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Posted: 5/14/2018 2:22:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In any contest of wits between fatboy and Trump, my money is on Trump. I keep seeing all of this defeatist shit based on simplistic notions and lack of particulars by people assuming arbitrarily that there isn't going to be any sort of oversight or cutouts. The days of those guys are, temporarily at least, over. The status quo was going to lead to war, most likely, so if this doesn't pan out, well, what have we lost? I am cautiously optimistic. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 2:33:45 AM EDT
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I wonder at what point we start to care about the whole generational slavery, mass murder, international terrorism, narcotic production, and counterfeiting stuff... This is the absolute epitome of "lay down with dogs, get fleas." ... I hate to say it, but the US does tend to excuse things when a partnership could be beneficial. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 2:41:52 AM EDT
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Another place to send America jobs, and payed for with American tax dollars. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 3:01:53 AM EDT
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Much like the East Germans, only about 1000x worse. They'll have a very hard time adapting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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the NORK citizens will be overwhelmed  Korean Girls Try American BBQ |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 3:10:39 AM EDT
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Fixed People that think China is some sort of mysterious wise empire that plans centuries ahead has never done more than read about China in GD. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 3:20:38 AM EDT
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Point taken. The world was plunged into WWII because the European powers were tired of war and did everything they could to forestall the inevitable. They traded nations and people's lives that were not theirs to trade for "peace in their time." I wonder if we are so war weary, as a nation, that we are making a similar mistake here. I don't know. The fat boy could be playing us. At which time we either wind up back where we started or at war. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 3:41:14 AM EDT
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LOLOL
American companies coming to remake NK.....LOLOL That will be the death of them!!  
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Posted: 5/14/2018 3:51:44 AM EDT
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Trump is a genius. He took the Bush plan and cut out the middle part - where we spend trillions on war - and went straight to the "rebuild them afterwards" part. Genius.  Plus building things to bomb first creates an excuse to use up more munitions thereby creating more jobs for the MIC also. He gets to show his hand as the deal maker, and he mitigates criticism as he can show everything he's done to try to prevent conflict by giving Kim a path to peace. He can't lose no matter what happens. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 6:52:26 AM EDT
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LOL.....Just for laughs the first country off the boat to help them should be the Japanese. They know a thing or three about "helping" Korea.
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Posted: 5/14/2018 6:57:03 AM EDT
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We have always been pretty selective about that kind of thing when it comes to dealing with the crimes of dictatorships. Nazi leadership got raked through the coals and are being hunted down and put on trial to this day. Japan, who committed just as bad of atrocities, pretty much got off easy (besides the nukes and all) and we built them up to our biggest ally in the region. I hate to say it, but the US does tend to excuse things when a partnership could be beneficial. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder at what point we start to care about the whole generational slavery, mass murder, international terrorism, narcotic production, and counterfeiting stuff... This is the absolute epitome of "lay down with dogs, get fleas." ... I hate to say it, but the US does tend to excuse things when a partnership could be beneficial. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 7:01:07 AM EDT
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Hope for the best, prep for the worst and pray.
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Posted: 5/14/2018 7:06:44 AM EDT
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On one hand: fuck North Korea. On the other: this could end up being a real hard counter to China. It'd be a way to steal the Chinese buffer state from them. Interesting. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 7:20:32 AM EDT
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NK is a dismal shithole
Just from the limited footage we have those poor people live horribly. Hospitals with no fucking soap or running water 
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Posted: 5/14/2018 7:26:25 AM EDT
[#14]
As long as it's not our tax dollars and they want some freedom.
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Posted: 5/14/2018 7:53:07 AM EDT
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-- private sector Americans coming in to help build out the energy grid," he said. "They need enormous amounts of electricity in North Korea." They need 1.21 gigawatts to build nukes! Couldnt do it easily before..... Tanks Amewica! We wuv you veddy much! |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 7:56:05 AM EDT
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Hell look at what France did under Nazi occupation. We hung Germans for rounding up Jews but not a single Frenchman was punished in an international court for the same thing. Just following orders was no excuse for Germans but apparently it was all the excuse needed for the French. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder at what point we start to care about the whole generational slavery, mass murder, international terrorism, narcotic production, and counterfeiting stuff... This is the absolute epitome of "lay down with dogs, get fleas." ... I hate to say it, but the US does tend to excuse things when a partnership could be beneficial.  A lot of the time Due Process cam later 
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Posted: 5/14/2018 7:57:32 AM EDT
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Now if Trump pulls off boxing in China that would be some 87d chess
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Posted: 5/14/2018 7:57:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They need 1.21 gigawatts to build nukes! Couldnt do it easily before..... Tanks Amewica! We wuv you veddy much! Tribalist defectors hate this. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 7:59:07 AM EDT
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Always thought we could show NK the path to peace and prosperity.
