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Posted: 10/28/2017 6:29:38 PM EDT
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I was getting there. Place holder from my phone so I could type it out. Anyway, took it out again. Its good enough for hunting with the 123 Hornady SST. When it gets hot, it isn't happy. So, clockwise from upper left: SST, Berger 130s on Federal, Wolf Military, 90 Grain American Eagle and Hornady Black (what I used to zero) in the middle. The other 3 groups were a more rapid fire starting with SST center, Berger upper right and then Black upper left. The 130 Berger showed a nice group but I don't know where the flyer came from. The vertical stringing on the SST was a surprise. If I were shooting a scope made for precision I think I could tighten up some more. Right now I am using a Leupold 3-9 VX-R Patrol which I am going to stick with. Thick stadia lines and 9X max isn't the best, but it will be good enough for hunting. So I have a maybe 300 yard Deer rifle that is lightweight. About 200 dollars in Ammo through the thing now. It is a lot of fun to shoot and throws out 123 grains with very little recoil with an A2 birdcage on it. Great for my kids, who it is for anyway. Deer hunt planned for January, so we will see how it goes. She was the reason I built mine. |
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Posted: 10/28/2017 6:42:13 PM EDT
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Sorry for shit picture. My little girl at 12 with her first deer. My younger boys are 13 and 10 and neither have gone deer hunting yet. Building this for them. That was a straight up 5.56 shooting a winchester 62 grain of some kind. Neck shot. DRT. Same gun. Primary Arms 1-4. Better picture, second deer. 
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Posted: 10/28/2017 8:32:54 PM EDT
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Hornady SST's work great on dear.
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Posted: 10/28/2017 10:13:53 PM EDT
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https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/25899/57918.JPG Sorry for shit picture. My little girl at 12 with her first deer. My younger boys are 13 and 10 and neither have gone deer hunting yet. Building this for them. That was a straight up 5.56 shooting a winchester 62 grain of some kind. Neck shot. DRT. Same gun. Primary Arms 1-4. Better picture, second deer. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/25899/57917.JPG 
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Posted: 10/28/2017 11:37:52 PM EDT
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Nice Sylvan!
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Posted: 10/29/2017 11:29:14 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/29/2017 12:48:20 PM EDT
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Just curious for those who shot Wolf in their Grendels, what does your groups look like at 100 yards? I'm wondering if I have a bad lot and should attempt to purchase another case. I shot them in both my 18" JP Enterprise barrel and Faxon 12" barrel with terrible results. Wolf ammo...  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/29/2017 2:07:48 PM EDT
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https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/25899/57918.JPG Sorry for shit picture. My little girl at 12 with her first deer. My younger boys are 13 and 10 and neither have gone deer hunting yet. Building this for them. That was a straight up 5.56 shooting a winchester 62 grain of some kind. Neck shot. DRT. Same gun. Primary Arms 1-4. Better picture, second deer. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/25899/57917.JPG |
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Posted: 10/29/2017 2:27:53 PM EDT
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Soon... I hope. Needs to have the barrel cut to 16.25", recrowned, threaded. Planning to put a Vortex HST 4-16x44 on top of it. The shitty part is I have the cash on hand, but I don't have enough free time to git-er-dun. 1st world problems. |
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Posted: 10/29/2017 3:32:19 PM EDT
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I posted this earlier in the thread. 100 yrds, 18" ARP barrel, rear bag, bipod. Shooting out of the back of my pick-up not really trying... Wolf ammo... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/142497/Cheap_Grendel-347261.JPG |
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Posted: 10/30/2017 8:44:22 AM EDT
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http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/20171029_131252.jpg Soon... I hope. Needs to have the barrel cut to 16.25", recrowned, threaded. Planning to put a Vortex HST 4-16x44 on top of it. The shitty part is I have the cash on hand, but I don't have enough free time to git-er-dun. 1st world problems. |
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Posted: 10/30/2017 1:14:15 PM EDT
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New factory ammo option introduced by Hornady for Sportsman's Warehouse:
6.5 Grendel American Gunner 123gr BTHP, 200rd box count, 70 cents per round. 
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Posted: 10/30/2017 1:25:41 PM EDT
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New factory ammo option introduced by Hornady for Sportsman's Warehouse: 6.5 Grendel American Gunner 123gr BTHP, 200rd box count, 70 cents per round. https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4510/26236824119_9939b4bdfc_z.jpg |
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Posted: 10/30/2017 1:34:44 PM EDT
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Sst is a tipped bullet and marketed as suitable for hinting.
