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Posted: 7/31/2022 11:49:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To be honest, I don’t understand why the head of Ferrari and the board aren’t lopping off heads. Binotto must have pictures of them with hookers and blow. Getting rid of Binotto himself won’t do much, because he isn’t crunching the strategy, but they also need to sack the strategy team. Every other team, including perennial backmarkers like Williams, run better strategy than Ferrari. It’s gone for Ferrari for this year. Just need to face that. Dump Binotto and the strategy team, and come back and win next year. Don’t think I can stand listening to Binotto spewing out the standard excuses. It was cold. The tires sucked. Blah blah. Because the real head of Ferrari after montezemolo was marchionne and after he died we only got retards from the Agnelli family. The day Marchionne died, Horner and toto opened the champagne |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 11:58:53 AM EST
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Dear Ferrari strategists:
You can be right or you can be winners. Now shut up and listen to your drivers. |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 12:01:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd just like to congratulate Max on his second World Championship. Verstappen will pass Schumacher as the driver with the most World Championships. |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 12:08:39 PM EST
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Fucking Ferrari. We were supposed to have an exciting RB v Ferrari match up this year.
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Posted: 7/31/2022 12:13:37 PM EST
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At this point i don’t even want Ferrari to fire the strategists and fix their issues.
Imagine being perfect for the rest of the season and winning all races while still losing the championship. How many races so far in which they had arguably the faster car and they literally threw it away. Today was even worse than monaco because there was no element of surprise. They had all night to think about the strategy. I am still sooo mad. Also everybody blamed Charles for his mistake last week. Well, Verstappen did the same today and got lucky to lose nothing from it. In the end he also made another mistake in Barcelona that costed him nothing either. In the end on term of driving mistakes it’s a 2vs2 in between leclerc and Verstappen. |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 12:15:29 PM EST
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Jean Todt is probably a hundred but is there anyway to bring him and Brawn back?
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Posted: 7/31/2022 12:17:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jean Todt is probably a hundred but is there anyway to bring him and Brawn back? In term of strategy flipping a coin would bing better results than What Iniaki Rueda is doing. |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 12:22:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At this point i don’t even want Ferrari to fire the strategists and fix their issues. Imagine being perfect for the rest of the season and winning all races while still losing the championship. How many races so far in which they had arguably the faster car and they literally threw it away. Today was even worse than monaco because there was no element of surprise. They had all night to think about the strategy. I am still sooo mad. Also everybody blamed Charles for his mistake last week. Well, Verstappen did the same today and got lucky to lose nothing from it. Lost a place to Lercler and got overtaken again by Max. In the end he also made another mistake in Barcelona that costed him nothing either. In the end on term of driving mistakes it’s a 2vs2 in between leclerc and Verstappen. |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 12:27:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you are telling me that tires that were damaged by a spin and older than Leclercs were still faster than the piece of shit hards that they put on Leclercs car, and which everybody knew they would be since they were mounted on the alpines ? LoL Yeah, thanks for confirming me that Max driving mistake costed him NADA, thanks to the geniuses At Ferrari box |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 12:31:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jean Todt is probably a hundred but is there anyway to bring him and Brawn back?  |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 12:46:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jean Todt is probably a hundred but is there anyway to bring him and Brawn back? After MSC joined the team in 1996, the core was formed, and di Montezemolo kept the team insulated. Something changed in 2006, and we got to see Schumacher's retirement publicized (surprise!) by the team... followed by Brawn, and shortly afterwards by Todt. There was a palace coup, and the Scuderia was the prize. There followed a succession of team principals; Domicali is a businessman. Mattiacci is an economist. Arrivabene is marketing. Binotto is an engineer. Ferrari is in this to sell cars - as opposed to building cars to support racing. Now that the business holds the reins, I wouldn't be shocked if Binotto gets instructions from the boardroom during the race. Ferrari has zero hunger for competition, nor will they take any risk. It's more important to maximize on track screen time. I think 1996 - 2006 at Ferrari was lightning in a bottle, and even bringing back 2/3'ds of the dream team is unlikely to make any difference. Honestly, I don't think Brawn or Todt would come back under the current management. m |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 1:06:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To be honest, I don’t understand why the head of Ferrari and the board aren’t lopping off heads. Binotto must have pictures of them with hookers and blow. Getting rid of Binotto himself won’t do much, because he isn’t crunching the strategy, but they also need to sack the strategy team. Every other team, including perennial backmarkers like Williams, run better strategy than Ferrari. It’s gone for Ferrari for this year. Just need to face that. Dump Binotto and the strategy team, and come back and win next year. Don’t think I can stand listening to Binotto spewing out the standard excuses. It was cold. The tires