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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:20:41 PM EDT
[#1]
6.8 isn't replacing shit.
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:21:30 PM EDT
[#2]
Indeed
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:21:40 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 6.8 isn't replacing shit. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:22:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 6.8 isn't replacing shit. Army is trying something hopefully they come to their senses and scrap it. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:23:06 PM EDT
[#5]
6.5 Grendel could replace 5.56 and 7.62. One and done
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:23:09 PM EDT
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Even if 5.56 should be replaced, the correct answer is 6.5 Grendel.
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:25:39 PM EDT
[#7]
I love 6.8 specific threads. Never fails to bring out the Grendel and Creedmore cheerleaders. Now we just need to wait on a certain someone to trot out the 5 paragraph copy pasta.
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:26:16 PM EDT
[#8]
Definitely not a Joglee thread!
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:26:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I love 6.8 specific threads. Never fails to bring out the Grendel and Creedmore cheerleaders. Now we just need to wait on a certain someone to trot out the 5 paragraph copy pasta. Facts are racist. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:27:30 PM EDT
[#10]
6.5cm is for pussies that want to shoot shit in the middle of a hurricane at 3.2 miles away.
In a real word scenario .308 will do just fine. It has worked for years with no issues. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:28:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Definitely not a Joglee thread! That's what I came here for. 
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:30:08 PM EDT
[#12]
224V
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:30:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:31:29 PM EDT
[#14]
In for the butthurt when military does adopt their newfangled large frame 6.8 round and from Sig (277 Fury).
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:33:29 PM EDT
[#15]
They should absolutely be trying new products and calibers to see if they can find something that's better.
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:33:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 224V Not 220 or 221V 
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:35:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 224V There’s always one. Let’s throw 277 Wolverine in the mix while we’re at it. At least you retain mag capacity with it. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:35:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not 220 or 221V Fuck it, .220 Swift or .22-250 for the fucking win. Why not? |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:40:18 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 6.5cm is for pussies that want to shoot shit in the middle of a hurricane at 3.2 miles away. In a real word scenario .308 will do just fine. It has worked for years with no issues. That would be ‘6.5mm.’ Chris |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:40:58 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 6.5 Grendel could replace 5.56 and 7.62. One and done When you are talking about "replacing" with 6.5 you are talking about your barrel... |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:42:03 PM EDT
[#21]
6.8mm is still a cartridge?
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:43:12 PM EDT
[#22]
Jogger thread
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:43:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That would be ‘6.5mm.’ Chris He's talking Creedmore vs .308 (in a small frame thread....but.....like.....whatever.....) |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:43:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 6.8mm is still a cartridge? Plenty of 277 loadings out there. If you're asking if 6.8 SPC is still around, yes. It has its niche and it is doing well within it. The 6.8 the military is looking into is a bit different though and is not 6.8 SPC. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:45:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even if 5.56 should be replaced, the correct answer is 6.5 Grendel.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:47:44 PM EDT
[#26]
A saw in Grendel would be pretty awesome.
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:48:56 PM EDT
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People don't realize but the 30 vs 22 arguments were actually just a rehash of the 45-70 vs 30 cal arguments. Real men shoot 58s, 69s, and 75s.
No one ever claimed that the basic infantry 75 caliber smoothbore wasn't a manstopper. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:52:41 PM EDT
[#28]
We need to go back to 7.62x51
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:53:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 6.5 Grendel could replace 5.56 and 7.62. One and done Nah. Mags and bolts are still an issue. Mag reliability is the most common issues in the grendel forums |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:53:33 PM EDT
[#30]
Disagree, there needs to be a cartridge that can easily defeat level 4 body armor.
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:55:38 PM EDT
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Agreed. No 6.5 or 6.8...actively petitioned against them. We finally are phasing out 1911s to boot...thankfully
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:56:11 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Disagree, there needs to be a cartridge that can easily defeat level 4 body armor. Depleted Uranium AP 5.56 will do it. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:57:05 PM EDT
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Why don't they just switch ammo? Keep the rifles but use 69 or 77 grain bullets instead of 62. If 62 grain bullets are better that 55 grain bullets, wouldn't this make more sense?
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Posted: 10/2/2020 2:59:23 PM EDT
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You are assuming they are planning to fight humans
 Don’t plan to fight your last war. 
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Posted: 10/2/2020 3:01:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Disagree, there needs to be a cartridge that can easily defeat level 4 body armor. 
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Posted: 10/2/2020 3:04:24 PM EDT
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These threads are always amazing to see spectacular displays of ignorance
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Posted: 10/2/2020 3:06:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why don't they just switch ammo? Keep the rifles but use 69 or 77 grain bullets instead of 62. If 62 grain bullets are better that 55 grain bullets, wouldn't this make more sense? Because all 556 is stopped by Chinese plates. Body armor is becoming ubiquitous. This is the Army trying to find a solution to this threat. The 6.8 bullet supplied by the Army is a scaled up 855A2 projectile, they told the industry we want this to x velocity we dont care how you do it. We got 3 new rifle and machine guns using 3 different technologies, I fail to see the bad in this. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 3:11:54 PM EDT
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Are you referring to the telescoping NSFW(not-safe-for-work?
