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Posted: 7/2/2023 10:52:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thinks it's also a "don't question leadership in front of the men, you do it in private" kind of thing. Want to criticize the car? Don't do it over public air waves. Or maybe he's taking a page out of The Fernando Alonso GP2 Engine Guide to Mid-Race Constructive Feedback |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 10:58:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know that he's capable of shutting up until behind closed doors. Or maybe he's taking a page out of The Fernando Alonso GP2 Engine Guide to Mid-Race Constructive Feedback Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I thinks it's also a "don't question leadership in front of the men, you do it in private" kind of thing. Want to criticize the car? Don't do it over public air waves. Or maybe he's taking a page out of The Fernando Alonso GP2 Engine Guide to Mid-Race Constructive Feedback If it were anyone but Lewis, the press (British) would make it a big deal. Going into a home Grand Prix weekend….are the cracks beginning to show…does he stay there….drama! Let’s see what they do. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 11:02:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thinks it's also a "don't question leadership in front of the men, you do it in private" kind of thing. Want to criticize the car? Don't do it over public air waves. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: "We know the car's bad, just drive it" Toto gets full points for Best Comment of the Race. Want to criticize the car? Don't do it over public air waves. I think it's more about a driver being in his head and worrying about so many things beyond his control. Toto's firm responses were to get him focused back on the job at hand: driving. Even Toto called the car slow over the air--so I don't think it's about open criticism |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 11:07:35 AM EST
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Aston is protesting the race results.
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Posted: 7/2/2023 11:21:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aston is protesting the race results.
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Posted: 7/2/2023 11:27:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why? For holding up Perez for a few laps? Had Sainz kept his car in the lines, he potentially could've been on the podium too. Perez if he didn’t have to battle sainz for 5 laps and kill his tires there had the potentiel to go get leclerc in my opinion. No way sainz could have resisted the tripled DRS. It’s a miracle he held that long. It last until he couldn’t let perez be stupid enough to overtake him before the last activation zone |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 11:28:57 AM EST
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Pérez who was at the limit did one extra 2 laps before the end in my opinion |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 11:38:49 AM EST
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Posted: 7/2/2023 12:03:34 PM EST
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Help me out here - to what ends are they doing this?
Do they think they can get Alonso to the podium or of it looking For a few extra positions to get points? |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 12:09:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Help me out here - to what ends are they doing this? Do they think they can get Alonso to the podium or of it looking For a few extra positions to get points? Not sure which one they are specifically trying to benefit here? I have a feeling they think Lando should have received a penalty towards the end. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 12:22:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Both Alonso and Stroll were within 5 seconds of the finisher in front of them. Not sure which one they are specifically trying to benefit here? I have a feeling they think Lando should have received a penalty towards the end. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Help me out here - to what ends are they doing this? Do they think they can get Alonso to the podium or of it looking For a few extra positions to get points? Not sure which one they are specifically trying to benefit here? I have a feeling they think Lando should have received a penalty towards the end. Looks like they are going after Gasly. Not for going off and everyone missing it, but for penalties not applied for infractions noted. ETA: Now it appears that they noted the same incident twice. Messy… |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 12:55:46 PM EST
[#12]
The classification will be changing.
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Posted: 7/2/2023 1:04:03 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryNo word on who will be getting penalties applied? The only ones poised to benefit would be Stroll, Alonso and/or Sainz, I believe? I don't think anyone else was within a 5 sec window. (btw, I hate all these post-race games, even if it benefits "my team". Wish the stewards could just deal with this shit in a timely and consistent manner. It ruins the race experience imo) |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 1:04:32 PM EST
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Posted: 7/2/2023 1:07:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No word on who will be getting penalties applied? The only ones poised to benefit would be Stroll, Alonso and/or Sainz, I believe? I don't think anyone else was within a 5 sec window. (btw, I hate all these post-race games, even if it benefits "my team". Wish the stewards could just deal with this shit in a timely and consistent manner. It ruins the race experience imo) I think the problem is that the stewards didn't get the violation referrals in time or at all, which creates a messy situation. I know that there is a specific timeframe that referrals need to be filed and a specific timeframe that the steward has to address them. Obviously there is a breakdown in policy. If those time-frames were not adhered to, then appeals will be filed and upheld. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 1:08:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
https://i.imgur.com/Y7IQ9uS.gif Lol that’s nearly 1 for every car for every lap Just a bunch of hens finger pointing now |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 1:15:32 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol that’s nearly 1 for every car for every lap Just a bunch of hens finger pointing now Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:
https://i.imgur.com/Y7IQ9uS.gif Lol that’s nearly 1 for every car for every lap Just a bunch of hens finger pointing now The equivalent is watching that gif for 20 minutes. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 1:16:42 PM EST
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Posted: 7/2/2023 1:21:00 PM EST
[#19]
I wonder if Ferrari would have had two cars on the podium had they switched Sainz and LeClerc early. Sainz was absolutely flying.