sucked. Blah blah. The “traditional” Ferrari issue was a revolving door fueled by anyone who screwed up. Now the pendulum has swung the other direction. The Ferrari system has been broken for a long time. Firing people just places somebody new in a broken system. |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 2:09:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am still sooo mad.. That’s shocking |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 2:26:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There followed a succession of team principals; Domicali is a businessman. Mattiacci is an economist. Arrivabene is marketing. Binotto is an engineer. That explains a lot. Of all the engineers I've been around in industry, only about 10% were worth a shit. |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 2:51:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you are telling me that tires that were damaged by a spin and older than Leclercs were still faster than the piece of shit hards that they put on Leclercs car, and which everybody knew they would be since they were mounted on the alpines ? LoL Yeah, thanks for confirming me that Max driving mistake costed him NADA, thanks to the geniuses At Ferrari box Max spun, got over taken. Retook the position and your boys fucked lercler anyways so. Meh. Hush before you get a stroke lol |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 2:54:15 PM EST
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Actually would of preferred Ferrari to be 2 and 3 because fuck merc
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Posted: 7/31/2022 3:08:01 PM EST
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Just watched qualifying and the race. I had high hopes after qualifying with the Redbull’s 10th & 11th. More reliability issues for Max and a lack of talent from Perez. I thought Ferrari would have a good chance to gain some ground and keep the championship interesting before the break.
Can’t say I’m surprised Ferrari snatched defeat from the jaws of victory yet again. Medium, medium, hard, soft. That had to be the worst tire sequence possible. Ridiculous. |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 3:17:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: RB does need to get rid of Checo...he's no fucking help to Max or the Team in winning the Championship or Constructors. I see this comment week after week but when I look at the standings, Checo is in 3rd in the Driver's Championship, right behind Leclerc. Checo finished in 5th today, after starting from 11th. I get that it's easy to bitch about someone not winning but, he's doing a pretty damn good job bringing home some points this season. And he's pretty damn well the reason Max won Abu Dhabi last year and took the championship. I'd say he's doing a pretty decent job. I have to ask, who would you and the other Checo haters/dislikers/whatever like to see replace him? Be reasonable. Norris? That could be entertaining. Ocon? Magnussen? An F2 driver? Who? Let me add: I don't mean this to be a shit-talking post or to be combative. I understand it's all subjective. I just see Checo as a solid top-10 guy who is steady. |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 3:19:19 PM EST
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How far does HAM have his head up his ass? He acts like he drove a Minardi to be WDC.
Lewis Hamilton jabs at F1 rival Max Verstappen: “It says everything about his car” |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 3:20:34 PM EST
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worthless
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Posted: 7/31/2022 3:20:46 PM EST
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Posted: 7/31/2022 3:27:42 PM EST
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Ferrari finds a way each week to screw their drivers. It's actually surprising when they don't screw them vs when they do.
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Posted: 7/31/2022 3:31:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: RB does need to get rid of Checo...he's no fucking help to Max or the Team in winning the Championship or Constructors. They are incredibly lucky Ferrari is such a shit show and Mercedes got smacked down by rule changes because RB can’t expect to win a fight with only one competitive driver much longer. I think Max has matured a lot since the days when RIC was his teammate. I understand the reasoning behind putting Perez in the second seat but Max is a world champion now and I doubt he’s insecure about his place in the team and going to crumble under the pressure of a fast teammate. I’d like to see Alonso in the RB where he can fight for wins and be a mentor to Max. Get GAS in the other Alpine for an all French lineup and out of the dead end career path he’s on with RB. |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 3:33:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are incredibly lucky Ferrari is such a shit show and Mercedes got smacked down by rule changes because RB can't expect to win a fight with only one competitive driver much longer. I think Max has matured a lot since the days when RIC was his teammate. I understand the reasoning behind putting Perez in the second seat but Max is a world champion now and I doubt he's insecure about his place in the team and going to crumble under the pressure of a fast teammate. I'd like to see Alonso in the RB where he can fight for wins and be a mentor to Max. Get GAS in the other Alpine for an all French lineup and out of the dead end career path he's on with RB. |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 3:44:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I see this comment week after week but when I look at the standings, Checo is in 3rd in the Driver's Championship, right behind Leclerc. Checo finished in 5th today, after starting from 11th. I get that it's easy to bitch about someone not winning but, he's doing a pretty damn good job bringing home some points this season. And he's pretty damn well the reason Max won Abu Dhabi last year and took the championship. I'd say he's doing a pretty decent job. I have to ask, who would you and the other Checo haters/dislikers/whatever like to see replace him? Be reasonable. Norris? That could be entertaining. Ocon? Magnussen? An F2 driver? Who? Let me add: I don't mean this to be a shit-talking post or to be combative. I understand it's all subjective. I just see Checo as a solid top-10 guy who is steady. