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Posted: 3/12/2016 11:38:29 PM EDT
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Who is using an OV-10 in Iraq?
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Posted: 3/12/2016 11:42:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/12/2016 11:44:07 PM EDT
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It would be a lot harder to drop five paratroopers from the back of a Super Tucano than it would from a Bronco
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Posted: 3/12/2016 11:59:34 PM EDT
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The TPE-331 is just as tough, if not tougher than the PT-6.
I've got thousands of hours on both, and although the 331 can be temptemental on start it is a fine engine. Plus it's direct drive, and the power comes up fast compared to the PT-6. Just watch the OV-10 video posted here not long ago the pilot basically jams the power levers forward, not something I would suggest with a PT-6.(now granted I've never flown the FADEC PT-6's, but even then I assume there is still a lag due to the free turbine design) |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 12:25:22 AM EDT
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It would be a lot harder to drop five paratroopers from the back of a Super Tucano than it would from a Bronco Yep, there's that. Does the plane have to give up carrying ordnance to do that? |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 12:29:29 AM EDT
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Cost effective military operations? Heresy and witchcraft.
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Posted: 3/13/2016 12:32:35 AM EDT
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Yep, there's that. Does the plane have to give up carrying ordnance to do that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It would be a lot harder to drop five paratroopers from the back of a Super Tucano than it would from a Bronco Yep, there's that. Does the plane have to give up carrying ordnance to do that? Yes, the OV-10 carries basically nothing. It's an observation aircraft after all. The Super Tuco has a hell of a lot more relevant payload and because of the central fuselage mounted engine it has conventional wing pylons for forward firing munitions. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 12:34:52 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/13/2016 12:38:32 AM EDT
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OV10 has two engines.
Tucano has one. Comparison complete. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 12:42:51 AM EDT
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Yes, the OV-10 carries basically nothing. It's an observation aircraft after all. The Super Tuco has a hell of a lot more relevant payload and because of the central fuselage mounted engine it has conventional wing pylons for forward firing munitions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It would be a lot harder to drop five paratroopers from the back of a Super Tucano than it would from a Bronco Yep, there's that. Does the plane have to give up carrying ordnance to do that? Yes, the OV-10 carries basically nothing. It's an observation aircraft after all. The Super Tuco has a hell of a lot more relevant payload and because of the central fuselage mounted engine it has conventional wing pylons for forward firing munitions. You can arm a Bronco with 4 7.62s,a centerline 20mm and take your pick on 6 more hardpoints,up to and including 4 Hellfires out under each wing. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 12:43:48 AM EDT
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Count the engines on both airplanes.
Now imagine you're at low level, doing gun runs, or even medium altitude dropping hellfires on goatfuckers heads while you orbit the battlefield. Now remember the scene from Flight of the Intruder where the VC points his "100-year old musket" to the sky and gets a lucky hit on the Skyraider? When you take a hit from the golden BB, and inevitably every once in a while someone will, having certain redundancies is important. How many engines do you want, to get you home? Which is why the best ground attack aircraft come with two. See my avatar pic. For COIN, the Bronco can't be beat. If the airframes and parts are available (what'd we do, steal back from CalFire?), they deserve to be put to use. One of my favorite airplanes. For conflicts where the bad guys have armor and AAA, the A-10 is the answer. The Tucano is a fine airplane too, I advocated for them in the last few threads. I'm really just saying that in comparison, if both are equally available and operational, the Bronco wins. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 12:45:14 AM EDT
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Are there any modernized broncos?
We are already modding super taco's with US comms and other gear onboard. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 12:47:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/13/2016 12:51:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat's a fine payload, for a helicopter. 
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Posted: 3/13/2016 12:53:46 AM EDT
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We know the Bronco can use amphibious assault ships.
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Posted: 3/13/2016 12:55:13 AM EDT
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If only we had of developed aircraft for the COIN mission...
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Posted: 3/13/2016 12:55:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryIs all the extra ordnance on that bird real or Photoshopped? |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 1:02:24 AM EDT
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My first thought on reading the article was that SF was using the OV-10's deployment as "proof of concept" for light turbo prop aircraft based close to the troops they are supporting. Not as an attempt to get more OV-10's.