Bthp is usually not recommended for hunting due to "icepicking" but I haven't heard about this particular load/bullet- so will defer to those who have shot things with it. Edit: I remember shooting 7.62x39 123 grain hp into gel and water and it did nothing but yaw and leave a skinny hole and over penetrate. |
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Posted: 10/30/2017 1:35:53 PM EDT
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Brownells has everything Faxon Firearms on sale right now, including Grendel barrels. Use code "H7L" to take another $20 off a $200 order. I got the 16" match series 6.5 gunner barrel for ~$170 with the code by adding some other odds and ends on the order to get it over $200. I also got the 15" carbon fiber hand guard for $260 shipped using the same code on a separate order.
https://www.brownells.com/manufacturers/faxon+firearms/index.htm ETA: I need mags now. What is everyone using? |
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Posted: 10/30/2017 1:37:16 PM EDT
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Have absolutely no need for it, but picked up a Howa 20" w/green stock last week. Great little rifle for banging around. Not sure if I'll have son use it or one of the 2 Grendel ARs for deer this year.
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Posted: 10/30/2017 1:40:07 PM EDT
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Sst is a tipped bullet and marketed as suitable for hinting. Bthp is usually not recommended for hunting due to "icepicking" but I haven't heard about this particular load/bullet- so will defer to those who have shot things with it. Edit: I remember shooting 7.62x39 123 grain hp into gel and water and it did nothing but yaw and leave a skinny hole and over penetrate. Depends on the nature of the Hollow Point. |
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Posted: 10/30/2017 1:50:38 PM EDT
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Boat Tail Hollow Point? Depends on the nature of the Hollow Point. Not like pistol bullets |
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Posted: 10/30/2017 1:59:47 PM EDT
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Most rifle bthp is made that way for accuracy and not terminal ballistics. Not like pistol bullets A picture of the actual round would do much to answer a fairly simple question. Not that 30 cents per round is that big a deal. |
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Posted: 10/30/2017 2:00:36 PM EDT
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Understood, but still doesn't discount the point that there are BTHP made for hunting. A picture of the actual round would do much to answer a fairly simple question. Not that 30 cents per round is that big a deal. |
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Posted: 10/31/2017 4:42:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/2/2017 8:01:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/2/2017 8:05:09 PM EDT
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Is it loose ammo in the box or individually-boxed inside?
Pics of inside/ammo would be nice. Same for COL of the rounds. Maybe I should head to Sportsman's myself. I have 2 of them within 15 minutes of me. ETA: You updated as I was typing. |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 8:11:35 PM EDT
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Interesting 70cpr at sportsman guide makes me think it could be found cheaper
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Posted: 11/2/2017 8:16:42 PM EDT
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Interesting 70cpr at sportsman guide makes me think it could be found cheaper And where else? 
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Posted: 11/2/2017 8:19:35 PM EDT
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They had a bunch of 223 and 6.8spc in those cases on the shelf but no grendelski.
Was about to leave but asked a worker. He went back in back and got one for me. Said they just came in . |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 9:00:26 PM EDT
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Warehouse. And where else? 
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Posted: 11/2/2017 9:02:43 PM EDT
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1st five grabbed out of the loose bag. No padding in loose bag.
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Posted: 11/2/2017 9:44:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/2/2017 10:14:13 PM EDT
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No where yet. Just saying... soon Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Warehouse. And where else? 