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: RB does need to get rid of Checo...he's no fucking help to Max or the Team in winning the Championship or Constructors. I see this comment week after week but when I look at the standings, Checo is in 3rd in the Driver's Championship, right behind Leclerc. Checo finished in 5th today, after starting from 11th. I get that it's easy to bitch about someone not winning but, he's doing a pretty damn good job bringing home some points this season. And he's pretty damn well the reason Max won Abu Dhabi last year and took the championship. I'd say he's doing a pretty decent job. I have to ask, who would you and the other Checo haters/dislikers/whatever like to see replace him? Be reasonable. Norris? That could be entertaining. Ocon? Magnussen? An F2 driver? Who? Let me add: I don't mean this to be a shit-talking post or to be combative. I understand it's all subjective. I just see Checo as a solid top-10 guy who is steady. Perez is a massive liability and the personification of the Peter principle, it doesn’t matter how good the car is he’s never going to be a top driver and deliver the results the car is capable of. The delta between him and Max is greater than any other teammates(maybe NOR and RIC), he didn’t make it out of Q2 for gods sake. I do agree that he earned his paycheck with the defense of Hamilton last year in Abu Dhabi but it would have been a moot point with a better driver in that car all season. |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 3:56:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing against Perez but I'd love to see Alonso in a more competitive car. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They are incredibly lucky Ferrari is such a shit show and Mercedes got smacked down by rule changes because RB can't expect to win a fight with only one competitive driver much longer. I think Max has matured a lot since the days when RIC was his teammate. I understand the reasoning behind putting Perez in the second seat but Max is a world champion now and I doubt he's insecure about his place in the team and going to crumble under the pressure of a fast teammate. I'd like to see Alonso in the RB where he can fight for wins and be a mentor to Max. Get GAS in the other Alpine for an all French lineup and out of the dead end career path he's on with RB. I think Alpine is definitely on the right track and should be a top 4 team with the other works manufacturers but it’s not going to happen overnight and I don’t know that Alonso is in for the long haul. He’s got a couple-few seasons left, I think he’d be fine resigning himself to the #2 driver if it means he’d be in the best car and able to fight for wins and poles. |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 4:11:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Max spun, got over taken. Retook the position and your boys fucked lercler anyways so. Meh. Hush before you get a stroke lol Indeed. as I said, lucky his mistake cost him nothing because his opponents made sure of it. |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 4:16:04 PM EST
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Posted: 7/31/2022 4:18:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Indeed. as I said, lucky his mistake cost him nothing because his opponents made sure of it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Max spun, got over taken. Retook the position and your boys fucked lercler anyways so. Meh. Hush before you get a stroke lol Indeed. as I said, lucky his mistake cost him nothing because his opponents made sure of it. He was super lucky. Could have easily hit the wall, ruined his tires, or crashed into a back marker. Hell, another 180* of rotation would have cost him 5+ seconds just to get the car pointed the right direction. |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 4:34:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Perez is a massive liability and the personification of the Peter principle, it doesn’t matter how good the car is he’s never going to be a top driver and deliver the results the car is capable of. The delta between him and Max is greater than any other teammates(maybe NOR and RIC), he didn’t make it out of Q2 for gods sake. I do agree that he earned his paycheck with the defense of Hamilton last year in Abu Dhabi but it would have been a moot point with a better driver in that car all season. Still, who replaces Checo? He drives the car pretty well if you don't compare him to Max. I know that's not a great way to put it but, Sergio is in the hunt on a regular basis. Maybe not for a win but for points. I'm not arguing that Checo is the best guy for the car so much as I'm asking who you think would be the best guy for the car. Ignore his contract for a moment tell me WHO would be better. I certainly don't think it would be Gasly or Tsunoda. I think Norris would be good but I don't see that happening. I'm seeing this similar to people who bitch about the NFL. "Ahh, bro. We need to ditch that shitty (insert quarterback name here) and get (insert another QB name here)." There's a LOT of Checo isn't the right guy for the car/team but very little in the way of reasonable suggestion of who would be the right guy. We could all say the Browns would be good if they had Brady but we know he isn't going there. We could say Alpine would win constantly if they had Max and Lewis. But, we know that shit ain't going to happen.  Sergio is 6 podiums on the year with 1 win. Hamilton has had 6 podiums so far. Leclerc has had 5 podiums, 3 wins for the 2022 season thus far. Sainz has had 6 podiums with 1 win. If Max won everything so far this year, RB would still trail Ferrari in the Constructors'. Perez has bailed out RB at least once and has contributed quite a bit this season. Who is a better available driver or one that would go to RBR and outproduce Sergio? I'm struggling to think of one. And, as much as RBR gets it right, I'd have to agree with them since they extended him. ETA: Who do you think could get the most out of one of the RBR cars? More importantly, who could wring all of the performance out of one and agree to be second driver? There's a LOT of pride in F1 and I can't see a top-5 driver wanting to be the second driver for very long, if at all. |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 4:39:41 PM EST
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the worse is to realize that Leclerc was fast with his second stint of mediums and WANTED to stay on track.
