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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:13:54 PM EST
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Pretty sure if I did cocaine, I would lose my job and retirement.
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:17:34 PM EST
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I would hope so. Navy has been zero tolerance for drug abuse for a long time. That includes special operations and always has. Alcohol abuse not so much, though that's slowly changing as well. Actually enforcing it is an entirely different situation. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:19:30 PM EST
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I'm sure it's been mentioned in this thread? but SEALs have been using speed as far back as Nam that I'm aware of. Meth though? Fuck |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:22:03 PM EST
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When I was in the service, drug use was mostly but not isolated to the lower ranks, but alcohol was widespread thoughout all ranks
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:22:25 PM EST
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What? I thought all druggies were unmotivated fuck ups who never accomplish anything. GD lied to me? Unpossible. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:24:42 PM EST
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not being NAVSPECWAR, whats the difference? |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:29:22 PM EST
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not being NAVSPECWAR, whats the difference? |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:34:40 PM EST
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Oh look the Navy's silent professionals are in the news...Again.
I'm not reading the article, I'll wait for the book and Marky Mark movie. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:39:10 PM EST
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How is this possible? When I was a Coast Guard reservist I was drug tested a couple times a year for random drug testing.
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:42:05 PM EST
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Traditionally, speed refers to amphetamines, not methamphetamines. But druggies are druggies so terminology gets warped over time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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not being NAVSPECWAR, whats the difference? So it's bad if you take meth yourself, but if the gov't gives it to you, it's all good! RF |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:49:24 PM EST
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How is this possible? When I was a Coast Guard reservist I was drug tested a couple times a year for random drug testing. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:50:08 PM EST
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If someone had lit a match at some morning formations we would have blown up like ied's. ETOH is powerful.
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:55:19 PM EST
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From the article "One SEAL who had tested positive for cocaine last summer tested positive again, this time for prescription drugs. He is being kicked off the teams." How the fuck do you stay in the Navy after pissing hot for cocaine, let alone stay in the Seal community? That's just a giant WTF for me. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:59:14 PM EST
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A sign of the decay and rot spreading throughout the Western World. Its happened before, will happen again. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:06:02 PM EST
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Who is taking about combat operations here? If you are, you're in an alternate reality from the rest of us. And what planet do you come from where you think I'm some SEAL fanboy? I probably like them less than you do, and for reasons grounded in reality - a place you haven't seen in decades. I don't let my personal feelings decide what is accurate and what is not like you do. I do find your characterization of my service a bit comical though, it's as accurate as it can be while being wildly inaccurate and incomplete and ignorant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"ground operations" is not what I'm talking about. Nor am I offended, just laughing that you walked into it so easily. Or is it some secret ReconB4 stuff? Zero relevant experience to combat operations on dry land, although he supported Squeals once, so lots of fanboisim for them gets inserted into any threads about them, even though his experience with them confirms major problems with their community.
Who is taking about combat operations here? If you are, you're in an alternate reality from the rest of us. And what planet do you come from where you think I'm some SEAL fanboy? I probably like them less than you do, and for reasons grounded in reality - a place you haven't seen in decades. I don't let my personal feelings decide what is accurate and what is not like you do. I do find your characterization of my service a bit comical though, it's as accurate as it can be while being wildly inaccurate and incomplete and ignorant. If I want comments about UCMJ and narcotics abuse within SOCOM, I'll ask others. You mistake my criticisms of SEALs as dislike of them personally. I actually got along with all of the ones I interacted with, especially guys that were into guns and gear like me. There is also the possibility that this is a hit piece for some of them flying political partisan flags on military vehicles on duty, photographed by presstitutes recently. Either way, they make the presstitute's jobs pretty easy, whether being cast as heroes or villains. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:40:04 PM EST
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true. but they cashed out, made their money and received zero real punishment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm 100% positive those two do not have any clearance and never will again. but they cashed out, made their money and received zero real punishment. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:41:29 PM EST
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If I want to know about managing technicians who run AN/SPY-1, you're my go to guy. If I want comments about UCMJ and narcotics abuse within SOCOM, I'll ask others. You mistake my criticisms of SEALs as dislike of them personally. I actually got along with all of the ones I interacted with, especially guys that were into guns and gear like me. There is also the possibility that this is a hit piece for some of them flying political partisan flags on military vehicles on duty, photographed by presstitutes recently. Either way, they make the presstitute's jobs pretty easy, whether being cast as heroes or villains. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"ground operations" is not what I'm talking about. Nor am I offended, just laughing that you walked into it so easily. Or is it some secret ReconB4 stuff? Zero relevant experience to combat operations on dry land, although he supported Squeals once, so lots of fanboisim for them gets inserted into any threads about them, even though his experience with them confirms major problems with their community.