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Posted: 11/2/2017 10:33:52 PM EDT
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It's a Sportsman's Warehouse exclusive. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Warehouse. And where else? |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 1:14:43 PM EDT
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1st five grabbed out of the loose bag. No padding in loose bag. https://i.imgur.com/01lpLoQ.jpg https://i.imgur.com/JWelHtB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/GKVqIaz.jpg https://i.imgur.com/8xkR9BZ.jpg Do you have any 123gr SMKs you can compare those to? What's the projectile length of these 123gr BTHPs? |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 4:42:37 PM EDT
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Don't have any smk 123s |
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Posted: 11/4/2017 4:07:59 PM EDT
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I picked up a box of the new gunner ammo today. I'm not a big fan of measuring COAL, especially for HP's, other than to make sure the cartridge will fit in a mag. I much prefer to measure base-to-ogive. I grabbed 10 random ones and these are what they measured:
1.6955 1.695 1.696 1.6925 1.6965 1.696 1.6955 1.6955 1.697 1.696 For comparison's sake the Hornady Black ammo with the 123 ELD measures ~1.664. Was kinda surprised to see the gunner stuff with the ogive that much farther out. |
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Posted: 11/4/2017 4:10:46 PM EDT
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My Sportsmans has at least five boxes of the American Gunner ammo. Maybe more.
And two real dusty boxes of 6.8 SPC II.
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Posted: 11/4/2017 4:17:45 PM EDT
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There was a thread recently talking about hunting calibers for the AR. The 6.5 was talked about and it showed some impressive (but unverified) ballistics. I was thinking about it yesterday while sitting in my blind and last night I decided to see what PSA had in uppers. Nope. I jump over to BCM. Nope. Head to Spikes. Nope. Bushmaster? Nope. Rock River, Larue, Noveske? Nope, nope, nope. It seems nobody chambers this round in their rifles save for a couple of no-name off brands I've never heard of. If it's all that and a bag of chips, why doesn't anyone care to chamber a rifle for it? In my opinion, You are talking about more of a consumer sales question, then a validity of a caliber question. The 6.5 not being sold is less about whether or not the cartridge is good and more about business decisions based on consumer demand. I think its probably for the same reasons that happens with most new products (either good or bad) that never take off... Its the public demand isn't high enough for the companies to bother investing in stocking or making a new product when there isn't a demand for it from the consumer and those same companies aren't having trouble selling the ones they already produce. If a large percentage of prospective customers where moving away from more common calibers and only buying 6.5 Grendel, then the companies who sell common calibers now would start carrying 6.5 Grendel. Its a self generated cycle though, as I would imagine most prospective 6.5 grendel customers end up sticking with more common calibers due to the availability of parts and ammo... and the companies making the more widely available parts and ammo stick with the calibers because the consumers do. |
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Posted: 11/4/2017 4:36:52 PM EDT
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I picked up a box of the new gunner ammo today. I'm not a big fan of measuring COAL, especially for HP's, other than to make sure the cartridge will fit in a mag. I much prefer to measure base-to-ogive. I grabbed 10 random ones and these are what they measured: 1.6955 1.695 1.696 1.6925 1.6965 1.696 1.6955 1.6955 1.697 1.696 For comparison's sake the Hornady Black ammo with the 123 ELD measures ~1.664. Was kinda surprised to see the gunner stuff with the ogive that much farther out. Just the way it is. |
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Posted: 11/4/2017 5:44:41 PM EDT
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http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/20171029_131252.jpg Soon... I hope. Needs to have the barrel cut to 16.25", recrowned, threaded. Planning to put a Vortex HST 4-16x44 on top of it. The shitty part is I have the cash on hand, but I don't have enough free time to git-er-dun. 1st world problems. This is a Grendel? I want one so,who makes it? I must get out more. 
