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Posted: 12/12/2022 3:56:55 PM EST
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Hilton played 10 games last season in his final year with the Colts. He had 23 receptions for 331 yards and 3 TDs. I'd much rather have TY Hilton on a small one year pro-rated deal than have OBJ on a relatively big multi-year deal with him most likely not even playing in the 2022 season. |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 4:00:08 PM EST
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There are 102 wide receivers with at least 5 contested targets this year. Only 3 have caught over 80% of those targets. One is Packers NDSU rookie WR Christian Watson.
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Posted: 12/12/2022 4:06:12 PM EST
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The last 5 minutes of the Cowboys/Texans game in its entirety.
If you can get past the absurdity of the first 55 minutes and how it never should’ve came down to that, the last 5 minutes was actually pretty exciting.   Houston Texans vs. Dallas Cowboys CRAZY ENDING |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 4:25:27 PM EST
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Posted: 12/12/2022 4:38:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wasn't talking just about yesterday's Jets/Bills game. I was speaking generally. Some big hits are more avoidable than others and it seems like every single time I watch a Bills game Allen is taking big hits that are VERY avoidable and they often happen in situations that don't even come close to warranting the risk. Especially for a franchise QB on a Super Bowl contender. I enjoy watching Allen play and don't want to see him miss the postseason. Especially if its due to him wanting to pick up an extra yard after a 15 yard gain on a 1st and 10 late in the 3rd quarter of a 35-10 game. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't think a QB coming back into a winnable game with major playoff implications and taking a big hit in the pocket is exactly comparable to a QB taking a big hit on the sideline instead of just running out of bounds because he wants to pick up one extra yard after an 18 yard run on 1st and 10.  We are talking big hits. The Josh vault wasn't nearly as big as Whites. Or Knox's TD for that matter. I am just pointing out that both will take their toll, like you said. Risking an injury is not worse than SUSTAINING the injury and then sustaining it AGAIN, and still choosing to subject yourself to that kind of punishment. I wasn't talking just about yesterday's Jets/Bills game. I was speaking generally. Some big hits are more avoidable than others and it seems like every single time I watch a Bills game Allen is taking big hits that are VERY avoidable and they often happen in situations that don't even come close to warranting the risk. Especially for a franchise QB on a Super Bowl contender. I enjoy watching Allen play and don't want to see him miss the postseason. Especially if its due to him wanting to pick up an extra yard after a 15 yard gain on a 1st and 10 late in the 3rd quarter of a 35-10 game. It's recurring behavior for Allen. If he doesn't stop, he's probably going to have a shorter career than LJax. |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 4:49:48 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's recurring behavior for Allen. If he doesn't stop, he's probably going to have a shorter career than LJax. You hope |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 4:51:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's recurring behavior for Allen. If he doesn't stop, he's probably going to have a shorter career than LJax. |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 4:54:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think a QB coming back into a winnable game with major playoff implications and taking a big hit in the pocket is exactly comparable to a QB taking a big hit on the sideline instead of just running out of bounds because he wants to pick up one extra yard after an 18 yard run on 1st and 10. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It sure is, but that doesn't mean you have to increase the chances of suffering a season-ending injury because you want to pick up one extra yard on a 10+ yard first down run so you take a big hit by the sideline instead of running out of bounds. Even if the hit itself doesn't directly cause a season-ending injury those hits takes a toll over time. So does coming back into the game after you get plowed by a charging DL and then again by a full speed linebacker.... I don't think a QB coming back into a winnable game with major playoff implications and taking a big hit in the pocket is exactly comparable to a QB taking a big hit on the sideline instead of just running out of bounds because he wants to pick up one extra yard after an 18 yard run on 1st and 10. That was a 3rd down run. He needed that yard for the first. |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 4:55:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He really is Big Ben 2.0. But instead of a motorcycle, it's going to be a linebacker who breaks him in half. Well good thing Milano plays for the Bills. He done broke 1 QB already 