yes, Verstappen could have undercut him, but after that leclerc could have been on him with 20 laps to go, fresher tires AND softer ones... basically they were 3 things to do, and Rueda picked the worst one.... NO TO MENTION that starting in mediums was wrong because it was already cold and raining, and if rain had come, those in soft would have been better off on the track until time to go for the INTER or WET. Basically, the strategist got it ALL wrong... While red bull did just exactly what Pirelli advised. |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 5:08:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Still, who replaces Checo? He drives the car pretty well if you don't compare him to Max. I know that's not a great way to put it but, Sergio is in the hunt on a regular basis. Maybe not for a win but for points. I'm not arguing that Checo is the best guy for the car so much as I'm asking who you think would be the best guy for the car. Ignore his contract for a moment tell me WHO would be better. I certainly don't think it would be Gasly or Tsunoda. I think Norris would be good but I don't see that happening. I'm seeing this similar to people who bitch about the NFL. "Ahh, bro. We need to ditch that shitty (insert quarterback name here) and get (insert another QB name here)." There's a LOT of Checo isn't the right guy for the car/team but very little in the way of reasonable suggestion of who would be the right guy. We could all say the Browns would be good if they had Brady but we know he isn't going there. We could say Alpine would win constantly if they had Max and Lewis. But, we know that shit ain't going to happen. Sergio is 6 podiums on the year with 1 win. Hamilton has had 6 podiums so far. Leclerc has had 5 podiums, 3 wins for the 2022 season thus far. Sainz has had 6 podiums with 1 win. If Max won everything so far this year, RB would still trail Ferrari in the Constructors'. Perez has bailed out RB at least once and has contributed quite a bit this season. Who is a better available driver or one that would go to RBR and outproduce Sergio? I'm struggling to think of one. And, as much as RBR gets it right, I'd have to agree with them since they extended him. ETA: Who do you think could get the most out of one of the RBR cars? More importantly, who could wring all of the performance out of one and agree to be second driver? There's a LOT of pride in F1 and I can't see a top-5 driver wanting to be the second driver for very long, if at all. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Perez is a massive liability and the personification of the Peter principle, it doesn’t matter how good the car is he’s never going to be a top driver and deliver the results the car is capable of. The delta between him and Max is greater than any other teammates(maybe NOR and RIC), he didn’t make it out of Q2 for gods sake. I do agree that he earned his paycheck with the defense of Hamilton last year in Abu Dhabi but it would have been a moot point with a better driver in that car all season. Still, who replaces Checo? He drives the car pretty well if you don't compare him to Max. I know that's not a great way to put it but, Sergio is in the hunt on a regular basis. Maybe not for a win but for points. I'm not arguing that Checo is the best guy for the car so much as I'm asking who you think would be the best guy for the car. Ignore his contract for a moment tell me WHO would be better. I certainly don't think it would be Gasly or Tsunoda. I think Norris would be good but I don't see that happening. I'm seeing this similar to people who bitch about the NFL. "Ahh, bro. We need to ditch that shitty (insert quarterback name here) and get (insert another QB name here)." There's a LOT of Checo isn't the right guy for the car/team but very little in the way of reasonable suggestion of who would be the right guy. We could all say the Browns would be good if they had Brady but we know he isn't going there. We could say Alpine would win constantly if they had Max and Lewis. But, we know that shit ain't going to happen. Sergio is 6 podiums on the year with 1 win. Hamilton has had 6 podiums so far. Leclerc has had 5 podiums, 3 wins for the 2022 season thus far. Sainz has had 6 podiums with 1 win. If Max won everything so far this year, RB would still trail Ferrari in the Constructors'. Perez has bailed out RB at least once and has contributed quite a bit this season. Who is a better available driver or one that would go to RBR and outproduce Sergio? I'm struggling to think of one. And, as much as RBR gets it right, I'd have to agree with them since they extended him. ETA: Who do you think could get the most out of one of the RBR cars? More importantly, who could wring all of the performance out of one and agree to be second driver? There's a LOT of pride in F1 and I can't see a top-5 driver wanting to be the second driver for very long, if at all. Just about anyone has more upside than Perez. I’d much rather the team take a chance on one of their junior drivers that has the potential to do better than stick with Perez who everyone knows will never improve. Norris is stuck at McLaren until 2025, he has no exit clause in his contract and nobody’s going to buy it out, he’s just not proven he’s good enough to warrant it. Gasly is done at RB, he had a big falling out with Marco, it’s a dead end. Tsunoda is only there to appease Honda and that doesn’t matter anymore, he’s done in F1. If they want to bring someone up Lawson is the easy answer, Iwasa is having a good season in F2 and a case could be made for him. I wouldn’t be surprised if they had a plan in place for Vips prior to his career suicide. As far as current drivers just about any non pay driver would be better than Perez but I think the best answer is Alonso for reason I outlined in a previous post. Bottas has proven he’s a good #2 and is pretty fast and consistent, I think he’d be a good fit too. Perez is over 80 points behind max already(205.5 points behind in 2021). He’s rarely within half a second in qualifying, he’s gotten lapped by Max on more than one occasion, and makes tons of unforced errors. |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 5:08:29 PM EST
