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Posted: 11/22/2022 10:55:14 AM EDT
 Churchill's Guns - Britain's Well-Armed Prime Minister! |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 10:55:51 AM EDT
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When England was a much better place.
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:02:14 AM EDT
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The gun rooms at English country houses would make us weep for all the money and history within. But those were for the aristocrats, not the average man.
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:06:26 AM EDT
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I'd love to drop 10,000 .22 cartridges all over London and watch the response.
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:12:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd love to drop 10,000 .22 cartridges all over London and watch the response. From what I have seen just the brass would do the job. 
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:13:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:14:19 AM EDT
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Well, the dude was a cavalryman at the start of his military career, so....
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:17:46 AM EDT
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Didn't he actually shoot some enemy combatants as a young soldier?
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:18:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When England was a much better place. Nailed it Now England is a pussified nation that self castrated themselves.. More interested in tea and crumpets than freedom. SPINELESS BRITS |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:20:09 AM EDT
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He looks gangsta in that screen cap. Road To
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:20:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, the dude was a cavalryman at the start of his military career, so.... IIRC, he was in the last British cav charge during the Second Boer War |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:26:01 AM EDT
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In to make sure the Mauser C96 got mentioned, I see it has. Didn't know he carried a 1911 in France.
Seems like a good place to mention one of Churchill's lesser remembered adventures, the Siege of Sidney Street , 1911. London Police cornered two Latvian revolutionaries who were funding themselves with jewelry store robberies, but found themselves outgunned and suffered several fatalities. They called in the army which showed up with a Maxim and several light artillery pieces, but managed to suppress the Latvians with rifle fire alone. One way or another the building caught fire and the Latvians were killed. Churchill was Home Secretary and stirred up some trouble by sneaking up close enough to smell the gunpowder while interfering with command of the police operation. Guarantee you he was on the verge of commandeering a rifle or personally aiming the artillery.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:27:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The gun rooms at English country houses would make us weep for all the money and history within. But those were for the aristocrats, not the average man. Kharn Actually, you hit the nail right in the head ! In the old days, firearms were not regulated because only the rich could afford them. And the rich were not a threat to the establishment ! Post WW1, suddenly you have - A huge number of trained soldiers returning home. Those same soldiers struggling to find work. Those same soldiers seeing the wealthy retain their wealth unaffected by the war. Those same soldiers reading news in the papers of the Russian revolution. Those same soldiers having access to a lot of military arms brought back / smuggled out of factories. Suddenly the Govt decided that firearms had to be regulated. It was NEVER about public safety. It was revolution prevention. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:29:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nailed it Now England is a pussified nation that self castrated themselves.. More interested in tea and crumpets than freedom. SPINELESS BRITS Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When England was a much better place. Nailed it Now England is a pussified nation that self castrated themselves.. More interested in tea and crumpets than freedom. SPINELESS BRITS Complete and utter bollocks. They are in the same position as us only a few decades advanced. They will chip away at gun rights here too. You think they can vote their way to freedom ? No more than you can vote to repeal the NFA. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:34:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually, you hit the nail right in the head ! In the old days, firearms were not regulated because only the rich could afford them. And the rich were not a threat to the establishment ! Post WW1, suddenly you have - A huge number of trained soldiers returning home. Those same soldiers struggling to find work. Those same soldiers seeing the wealthy retain their wealth unaffected by the war. Those same soldiers reading news in the papers of the Russian revolution. Those same soldiers having access to a lot of military arms brought back / smuggled out of factories. Suddenly the Govt decided that firearms had to be regulated. It was NEVER about public safety. It was revolution prevention. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:42:51 AM EDT
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Important quotes from a somewhat prophetic British dude.
