time of reckoning. Quote HistoryQuoted: This entire FJB administration sees no value in anything defined in their job descriptions let alone the US Constitution. There will come a time of reckoning. Well, what is the NGB Bureau's job description? DoDD 5105.77 seems to think it incudes: (a) Implements DoD, Department of the Army, and Department of the Air Force guidance on the structure, strength authorizations, and other resources of the Army National Guard of the United States and the Air National Guard of the United States. (b) Prescribes the training discipline and training requirements for the Army National Guard and the Air National Guard, and the allocation of federal funds for the training of the Army National Guard and the Air National Guard, in accordance with DoDD 1322.18 (Reference (j)). (c) Ensures that units and members of the Army National Guard and the Air National Guard are trained by the States, in accordance with approved policies and programs of the Secretaries of the Army and the Air Force. I'm no internet armchair genius, but it sure looks like it is literally this man's job to flag readiness issues when his forces cannot meet the standards established by the respective service secretaries. You and others seem to be suggesting he should say, "fuck you, I don't answer to no damned civilian service secretary, I'm going to organize and structure my forces any damned way I want and set any priorities I want." |
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Posted: 6/22/2024 7:53:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1. They are an invading force. 2. If you put up a DMZ style wall complete with mine fields, it will even stop the cartels from crossing there. That isn't going to happen obviously, but there are lesser things they could do to at least help security. The question is what are they allowed to do. It's a civilian law enforcement problem. If it was an actual invasion you wouldn't see just the national guard there. https://www.texastribune.org/2023/01/19/national-guard-migrant-shot-border/ |
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Posted: 6/22/2024 7:54:47 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/22/2024 7:57:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a civilian law enforcement problem. If it was an actual invasion you wouldn't see just the national guard there. https://www.texastribune.org/2023/01/19/national-guard-migrant-shot-border/ "Dear President Biden: The U.S. Constitution won ratification by promising the States, in Article IV, § 4, that the federal government “shall protect each of them against Invasion.” By refusing to enforce the immigration laws enacted by Congress, including 8 U.S.C. § 1325(a)(1)’s criminal prohibition against aliens entering the United States between authorized ports of entry, your Administration has made clear that it will not honor that guarantee. The federal government’s failure has forced me to invoke Article I, § 10, Clause 3 of the U.S. Constitution, thereby enabling the State of Texas to protect its own territory against invasion by the Mexican drug cartels." I believe Governors are the National Guards Commander-in-Chief unless activated. https://gov.texas.gov/uploads/files/press/BidenJoseph_11.16.22.pdf |
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Posted: 6/22/2024 8:09:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I mean...he's not wrong. I'll add that I am skeptical that the NG troops stationed there are allowed to do anything actually useful like apprehend and deport illegals. I don't know for sure though. "This is a law enforcement mission. They're doing mission sets that are not directly applicable to their military skill sets. That time, I think, would be better used building readiness to deter our adversaries." |
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Posted: 6/22/2024 8:12:27 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No "military training value" isn't exactly the same as "no military value" or "no security value." Thank you. OP. You should edit thread title. |
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Posted: 6/22/2024 8:17:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m surprised by the characterization as most of the personnel I knew who went on border duty liked it. I don’t recall any complaints My old aviation unit loved it. |
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Posted: 6/22/2024 8:17:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Dear President Biden: The U.S. Constitution won ratification by promising the States, in Article IV, § 4, that the federal government “shall protect each of them against Invasion.” By refusing to enforce the immigration laws enacted by Congress, including 8 U.S.C. § 1325(a)(1)’s criminal prohibition against aliens entering the United States between authorized ports of entry, your Administration has made clear that it will not honor that guarantee. The federal government’s failure has forced me to invoke Article I, § 10, Clause 3 of the U.S. Constitution, thereby enabling the State of Texas to protect its own territory against invasion by the Mexican drug cartels." I believe Governors are the National Guards Commander-in-Chief unless activated. https://gov.texas.gov/uploads/files/press/BidenJoseph_11.16.22.pdf My point still stands. It's not an invasion. It's a civilian law enforcement matter. The guard is simply a hammer being used to open a crate in absence of a proper tool. The one sized fits all approach like covid. The governor is still in charge unless activated. |
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Posted: 6/22/2024 8:19:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Infantry training is all about marksmanship, fitness, and medical. |
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Posted: 6/22/2024 8:36:00 AM EDT
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