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Posted: 5/29/2013 11:12:44 AM EST
With the demise of Global Warming, exposed as a fraud by the UEA fiasco, and cooling temperatures since 1996; and with the failure of the follow on names of "Global Climate Disruption" and "Global Climate Change" which collapsed with the veracity of the GCMs, we are reduced to this:

Forget Global Warming, just speak of the evils of Greenhouse Gasses


Link Posted: 5/29/2013 11:13:20 AM EST
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Mother of God
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 11:22:42 AM EST
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Meanwhile Al Gore is sitting in his mansion, laughing at all the gullible dolts out there...



THANK YOU, YOU GULLIBLE DOLTS.
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 11:23:11 AM EST
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I thought you had to burn that clutter out pretty frequently or it got over-grown and became a huge fire hazard.  Don't tell me the Fed's have fucked this simple equation up too?
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 11:25:36 AM EST
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Link to concrete climate change debunking please.

Are vaccines evil too?
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 11:28:48 AM EST
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Link to concrete climate change adverse impacts of greenhouse gasses debunking please.

Are vaccines evil too?


Check the OP for hints, then go to Google.

Vaccines are a necessary component of herd management.  Are you trying to change the subject?

Haha, the underlying theology of the Church of Global Warming is anything but concrete.


As predicted so long ago, the Landscheidt Minimum is upon us.
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 11:29:38 AM EST
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Meanwhile Al Gore is sitting in his POWER HUNGRY mansion, laughing at all the gullible dolts out there...

http://www.freewebs.com/targetblog/Al_Gore.jpg

THANK YOU, YOU GULLIBLE DOLTS.


FIFY

Link Posted: 5/29/2013 11:34:27 AM EST
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I thought you had to burn that clutter out pretty frequently or it got over-grown and became a huge fire hazard.  Don't tell me the Fed's have fucked this simple equation up too?


Natural burning is a part of forestation. Frequent unnatural burning is harmful to the ecosystem.

We recreate natural burning in areas because we prevent unnatural burning at the same time.
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 11:34:29 AM EST
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Link to concrete climate change debunking please.

Are vaccines evil too?


You can't be serious.


Wait........you're serious?
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 11:35:00 AM EST
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Meanwhile Al Gore is sitting in his POWER HUNGRY mansion, laughing at all the gullible dolts out there...

http://www.freewebs.com/targetblog/Al_Gore.jpg

THANK YOU, YOU GULLIBLE DOLTS.


FIFY



Tru dat; I swear that every time I hear that "The Earth has a fever" Schpiel he said once; I want to find him and punch him in the mouth; so he can get a 10,000 dollar dental job to match his 300 dollar haircuts.
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 11:35:38 AM EST
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I wish he'd lived to see this.

Link Posted: 5/29/2013 11:37:06 AM EST
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Link to concrete climate change debunking please.

Are vaccines evil too?


You can't be serious.


Wait........you're serious?


I'm afraid he is.  And he votes!

Link Posted: 5/29/2013 11:38:01 AM EST
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Link to concrete climate change debunking please.



Are vaccines evil too?


Weapons grade stupid.





 
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 11:39:00 AM EST
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Meh....no problem all the increased hurricanes caused by anthropogenic warming will put the increased fires caused by anthropogenic warming right out.
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 11:40:05 AM EST
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Link to concrete climate change debunking please.

Are vaccines evil too?


Thought I might get in before this type of post.  Guess not.
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 11:41:31 AM EST
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Took 41 seconds before I realized this wasn't a joke.

Link Posted: 5/29/2013 11:46:07 AM EST
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Link to concrete climate change debunking please.



Are vaccines evil too?


You know how I know you're stupid?

 
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 11:46:36 AM EST
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In his mother's basement, out of sight, our suspect furiously googles "debunking Landscheidt" . . . . . . . . .



And comes up with:
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 11:50:11 AM EST
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Link to concrete climate change debunking please.



Are vaccines evil too?


humans contribute to climate change, the problem is it has always been oversold

 



one example: For years they've been screaming that if we didn't do something, by the year 2100 the ave temp would have gone up by 6 degrees.  That level of change in the next century would be very hard for us to cope with.   They have since settled on a more realistic number of 2 degrees, which is a lot easier to deal with.