It could have been done long ago. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 8:09:58 AM EDT
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A nuclear deal that doesn't involve transferring large amounts of cash in the night?  |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 8:13:27 AM EDT
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if their is one thing we are good at it is turning our former enemies into friends, oddly We go to war against you, we kick your ass, we make you surrender, then we pick you up, dust you off, shake your hand, and then start sending you billions of dollars in aid and assistance and start giving you the opportunity to build the stuff that we want to buy even though that means we'll probably be losing manufacturing capability as a result, while you grow yours. America in general is more than happy to make friends even if we have to kick your ass first. 
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Posted: 5/14/2018 8:24:13 AM EDT
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denuke NOKO - win
US companies making money in NOKO - win Geebus. Anti-Trumpers must be shitting themselves. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 8:26:02 AM EDT
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We’ll build them a few McDonald’s, that will plump them all up.
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Posted: 5/14/2018 8:39:10 AM EDT
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And maybe some Kioti tractors from SK to start upping their farming capability.
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Posted: 5/14/2018 8:41:21 AM EDT
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They can keep the USS Pueblo if we can keep their Nukes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We need the USS Pueblo back first. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 8:41:47 AM EDT
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Capitalism is the fix for Communism.
Whodathunk |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 8:55:06 AM EDT
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Stop saying that, China's government is retarded and has been for hundreds of years. They've fucked themselves over and over again with short term thinking. Recently, the Chinese Communist Party is the government that enacted the one child policy without considering the huge imbalance of elderly vs. worker that's coming due now. They built bridges to nowhere and ghost cities just to look good in quarterly reports and maximize graft. They had to shut down billions of dollars worth of steel mills or else evacuate their capital due to the air pollution. And this government has been radically reorganized every generation or so, mutating from one of the world's most orderly power transitions with a ten year term limit to a dictatorship for life within the last six months. The Chinese don't plan for shit. a genetic dead end nothing more |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 8:57:43 AM EDT
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I'm willing to let this play out. The status quo was going to lead to war, most likely, so if this doesn't pan out, well, what have we lost? I am cautiously optimistic. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 8:59:18 AM EDT
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Trump needs this, it will be a great thing on his reelection. He has the Embassy in Jerusalem going and its killing the Libtards
. #Winning, #MAGA, #Get in the box John McCain.
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Posted: 5/14/2018 9:09:42 AM EDT
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We have always been pretty selective about that kind of thing when it comes to dealing with the crimes of dictatorships. Nazi leadership got raked through the coals and are being hunted down and put on trial to this day. Japan, who committed just as bad of atrocities, pretty much got off easy (besides the nukes and all) and we built them up to our biggest ally in the region. I hate to say it, but the US does tend to excuse things when a partnership could be beneficial. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 9:09:54 AM EDT
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US foreign policy is so funny.
North Korea suddenly we're going to open up to and help develop economically. Cuba, screw you we're keeping the embargo and anyone who suggests otherwise is a commie!! I guess the lesson for Cuba was you should have gotten a nuke. Anyway, the administration is making sense here. There's still no way Kim is going to just give up his nukes. (obviously) |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 9:11:10 AM EDT
[#32]
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Another place to send America jobs, and payed for with American tax dollars. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 9:11:44 AM EDT
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Are you kidding? He'll be the Gorbachev of the 21st century. Sure, he probably isn't that clued...but he is smart enough to know that there's no point to continuing the status quo. He probably got images and information about what life is like in South Korea, China, USA, etc and thought... "the fuck?" You never know... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As long the NORKs give up their Nukes & Missiles, which if that happens lil'Rocketman may not be long for this world. Sure, he probably isn't that clued...but he is smart enough to know that there's no point to continuing the status quo. He probably got images and information about what life is like in South Korea, China, USA, etc and thought... "the fuck?" You never know... He also knows that nuclear weapons are the only thing that makes the DPRK relevant to the outside world. So, why give up that leverage? |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 9:13:50 AM EDT
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He was educated in Europe. He knows what's beyond his borders. He also knows that nuclear weapons are the only thing that makes the DPRK relevant to the outside world. So, why give up that leverage? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As long the NORKs give up their Nukes & Missiles, which if that happens lil'Rocketman may not be long for this world. Sure, he probably isn't that clued...but he is smart enough to know that there's no point to continuing the status quo. He probably got images and information about what life is like in South Korea, China, USA, etc and thought... "the fuck?" You never know... He also knows that nuclear weapons are the only thing that makes the DPRK relevant to the outside world. So, why give up that leverage? |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 9:13:57 AM EDT
[#35]
Boy, you think Chinese labor is cheap.
