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Posted: 1/8/2019 9:40:56 PM EDT
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Hipster music, middle-aged saggy boobs, and shooting from a boat. Yep, that's a noveske propaganda video. |
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Posted: 1/8/2019 9:44:46 PM EDT
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Too soy for me anymore.
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Posted: 1/8/2019 9:46:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I do need a gunboat with steel targets on the shoreline Wonder if Jeremy Clarkson has seen this yet? |
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Posted: 1/8/2019 10:55:17 PM EDT
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I've always admired the brand but decided to be poor elsewhere. The one rifle I handle seemed solid and we'll built.
Until I realized it was a 556 and not a 762 gun. |
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Posted: 1/8/2019 11:32:02 PM EDT
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It seems like they are targeting the hipster, antifa, Portland crowd. Which is fine, there is probably room for huge growth in that segment. But how many of them can actually afford those prices? I was hoping to talk about the features listed and only posted the video because the email says "click here for video" and knew everyone would ask for it. |
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Posted: 1/8/2019 11:33:04 PM EDT
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Huh, I had the exact same takeaway. Wonder if Jeremy Clarkson has seen this yet? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I do need a gunboat with steel targets on the shoreline Wonder if Jeremy Clarkson has seen this yet? |
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Posted: 1/9/2019 5:07:59 AM EDT
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Nice rifles, but not “north of $2500” rifles even with an ambi lower.
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Posted: 1/9/2019 5:52:46 AM EDT
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No John no interest, YMMV. Almost 6 years to the day, RIP. |
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Posted: 1/9/2019 6:00:04 AM EDT
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They make fantastic products, the problem is that they're priced completely retarded.
They've priced themselves alongside LMT. And frankly, in the price range, nobody is making anything better than LMT's MRP/MLC series. KAC is competitive, but not better. |
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Posted: 1/9/2019 6:55:49 AM EDT
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Well, I guess Gen 4 is supposed to be light, but so is the video.
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Posted: 1/9/2019 7:22:42 AM EDT
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The fuck did I just watch?!?! 
Wow, Noveske has taken a turn...
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Posted: 1/9/2019 7:27:20 AM EDT
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I consider the Noveske and KAC brands the same in quality. While KAC is actually field proven and doesn’t need commercial marketing. The Noveske marketing is
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Posted: 1/9/2019 7:52:01 AM EDT
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I consider the Noveske and KAC brands the same in quality. While KAC is actually field proven and doesn’t need commercial marketing. The Noveske marketing is . It’s silly like Sigs Tread garbage videos.Noveske just makes a really good AR-15. That's it. You can get lots of really good AR-15s. KAC, and LMT for example are actually doing things like longer cam pin tracks (LMT), radiused bolt lugs (KAC), relief cuts on bolt lugs (LMT), dual spring lobster tail extractors (both), better bolt materials (both), redesigned gas systems (both), one piece chassis and user serviceable barrels (LMT), and shit like that. Noveske just... make a really good AR-15. And they're really good, don't get me wrong, but they're just AR-15s. If I'm paying over $2,000 for an AR-15, I want real engineering that improves accuracy, durability, reliability, modularity, or user serviceability in some tangible way. Great materials, and quality control are a great start, but it's not $2,000 good. A Colt 6920 SOCOM is just as reliable and mechanically accurate as a Noveske N4, all things considered. And the N4 costs way more. |
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Posted: 1/9/2019 7:59:10 AM EDT
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Is that video some kind of parody or is it really just that bad? |
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Posted: 1/9/2019 7:59:26 AM EDT
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That Youtube video alone would put them on my no-buy list for life.
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Posted: 1/9/2019 7:59:41 AM EDT
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I think their marketing has gotten a bit much, each video is a little more so. I do still enjoy them in an odd way though, and can attest to their rifles shooting amazingly well. I have an afghan from when John was still on the earth, it's flat amazing!! But their prices need to come down, this isn't the AR market of years ago and most people are happy with a PSA carbine for $400.