Climate alarmism has been debunked.    




Climate change is real, but crippling our industry is the wrong way to go to fix it.   We need technology to cope with the any future climate change (whether its a much hotter or much cooler earth)






Link Posted: 5/29/2013 11:50:46 AM EST
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... and cooling temperatures since 1996...



i've seen climate data showing a lack of statistically significant warming since 1996, but i have not seen data that show cooling.  could you link to that data please?

 
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 11:52:16 AM EST
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Quoted:


Link to concrete climate change debunking please.



Are vaccines evil too?


And mothman is real.  Nice strawman there junkie.  How about you debate the facts before I stomp your fragile psyche into the manure pile?
 
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 11:53:21 AM EST
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... and cooling temperatures since 1996...

i've seen climate data showing a lack of statistically significant warming since 1996, but i have not seen data that show cooling.  could you link to that data please?  


Sift through the NASA satellite data.  Here.

And if you like charts, look here.

Link Posted: 5/29/2013 11:53:39 AM EST
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What sun cycles control the warming and cooling of a planet no way!
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 11:57:02 AM EST
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This hangs in my office:



On Landscheidt:

He was a scientist that predicted the current lack of sunspot activity in cycle 24 and the prospect of much colder times ahead. The climate experts of the time predicted a cycle 24 sunspot maximum as high as those in the preceding cycles but that was not the opinion of Theodor Landscheidt.

Its not hard now to understand who won that scientific argument. A lack of sunspot activity continues through the first few months of 2009. Last year was the blankest sun in the last century and the year before was also documented in the top ten. Theodor Landscheidt was spot on in his prediction of the current lack of the activity of the sun.

His last paper would be published one year before his death in 2004, and the title of his work shows that despite all the propaganda, there never was a scientific consensus on man-made global warming. The title of Landscheidt’s last paper is also his prediction: “Little Ice Age Instead of Global Warming”.

The research behind the paper and the prediction was completed about a decade ago, around the time that global climate computer models were predicting continued global warming for the first decade of the 21st century. A climate change outcome that becomes more absurd with each passing day.

The truth is that the predictions of Theodor Landscheidt were often correct. Using the dependable forecasts of the suns activity, based on solar cycles, made it possible for Landscheidt to correctly predict climatic phenomena well ahead of actual events.

His predictions based on the suns activity included the end of the great Sahelian drought; as well as a period of drought in the U.S.A. around 1999. He predicted the last five global temperature anomalies; the last three El Niños; and the course of the last La Niña prior to his death.

Landscheidt calculated the change in the torque on the sun caused by the planets over time and theorized this accelerated and decelerated the solar transport in the solar core which in turn affected the solar activity which manifested itself in sun spots.

So, he theorized that the next process of solar braking would start in 1990 and that solar cycle 24 would be of a Maunder minimum character with a deep minimum occurring in the year 2022 and again in 2030. If he is correct, there are going to be much colder times just ahead.
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 11:58:08 AM EST
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Did your kid draw that?

Link Posted: 5/29/2013 11:58:38 AM EST
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If the truth stopped them, they wouldn't be around.  The will never stop man, they want to control everything that you do.  They will just move on to the next hot topic that the general populace eats up 'for their own good'.

And if you have to ask who 'they' is...hmmm....
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 11:59:00 AM EST
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... and cooling temperatures since 1996...



i've seen climate data showing a lack of statistically significant warming since 1996, but i have not seen data that show cooling.  could you link to that data please?  




Sift through the NASA satellite data.  Here.



And if you like charts, look here.


I like you .  Want to grab a drink?



The climate is controlled by water vapor, not carbon dioxide.



 
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 11:59:05 AM EST
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Guess I must have missed something, "Global warming" hasn't been debunked.




Link Posted: 5/29/2013 12:00:23 PM EST
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Guess I must have missed something, "Global warming" hasn't been debunked.








And it has never been "bunked" in the first place.  Hypothesis based on incomplete understanding of atmospheric physics.





 
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 12:04:27 PM EST
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Allow logging in the "natural" parks.  It helps create fire breaks and produces an opportunity to sequester MORE CO2 through new growth.   In Georgia wild fires were part of the natural process of long-leaf pine forest.  In some of the remaining stands they actually set "wild fires" to help the forest.  