Norris is a monster at Spielberg. Hard to tell if it was the upgrades or just him today. I lean mainly towards Norris. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 1:25:44 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thinks it's also a "don't question leadership in front of the men, you do it in private" kind of thing. Want to criticize the car? Don't do it over public air waves. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: "We know the car's bad, just drive it" Toto gets full points for Best Comment of the Race. Want to criticize the car? Don't do it over public air waves. It also reflects a change of attitude toward Ham. Normally they would just say "understood" but Toto had had enough of whining from a mid-pack driver, even if he has 7 WDCs. You are only as good as your last season. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 1:32:27 PM EST
[#21]
To me it’s horseshit. Either the infractions are noted and given during the race or they are not.
If they change the standing now it’s pure bs. Imagine if for example Verstappen gets a 5sec penalty now? Leclerc wins ? Verstappen would have never gone for the pit stop and fastest lap of the penalty was given in due time. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 1:36:33 PM EST
[#22]
More penalties coming, top three are safe though.
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Posted: 7/2/2023 1:42:29 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To me it’s horseshit. Either the infractions are noted and given during the race or they are not. If they change the standing now it’s pure bs. Imagine if for example Verstappen gets a 5sec penalty now? Leclerc wins ? Verstappen would have never gone for the pit stop and fastest lap of the penalty was given in due time. It’s extremely less than optimal, but we are looking at the equivalent of a DDOS attack on the system. FWIW, Max finished 5.1 seconds ahead of Leclerc. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 1:44:09 PM EST
[#24]
Max is such a douche nozzle
“I’m 70 pts up in the Driver’s Championship and about to win this race. Should I allow my teammate to at least have the satisfaction of keeping one point for fastest lap? No, let me risk the win so I can take that point away.” The only reason I watch anymore is hoping someone puts that asshole into a wall so I can listen to the whining. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 1:59:53 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To me it’s horseshit. Either the infractions are noted and given during the race or they are not. If they change the standing now it’s pure bs. Imagine if for example Verstappen gets a 5sec penalty now? Leclerc wins ? Verstappen would have never gone for the pit stop and fastest lap of the penalty was given in due time. That would be hilarious |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 2:05:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wrong. It is the drivers going off track. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Basically it is the turn itself unnecessarily coming into the racing line. . Wrong. It is the drivers going off track. please tell the class why you deleted the more important part of the post 1,200 instances is a difficult figure to ignore 
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Posted: 7/2/2023 2:07:53 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Max is such a douche nozzle “I’m 70 pts up in the Driver’s Championship and about to win this race. Should I allow my teammate to at least have the satisfaction of keeping one point for fastest lap? No, let me risk the win so I can take that point away.” The only reason I watch anymore is hoping someone puts that asshole into a wall so I can listen to the whining. Welcome fellow F1 enthusiast. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 2:33:36 PM EST
[#28]
Oh….
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Posted: 7/2/2023 2:36:28 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryFrankly, Esteban, you'd have done better if you hadn't brought a car |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 2:36:28 PM EST
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Posted: 7/2/2023 2:37:12 PM EST
[#31]
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Posted: 7/2/2023 2:39:05 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Frankly, Esteban, you'd have done better if you hadn't brought a car Quote HistoryQuoted: Frankly, Esteban, you'd have done better if you hadn't brought a car Bro was using a different track configuration 
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Posted: 7/2/2023 2:42:19 PM EST
[#33]
Lewis is probably having a melt down.