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Posted: 1/9/2019 8:05:02 AM EDT
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Man you guys are really triggered by flannel. Now, it can just as easily mean you're a sheep, or take it in the ass or like it when your GF kisses you with a mouthful of your own jizz. |
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Posted: 1/9/2019 8:12:57 AM EDT
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You want to see a Noveske video from when John was around, you are welcome;  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmliCMvcaq0The true test is to pull that 300 round full-auto BS followed by immediate accurate slow-fire on a paper target at 50-100 meters. If it can still pull 1 MOA after that ammo dump, that's an accomplishment. But for all we know the barrel is shot out and couldn't hold 10 MOA, let alone 1 MOA. But we'll never know because he didn't test it. So, what did he prove? That the hand guard didn't catch fire or melt? BFD. |
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Posted: 1/9/2019 8:20:58 AM EDT
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I'll go be poor somewhere else 
There's absolutely no reason for an AR to be that expensive. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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hipster rifles that cost 3x too much
There's absolutely no reason for an AR to be that expensive. And have you ever known a govt. purchasing agency to go with the best deal? Do police and military buyers use sealed bids and go with the cheapest? I don't think police do, that's for sure. And it could very well be outrageously expensive because large discounts are assumed to entice purchase in bulk. i.e. "The $8,000 retail price is not for you! No, for you, if you purchase more than 10 they're $3,999 each. Purchase 50 and they're $1,999 each." |
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Posted: 1/9/2019 8:22:01 AM EDT
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Probably equal in quality. But when Noveske does douchebag advertising, they aren't insulting members on this board and attacking former industry partners instead of adapting to the market place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Better than a LaRue? But when Noveske does douchebag advertising, they aren't insulting members on this board and attacking former industry partners instead of adapting to the market place. |
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Posted: 1/9/2019 8:24:37 AM EDT
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I can build an ultimate AR with a Larue UU kit, Radian Ambi billet lower, Noveske stainless barrel, nitrided JP BCG with 9310 improved bolt, etc., that will be super-reliable, super-durable, and super-accurate, all for $1800 (before sights/optics).
If' I'm spending north of $2K, I want a KAC with it's E3 bolt, CHF barrel, and improved gas system. |
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Posted: 1/9/2019 8:26:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What attack was this? |
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Posted: 1/9/2019 8:35:08 AM EDT
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They make fantastic products, the problem is that they're priced completely retarded. They've priced themselves alongside LMT. And frankly, in the price range, nobody is making anything better than LMT's MRP/MLC series. KAC is competitive, but not better. |
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Posted: 1/9/2019 8:41:41 AM EDT
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For those around age 30 and up maybe but Gen Z is a whole different ball game. Army recruiting getting its shit pushed in while learning that the hard way Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Let me introduce you to marketing in the 21st century, friend. A 2016 U.S. study found that church attendance during young adulthood was 41% among Generation Z, compared to 18 percent for Millennials at the same ages, 21 percent of Generation X, and 26 percent of Baby Boomers.[57]
Generation Z is generally more risk-averse in certain activities than earlier generations. In 2013, 66% of teenagers (older members of Generation Z) had tried alcohol, down from 82% in 1991. Also in 2013, 8% of teenagers never or rarely wear a seat belt when riding in a car with someone else, as opposed to 26% in 1991.[58] Research from the Annie E. Casey Foundation conducted in 2016 found Generation Z youth had lower teen pregnancy rates, less substance abuse, and higher on-time high school graduation rates compared with Millennials. The researchers compared teens from 2008 and 2014 and found a 40% drop in teen pregnancy, a 38% drop in drug and alcohol abuse, and a 28% drop in the percentage of teens who did not graduate on time from high school.[59][60] If the prime Boomer cohort produced the Millennials, the late Boomer cohort and Gen X produced Gen Z. That's true in my case. Depending on who you believe, I am a late Boomer or a Gen Xer. My daughter is Gen Z. So, the 60's hippie, "me generation" produced the hated Millennials, but the hippie-hating, late Boomer 80's generation produced Gen Z. Now it all makes sense. 
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Posted: 1/9/2019 8:43:51 AM EDT
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Seriously, that was a pretty bad video.
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Posted: 1/9/2019 9:18:12 AM EDT
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Wow, lots of hipster douchebaggery in that video. I must be a fudd.