The underlying message from these "mud-hut" environmentalist is that humans are bad.  They want to do anything and everything they can to make it harder for humans.  




There are sensible compromises.  




Perhaps we shouldn't fight so many "wild fires".  We need to let them burn and save the money.  Fire is part of the natural cycle. If people are in high risk areas they need to take precautions.  Either do what they can to prevent wildfires from getting close to their homes, or move.   People who decide to build on the coast deal with nature in much the same way.    
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 12:04:32 PM EST
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Bueller?
 
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 12:05:04 PM EST
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How is is the logging industry doing in the areas they are talking about?  I've heard that logging can help reducing such fires.



Any downtick in the number acres logged that may be correlating to these busy fire seasons?
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 12:05:42 PM EST
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Link to concrete climate change debunking please.

Are vaccines evil too?



LOL   !!!

wait what?



Link Posted: 5/29/2013 12:05:49 PM EST
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Guess I must have missed something, "Global warming" hasn't been debunked.


And is has never been "bunked" in the first place.  Hypothesis based on incomplete understanding of atmospheric physics.
 


A legacy of failed computer models, academic fraud, fudged data, secrecy, and bullying.

The entire climate record, as "created" and maintained by UEA CRU is a fraud.  Use it as a foundation, you're a fraud.

Oh, yea, that as "bunked" as it's ever been.
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 12:05:52 PM EST
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Guess I must have missed something, "Global warming" hasn't been debunked.





And it has never been "bunked" in the first place.  Hypothesis based on incomplete understanding of atmospheric physics.

 
Well, apparently most scientists in the field don't agree with you.





 
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 12:06:31 PM EST
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Guess I must have missed something, "Global warming" hasn't been debunked.








And is has never been "bunked" in the first place.  Hypothesis based on incomplete understanding of atmospheric physics.


 






A legacy of failed computer models, academic fraud, fudged data, secrecy, and bullying.





The entire climate record, as "created" and maintained by UEA CRU is a fraud.  Use it as a foundation, you're a fraud.





Oh, yea, that as "bunked" as it's ever been.



"Its a conspiracy"









ETA::Love these threads because they prove my sig line.  If you guys don't believe in global warming, how come you come you try so hard to dry to discredit it?  You must hate climatologists and AGW so much.









 
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 12:08:22 PM EST
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How is is the logging industry doing in the areas they are talking about?  I've heard that logging can help reducing such fires.



Any downtick in the number acres logged that may be correlating to these busy fire seasons?


Logged acreage IS better managed.  Local fire control is able to respond quicker thanks to roads built to haul timber.  Undergrowth is managed which reduces the chances of fire crowning.  



A few years ago, a forest in central Texas burned horribly because it was extensively protected to include removal of forest litter.  Areas of this forest in private hands fared much better.



I wait VT's response with regards to forestry practices and wildfires.



 
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 12:10:14 PM EST
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Guess I must have missed something, "Global warming" hasn't been debunked.





And it has never been "bunked" in the first place.  Hypothesis based on incomplete understanding of atmospheric physics.

 
Well, apparently most scientists in the field don't agree with you.



 


They may be scientists but they cannot explain in less than 1000 words the cause of each layer of the atmosphere.  Nor do they have any rigorous studies in heat transfer or thermodynamics.  



These are socially promoted sophomores.  They learned how to run before they knew how to crawl.  



 
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 12:11:42 PM EST
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Quoted:

Link to concrete climate change debunking please.



Are vaccines evil too?


And mothman is real.  Nice strawman there junkie.  How about you debate the facts before I stomp your fragile psyche into the manure pile?





 


Do it!



Just for fun, please, please, please



 
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 12:14:11 PM EST
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Forests are the ultimate renewable resource.   Trees are awesome, use them, they grow back.  
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 12:17:34 PM EST
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Link Posted: 5/29/2013 12:18:47 PM EST
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Link Posted: 5/29/2013 12:20:38 PM EST
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Guess I must have missed something, "Global warming" hasn't been debunked.


And it has never been "bunked" in the first place.  Hypothesis based on incomplete understanding of atmospheric physics.
 
Well, apparently most scientists in the field don't agree with you.

 


Yea, the very guys the poured the sum total of their intellect into their failed models.