Personally, the one time I was waiting for air support, I didn't care that what showed up was a couple OH-58's instead of Apaches, F/A-18's, or a fucking B-52. I was just happy to have something with guns and ordnance overhead right then instead of taking off from a carrier in the Gulf or flying up from Kuwait or whatever. I am pretty sure the SF and infantry type are thinking the same thing. They could give two shits what particular light COIN aircraft they get, they just want something overhead when they call. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 1:03:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is all the extra ordnance on that bird real or Photoshopped? Quote HistoryQuoted: Is all the extra ordnance on that bird real or Photoshopped? |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 1:12:56 AM EDT
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If only we had of developed aircraft for the COIN mission... https://dk-media.s3.amazonaws.com/AA/AA/moomoo/headers/57338/Mohawk_Ordinance.jpg http://i.imgur.com/djeUudM.jpg was the a-37 any good? they look like a fun little jet to fly. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 1:16:28 AM EDT
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Did the ATF give their Bronco up to go to Iraq as well
yes yes I know it was taken from um and given to customs and the shell company they had it licensed under was folded up |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 1:18:02 AM EDT
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was the a-37 any good? they look like a fun little jet to fly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If only we had of developed aircraft for the COIN mission... https://dk-media.s3.amazonaws.com/AA/AA/moomoo/headers/57338/Mohawk_Ordinance.jpg http://i.imgur.com/djeUudM.jpg was the a-37 any good? they look like a fun little jet to fly. Our Latin American allies are flying the wings of the ones they got from us, fighting insurgents and doing counter drug patrols. It was easy to fix, had a second seat, well within their mission parameters. What is the modern replacement? |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 1:29:23 AM EDT
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Super Tuc all the way.
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Posted: 3/13/2016 1:29:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: was the a-37 any good? they look like a fun little jet to fly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If only we had of developed aircraft for the COIN mission... https://dk-media.s3.amazonaws.com/AA/AA/moomoo/headers/57338/Mohawk_Ordinance.jpg http://i.imgur.com/djeUudM.jpg was the a-37 any good? they look like a fun little jet to fly. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 1:39:02 AM EDT
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Read up on it for yourself, I've always liked them from the first time I saw one at an air show. http://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/legends-of-vietnam-super-tweet-8974282/?page=1 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If only we had of developed aircraft for the COIN mission... https://dk-media.s3.amazonaws.com/AA/AA/moomoo/headers/57338/Mohawk_Ordinance.jpg http://i.imgur.com/djeUudM.jpg was the a-37 any good? they look like a fun little jet to fly. http://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/legends-of-vietnam-super-tweet-8974282/?page=1 They are very cute. Like a European sports car with wings. Noisy as a banshee. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 1:40:37 AM EDT
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They are very cute. Like a European sports car with wings. Noisy as a banshee. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If only we had of developed aircraft for the COIN mission... https://dk-media.s3.amazonaws.com/AA/AA/moomoo/headers/57338/Mohawk_Ordinance.jpg http://i.imgur.com/djeUudM.jpg was the a-37 any good? they look like a fun little jet to fly. http://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/legends-of-vietnam-super-tweet-8974282/?page=1 They are very cute. Like a European sports car with wings. Noisy as a banshee. They called the A/T-37 the "tweet" for good reason. They do a great job at air shows, I was pretty surprised at the maneuverability. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 1:47:07 AM EDT
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Read up on it for yourself, I've always liked them from the first time I saw one at an air show. http://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/legends-of-vietnam-super-tweet-8974282/?page=1 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If only we had of developed aircraft for the COIN mission... https://dk-media.s3.amazonaws.com/AA/AA/moomoo/headers/57338/Mohawk_Ordinance.jpg http://i.imgur.com/djeUudM.jpg was the a-37 any good? they look like a fun little jet to fly. http://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/legends-of-vietnam-super-tweet-8974282/?page=1 after reading that, yes, yes it is. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 4:24:00 AM EDT