Ooof. That promotes Lando to P4 and Nando to P5, dropping Sainz to P6. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 2:42:46 PM EST
[#34]
Lando P4 makes me happy.
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Posted: 7/2/2023 2:44:48 PM EST
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Posted: 7/2/2023 2:45:13 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lewis is probably having a melt down. Ooof. That promotes Lando to P4 and Nando to P5, dropping Sainz to P6. Top 10 changes.
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Posted: 7/2/2023 2:48:17 PM EST
[#37]
Damn, Esteban was murdered
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Posted: 7/2/2023 3:25:24 PM EST
[#38]
Here is some footage from the post-race concert:
 Huey Lewis & The News - Back In Time |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 3:27:07 PM EST
[#39]
Yuki didn’t come out as bad on the penalty buffet as I expected.
Ocon got hammered, bad day for sure. Glad to see Alonso move up a position but AM stirring the pot still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The track definitely needs to be changed in those corners given the announcement that it’s on the schedule till 2030. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 3:28:25 PM EST
[#40]
Clown shoes. What a “sport”
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Posted: 7/2/2023 3:33:06 PM EST
[#41]
Here’s an idea:
Qualifying - Strict enforcement of track limits. Race - No passing outside the limits. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 3:33:52 PM EST
[#42]
What's with the track today that so many people couldn't stay in line?
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Posted: 7/2/2023 3:34:40 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The track definitely needs to be changed in those corners given the announcement that it's on the schedule till 2030. Make it so that if you are fully over the line, that means you're half way into gravel. The drivers will figure it out. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 3:38:43 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What's with the track today that so many people couldn't stay in line? I’m no expert and those that are will chime in but according to the Williams drivers - It’s it paved the drivers are going to use it or they race on the edge and ‘dust’ can make them slip just enough. ?? I think others mentioned the corners weren’t designed well. Sargent suggested they put a car width strip of turf just on the other side of the white line. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 3:46:31 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m no expert and those that are will chime in but according to the Williams drivers - It’s it paved the drivers are going to use it or they race on the edge and ‘dust’ can make them slip just enough. ?? I think others mentioned the corners weren’t designed well. Sargent suggested they put a car width strip of turf just on the other side of the white line. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What's with the track today that so many people couldn't stay in line? I’m no expert and those that are will chime in but according to the Williams drivers - It’s it paved the drivers are going to use it or they race on the edge and ‘dust’ can make them slip just enough. ?? I think others mentioned the corners weren’t designed well. Sargent suggested they put a car width strip of turf just on the other side of the white line. Pretty much, the FIA already recommended to the track to add gravel on the outsides of T9/10 and get rid of the concrete that's just outside the track. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 3:46:44 PM EST
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Posted: 7/2/2023 3:49:43 PM EST
[#47]
Fixing that one corner so that it doesn’t have that awkward intrusion into the racing line would do wonders.
Fix that and ALSO put that ‘slippery’ fixed gravel outboard of the curb. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 3:52:18 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just get rid of the concrete runoff on the outside of the curb. Make it so that if you are fully over the line, that means you're half way into gravel. The drivers will figure it out. Edit; that's unfair of me. I actually think if they're going to do anything they need to build a bigass tire wall. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 3:55:06 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I, too, enjoy 70 laps of safety cars Edit; that's unfair of me. I actually think if they're going to do anything they need to build a bigass tire wall. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just get rid of the concrete runoff on the outside of the curb. Make it so that if you are fully over the line, that means you're half way into gravel. The drivers will figure it out. Edit; that's unfair of me. I actually think if they're going to do anything they need to build a bigass tire wall. Yeah, making it awkward for the drivers only degrades the racing. Like the stupid idea of banning tire warmers. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 3:56:51 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just get rid of the concrete runoff on the outside of the curb. Make it so that if you are fully over the line, that means you're half way into gravel. The drivers will figure it out. Can’t do that. The track has those run off because it is on the moto GP calendar as well |
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