Hockey Stick, anyone?

Singer at MIT says its all crap.  And, he accurately predicted the failure of the GCMs.
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 12:24:32 PM EST
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As The Economist magazine reported in March, “The world added roughly 100 billion tonnes of carbon to the atmosphere between 2000 and 2010. That is about a quarter of all the CO2 put there by humanity since 1750.” Yet, still no significant warming occurred during that time. That is because the CO2 greenhouse effect is weak and marginal compared to natural causes of global temperature changes.

There is no proof that the observed warming from roughly 1970 until 2000 was caused by anthropogenic sources...there is no causal link and the climate models are revised continually because the predicted events never matches measurable data.
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 12:24:51 PM EST
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... and cooling temperatures since 1996...



i've seen climate data showing a lack of statistically significant warming since 1996, but i have not seen data that show cooling.  could you link to that data please?  




Sift through the NASA satellite data.  Here.



And if you like charts, look here.





ok, cool.  so you're saying that NASA produces reliable temperature records.  just wondering where you stood.

 
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 12:28:00 PM EST
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Guess I must have missed something, "Global warming" hasn't been debunked.





And it has never been "bunked" in the first place.  Hypothesis based on incomplete understanding of atmospheric physics.

 
Well, apparently most scientists in the field don't agree with you.



 




Yea, the very guys the poured the sum total of their intellect into their failed models.



Hockey Stick, anyone?



Singer at MIT says its all crap.  And, he accurately predicted the failure of the GCMs.


Oh, so we shouldn't believe most scientists, but believe one guy at MIT, because he is smarter.



Oh okay, makes sense.



 
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 12:28:44 PM EST
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Guess I must have missed something, "Global warming" hasn't been debunked.


And it has never been "bunked" in the first place.  Hypothesis based on incomplete understanding of atmospheric physics.
 
Well, apparently most scientists in the field don't agree with you.

 




Beat yourself
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 12:28:57 PM EST
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Guess I must have missed something, "Global warming" hasn't been debunked.





And it has never been "bunked" in the first place.  Hypothesis based on incomplete understanding of atmospheric physics.

 
Well, apparently most scientists in the field don't agree with you.



 


They may be scientists but they cannot explain in less than 1000 words the cause of each layer of the atmosphere.  Nor do they have any rigorous studies in heat transfer or thermodynamics.  



These are socially promoted sophomores.  They learned how to run before they knew how to crawl.  

 
If only you could publish a paper explaining why they are wrong, it would be pretty epic.





 
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 12:29:11 PM EST
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Forests are the ultimate renewable resource.   Trees are awesome, use them, they grow back.  


Wood grows IN trees .



Now, on the nature of the atmosphere...



The Troposphere is named as such because it is MIXING.  Convection is the primary heat transfer mode, mean free path is measured in microns thanks to the effects of a thick atmosphere laden with water vapor.  There is a lapse rate based on heat rejection to overlaying atmosphere which is inversely proportional to water vapor concentration which decreases with altitude.



The Stratosphere is named because it is STRATIFIED.  Much like a thermocline in a lake/ocean.  Heat rises.  Mean free path is measured  in millimeters and water vapor concentration is  uniform and low.  Heat rejection is naturally greatest at the Stratopause, the altitude of greatest temperature and approach to zero in the temperature rate of change.



The Mesosphere again sees a lapse rate but due to mean free path increasing to centimeters.  Here is where radiational heat rejection dominates.  Guess what?  Only sounding rockets can study this layer.  Yet the hubris laden climate "scientists" think they know EVERYTHING on how the climate functions.  Balderdash.  They don't even have a good idea of heat rejection at the Stratopause.  



So now, if you THINK the climate is controlled  at the lowest boundary layer, guess again.  You don't know how to create a representative model.  



 
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 12:29:40 PM EST
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Guess I must have missed something, "Global warming" hasn't been debunked.





And it has never been "bunked" in the first place.  Hypothesis based on incomplete understanding of atmospheric physics.

 
Well, apparently most scientists in the field don't agree with you.



 








Beat yourself


You are telling me to masturbate?  



Thats...uh...odd.



 
Link Posted: 5/29/2013 12:31:10 PM EST
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Its been known for a long time that whatever the climate is doing, its not a simple function of the sun.





 
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