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Posted: 12/12/2022 4:56:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That was a 3rd down run. He needed that yard for the first. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It sure is, but that doesn't mean you have to increase the chances of suffering a season-ending injury because you want to pick up one extra yard on a 10+ yard first down run so you take a big hit by the sideline instead of running out of bounds. Even if the hit itself doesn't directly cause a season-ending injury those hits takes a toll over time. So does coming back into the game after you get plowed by a charging DL and then again by a full speed linebacker.... I don't think a QB coming back into a winnable game with major playoff implications and taking a big hit in the pocket is exactly comparable to a QB taking a big hit on the sideline instead of just running out of bounds because he wants to pick up one extra yard after an 18 yard run on 1st and 10. That was a 3rd down run. He needed that yard for the first. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Official-2022-NFL-Discussion-Thread/5-2538542/&page=421#i101832357 |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 5:00:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well good thing Milano plays for the Bills. He done broke 1 QB already Two. He broke Tua first. |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 5:03:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It sure is, but that doesn't mean you have to increase the chances of suffering a season-ending injury because you want to pick up one extra yard on a 10+ yard first down run so you take a big hit by the sideline instead of running out of bounds. Even if the hit itself doesn't directly cause a season-ending injury those hits takes a toll over time. So does coming back into the game after you get plowed by a charging DL and then again by a full speed linebacker.... I don't think a QB coming back into a winnable game with major playoff implications and taking a big hit in the pocket is exactly comparable to a QB taking a big hit on the sideline instead of just running out of bounds because he wants to pick up one extra yard after an 18 yard run on 1st and 10. That was a 3rd down run. He needed that yard for the first. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Official-2022-NFL-Discussion-Thread/5-2538542/&page=421#i101832357 If this is the play you are talking about it was 3rd and 15.
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Posted: 12/12/2022 5:07:45 PM EST
[#13]
 Edit: To be fair, the Ravens were up 13-7 before Brown threw his first pass. The guy went 3/5 for 16 yards. He handed the ball off 14 times. |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 5:10:34 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You hope Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's recurring behavior for Allen. If he doesn't stop, he's probably going to have a shorter career than LJax. You hope Not really. Chiefs vs Bills games are the best, and the Bills are the team I would want representing the AFC in the Super Bowl if the Chiefs can't sneak in there with their clown shoes defense. I'm just stating simple facts. If Allen keeps sacrificing himself unnecessarily, there's going to be consequences. |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 5:12:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not really. Chiefs vs Bills games are the best, and the Bills are the team I would want representing the AFC in the Super Bowl if the Chiefs can't sneak in there with their clown shoes defense. I'm just stating simple facts. If Allen keeps sacrificing himself unnecessarily, there's going to be consequences. I suspect he's been told to calm that shit down some. |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 5:14:27 PM EST
[#16]
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Edit: To be fair, the Ravens were up 13-7 before Brown threw his first pass. The guy went 3/5 for 16 yards. He handed the ball off 14 times. Another example of how fucked QBR is without a large sample size. 3/5 with 16 yards passing for a 3.2 average 3 rushing attempts for -5 yards for a -1.7 average 56.7 QBR For reference, that would be good for 13th best in the entire NFL this season. |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 5:21:21 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Another example of how fucked QBR is without a large sample size. 3/5 with 16 yards passing for a 3.2 average 3 rushing attempts for -5 yards for a -1.7 average 56.7 QBR For reference, that would be good for 13th best in the entire NFL this season. So effectively his entire score was based on those 5 pass attempts (3 comp short, 1 inc short, 1 inc deep), for successfully handing the ball off 14 times and for taking 1 sack. |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 5:33:30 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just an FYI thing. Those 3 were kneel downs to end the game. QBR does not count kneel downs, they are completely removed from the equations. So effectively his entire score was based on those 5 pass attempts (3 comp short, 1 inc short, 1 inc deep), for successfully handing the ball off 14 times and for taking 1 sack. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Another example of how fucked QBR is without a large sample size. 3/5 with 16 yards passing for a 3.2 average 3 rushing attempts for -5 yards for a -1.7 average 56.7 QBR For reference, that would be good for 13th best in the entire NFL this season. So effectively his entire score was based on those 5 pass attempts (3 comp short, 1 inc short, 1 inc deep), for successfully handing the ball off 14 times and for taking 1 sack. My bad. Thanks for the correction. I also thank you for reminding me of all the times the greatest QB in NFL history took a kneel down with his helmet pressed up against his center's ass because he was hilariously obsessed with his career rushing stats.