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:44:26 AM EDT
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I think he packed a C-96 Broomhandle Mauser in Africa
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:46:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Complete and utter bollocks. They are in the same position as us only a few decades advanced. They will chip away at gun rights here too. You think they can vote their way to freedom ? No more than you can vote to repeal the NFA. Speak for yourself Brits have castrated themselves |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 12:10:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Speak for yourself Brits have castrated themselves Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Complete and utter bollocks. They are in the same position as us only a few decades advanced. They will chip away at gun rights here too. You think they can vote their way to freedom ? No more than you can vote to repeal the NFA. Speak for yourself Brits have castrated themselves You have the right to keep and bear arms as long as they are the capacity dictated by the state where there are restrictions. You can bear them in your state but if your ccw is not recognised, you cannot do it in your neighbouring state. The Rep Govt banned bumpstocks. Does that mean Rep voters voted for castration of that particular freedom ? Who voted for the NFA ? Infringed ? Yes. Try voting to stop it though. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 12:22:14 PM EDT
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Whenever I think of England and guns, I'm reminded of the ad that the British Government placed in the American Rifleman magazine
during WW2. They begged for Americans to donate their personal guns so they could be passed out to British 'subjects' for the defense of England. This was in anticipation of an invasion by the Nazis. Americans responded and donated a lot of guns, but the British government never passed them out. American soldiers were busy dying in their effective defense against Hitler's offensive, so the British government didn't feel the need to risk arming their 'subjects'. After the Nazi threat had passed, instead of storing those American guns, or returning them, they dumped them in the ocean. I realize it's shortsighted, but I still feel like the U.S. shouldn't be Allies with nations that don't have a truly free, well-armed people that have a deterrent effect against foreign invaders. Hitler and Tojo wouldn't have been so willing to invade other countries that were defended by millions of well-armed citizens. And thousands of American servicemen wouldn't have had to die defending a bunch of helpless sheep. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 12:28:14 PM EDT
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Well, his mother was an American, so there is that.
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Posted: 11/22/2022 12:30:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When England was a much better place. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 12:33:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In to make sure the Mauser C96 got mentioned, I see it has. Didn't know he carried a 1911 in France. Seems like a good place to mention one of Churchill's lesser remembered adventures, the Siege of Sidney Street , 1911. London Police cornered two Latvian revolutionaries who were funding themselves with jewelry store robberies, but found themselves outgunned and suffered several fatalities. They called in the army which showed up with a Maxim and several light artillery pieces, but managed to suppress the Latvians with rifle fire alone. One way or another the building caught fire and the Latvians were killed. Churchill was Home Secretary and stirred up some trouble by sneaking up close enough to smell the gunpowder while interfering with command of the police operation. Guarantee you he was on the verge of commandeering a rifle or personally aiming the artillery. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172926/churchill_jpg-2609886.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172926/churchill_2_jpg-2609891.JPG Fascinating never heard of that thanks |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 12:34:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whenever I think of England and guns, I'm reminded of the ad that the British Government placed in the American Rifleman magazine during WW2. They begged for Americans to donate their personal guns so they could be passed out to British 'subjects' for the defense of England. This was in anticipation of an invasion by the Nazis. Americans responded and donated a lot of guns, but the British government never passed them out. American soldiers were busy dying in their effective defense against Hitler's offensive, so the British government didn't feel the need to risk arming their 'subjects'. After the Nazi threat had passed, instead of storing those American guns, or returning them, they dumped them in the ocean. I realize it's shortsighted, but I still feel like the U.S. shouldn't be Allies with nations that don't have a truly free, well-armed people that have a deterrent effect against foreign invaders. Hitler and Tojo wouldn't have been so willing to invade other countries that were defended by millions of well-armed citizens. And thousands of American servicemen wouldn't have had to die defending a bunch of helpless sheep. Sheep ? You really do not get it. They cannot achieve more gun rights no more than YOU can repeal 2A infringements. The establishment ( whether in UK or US ) is largely unaffected by voting. The latest example is Trump saying how pro 2A he was then banning bump stocks and saying "take the guns - due process later" Are those who voted Rep sheep ? |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 12:34:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Speak for yourself Brits have castrated themselves Just like Oregon did recently. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 12:35:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, the dude was a cavalryman at the start of his military career, so.... and used a broomie instead of a sword due to a polo accident and shot some islamic horsemen during a charge.. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 12:40:30 PM EDT
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I have his books. A fascinating look into a very different world.
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Posted: 11/22/2022 12:43:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThe princes with an MP5K  |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 12:49:25 PM EDT
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Look up the image of Churchill with an American sniper rifle (M1903A4). This during a visit by Churchill, Ike and Brad to the Second Armored Division. What is interesting is that the photo has been retouched and the scoped move forward to give a better view of the Prime Minister. It's seen at 1 min in the Mark Felton video.
I finally ID'd the helmeted officer as Bradley's ADC. (BTW, image is in the sniper book). |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 12:52:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sheep ? You really do not get it. They cannot achieve more gun rights no more than YOU can repeal 2A infringements. The establishment ( whether in UK or US ) is largely unaffected by voting. The latest example is Trump saying how pro 2A he was then banning bump stocks and saying "take the guns - due process later" Are those who voted Rep sheep ? Your shit is all retarded. It wasn't that long ago that legal concealed carry was a fairly rare thing in this country. In the last thirty years that has changed drastically. From shall issue permits to constitutional carry things in just my lifetime have gotten significantly better for the average gun owner who does not live in a socialist shithole. Just how do you think that came to be? |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 12:55:56 PM EDT
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Winston is high on my list of famous people I would love to sit with for a few hours in a pub and just talk over drinks.