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Posted: 7/31/2022 5:15:15 PM EST
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Posted: 7/31/2022 5:44:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I see this comment week after week but when I look at the standings, Checo is in 3rd in the Driver's Championship, right behind Leclerc. Checo finished in 5th today, after starting from 11th. I get that it's easy to bitch about someone not winning but, he's doing a pretty damn good job bringing home some points this season. And he's pretty damn well the reason Max won Abu Dhabi last year and took the championship. I'd say he's doing a pretty decent job. I have to ask, who would you and the other Checo haters/dislikers/whatever like to see replace him? Be reasonable. Norris? That could be entertaining. Ocon? Magnussen? An F2 driver? Who? Let me add: I don't mean this to be a shit-talking post or to be combative. I understand it's all subjective. I just see Checo as a solid top-10 guy who is steady. Perez is a great driver. People jumped on the bandwagon thrashing Grosjean until he almost died. Then, all of the sudden everyone likes him! Fans are fickle. Some here forget the great challenges he made against Hamilton last year. He is one reason why Max won the championship. Btw, he only has two fewer career wins than Leclerc. More podiums than Charles this year. Yep, he's shit. |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 5:47:38 PM EST
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Posted: 7/31/2022 5:49:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just about anyone has more upside than Perez. I’d much rather the team take a chance on one of their junior drivers that has the potential to do better than stick with Perez who everyone knows will never improve. Norris is stuck at McLaren until 2025, he has no exit clause in his contract and nobody’s going to buy it out, he’s just not proven he’s good enough to warrant it. Gasly is done at RB, he had a big falling out with Marco, it’s a dead end. Tsunoda is only there to appease Honda and that doesn’t matter anymore, he’s done in F1. If they want to bring someone up Lawson is the easy answer, Iwasa is having a good season in F2 and a case could be made for him. I wouldn’t be surprised if they had a plan in place for Vips prior to his career suicide. As far as current drivers just about any non pay driver would be better than Perez but I think the best answer is Alonso for reason I outlined in a previous post. Bottas has proven he’s a good #2 and is pretty fast and consistent, I think he’d be a good fit too. Perez is over 80 points behind max already(205.5 points behind in 2021). He’s rarely within half a second in qualifying, he’s gotten lapped by Max on more than one occasion, and makes tons of unforced errors. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Perez is a massive liability and the personification of the Peter principle, it doesn’t matter how good the car is he’s never going to be a top driver and deliver the results the car is capable of. The delta between him and Max is greater than any other teammates(maybe NOR and RIC), he didn’t make it out of Q2 for gods sake. I do agree that he earned his paycheck with the defense of Hamilton last year in Abu Dhabi but it would have been a moot point with a better driver in that car all season. Still, who replaces Checo? He drives the car pretty well if you don't compare him to Max. I know that's not a great way to put it but, Sergio is in the hunt on a regular basis. Maybe not for a win but for points. I'm not arguing that Checo is the best guy for the car so much as I'm asking who you think would be the best guy for the car. Ignore his contract for a moment tell me WHO would be better. I certainly don't think it would be Gasly or Tsunoda. I think Norris would be good but I don't see that happening. I'm seeing this similar to people who bitch about the NFL. "Ahh, bro. We need to ditch that shitty (insert quarterback name here) and get (insert another QB name here)." There's a LOT of Checo isn't the right guy for the car/team but very little in the way of reasonable suggestion of who would be the right guy. We could all say the Browns would be good if they had Brady but we know he isn't going there. We could say Alpine would win constantly if they had Max and Lewis. But, we know that shit ain't going to happen. Sergio is 6 podiums on the year with 1 win. Hamilton has had 6 podiums so far. Leclerc has had 5 podiums, 3 wins for the 2022 season thus far. Sainz has had 6 podiums with 1 win. If Max won everything so far this year, RB would still trail Ferrari in the Constructors'. Perez has