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Posted: 12/12/2022 5:49:46 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My bad. Thanks for the correction. I also thank you for reminding me of all the times the greatest QB in NFL history took a kneel down with his helmet pressed up against his center's ass because he was hilariously obsessed with his career rushing stats. |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 5:59:58 PM EST
[#20]
@Bennjammin @RSG
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Posted: 12/12/2022 6:01:12 PM EST
[#21]
 Video from the obvious concussion. We'll have to see if his nano-bubble water knocks it out in a couple days again. |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 6:05:50 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @Bennjammin @RSG
https://media.tenor.com/b4bCC6vXfecAAAAC/hello-boys-independence-day.gif I had thought he was already off IR, but I guess it was he was "back practicing and they have 21 days to activate" kind of thing. |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 6:13:48 PM EST
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Posted: 12/12/2022 6:16:52 PM EST
[#24]
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjvD97TXwAIBda_?format=jpg&name=small Video from the obvious concussion. We'll have to see if his nano-bubble water knocks it out in a couple days again. The Cowboys almost losing to the Texans is getting all the attention, but, as bad as that was, in my subjective opinion, the Chiefs almost losing to the Broncos was probably worse. They had a 27-0 lead over the team with the worst offense in the NFL (who had never even scored 24 points all season) and yet despite a backup QB that offense found themselves with a 1st and 10 at midfield down by 6 points with 5 minutes to go. I honestly believe this was one of those 28-3 situations where every offensive series the Chiefs could've just taken a knee 3 times and punted and still won the game. |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 6:16:52 PM EST
[#25]
Yesterday was the first time since week 16 2014 that all 4 cat teams won in the same week. The Panthers won their first road game since November 2021. Meow ! ?? ?? ?? ??  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 6:19:02 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I had thought he was already off IR, but I guess it was he was "back practicing and they have 21 days to activate" kind of thing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @Bennjammin @RSG
https://media.tenor.com/b4bCC6vXfecAAAAC/hello-boys-independence-day.gif I had thought he was already off IR, but I guess it was he was "back practicing and they have 21 days to activate" kind of thing. What percent of Redskins fans would you guess want Wentz back at QB1? 20%? Less? Considering the Redskins were 2-4 with Wentz and 5-1-1 with Heinicke it's hard for me to imagine it being any more than that. |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 6:21:56 PM EST
[#27]
If the Bengals can win out.. @Bucs @Patriots Bills Ravens Certainly no gimmes. |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 6:34:07 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Marino is probably a top five QB in the history of the NFL. Romo might be top 20. He's the best pure quarterback the Dallas Cowboys have ever had imo. |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 6:46:50 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have no problem with that. But he gets treated like a bum rather than the best undrafted quarterback of all time. Had he been on better teams early in his career or not run into the injury bug, I think the story would be different. He's the best pure quarterback the Dallas Cowboys have ever had imo. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Marino is probably a top five QB in the history of the NFL. Romo might be top 20. He's the best pure quarterback the Dallas Cowboys have ever had imo. When talking about Tony Romo and how he was/is viewed I always go back to that Broncos game. 500+ Passing Yards 5 TDs 1 turnover (that wasn't even his fault) 140 Passer Rating 48 points scored The defense gives up 51 points and Romo, after playing one of the best regular games a Cowboys' QB has ever played, gets blamed for the loss. That game was Romo's career in a nutshell. |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 6:54:41 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd much rather have TY Hilton on a small one year pro-rated deal than have OBJ on a relatively big multi-year deal with him most likely not even playing in the 2022 season. Did I dream that it was announced that OBJ would not be available to play because of injury until next year's regular season, or is it a fact? Real question. |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 6:59:23 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There are 102 wide receivers with at least 5 contested targets this year. Only 3 have caught over 80% of those targets. One is Packers NDSU rookie WR Christian Watson. David, do you have ears, fingers, knees, and toes, or are you an AI being? Real question. 2 of 4 anyway? 