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Posted: 11/22/2022 1:03:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sheep ? You really do not get it. They cannot achieve more gun rights no more than YOU can repeal 2A infringements. The establishment ( whether in UK or US ) is largely unaffected by voting. The latest example is Trump saying how pro 2A he was then banning bump stocks and saying "take the guns - due process later" Are those who voted Rep sheep ? Obviously, you make a valid point. However, should Americans die to save a subject from the Nazi boot on their neck, when they already have the boot of the King on their throat? Furthermore, we citizens of the U.S. have actually made some slow, minuscule progress, in our attempts to restore our rights. Young people probably don't realize that there didn't used to be any 'Constitutional carry', in the U.S., except for AK, and I believe, Vermont. Now, there are several states. Remember 1986? That was when the right to buy ammunition and reloading components, without Gov interference, was restored. Prior to 1986, and after GCA 68, you couldn't buy ammo or components and have them shipped to you. Ammunition had to be bought in person from a licensed ammunition dealer, and you had to show ID, and the sale was recorded in a logbook. So, we are making some progress. I don't think you can say that for the 'subjects' in other countries. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 1:05:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually, you hit the nail right in the head ! In the old days, firearms were not regulated because only the rich could afford them. And the rich were not a threat to the establishment ! Post WW1, suddenly you have - A huge number of trained soldiers returning home. Those same soldiers struggling to find work. Those same soldiers seeing the wealthy retain their wealth unaffected by the war. Those same soldiers reading news in the papers of the Russian revolution. Those same soldiers having access to a lot of military arms brought back / smuggled out of factories. Suddenly the Govt decided that firearms had to be regulated. It was NEVER about public safety. It was revolution prevention. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 1:08:04 PM EDT
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Damn, Winston was GANGSTER!
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Posted: 11/22/2022 1:11:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your shit is all retarded. It wasn't that long ago that legal concealed carry was a fairly rare thing in this country. In the last thirty years that has changed drastically. From shall issue permits to constitutional carry things in just my lifetime have gotten significantly better for the average gun owner who does not live in a socialist shithole. Just how do you think that came to be? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sheep ? You really do not get it. They cannot achieve more gun rights no more than YOU can repeal 2A infringements. The establishment ( whether in UK or US ) is largely unaffected by voting. The latest example is Trump saying how pro 2A he was then banning bump stocks and saying "take the guns - due process later" Are those who voted Rep sheep ? Your shit is all retarded. It wasn't that long ago that legal concealed carry was a fairly rare thing in this country. In the last thirty years that has changed drastically. From shall issue permits to constitutional carry things in just my lifetime have gotten significantly better for the average gun owner who does not live in a socialist shithole. Just how do you think that came to be? I accept your point re carry. But my point stands - calling the British castrated and implying they are due to failure to resist is stupid. As I said, the establishment does not care about how you vote. I suppose the British situation is a bit like being a patriotic US citizen who believes in 2A but lives in CA. Is he a sheep ? Castrated ? No, the establishment there is hard to beat. Despite the improvement in carry laws, there has been steady increase in restictions. They are all infringements. Both countries have gun control - the UK is just a few decades ahead of the US. And if voting made a difference, they would not let us do it. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 1:14:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I accept your point re carry. But my point stands - calling the British castrated and implying they are due to failure to resist is stupid. As I said, the establishment does not care about how you vote. I suppose the British situation is a bit like being a patriotic US citizen who believes in 2A but lives in CA. Is he a sheep ? Castrated ? No, the establishment there is hard to beat. Despite the improvement in carry laws, there has been steady increase in restictions. They are all infringements. Both countries have gun control - the UK is just a few decades ahead of the US. And if voting made a difference, they would not let us do it. That last line... Oof... 