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Quoted: Is it possible to put the Pratt and Whitney PT6A engine on the Bronco? Yes. The OV-10X has a pair of them. The original OV-10As had a rather weak pair of engines. USAF ordered them with the less powerful engine. USAF didnt like or want the Bronco. USMC liked and wanted it, but they prdered the Bronco with the same weak engines. The Navy's Broncos came from the USMC. Since the Marines kept their OV-10As, they upgraded them after Vietnam. I believe it was the D model that got the powerplants originally intended. I dont know much about the OV-10G, but I think the cockpits were modernized and a new 5 blade prop assembly was added. The OV-10G+ is supposed to be fairly close to the OV-10X |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 4:32:32 AM EDT
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The OV-10 Bronco's versatility alone should give it the nod over the A-29, and I like the Super Taco
As others mentioned, you can haul 5 paratroops with it, 6 if you remove the rear seat. You can haul a fair amount of cargo and gravity drop it the same way you would the paratroopers. Speaking of cargo, you could use fuel tanks with parachutes to haul even more cargo. You can put two wounded personnel on stretchers in the back with a medic, or 3 without the medic. OV-10s can carry modern smart munitions. The OV-10X has always been said it would have the ability to slave armed UAVs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfC3ChIjCcQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49BpdALG3iU |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 4:34:02 AM EDT
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Yes. The OV-10X has a pair of them. The original OV-10As had a rather weak pair of engines. USAF ordered them with the less powerful engine. USAF didnt like or want the Bronco. USMC liked and wanted it, but they prdered the Bronco with the same weak engines. The Navy's Broncos came from the USMC. Since the Marines kept their OV-10As, they upgraded them after Vietnam. I believe it was the D model that got the powerplants originally intended. I dont know much about the OV-10G, but I think the cockpits were modernized and a new 5 blade prop assembly was added. The OV-10G+ is supposed to be fairly close to the OV-10X Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it possible to put the Pratt and Whitney PT6A engine on the Bronco? Yes. The OV-10X has a pair of them. The original OV-10As had a rather weak pair of engines. USAF ordered them with the less powerful engine. USAF didnt like or want the Bronco. USMC liked and wanted it, but they prdered the Bronco with the same weak engines. The Navy's Broncos came from the USMC. Since the Marines kept their OV-10As, they upgraded them after Vietnam. I believe it was the D model that got the powerplants originally intended. I dont know much about the OV-10G, but I think the cockpits were modernized and a new 5 blade prop assembly was added. The OV-10G+ is supposed to be fairly close to the OV-10X Didn't see anything about new engines here: http://www.ov-10bronco.net/Technical/boeing_ov-10%28x%29_super_bronco_info_card_2009_01.pdf The thought that the AF bought the OV-10 with shitty engines because we "didn't like or want it" is hilariously stupid. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 4:41:55 AM EDT
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You can arm a Bronco with 4 7.62s,a centerline 20mm and take your pick on 6 more hardpoints,up to and including 4 Hellfires out under each wing. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It would be a lot harder to drop five paratroopers from the back of a Super Tucano than it would from a Bronco Yep, there's that. Does the plane have to give up carrying ordnance to do that? Yes, the OV-10 carries basically nothing. It's an observation aircraft after all. The Super Tuco has a hell of a lot more relevant payload and because of the central fuselage mounted engine it has conventional wing pylons for forward firing munitions. You can arm a Bronco with 4 7.62s,a centerline 20mm and take your pick on 6 more hardpoints,up to and including 4 Hellfires out under each wing. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile G+ was carrying APKWS and .50 gun pod |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 4:55:42 AM EDT
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Our Latin American allies are flying the wings of the ones they got from us, fighting insurgents and doing counter drug patrols. It was easy to fix, had a second seat, well within their mission parameters. What is the modern replacement? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If only we had of developed aircraft for the COIN mission... https://dk-media.s3.amazonaws.com/AA/AA/moomoo/headers/57338/Mohawk_Ordinance.jpg http://i.imgur.com/djeUudM.jpg was the a-37 any good? they look like a fun little jet to fly. Our Latin American allies are flying the wings of the ones they got from us, fighting insurgents and doing counter drug patrols. It was easy to fix, had a second seat, well within their mission parameters. What is the modern replacement? F-35! |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 5:01:33 AM EDT
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I was with VMO-2. The OV-10A was a good aircraft. It was easy to fix. The mechanics could change an engine out in a couple of hours. The aircraft was built with a lot of redundant systems.