Who is taking about combat operations here? If you are, you're in an alternate reality from the rest of us. And what planet do you come from where you think I'm some SEAL fanboy? I probably like them less than you do, and for reasons grounded in reality - a place you haven't seen in decades. I don't let my personal feelings decide what is accurate and what is not like you do. I do find your characterization of my service a bit comical though, it's as accurate as it can be while being wildly inaccurate and incomplete and ignorant. If I want comments about UCMJ and narcotics abuse within SOCOM, I'll ask others. You mistake my criticisms of SEALs as dislike of them personally. I actually got along with all of the ones I interacted with, especially guys that were into guns and gear like me. There is also the possibility that this is a hit piece for some of them flying political partisan flags on military vehicles on duty, photographed by presstitutes recently. Either way, they make the presstitute's jobs pretty easy, whether being cast as heroes or villains. None? Yeah, that's what I thought. |
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Posted: 4/13/2017 12:24:42 AM EST
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How is this possible? When I was a Coast Guard reservist I was drug tested a couple times a year for random drug testing. 
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Posted: 4/13/2017 12:28:58 AM EST
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I would hope so. Navy has been zero tolerance for drug abuse for a long time. That includes special operations and always has. Alcohol abuse not so much, though that's slowly changing as well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those guys have always known how to party. I don't know why anyone would be surprised people under that much pressure relieve it the same way the rest of the human race does. Alcohol abuse not so much, though that's slowly changing as well. 
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Posted: 4/13/2017 2:45:42 AM EST
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It's such an arduous life, Josh. Drugs must be the only way to compensate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those guys have always known how to party. I don't know why anyone would be surprised people under that much pressure relieve it the same way the rest of the human race does. Alcohol abuse not so much, though that's slowly changing as well. |
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Posted: 4/13/2017 3:00:45 AM EST
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It's all
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Posted: 4/13/2017 3:17:47 AM EST
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It could be the first SEAL movie on Lifetime. "A story of tragedy and recovery, told by the wives/FWB/side bitches/hoes in different area codes of the US Navy Seals"
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Posted: 4/13/2017 3:42:55 AM EST
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With the piss test, most of the hard stuff is only detectable for a few days. I don't know what's more concerning, the guys who pissed hot, or the lack of preparation for the whiz quiz. IME it's rare for a "random" urinalysis to be a surprise, especially in small or tight knit units. I know it sounds terrible, but if your group can't sniff out an upcoming piss test and come up with a plan to beat it, what does that say about your group's self control, planning abilities and critical thinking skills..... |
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Posted: 4/13/2017 6:08:13 AM EST
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There is a huge investment in every SEAL team member, so it's a helluva lot cheaper to rehabilitate one that replace one. |
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Posted: 4/13/2017 6:13:36 AM EST
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Bullshit. It's a culture of turning a blind eye and a good ol boys club. There are a plethora of rates in the navy that cost the taxpayers nearly same, if not more to train and if they piss hot they get the boot. The policy is to be separated for illegallly using drugs. These guys are getting a pass via the chain for many reasons but none of the reasons are for the huge investment that the government has committed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is a huge investment in every SEAL team member, so it's a helluva lot cheaper to rehabilitate one that replace one. |
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Posted: 4/13/2017 6:31:21 AM EST
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For the life of me I simply DO NOT understand why so many Americans are taking these fucking hard drugs.
I simply just do not get it. 
Been this way since I have been a kid. |
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Posted: 4/13/2017 6:38:24 AM EST
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The Navy's policy doesn't have exceptions for SEALs. I'm sure that somebody somewhere has an story about a guy that pissed hot and got to stay, but there is no Navy policy allowing that. I've heard of one or two cases where an adsep board chose not to put someone out for drugs, and then pers came back and said discharge anyway. The only stories I've ever heard of someone pissing hot and then getting to stay on active duty are urban legend type stories. I've been a DAPA on and off for almost 15 years, several of those in NSW, and I've never personally seen a single person retained after a *validated* hot piss test. I've had a couple of Sailors who came back hot who were not abusing but didn't have the proper medical record entries, they got to stay once the doctors got involved and validated the circumstances. That's the only time I've seen someone fail a urinalysis and get to stay. |
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Posted: 4/13/2017 8:02:37 AM EST
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Bullshit. It's a culture of turning a blind eye and a good ol boys club. There are a plethora of rates in the navy that cost the taxpayers nearly same, if not more to train and if they piss hot they get the boot. The policy is to be separated for illegallly using drugs. These guys are getting a pass via the chain for many reasons but none of the reasons are for the huge investment that the government has committed. |
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Posted: 4/13/2017 8:05:16 AM EST
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That's why I always laughed at the dudes who pissed hot for coke. I don't know what's more concerning, the guys who pissed hot, or the lack of preparation for the whiz quiz. IME it's rare for a "random" urinalysis to be a surprise, especially in small or tight knit units. I know it sounds terrible, but if your group can't sniff out an upcoming piss test and come up with a plan to beat it, what does that say about your group's self control, planning abilities and critical thinking skills..... I find your position troubling, I would hate to be in a unit where members devoted time, thought and effort in defeating UA's, that would be confirmation of a bigger problem in the unit. |
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Posted: 4/13/2017 8:05:23 AM EST
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Damn I feel old.