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Posted: 11/22/2022 1:18:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually, you hit the nail right in the head ! In the old days, firearms were not regulated because only the rich could afford them. And the rich were not a threat to the establishment ! Post WW1, suddenly you have - A huge number of trained soldiers returning home. Those same soldiers struggling to find work. Those same soldiers seeing the wealthy retain their wealth unaffected by the war. Those same soldiers reading news in the papers of the Russian revolution. Those same soldiers having access to a lot of military arms brought back / smuggled out of factories. Suddenly the Govt decided that firearms had to be regulated. It was NEVER about public safety. It was revolution prevention. Good analysis |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 1:19:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually, you hit the nail right in the head ! In the old days, firearms were not regulated because only the rich could afford them. And the rich were not a threat to the establishment ! Post WW1, suddenly you have - A huge number of trained soldiers returning home. Those same soldiers struggling to find work. Those same soldiers seeing the wealthy retain their wealth unaffected by the war. Those same soldiers reading news in the papers of the Russian revolution. Those same soldiers having access to a lot of military arms brought back / smuggled out of factories. Suddenly the Govt decided that firearms had to be regulated. It was NEVER about public safety. It was revolution prevention. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 1:22:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whenever I think of England and guns, I'm reminded of the ad that the British Government placed in the American Rifleman magazine during WW2. They begged for Americans to donate their personal guns so they could be passed out to British 'subjects' for the defense of England. This was in anticipation of an invasion by the Nazis. Americans responded and donated a lot of guns, but the British government never passed them out. American soldiers were busy dying in their effective defense against Hitler's offensive, so the British government didn't feel the need to risk arming their 'subjects'. After the Nazi threat had passed, instead of storing those American guns, or returning them, they dumped them in the ocean. I realize it's shortsighted, but I still feel like the U.S. shouldn't be Allies with nations that don't have a truly free, well-armed people that have a deterrent effect against foreign invaders. Hitler and Tojo wouldn't have been so willing to invade other countries that were defended by millions of well-armed citizens. And thousands of American servicemen wouldn't have had to die defending a bunch of helpless sheep. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 1:27:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I accept your point re carry. But my point stands - calling the British castrated and implying they are due to failure to resist is stupid. As I said, the establishment does not care about how you vote. I suppose the British situation is a bit like being a patriotic US citizen who believes in 2A but lives in CA. Is he a sheep ? Castrated ? No, the establishment there is hard to beat. Despite the improvement in carry laws, there has been steady increase in restictions. They are all infringements. Both countries have gun control - the UK is just a few decades ahead of the US. And if voting made a difference, they would not let us do it. Plus, it has been established that the ownership and carrying of arms is a fundamental right in the US, while the UK, it is a privilege and nothing more. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 1:30:16 PM EDT
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24, amateur.
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Posted: 11/22/2022 1:33:27 PM EDT
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The gun club across the motorway from Lakenheath was a very popular skeet and pistol range prior to the Dunblane massacre. I shot there for many years, and can tell you the great majority of members were British. They were forced to turn in many thousands of pounds worth of inventory for destruction, a decision that caused no end of bitterness in the shooting community. No one threw up their hands in surrender and gladly divested themselves of their dreaded firearms. It was a small, roughly homologous (allowing for regional strife) country at the time, and Dunblane had an affect that I've never seen mirrored in all the school shootings in the US combined.
To this day many of the country manors hold driven pheasant hunts, and you can still hunt stag in the highlands of Scotland. Both are very expensive, but the idea that "the common man" can no longer own a shotgun or rifle in England is just not true. Target shooting is still popular as well, but all firearms require a certificate. Multiple states in the US, including New York and California are working their way towards that exact same end. Incidentally, Churchill's private estate is in Kent, just outside London. It's called Chartwell, and I believe it's in the hands of the National Trust now. If you've done the larger London attractions and love history, it's a fascinating place to visit. All of his uniforms, militaria, books, medals and honors are on display, and they're pretty spectacular. I don't remember seeing a gun room, but that's not unusual. It's in a beautiful country setting, and well worth the drive. Highly recommended! Anybody been to Biltmore lately? The gun room is stripped clean, and that was built as a hunting lodge... |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 1:34:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL, FDR's America didn't believe in having a truly free, well-armed people either. Sadly, you have to go back prior to 1934 and the NFA, for that. But even in the condition we were in during WW2, we were in much better shape than our Allies. I had old friends that were veterans of that war, that told about the British soldiers that had trouble with their marksmanship because they weren't shooters prior to their military service. This was in contrast to the American 'farm boys' who already could shoot prior to joining. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 1:37:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think he packed a C-96 Broomhandle Mauser in Africa Yep I’ve seen photos of him as a young officer with the weapon |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 1:39:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think he packed a C-96 Broomhandle Mauser in Africa |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 1:40:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL, FDR's America didn't believe in having a truly free, well-armed people either. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Whenever I think of England and guns, I'm reminded of the ad that the British Government placed in the American Rifleman magazine during WW2. They begged for Americans to donate their personal guns so they could be passed out to British 'subjects' for the defense of England. This was in anticipation of an invasion by the Nazis. Americans responded and donated a lot of guns, but the British government never passed them out. American soldiers were busy dying in their effective defense against Hitler's offensive, so the British government didn't feel the need to risk arming their 'subjects'. After the Nazi threat had passed, instead of storing those American guns, or returning them, they dumped them in the ocean. I realize it's shortsighted, but I still feel like the U.S. shouldn't be Allies with nations that don't have a truly free, well-armed people that have a deterrent effect against foreign invaders. Hitler and Tojo wouldn't have been so willing to invade other countries that were defended by millions of well-armed citizens. And thousands of American servicemen wouldn't have had to die defending a bunch of helpless sheep. I believe Truman told the Brits to dump the Lend Lease guns as it was too much trouble to take them back. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 1:41:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The gun rooms at English country houses would make us weep for all the money and history within. But those were for the aristocrats, not the average man. Kharn I had an opportunity to visit the arms room of Castle Donan in Scotland. It was filled with a lot of junk, most of which looked like props. I asked a docent and was told that over the years, laws and budget demanded the removal of the good stuff and what was in the cases now was mostly non-working replicas as basically place holders. Some of the pieces were literally kids toys. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 2:15:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whenever I think of England and guns, I'm reminded of the ad that the British Government placed in the American Rifleman magazine during WW2. They begged for Americans to donate their personal guns so they could be passed out to British 'subjects' for the defense of England. This was in anticipation of an invasion by the Nazis. Americans responded and donated a lot of guns, but the British government never passed them out. American soldiers were busy dying in their effective defense against Hitler's offensive, so the British government didn't feel the need to risk arming their 'subjects'. After the Nazi threat had passed, instead of storing those American guns, or returning them, they dumped them in the ocean. I realize it's shortsighted, but I still feel like the U.S. shouldn't be Allies with nations that don't have a truly free, well-armed people that have a deterrent effect against foreign invaders. Hitler and Tojo wouldn't have been so willing to invade other countries that were defended by millions of well-armed citizens. And thousands of American servicemen wouldn't have had to die defending a bunch of helpless sheep. Every word you wrote is bullshit and historically wrong. Hitler and Tojo DID declare war against America. Facts, not feelings. Your fictional “armed rifleman behind every blade of grass” was obsolete by WW-I. Machine guns, Artillery and Poison gas don’t care about your fantasies. By WW-II, your lone rifleman was irrelevant. Tanks, Heavy bombers and Nukes changed the paradigm. We won the war with Factories and Industrialization combined with Logistics. An individually armed population is useless against an unrestrained and bloodthirsty ruler. If those individuals are not capably led, supplied, and acting in unison, they might as well not be armed at all. I hate that Willful Ignorance has become something people brag about. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 2:15:41 PM EDT
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It’s a shame they broke up the collection.
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Posted: 11/22/2022 2:27:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every word you wrote is bullshit and historically wrong. Hitler and Tojo DID declare war against America. Facts, not feelings. Your fictional “armed rifleman behind every blade of grass” was obsolete by WW-I. Machine guns, Artillery and Poison gas don’t care about your fantasies. By WW-II, your lone rifleman was irrelevant. Tanks, Heavy bombers and Nukes changed the paradigm. We won the war with Factories and Industrialization combined with Logistics. An individually armed population is useless against an unrestrained and bloodthirsty ruler. If those individuals are not capably led, supplied, and acting in unison, they might as well not be armed at all. The counterpoint to your belief is the Warsaw Ghetto uprising. If all of Europe would have had the same gun laws as the U.S., Hitler would have had thousands of uprisings. Look at what just a relatively few people, with a few guns did against the Nazi war machine in Warsaw. Extend that to the Philippines, etc, and see what a problem Tojo would have had. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 2:30:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Same in Australia and why they had a ban on military cartridges. Prior to WWI, an Aussie could muster out of the service and take/buy their rifle and many did. After WWI, .3030 British was a no go for the common Aussie. Wait, wut? What about all those target shooters who had 303 rifles. Lithgow even made heavy barrel ones which they fabricated rear aperture sights for. Because of the lack of optical sights, these were pressed into service as sniper rifles. |
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