 
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Posted: 1/9/2019 9:34:36 AM EDT
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Aw sweet, it's even got a Guntec rail. Best rail for under $100, IMO. |
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Posted: 1/9/2019 9:36:18 AM EDT
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huh? because they aren't fat guys drinking bud lite they're antifa? some of you are beyond hope. I bet you have a nervous breakdown if you drive past a starbucks. I was hoping to talk about the features listed and only posted the video because the email says "click here for video" and knew everyone would ask for it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It seems like they are targeting the hipster, antifa, Portland crowd. Which is fine, there is probably room for huge growth in that segment. But how many of them can actually afford those prices? I was hoping to talk about the features listed and only posted the video because the email says "click here for video" and knew everyone would ask for it. |
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Posted: 1/9/2019 9:37:05 AM EDT
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No John no interest, YMMV. Almost 6 years to the day, RIP. Also like 10 years too late to the game for featureslike full ambi |
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Posted: 1/9/2019 9:37:54 AM EDT
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I want the ambi lower (as long as it is similar to ADM prices) and I really like their barrels (I have an Afghan) but their rifles are the same price as KAC which is way too much for what they are I think. |
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Posted: 1/9/2019 9:38:10 AM EDT
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lol they misspelled available at the end
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Posted: 1/9/2019 9:39:20 AM EDT
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I remember when the name Noveske evoked a sense of awe and wonder on this site. My how times have changed. The race to the bottom is complete. Cheap garbage now rules the day. |
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Posted: 1/9/2019 9:40:20 AM EDT
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What about Stoner? KAC: No Eugene Stoner, no interest. YMMV. DPMS: No Randy Luth, no interest. YMMV. Is that the criteria? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No John no interest, YMMV. Almost 6 years to the day, RIP. KAC: No Eugene Stoner, no interest. YMMV. DPMS: No Randy Luth, no interest. YMMV. Is that the criteria? But luckily no problem there |
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Posted: 1/9/2019 9:43:31 AM EDT
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I consider the Noveske and KAC brands the same in quality. While KAC is actually field proven and doesn’t need commercial marketing. The Noveske marketing is . It’s silly like Sigs Tread garbage videos.Edit: If noveske had Daniel defense like prices they would probably sell a gazillion times better |
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Posted: 1/9/2019 9:47:46 AM EDT
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I love my Noveskes but it looks like they've seen too many SilencerCo vids.
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Posted: 1/9/2019 9:53:53 AM EDT
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KAC has actual upgrades and innovation, aren't noveske rifles just a boutique gun essentially? Edit: If noveske had Daniel defense like prices they would probably sell a gazillion times better 18" LaRue Stealth with M4 feed ramps and gas block: $314 18" Noveske ss SPR with M4 feed ramps and gas block: $465 ETA: since the Noveske comes with M4 feed ramps and its own unique gas block, I compared the Stealth with same features to keep apples to apples. I have an 18" SPR complete upper from before John's death, it is a laser beam. |
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Posted: 1/9/2019 10:13:43 AM EDT
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that was the douchiest gun video i've seen in a while Hopefully the crew is at least having fun I guess |
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Posted: 1/9/2019 10:35:55 AM EDT
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entertaining video but (a) it's full of young doofy Millennial guys who think "I grew a beard" = "I am masculine," and (b) it told NOTHING about the actual qualities of Gen 4 that would make anyone consider buying it.
I guess they want to identify with hipster Millennials. Hope it works out for them. Will be interesting to see how many $2600 rifles they sell to the generation of "I'm so broke, my student loan payments are so big that I cannot afford to buy a house or a car, so I live with my parents and Uber everywhere." ETA: I know nothing more about the Gen 4 rifles than I did before I watched the video, except that people use them then throw them away... |
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Posted: 1/9/2019 3:23:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ETA: I know nothing more about the Gen 4 rifles than I did before I watched the video, except that people use them then throw them away... |
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Posted: 1/9/2019 5:25:44 PM EDT
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I will laugh everytime i see or hear noveske from now on.
They’ve just become laughingstock. |
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