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Posted: 12/12/2022 7:00:28 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The last 5 minutes of the Cowboys/Texans game in its entirety. If you can get past the absurdity of the first 55 minutes and how it never should’ve came down to that, the last 5 minutes was actually pretty exciting.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk1evZHTd3kDa Boys woke up... |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 7:08:11 PM EST
[#33]
Quoted:
Edit: To be fair, the Ravens were up 13-7 before Brown threw his first pass. The guy went 3/5 for 16 yards. He handed the ball off 14 times.[/quote Shows how fucked up my Steelrs are under dumlin!   |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 7:11:21 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have no problem with that. But he gets treated like a bum rather than the best undrafted quarterback of all time. Had he been on better teams early in his career or not run into the injury bug, I think the story would be different. He's the best pure quarterback the Dallas Cowboys have ever had imo. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Marino is probably a top five QB in the history of the NFL. Romo might be top 20. He's the best pure quarterback the Dallas Cowboys have ever had imo. Could be. Buuuuutttttt. He didn't win the big one. You know. A Superbowl. Or a conference championship. Nooooooo. Rant over. The man was a tough cookie. He could play through painful injuries like no other QB that I know of. He is the best live TV talking head as of today. He may earn an HOF bust yet. We will see. I am sure he wanted a Superbowl ring more than an HOF bust. |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 7:21:16 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did I dream that it was announced that OBJ would not be available to play because of injury until next year's regular season, or is it a fact? Real question. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'd much rather have TY Hilton on a small one year pro-rated deal than have OBJ on a relatively big multi-year deal with him most likely not even playing in the 2022 season. Did I dream that it was announced that OBJ would not be available to play because of injury until next year's regular season, or is it a fact? Real question. To simply "be available to play," OBJ is ready right now. Hell, YOU are ready right now. However, to "be available to play at an NFL WR level" come postseason: all the evidence makes it seem very unlikely. TBH, I wouldn't be shocked if OBJ is NEVER ready. Or if he is he won't even make it one full season. |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 7:51:20 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Could be. Buuuuutttttt. He didn't win the big one. You know. A Superbowl. Or a conference championship. Nooooooo. Rant over. The man was a tough cookie. He could play through painful injuries like no other QB that I know of. He is the best live TV talking head as of today. He may earn an HOF bust yet. We will see. I am sure he wanted a Superbowl ring more than an HOF bust. And we're back to the argument that a quarterback sucks because he didn't win the big one. /shrug If that is how you judge QB's fair enough. But it leads to some pretty stupid conclusions based upon guys like Trent Dilfer. I hope Prescott wins a Super Bowl in his career with the cowboys. He is still not as good a qb as Romo was. Nor is he ever likely to be. But he is good enough to win one with a stout defense to bail him out on occasion. |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 8:00:03 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have no problem with that. But he gets treated like a bum rather than the best undrafted quarterback of all time. Had he been on better teams early in his career or not run into the injury bug, I think the story would be different. He's the best pure quarterback the Dallas Cowboys have ever had imo. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Marino is probably a top five QB in the history of the NFL. Romo might be top 20. He's the best pure quarterback the Dallas Cowboys have ever had imo. Want to know why Romo the quarterback didn't get respect he deserved? A big reason is that botched hold on the field goal attempt against Seattle in the playoffs. That set the narrative of his career in motion and nothing short of winning a Super Bowl was going to thwart it. Kind of sucks for him because he was a damn good QB. |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 8:07:51 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And we're back to the argument that a quarterback sucks because he didn't win the big one. /shrug If that is how you judge QB's fair enough. But it leads to some pretty stupid conclusions based upon guys like Trent Dilfer. I hope Prescott wins a Super Bowl in his career with the cowboys. He is still not as good a qb as Romo was. Nor is he ever likely to be. But he is good enough to win one with a stout defense to bail him out on occasion. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Could be. Buuuuutttttt. He didn't win the big one. You know. A Superbowl. Or a conference championship. Nooooooo. Rant over. The man was a tough cookie. He could play through painful injuries like no other QB that I know of. He is the best live TV talking head as of today. He may earn an HOF bust yet. We will see. I am sure he wanted a Superbowl ring more than an HOF bust. And we're back to the argument that a quarterback sucks because he didn't win the big one. /shrug If that is how you judge QB's fair enough. But it leads to some pretty stupid conclusions based upon guys like Trent Dilfer. I hope Prescott wins a Super Bowl in his career with the cowboys. He is still not as good a qb as Romo was. Nor is he ever likely to be. But he is good enough to win one with a stout defense to bail him out on occasion. Yup, we're back to "Dilfer > Marino." |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 8:08:04 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Want to know why Romo the quarterback didn't get respect he deserved? A big reason is that botched hold on the field goal attempt against Seattle in the playoffs. That set the narrative of his career in motion and nothing short of winning a Super Bowl was going to thwart it. Kind of sucks for him because he was a damn good QB. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Marino is probably a top five QB in the history of the NFL. Romo might be top 20. He's the best pure quarterback the Dallas Cowboys have ever had imo. Want to know why Romo the quarterback didn't get respect he deserved? A big reason is that botched hold on the field goal attempt against Seattle in the playoffs. That set the narrative of his career in motion and nothing short of winning a Super Bowl was going to thwart it. Kind of sucks for him because he was a damn good QB. It still boggles my mind that they used him as a holder. The starting QB has more important things to do. |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 8:10:59 PM EST
[#40]
Do I really want to watch this game?
Watching Belichick's defense smoke Calamari might be fun, but this game should have a lot of incompetent offense. |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 8:18:40 PM EST
[#41]
Murray is down in the first 80 seconds of the game.
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Posted: 12/12/2022 8:19:22 PM EST
[#42]
And... Kyler's wheels fell off already.
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Posted: 12/12/2022 8:21:39 PM EST
[#43]
Plenty of time for COD now...
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Posted: 12/12/2022 8:21:56 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not. I've watched Mariota play and supposedly the coaching staff thought he was their best chance at winning games. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm okay with being a Falcons fan. Having low expectations makes the few wins more exciting. Anxious to see what Ridder will do this week. I'm not. I've watched Mariota play and supposedly the coaching staff thought he was their best chance at winning games. Mariota is on IR for a knee injury, guess they were forced to play Ridder. Heard the Falcons signed another backup QB today. It’s a good opportunity to see what Ridder can do prior to the draft, Mariota isn’t the guy they need going forward. |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 8:22:12 PM EST
[#45]
Taken off on the cart. That's obviously not good
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Posted: 12/12/2022 8:22:35 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjvD97TXwAIBda_?format=jpg&name=small Video from the obvious concussion. We'll have to see if his nano-bubble water knocks it out in a couple days again. With the way he has been playing he probably has had a concussion all season. |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 8:22:40 PM EST
[#47]
ACL?
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Posted: 12/12/2022 8:35:53 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Plenty of time for COD now... 
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Posted: 12/12/2022 8:36:48 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It still boggles my mind that they used him as a holder. The starting QB has more important things to do. I agree. Though I've noticed some college teams still do that. Georgia, for example. |
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Posted: 12/12/2022 8:38:31 PM EST
[#50]
Probably the best play McCoy will have all game and it doesn't count because Hollywood Brown wasn't set.
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