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Posted: 5/14/2018 9:14:49 AM EDT
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Shouldn't North Korea be helping us? Don't we have to eat birds and snow and tree bark or some shit like that? How will the North Korean people react once they know the truth? |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 9:20:43 AM EDT
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I don't' believe this will happen, honestly.
North Korean dictators have held on to power by isolating their people and demonizing the West. If companies come in and set up shop, then the Norks will see that they've been repressed and starved for decades. After that, they'll work to overthrown Lil' Kim. For the dictators to stay in charge, they can't let their citizens see how the rest of the world lives. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 9:22:24 AM EDT
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my thought exactly. First order of business, before any American companies went there, would be to revamp all their laws. i.e. no more life prison sentence for folding a picture of dear leader, etc. Some serious changes are coming if they really push this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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On one hand: fuck North Korea. On the other: this could end up being a real hard counter to China. It'd be a way to steal the Chinese buffer state from them. Interesting. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 10:13:09 AM EDT
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I don't' believe this will happen, honestly. North Korean dictators have held on to power by isolating their people and demonizing the West. If companies come in and set up shop, then the Norks will see that they've been repressed and starved for decades. After that, they'll work to overthrown Lil' Kim. For the dictators to stay in charge, they can't let their citizens see how the rest of the world lives. It's common enough that the police are said to have turned a blind eye to it. A handful of people get busted hard every so often to make a point but not enough to prevent most people from doing it discretely. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 10:17:17 AM EDT
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A nuclear deal that doesn't involve transferring large amounts of cash in the night? |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 11:53:54 AM EDT
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lol
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Posted: 5/14/2018 1:05:05 PM EDT
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We'll put a McDonalds Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We need the USS Pueblo back first. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 6:54:36 PM EDT
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They won't give a shit when dear leader helps get them 3 meals a day, a Iphone and a Walmart. Build a stable NK, set up some factories to build stuff at cheap labor cost and feed and possible House your employees. For NK and some American buisness, this has $$$$ and winning written all over it. Walmart with be making money hand over fist with their NK made Yeti copycat stuff etc. And If the build worker communities even more loyalty with 3 hits and a cot and a paycheck. Other countries see this and they set up shop in NK. Dear leader is fat and happy and rolling in the $$$$ Hell He May even be Time Man of the Year. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 6:56:12 PM EDT
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Do we have a list of what companies?
I would like to buy some stock. If this peach and reunification thing comes to fruition... |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 7:29:49 PM EDT
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Jeez I wonder why?
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Posted: 5/14/2018 7:55:39 PM EDT
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I wonder at what point we start to care about the whole generational slavery, mass murder, international terrorism, narcotic production, and counterfeiting stuff... This is the absolute epitome of "lay down with dogs, get fleas." Does anyone think NK won't use this as an excuse to steal a bunch of our tech (just like China), infiltrate our nation with spies of their own (just like China), and ultimately nationalize whatever investment we make over there (like has been done many, many times in shithole communist states)? Meanwhile, we won't be able to saber-rattle at them for any reason, because we're now at "peace," so they can continue terrorizing South Korea and conducting large scale criminal acts. At 'peace,' the pro-China/pro-Nork South Korean factions will be emboldened to reject the continued US presence in the region; we won't be "needed" any more. NK won't be profitable for anyone but Un so long as he sits in that chair. I think if NK's government collapsed we could see a veritable golden age as all that untapped social potential is finally freed to pursue profitable activities vs. cheering a fat man, but anything short of that really isn't worth our time. We don't need to bribe the Kims to have influence over the peninsula. I had been wondering what Trump had given away to NK in exchange for their 'unilateral de-nuclearization.' Billions of dollars of cash for an enemy nation on its last legs as part of some "save the world" nuclear deal; where have we seen this story, recently? This is playing out EXACTLY like Clinton, Bush, and Obama. We'll even get to see them demolish some outmoded enrichment facility they're no longer using, I hear. Just like the last time. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 7:57:02 PM EDT
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The US is being played. They will take everything we offer, then walk away from the deal. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 7:58:42 PM EDT
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Well they’ve been around longer than pretty much any nation so I guess they have the super duper mega long game in mind especially since they make so many retarded short sighted decisions. People that think China is some sort of mysterious wise empire that plans centuries ahead has never done more than read about China in GD. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fixed People that think China is some sort of mysterious wise empire that plans centuries ahead has never done more than read about China in GD. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 7:58:43 PM EDT
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I believe it finally dawned on Fat Boy that he could not win with his 'bluster and threaten' routine, and meanwhile his people, even his military, was starving to death in his bid for military might. So, now he's going to try the 'Benevolent Hero of The People' bit by actually getting some food to eat for them...and it will work. 
The response from China will be interesting. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 8:03:53 PM EDT
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To be fair, he has to know about it first. If the NRA isn't telling him about it, he's not going to do it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He could dismiss the barrel import ban tonight. |
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