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Posted: 3/13/2016 5:11:19 AM EDT
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If only we had of developed aircraft for the COIN mission... https://dk-media.s3.amazonaws.com/AA/AA/moomoo/headers/57338/Mohawk_Ordinance.jpg http://i.imgur.com/djeUudM.jpg was the a-37 any good? they look like a fun little jet to fly. Our Latin American allies are flying the wings of the ones they got from us, fighting insurgents and doing counter drug patrols. It was easy to fix, had a second seat, well within their mission parameters. What is the modern replacement? F-35! Aaargh! The entire annual budget of the Salvadoran Army was just $120 million a few years ago! |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 11:09:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/13/2016 11:13:07 AM EDT
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The TPE-331 is just as tough, if not tougher than the PT-6. I've got thousands of hours on both, and although the 331 can be temptemental on start it is a fine engine. Plus it's direct drive, and the power comes up fast compared to the PT-6. Just watch the OV-10 video posted here not long ago the pilot basically jams the power levers forward, not something I would suggest with a PT-6.(now granted I've never flown the FADEC PT-6's, but even then I assume there is still a lag due to the free turbine design) What, in the name of Hindu butt sex, did you just say? 
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Posted: 3/13/2016 11:18:13 AM EDT
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was the a-37 any good? they look like a fun little jet to fly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If only we had of developed aircraft for the COIN mission... https://dk-media.s3.amazonaws.com/AA/AA/moomoo/headers/57338/Mohawk_Ordinance.jpg http://i.imgur.com/djeUudM.jpg was the a-37 any good? they look like a fun little jet to fly. They were our CAS in El Salvador. They had six of them. If the weather was good, we could have air support within fifteen minutes from call-out. Gutsy pilots, but had a habit of dropping ordnance a little close. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 11:22:44 AM EDT
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The OV-10 Bronco's versatility alone should give it the nod over the A-29, and I like the Super Taco As others mentioned, you can haul 5 paratroops with it, 6 if you remove the rear seat. You can haul a fair amount of cargo and gravity drop it the same way you would the paratroopers. Speaking of cargo, you could use fuel tanks with parachutes to haul even more cargo. You can put two wounded personnel on stretchers in the back with a medic, or 3 without the medic. OV-10s can carry modern smart munitions. The OV-10X has always been said it would have the ability to slave armed UAVs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfC3ChIjCcQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49BpdALG3iU No wonder the ATF wanted them. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 11:28:53 AM EDT
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Are there any modernized broncos? We are already modding super taco's with US comms and other gear onboard. Boeing has offered an OV10X with modernized avionics and engines. Kharn Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 11:30:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistorySeams to be .mil operating, prolly no contractor jobs 
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Posted: 3/13/2016 11:35:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a fine payload, for a helicopter. Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a fine payload, for a helicopter. Won't the Bronco be able to carry that load longer, cheaper per hour, and in high and hot conditions better than a whirlybird? |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 11:40:19 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/13/2016 11:54:35 AM EDT
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The OV-10 Bronco's versatility alone should give it the nod over the A-29, and I like the Super Taco As others mentioned, you can haul 5 paratroops with it, 6 if you remove the rear seat. You can haul a fair amount of cargo and gravity drop it the same way you would the paratroopers. Speaking of cargo, you could use fuel tanks with parachutes to haul even more cargo. You can put two wounded personnel on stretchers in the back with a medic, or 3 without the medic. OV-10s can carry modern smart munitions. The OV-10X has always been said it would have the ability to slave armed UAVs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfC3ChIjCcQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49BpdALG3iU I really don't know much about aircraft. But the whole concept of cheap versatile aircraft for COIN and low intensity conflicts when contrasted with the crap show that is the F35 makes me giddy. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 11:55:56 AM EDT
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Boeing has offered an OV10X with modernized avionics and engines. Kharn Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are there any modernized broncos? We are already modding super taco's with US comms and other gear onboard. Boeing has offered an OV10X with modernized avionics and engines. Kharn Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile John McCain put paid to OV-10X. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 12:01:03 PM EDT
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Boeing has offered an OV10X with modernized avionics and engines. Kharn Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are there any modernized broncos? We are already modding super taco's with US comms and other gear onboard. Boeing has offered an OV10X with modernized avionics and engines. Kharn Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I'm sure, for what? The low low price of $15M per unit? 