) ammunition? If so, you are absolutely right. The rifle that Sig made for that shit is retardedly huge/weirdly shaped and ugly. I will be ashamed of our armed forces if they have to carry y around that retarded weapon in place of 5.56 M4s.
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Posted: 10/2/2020 3:13:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because all 556 is stopped by Chinese plates. Body armor is becoming ubiquitous. This is the Army trying to find a solution to this threat. The 6.8 bullet supplied by the Army is a scaled up 855A2 projectile, they told the industry we want this to x velocity we dont care how you do it. We got 3 new rifle and machine guns using 3 different technologies, I fail to see the bad in this. Can be solved by improving existing 5.56 AP rounds. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 3:14:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhenever I see this I think, did Aliens copy the "phased plasma pulse rifle" thing, or did Terminator take it from Aliens? ... apparently Terminator came first, so I guess Aliens ripped it off. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 3:20:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because all 556 is stopped by Chinese plates. Body armor is becoming ubiquitous. This is the Army trying to find a solution to this threat. The 6.8 bullet supplied by the Army is a scaled up 855A2 projectile, they told the industry we want this to x velocity we dont care how you do it. We got 3 new rifle and machine guns using 3 different technologies, I fail to see the bad in this. Fire from the ridge? A drone is airborne in under 20 seconds. Body and weapon heat are located and lased in under a minute. EXACT coordinates are relayed instantly to a firebase or mortar section preprogrammed prior to patrol. Rounds on target faster and more accurately than ever thought possible. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 3:22:41 PM EDT
[#42]
Back in the day in the delta I would loved to have had a suppressed 12.5" 6.8 SPC II + XM68GD ammo along with reliable mags.
Lt Wt reliable thermal and an Aimpoint micro would have also been nice. And a G20 sidearm with Underwood ammo. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 3:22:48 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 6.5cm is for pussies that want to shoot shit in the middle of a hurricane at 3.2 miles away. In a real word scenario .308 will do just fine. It has worked for years with no issues. But muh three oh eight! Florida man is happy with .308 because Florida man never had access to ranges over 200 yards. 6.5 cm out shoots .308 at real distances. I have trouble hitting one mile with my SSG04A1 (.308). Yet I can group at one mile with my SSG08 (6.5 cm). I wonder why that is, any guesses? |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 3:24:14 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because all 556 is stopped by Chinese plates. Body armor is becoming ubiquitous. This is the Army trying to find a solution to this threat. The 6.8 bullet supplied by the Army is a scaled up 855A2 projectile, they told the industry we want this to x velocity we dont care how you do it. We got 3 new rifle and machine guns using 3 different technologies, I fail to see the bad in this. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 3:34:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Moar HE. Can't cover everything. The future is faster, more accurate HE rounds on target. Small, portable drone tech will is going to change everything. Fire from the ridge? A drone is airborne in under 20 seconds. Body and weapon heat are located and lased in under a minute. EXACT coordinates are relayed instantly to a firebase or mortar section preprogrammed prior to patrol. Rounds on target faster and more accurately than ever thought possible. Yes fires integration is getting much better, that still doesnt mean you can ignore rifles and especially machine guns lethality. If you notice, the plan is only to issue to combat arms, everyone one else will retain the M4. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 3:36:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But muh three oh eight! Florida man is happy with .308 because Florida man never had access to ranges over 200 yards. 6.5 cm out shoots .308 at real distances. I have trouble hitting one mile with my SSG04A1 (.308). Yet I can group at one mile with my SSG08 (6.5 cm). I wonder why that is, any guesses? Cause you no shoot too good? |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 3:39:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can be solved by improving existing 5.56 AP rounds. No it cant, this is an issue of velocity not projectile design. They are using the A2 projectile which has good armor penetration results and soft tissue effects. All of the test samples are operating in the 80k pressure area to meet the Armys velocity in overall length requirements. To get 556 to the required velocity would require similar results. Everyone seems to miss that this program is also a SAW replacement and all the enteranerents have superior performance and weigh less than both the 249 and 240L. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 3:43:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But muh three oh eight! Florida man is happy with .308 because Florida man never had access to ranges over 200 yards. 6.5 cm out shoots .308 at real distances. I have trouble hitting one mile with my SSG04A1 (.308). Yet I can group at one mile with my SSG08 (6.5 cm). I wonder why that is, any guesses? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 6.5cm is for pussies that want to shoot shit in the middle of a hurricane at 3.2 miles away. In a real word scenario .308 will do just fine. It has worked for years with no issues. But muh three oh eight! Florida man is happy with .308 because Florida man never had access to ranges over 200 yards. 6.5 cm out shoots .308 at real distances. I have trouble hitting one mile with my SSG04A1 (.308). Yet I can group at one mile with my SSG08 (6.5 cm). I wonder why that is, any guesses? Use of newer technology to overcome lack of ability... |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 3:43:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Disagree, there needs to be a cartridge that can easily defeat level 4 body armor. There is - .50 BMG AP - but it won't penetrate all plates. IIRC there were .50 proof plates in Vietnam and Ireland. There are now Chinese level 4 plates that stop .338 AP at a few hundred meters. NGSW is obsolete. High pressure technology isn't, it can reduce weight and increase velocity. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 3:44:01 PM EDT
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