bailed out RB at least once and has contributed quite a bit this season. Who is a better available driver or one that would go to RBR and outproduce Sergio? I'm struggling to think of one. And, as much as RBR gets it right, I'd have to agree with them since they extended him. ETA: Who do you think could get the most out of one of the RBR cars? More importantly, who could wring all of the performance out of one and agree to be second driver? There's a LOT of pride in F1 and I can't see a top-5 driver wanting to be the second driver for very long, if at all. Just about anyone has more upside than Perez. I’d much rather the team take a chance on one of their junior drivers that has the potential to do better than stick with Perez who everyone knows will never improve. Norris is stuck at McLaren until 2025, he has no exit clause in his contract and nobody’s going to buy it out, he’s just not proven he’s good enough to warrant it. Gasly is done at RB, he had a big falling out with Marco, it’s a dead end. Tsunoda is only there to appease Honda and that doesn’t matter anymore, he’s done in F1. If they want to bring someone up Lawson is the easy answer, Iwasa is having a good season in F2 and a case could be made for him. I wouldn’t be surprised if they had a plan in place for Vips prior to his career suicide. As far as current drivers just about any non pay driver would be better than Perez but I think the best answer is Alonso for reason I outlined in a previous post. Bottas has proven he’s a good #2 and is pretty fast and consistent, I think he’d be a good fit too. Perez is over 80 points behind max already(205.5 points behind in 2021). He’s rarely within half a second in qualifying, he’s gotten lapped by Max on more than one occasion, and makes tons of unforced errors. Ahh, so Gasly...no, wait Albon then. Yeah ...yah, that's the ticket.Just stop, it's embarrassing. |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 5:55:06 PM EST
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Posted: 7/31/2022 5:56:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Perez is a great driver. People jumped on the bandwagon thrashing Grosjean until he almost died. Some here forget the great challenges he made against Hamilton last year. He is one reason why Max won the championship. Btw, he only has two fewer career wins than Leclerc. Yep, he's shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I see this comment week after week but when I look at the standings, Checo is in 3rd in the Driver's Championship, right behind Leclerc. Checo finished in 5th today, after starting from 11th. I get that it's easy to bitch about someone not winning but, he's doing a pretty damn good job bringing home some points this season. And he's pretty damn well the reason Max won Abu Dhabi last year and took the championship. I'd say he's doing a pretty decent job. I have to ask, who would you and the other Checo haters/dislikers/whatever like to see replace him? Be reasonable. Norris? That could be entertaining. Ocon? Magnussen? An F2 driver? Who? Let me add: I don't mean this to be a shit-talking post or to be combative. I understand it's all subjective. I just see Checo as a solid top-10 guy who is steady. Perez is a great driver. People jumped on the bandwagon thrashing Grosjean until he almost died. Some here forget the great challenges he made against Hamilton last year. He is one reason why Max won the championship. Btw, he only has two fewer career wins than Leclerc. Yep, he's shit. LOL No he isn’t. The only reason he’s been in F1 so long is because he has a substantial sponsorship package. He’s good for a pay driver but couldn’t exist in the sport on his driving ability alone. You’re out of your mind if you think he’s as good as LeClerc. 3 wins and 1 pole in 225 starts isn’t good, let alone great. He put up a great defense against Hamilton in Abu Dhabi but Max wouldn’t have been in that position to begin with if he was a better #2. |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 6:01:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ahh, so Gasly...no, wait Albon then. Yeah ...yah, that's the ticket.Just stop, it's embarrassing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Perez is a massive liability and the personification of the Peter principle, it doesn’t matter how good the car is he’s never going to be a top driver and deliver the results the car is capable of. The delta between him and Max is greater than any other teammates(maybe NOR and RIC), he didn’t make it out of Q2 for gods sake. I do agree that he earned his paycheck with the defense of Hamilton last year in Abu Dhabi but it would have been a moot point with a better driver in that car all season. Still, who replaces Checo? He drives the car pretty well if you don't compare him to Max. I know that's not a great way to put it but, Sergio is in the hunt on a regular basis. Maybe not for a win but for points. I'm not arguing that Checo is the best guy for the car so much as I'm asking who you think would be the best guy for the car. Ignore his contract for a moment tell me WHO would be better. I certainly don't think it would be Gasly or Tsunoda. I think Norris would be good but I don't see that happening. I'm seeing this similar to people who bitch about the NFL. "Ahh, bro. We need to ditch that shitty (insert quarterback name here) and get (insert another QB name here)." There's a LOT of Checo isn't the right guy for