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Posted: 11/4/2017 5:52:53 PM EDT
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Yeah- I have always gotten erratic oal measurement with hp/otm projectiles. Just the way it is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I picked up a box of the new gunner ammo today. I'm not a big fan of measuring COAL, especially for HP's, other than to make sure the cartridge will fit in a mag. I much prefer to measure base-to-ogive. I grabbed 10 random ones and these are what they measured: 1.6955 1.695 1.696 1.6925 1.6965 1.696 1.6955 1.6955 1.697 1.696 For comparison's sake the Hornady Black ammo with the 123 ELD measures ~1.664. Was kinda surprised to see the gunner stuff with the ogive that much farther out. Just the way it is. Due to the rather extreme difficulty in getting the ogive shape identical every single time when making a die, they're all a little different. |
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Posted: 11/5/2017 11:10:20 AM EDT
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What am i seeing here? This is a Grendel? I want one so,who makes it? I must get out more. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/20171029_131252.jpg Soon... I hope. Needs to have the barrel cut to 16.25", recrowned, threaded. Planning to put a Vortex HST 4-16x44 on top of it. The shitty part is I have the cash on hand, but I don't have enough free time to git-er-dun. 1st world problems. This is a Grendel? I want one so,who makes it? I must get out more. MODULAR DRIVEN TECHNOLOGIES - HOWA 1500 LSS CHASSIS MINI ACTION MODULAR DRIVEN TECHNOLOGIES - MDT CHASSIS ACCESSORY RAILS - 2.5" WARNE MFG. COMPANY - HOWA MINI ACTION MOUNTAIN TECH SCOPE BASES VORTEX OPTICS - VIPER SCOPE RINGS - 30mm, 0.87" height You will also need to pick up an AR15 buffer tube, buttstock, and pistol grip (no beaver tail). It uses the Howa 5 and 10 round Grendel magazines, but I've never been able to find a 10 rounder in stock. |
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Posted: 11/5/2017 3:09:21 PM EDT
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*note eld m tip was damaged (smooshed a bit) with the kinetic bullet puller. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 11:31:08 AM EDT
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Finally got around to shooting my 12 inch faxon barrel & zeroing a scope. Didn't take any pictures but it was shooting tight groups with Federal Fusion, all rounds touching each other at 100 yards. The wolf stuff opens up to 2-3 inches if I had to guess. It was getting dark and I didn't have time to inspect closer.
My 6.8 PRI mag has been 100% on function in the 6.5 FWIW. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 12:06:43 PM EDT
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HOWA - 1500 BARRELED ACTION MINI ACTION HEAVY BARREL BLUE 6.5 GRENDEL MODULAR DRIVEN TECHNOLOGIES - HOWA 1500 LSS CHASSIS MINI ACTION MODULAR DRIVEN TECHNOLOGIES - MDT CHASSIS ACCESSORY RAILS - 2.5" WARNE MFG. COMPANY - HOWA MINI ACTION MOUNTAIN TECH SCOPE BASES VORTEX OPTICS - VIPER SCOPE RINGS - 30mm, 0.87" height You will also need to pick up an AR15 buffer tube, buttstock, and pistol grip (no beaver tail). It uses the Howa 5 and 10 round Grendel magazines, but I've never been able to find a 10 rounder in stock. 
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Posted: 11/7/2017 2:45:44 PM EDT
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Another find on the shelf
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Posted: 11/7/2017 3:17:36 PM EDT
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I ran to Cabela's yesterday, they had a few factory loads available, and had a few different boxes of bullets for reloading. That's good to see. Going to a friend's on Friday to see his reloading set up, then I might take the plunge.
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Posted: 11/7/2017 6:48:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/7/2017 6:49:15 PM EDT
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As soon as aim ships my carbine gas tube I'll put this sbr together.
I swear I bought a gas tube but I must have misplaced it |
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Posted: 11/7/2017 10:32:17 PM EDT
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As soon as aim ships my carbine gas tube I'll put this sbr together. I swear I bought a gas tube but I must have misplaced it |
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Posted: 11/7/2017 10:58:01 PM EDT
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Right? I think they must make those things out of left socks. |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 11:54:13 AM EDT
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Brownells has everything Faxon Firearms on sale right now, including Grendel barrels. Use code "H7L" to take another $20 off a $200 order. I got the 16" match series 6.5 gunner barrel for ~$170 with the code by adding some other odds and ends on the order to get it over $200. I also got the 15" carbon fiber hand guard for $260 shipped using the same code on a separate order. https://www.brownells.com/manufacturers/faxon+firearms/index.htm ETA: I need mags now. What is everyone using?  Attached File: |
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