Remember the days before piss test, and many times someone was caught red handed and was told not to do it again. Trying to remember when it started that if caught once, you was booted.
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Posted: 4/13/2017 8:07:54 AM EST
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"What is Integrity Alex?" |
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Posted: 4/13/2017 8:39:46 AM EST
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A word used by people who can't hack BUDS. 
As if you knew what my week has been like. |
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Posted: 4/13/2017 9:08:15 AM EST
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For all the talk of the drug use being from the stress of deployments, consider what Captain Sands had to say:
"So why do SEALs take drugs? You might think it was due to the stress of high-risk operations, but that’s not what Sands said. “They think it was OK because they’ve seen other people do it,” Sands said in the video. “They think their teammates won’t turn them in. They think it’s kind of the cool thing to do, but they think it’s OK.” It's a pretty good bet that Sands has seen the results into the investigations of those who have tested positive. I believe he may have a decent idea at what is the catalyst behind the growing trend. |
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Posted: 4/13/2017 9:33:05 AM EST
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Coming back home from vacation CBP had me in a room in MIA called #15 waiting for like 45 minutes, I was not even told to run my bags thru the scanners, I went right to the end where there were tables, so I started opening my bags and putting them on the table, which is tedious cause I have everything locked. There are like 5 Customs guys all on the computer, oblivious to my presence. One of the CBP guys asks me what am I doing, I say aren't you going to inspect my bags? the
customs guy tells me "did I tell you to put it on the table"? I just let out a sigh and start taking the bags off the table. I am sitting down for about 15 minutes when finally I ask 'what is the problem here, why don't you check my bags?" The customs guy sees my VA ID when he starts looking thru my bags finally, gives me a dirty look, asks if I am military and says they made a major drug bust with some Navy Seals, and I ask them what does it have to do with me? I have been out over 40 years, and just look thru my bags already. This thread made me think about that incident. Welcome home
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Posted: 4/13/2017 9:48:48 AM EST
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That's why I always laughed at the dudes who pissed hot for coke. I don't know what's more concerning, the guys who pissed hot, or the lack of preparation for the whiz quiz. IME it's rare for a "random" urinalysis to be a surprise, especially in small or tight knit units. I know it sounds terrible, but if your group can't sniff out an upcoming piss test and come up with a plan to beat it, what does that say about your group's self control, planning abilities and critical thinking skills..... The longest course I attended in the military was the nursing course. There was a 100% all in test at least once a month. If you paid attention to the instructors, there were always "tells" that there would be a piss test in a few days. We still had a few people that pissed hot for coke, meth, heroin, ecstasy, and prescription drug abuse. Adderall and valium were a big problem. One guy was stealing his kids Adderall script taking it and selling it. As one of two Staff Sergeants attending the course, we were blamed for every incident. Poor leadership was the excuse. I was never in Special Ops or a Ranger, so I have no idea what would happen if one of those guys were busted. I spent the first part of my career in the 82nd as a lowly grunt and I can tell you there were people that pissed hot. As long as you were not a dirtbag, you got a freebie with a company grade Art. 15. An NCO would be busted down two ranks with a 45&45&1/2 pay for two months. Now this was the early 90's here so the Company Commander had alot more leeway in handing out punishment. Hell I got a DUI, and since I was one of the "golden boys" I got off with a company grade Art. 15. |
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Posted: 4/13/2017 9:52:39 AM EST
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I think I went the last 6 years of my career without a piss test (outside of normal physicals)
All the time with SCI. |
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Posted: 4/13/2017 10:36:51 AM EST
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I think I went the last 6 years of my career without a piss test (outside of normal physicals) All the time with SCI. |
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Posted: 4/13/2017 11:21:57 AM EST
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"What is Integrity Alex?" I find your position troubling, I would hate to be in a unit where members devoted time, thought and effort in defeating UA's, that would be confirmation of a bigger problem in the unit. The way i see it, there could be a few different scenarios in play. 1. They normally beat the whiz quiz through various means, and got caught up in something completely off the radar 2. They feel like they are shielded from whatever consequences may come down 3. They are really, really dumb 4. They just don't care if there are any consequences |
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Posted: 4/13/2017 11:34:38 AM EST
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I'm sure it's been mentioned in this thread? but SEALs have been using speed as far back as Nam that I'm aware of. Meth though? Fuck |
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Posted: 4/13/2017 11:41:05 AM EST
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Nowdays the drug of choice for that is Provigil.