the car/team but very little in the way of reasonable suggestion of who would be the right guy. We could all say the Browns would be good if they had Brady but we know he isn't going there. We could say Alpine would win constantly if they had Max and Lewis. But, we know that shit ain't going to happen. Sergio is 6 podiums on the year with 1 win. Hamilton has had 6 podiums so far. Leclerc has had 5 podiums, 3 wins for the 2022 season thus far. Sainz has had 6 podiums with 1 win. If Max won everything so far this year, RB would still trail Ferrari in the Constructors'. Perez has bailed out RB at least once and has contributed quite a bit this season. Who is a better available driver or one that would go to RBR and outproduce Sergio? I'm struggling to think of one. And, as much as RBR gets it right, I'd have to agree with them since they extended him. ETA: Who do you think could get the most out of one of the RBR cars? More importantly, who could wring all of the performance out of one and agree to be second driver? There's a LOT of pride in F1 and I can't see a top-5 driver wanting to be the second driver for very long, if at all. Just about anyone has more upside than Perez. I’d much rather the team take a chance on one of their junior drivers that has the potential to do better than stick with Perez who everyone knows will never improve. Norris is stuck at McLaren until 2025, he has no exit clause in his contract and nobody’s going to buy it out, he’s just not proven he’s good enough to warrant it. Gasly is done at RB, he had a big falling out with Marco, it’s a dead end. Tsunoda is only there to appease Honda and that doesn’t matter anymore, he’s done in F1. If they want to bring someone up Lawson is the easy answer, Iwasa is having a good season in F2 and a case could be made for him. I wouldn’t be surprised if they had a plan in place for Vips prior to his career suicide. As far as current drivers just about any non pay driver would be better than Perez but I think the best answer is Alonso for reason I outlined in a previous post. Bottas has proven he’s a good #2 and is pretty fast and consistent, I think he’d be a good fit too. Perez is over 80 points behind max already(205.5 points behind in 2021). He’s rarely within half a second in qualifying, he’s gotten lapped by Max on more than one occasion, and makes tons of unforced errors. Ahh, so Gasly...no, wait Albon then. Yeah ...yah, that's the ticket.Just stop, it's embarrassing. Wtf are you even talking about? Did you bother to read what I wrote? |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 6:07:11 PM EST
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Posted: 7/31/2022 6:31:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I see this comment week after week but when I look at the standings, Checo is in 3rd in the Driver's Championship, right behind Leclerc. Checo finished in 5th today, after starting from 11th. I get that it's easy to bitch about someone not winning but, he's doing a pretty damn good job bringing home some points this season. And he's pretty damn well the reason Max won Abu Dhabi last year and took the championship. I'd say he's doing a pretty decent job. I have to ask, who would you and the other Checo haters/dislikers/whatever like to see replace him? Be reasonable. Norris? That could be entertaining. Ocon? Magnussen? An F2 driver? Who? Let me add: I don't mean this to be a shit-talking post or to be combative. I understand it's all subjective. I just see Checo as a solid top-10 guy who is steady. He was barely useful last year....and this year.....ya just ya. He's "most of the time" not helpful for undercuts etc. Fuck I'd love to see Alonso in the seat. |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 6:52:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He was barely useful last year....and this year.....ya just ya. He's "most of the time" not helpful for undercuts etc. Fuck I'd love to see Alonso in the seat. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I see this comment week after week but when I look at the standings, Checo is in 3rd in the Driver's Championship, right behind Leclerc. Checo finished in 5th today, after starting from 11th. I get that it's easy to bitch about someone not winning but, he's doing a pretty damn good job bringing home some points this season. And he's pretty damn well the reason Max won Abu Dhabi last year and took the championship. I'd say he's doing a pretty decent job. I have to ask, who would you and the other Checo haters/dislikers/whatever like to see replace him? Be reasonable. Norris? That could be entertaining. Ocon? Magnussen? An F2 driver? Who? Let me add: I don't mean this to be a shit-talking post or to be combative. I understand it's all subjective. I just see Checo as a solid top-10 guy who is steady. He was barely useful last year....and this year.....ya just ya. He's "most of the time" not helpful for undercuts etc. Fuck I'd love to see Alonso in the seat. Agreed. You can’t say he helped Max win the drivers championship without also saying he cost Redbull the constructors. Bottas out scored him by 36 points and had over 2x the podiums, Bottas also had 4 poles to Perez’s 0. Max faces a 2 vs 1 fight more often than not. |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 6:54:55 PM EST
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Ham has more podiums than Leclerc this year, in a worse car. Let that sink in.