"But that's a bargain compared to $55M per unit for this other sexy bird that they really wanted.............." |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 12:21:29 PM EDT
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https://youtu.be/4Wx00Aq9Vsk
I see no need to phase these out, good machines |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 6:49:04 PM EDT
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The Marines ought to be operating them off of their Wasp LHDs. They'd be more capable than Harriers for the kinds of missions we're performing today. Far cheaper, too.
ETA- Bronco pron! 
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Posted: 3/14/2016 7:37:57 AM EDT
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Are there any modernized broncos? We are already modding super taco's with US comms and other gear onboard. Boeing has offered an OV10X with modernized avionics and engines. Kharn Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile John McCain put paid to OV-10X. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Kharn |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 7:41:14 AM EDT
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Count the engines on both airplanes. Now imagine you're at low level, doing gun runs, or even medium altitude dropping hellfires on goatfuckers heads while you orbit the battlefield. Now remember the scene from Flight of the Intruder where the VC points his "100-year old musket" to the sky and gets a lucky hit on the Skyraider? When you take a hit from the golden BB, and inevitably every once in a while someone will, having certain redundancies is important. How many engines do you want, to get you home? Which is why the best ground attack aircraft come with two. See my avatar pic. For COIN, the Bronco can't be beat. If the airframes and parts are available (what'd we do, steal back from CalFire?), they deserve to be put to use. One of my favorite airplanes. For conflicts where the bad guys have armor and AAA, the A-10 is the answer. The Tucano is a fine airplane too, I advocated for them in the last few threads. I'm really just saying that in comparison, if both are equally available and operational, the Bronco wins. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Man it's a shame all those A-1 drivers were basically flying suicide machines because they only had one engine. Same with the A-4's |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 9:37:35 AM EDT
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The TPE-331 is just as tough, if not tougher than the PT-6. I've got thousands of hours on both, and although the 331 can be temptemental on start it is a fine engine. Plus it's direct drive, and the power comes up fast compared to the PT-6. Just watch the OV-10 video posted here not long ago the pilot basically jams the power levers forward, not something I would suggest with a PT-6.(now granted I've never flown the FADEC PT-6's, but even then I assume there is still a lag due to the free turbine design) What, in the name of Hindu butt sex, did you just say? "Garret Grenades" (the TPE-331 engines - I heard that nickname used many years before I heard "Glock Grenades") "Push & Wait" (the P&W PT-6 engines - a comment on the lag between the pilot pushing the power lever forward, and the props getting the increased power from the engines) Quoted:
A-37 stuff removed to trim quote tree They are very cute. Like a European sports car with wings. Noisy as a banshee. So are the TPE-331 engines on the OV-10. When it's idling on the ground, the props are spinning at ninety something percent of max rpm. That's why those engines don't have the lag that P&W PT-6s have. The TPE-331 is governed to be running at around max rpm all the time. The pilot is essentially adjusting the blade angle of the prop, when he moves the power lever, and the engine's governor dumps more (or less) fuel into the engine to maintain rpm. "Instant throttle response." On a PT-6, the pilot moves the power lever, more fuel is dumped into the engine, and the prop's blade angle is adjusted to make use of the additional power from the engine. It takes a little more time than "instant". |
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