Very different than meth |
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Posted: 4/13/2017 11:41:07 AM EST
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Those guys have always known how to party. I don't know why anyone would be surprised people under that much pressure relieve it the same way the rest of the human race does. |
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Posted: 4/13/2017 11:42:35 AM EST
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It could be the first SEAL movie on Lifetime. "A story of tragedy and recovery, told by the wives/FWB/side bitches/hoes in different area codes of the US Navy Seals" |
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Posted: 4/13/2017 11:49:25 AM EST
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"What is Integrity Alex?" I find your position troubling, I would hate to be in a unit where members devoted time, thought and effort in defeating UA's, that would be confirmation of a bigger problem in the unit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's why I always laughed at the dudes who pissed hot for coke. I don't know what's more concerning, the guys who pissed hot, or the lack of preparation for the whiz quiz. IME it's rare for a "random" urinalysis to be a surprise, especially in small or tight knit units. I know it sounds terrible, but if your group can't sniff out an upcoming piss test and come up with a plan to beat it, what does that say about your group's self control, planning abilities and critical thinking skills..... I find your position troubling, I would hate to be in a unit where members devoted time, thought and effort in defeating UA's, that would be confirmation of a bigger problem in the unit.
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Posted: 4/13/2017 12:01:46 PM EST
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How is obtaining intel about a 'secret' military test, subverting the test or its administrators, and continuing on as if nothing happened not the kind of thing SEAL's do? 
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Posted: 4/13/2017 12:01:58 PM EST
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I think I went the last 6 years of my career without a piss test (outside of normal physicals) All the time with SCI. |
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Posted: 4/13/2017 12:18:00 PM EST
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You don't have to be a NAVSPECWAR DAPA to have SEALs assigned to you. The "J" for joint (multi-service as opposed to NAVDOOBCOM) says you may have them working for you or you work for one.
When the piss results come back a commander has several options -- including emergency jettison/see ya/don't forget to say "Hi" to the Command Sergeant Major and Master-at-Arms on your way out the door. |
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Posted: 4/13/2017 12:21:40 PM EST
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I haven't been at a unit like that either. I would just expect a group of guys like that to at least be smart about how they do dumb things. The way i see it, there could be a few different scenarios in play. 1. They normally beat the whiz quiz through various means, and got caught up in something completely off the radar 2. They feel like they are shielded from whatever consequences may come down 3. They are really, really dumb 4. They just don't care if there are any consequences First were two Airmen at a missile base. They decided to go in with some other people and rent a cheap house and "ghost" from the barracks. Missile Security schedule basically gave you 3 days in the field and 6 days off. The Airmen had a couple of civilian room mates and partied all the time they were off. Getting some LOC's and LOR's for poor duty performance and general malaise. Actually pulled from duty, put on the rubber gun list and assigned to halls and walls while the Squadron looked at admin separation. Ended up testing positive for pot, supposedly smoked at a party with civilians. Second was an NCO at a different base. Tested positive for cocaine. All the signs were there, borrowing money from young Airmen, selling parts off his car, hooked up with a stripper and her "friends". |
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Posted: 4/13/2017 2:11:20 PM EST
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From my recollection of piss test winners in regular grunt units, it was almost always a one way ticket to the first CIV DIV if you already came in with a waiver or second pop, demotion for first time offenders or high performers but unit retainment as second award PFC.
Losing trust as an armed combatant is already a thing. Losing trust as someone who has HALO and combatant diver as a job description but buys cocaine from Chewie the street vendor and recreationally snorts a couple lines between missions is unfathomable. |
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Posted: 4/13/2017 2:14:37 PM EST
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From my recollection of piss test winners in regular grunt units, it was almost always a one way ticket to the first CIV DIV if you already came in with a waiver or second pop, demotion for first time offenders or high performers but unit retainment as second award PFC. Losing trust as an armed combatant is already a thing. Losing trust as someone who has HALO and combatant diver as a job description but buys cocaine from Chewie the street vendor and recreationally snorts a couple lines between missions is unfathomable. You can't fathom it because you can't handle it. oo yah! |
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Posted: 4/13/2017 2:23:23 PM EST
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I'm not sure if this is true, but didn't the military sometimes gives soldiers meth or at least amphetamines to keep them awake during long missions? So it's bad if you take meth yourself, but if the gov't gives it to you, it's all good! RF |
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