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Posted: 7/31/2022 6:59:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ham has more podiums than Leclerc this year, in a worse car. Let that sink in. Mercedes has been doing a great job this year, very few mistakes. They have probably scored 95% of the points available to them, I don’t remember them leaving many on the table besides RUS crashing on the first lap in Silverstone. If they had a car as fast as RB or Ferrari this season would be a blowout. |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 7:11:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL No he isn’t. The only reason he’s been in F1 so long is because he has a substantial sponsorship package. He’s good for a pay driver but couldn’t exist in the sport on his driving ability alone. You’re out of your mind if you think he’s as good as LeClerc. 3 wins and 1 pole in 225 starts isn’t good, let alone great. He put up a great defense against Hamilton in Abu Dhabi but Max wouldn’t have been in that position to begin with if he was a better #2. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I see this comment week after week but when I look at the standings, Checo is in 3rd in the Driver's Championship, right behind Leclerc. Checo finished in 5th today, after starting from 11th. I get that it's easy to bitch about someone not winning but, he's doing a pretty damn good job bringing home some points this season. And he's pretty damn well the reason Max won Abu Dhabi last year and took the championship. I'd say he's doing a pretty decent job. I have to ask, who would you and the other Checo haters/dislikers/whatever like to see replace him? Be reasonable. Norris? That could be entertaining. Ocon? Magnussen? An F2 driver? Who? Let me add: I don't mean this to be a shit-talking post or to be combative. I understand it's all subjective. I just see Checo as a solid top-10 guy who is steady. Perez is a great driver. People jumped on the bandwagon thrashing Grosjean until he almost died. Some here forget the great challenges he made against Hamilton last year. He is one reason why Max won the championship. Btw, he only has two fewer career wins than Leclerc. Yep, he's shit. LOL No he isn’t. The only reason he’s been in F1 so long is because he has a substantial sponsorship package. He’s good for a pay driver but couldn’t exist in the sport on his driving ability alone. You’re out of your mind if you think he’s as good as LeClerc. 3 wins and 1 pole in 225 starts isn’t good, let alone great. He put up a great defense against Hamilton in Abu Dhabi but Max wouldn’t have been in that position to begin with if he was a better #2. Red Bull doesn’t care what sponsorship he brings. It’s a small bonus, but nothing that tips the scales. He just has to be decent on track. He doesn’t bring any drama, no delusions of grandeur, amiable. There is a huge bonus to having someone who doesn’t feel the pressure of having to compare to Max in order to build a career. |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 7:21:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Red Bull doesn’t care what sponsorship he brings. It’s a small bonus, but nothing that tips the scales. He just has to be decent on track. He doesn’t bring any drama, no delusions of grandeur, amiable. There is a huge bonus to having someone who doesn’t feel the pressure of having to compare to Max in order to build a career. He was getting a pretty big head after Monaco........and that "dream" of his ended pretty quick when the reality of he's not that good sunk back in. |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 7:24:50 PM EST
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Posted: 7/31/2022 7:42:39 PM EST
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Tried doing some math earlier. We’re now at the point in the season that if Max takes second in every remaining race he still would win the championship even if LeClerc won every single race. Max would clear him by about twenty points. That’s without factoring in fastest lap or sprint points.
Bottom line Ferrari’s window to get LeClerc the championship is closing rapidly. |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 7:46:23 PM EST
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Bleh. The race was fun until Ferrari fucked it.
Now it's just getting a bit formulaic. |
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