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Posted: 3/15/2017 9:15:43 AM EDT
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Can Chillicothe get any worse? You couldn't pay me to live there.
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Posted: 3/15/2017 9:19:26 AM EDT
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That's ridiculous. I've known Chillicothe has had a heroin problem for a while now but it's still weird to wrap my mind around. I used to shoot a lot at the Camp Sherman range facility there.
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Posted: 3/15/2017 9:21:35 AM EDT
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Basically they all went from pain pills to heroin, with predictable results. I kind of feel sorry for the parents (in some cases). Bad situation all the way around.
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Posted: 3/15/2017 9:21:50 AM EDT
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Heroin is obviously not deadly enough. If it were this would be a self solving problem
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Posted: 3/15/2017 9:23:32 AM EDT
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Meh, self correcting problem....
If they'd stop giving out that Narcan shit like candy, there'd be less survivors... ETA Beat by 2 minutes.... 
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Posted: 3/15/2017 9:25:30 AM EDT
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I grew up close to there. The thing I don't understand is how people are fucking dumb enough to stick a needle with a mystery concoction in it in their arm and push down the plunger.
Pills, weed, coke, I can understand the desire. But heroin, WTF??? |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 9:26:01 AM EDT
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My wife is originally from the Cleveland area. She knew probably half a dozen people that have died from heroin. Her brother was an addict, OD'd at least 3 times, lucky he's alive. Now he's sober, no drugs or alcohol. It's bad stuff. Couldn't pay me enough money to live in Ohio or out east for that matter where this stuff is going on.
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Posted: 3/15/2017 9:29:04 AM EDT
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Heroin is obviously not deadly enough. If it were this would be a self solving problem Just wait till they get their hands on fentanyl |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 9:30:12 AM EDT
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Heroin is obviously not deadly enough. If it were this would be a self solving problem Heroin is plenty deadly. Its the narcan that keeps cheating Darwin. |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 9:34:23 AM EDT
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I grew up close to there. The thing I don't understand is how people are fucking dumb enough to stick a needle with a mystery concoction in it in their arm and push down the plunger. Pills, weed, coke, I can understand the desire. But heroin, WTF??? In a way pills weed and coke are the same thing. You never know what was sprayed on the weed You never know what the coke was cut with You never know if the pills are real |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 9:34:41 AM EDT
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I had Fentanyl patches once for back pain. Stay away from that drug. Heroin dependence is probably easier to kick. The withdrawals seriously almost killed me. I lost like 30lbs and felt like someone had jumper cables attached to my brain and was firing them off every couple hours (I suppose those were mini seizures looking back on it, fuck was it painful!). My arms and legs would shake violently about every thirty seconds, and one minute I was cold, the next sweating my arse off. I would go days without a wink of sleep, and every minute felt like a week had gone by.
The emotional distress was unbelievable as well. Everything mistake I'd ever made in life filled my dreams and waking hours and the self loathing was relentless. That was my first taste of opiate withdrawal. I was not an addict, just in severe pain. I stopped taking Fentanyl of my own will because of the horrifying dreams and thank god I did. Here's the scary part--I was only on it for less than two months! After that I think I understand a bit about why heroin addicts are willing to go to such great lengths to get more drugs. The pain of withdrawal from high doses of the hard core opiates is indescribable. They may have started in order to get high but they quickly will do anything to avoid withdrawal, and that's probably why most start injecting. Just don't do it, ever, and if you know someone on it don't disown them, but keep pushing them to get professional help. Cold turkey is not the way to go, get them into a suboxone or mehadone center ASAP. |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 9:35:52 AM EDT
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Should we start a campaign for DNR markers for addicts that don't want to be "saved?"
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Posted: 3/15/2017 9:36:36 AM EDT
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Pills, weed, coke, I can understand the desire. But heroin, WTF??? They've cracked down on the pills, so heroin is a cheap and available alternative to those already hooked on pain pills. |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 9:41:34 AM EDT
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Heroin is plenty deadly. Its the narcan that keeps cheating Darwin. There is a plus side to Narcan. It gives an instantaneous bout of withdrawal to the addict. Kind of like one minute they're floating in a warm and wonderful haze, and then its "Welcome to the planet, motherfucker." A Bobcat's gotta get his satisfaction where he can these days. I'd rather they all get off the stuff and find productive lives. I really do wish that for all of them. But ultimately the choice is up to them. Mr. Johnson's War on Poverty sure did have some unintended consequences. Hillbillies can handle Freedom. We don't do so well with free money. |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 10:16:48 AM EDT
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Lost a friend from HS to an OD three years ago. Got hooked on it when we were in college. His family thought he had gotten cleaned up but he relapsed. Left behind a young son, lots of heartache.
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Posted: 3/15/2017 10:37:24 AM EDT
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My wife is originally from the Cleveland area. She knew probably half a dozen people that have died from heroin. Her brother was an addict, OD'd at least 3 times, lucky he's alive. Now he's sober, no drugs or alcohol. It's bad stuff. Couldn't pay me enough money to live in Ohio or out east for that matter where this stuff is going on. Glad to hear there's no heroin in Colorado. 
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Posted: 3/15/2017 10:42:12 AM EDT
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Basically they all went from pain pills to heroin, with predictable results. I kind of feel sorry for the parents (in some cases). Bad situation all the way around. I worked with a guy who has lost his son to the needle. It's heartbreaking to watch. |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 10:50:20 AM EDT
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Glad to hear there's no heroin in Colorado. never said there wasn't, it's everywhere, but seems way worse in the midwest and eastern states than rural areas out west...maybe I'm wrong, but it's really messed up when half a dozen people you knew growing up died from the stuff and it's getting worse and I never hear about it in my small town and no one has ever died here from it. (it's there, but the druggies are usually outcasts or college students). It always seems to come back to Ohio as a hotbed for the stuff, especially the new fentanyl craze too. A bit part of it has to do with economic conditions which makes sense for it being bad around inner city areas in the midwest. |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 10:51:32 AM EDT
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I grew up close to there. The thing I don't understand is how people are fucking dumb enough to stick a needle with a mystery concoction in it in their arm and push down the plunger. Pills, weed, coke, I can understand the desire. But heroin, WTF??? ( If god made anything better,he kept it for himself) Charley Parker |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 10:52:12 AM EDT
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The heroin use in Oregon is out of control, too.
I5 runs right from San Diego up through LA, SF, Eugene, Portland, Seattle into Canada. Gotta be one of the main drug trafficking routes in the country. Anyway yeah it's not pretty. |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 10:57:09 AM EDT
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Church, many of you need it.
It's all a big Darwin joke until it's your loved one. Addicted people only need to survive long enough to get clean. It's tragic when they don't. |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 11:01:01 AM EDT
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Until the government issues permits to bag heroin dealers with bounties; this will continue to its logical conclusion.
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Posted: 3/15/2017 11:06:15 AM EDT
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Church, many of you need it. It's all a big Darwin joke until it's your loved one. Addicted people only need to survive long enough to get clean. It's tragic when they don't. ^^^ This Most just assume a story about a person in their head when everybody's different. My brother in law was an addict. He was diagnosed with an auto immune disorder with his digestive system, docs kept telling them they didn't know how to treat it, kept prescribing him pain pills for the pain. After awhile the prescrips ran out, turned to heroin and snorted it once since he was told it was so close to being the same thing as a pain pill. One thing led to another and was a full blown addict, stealing from family, OD'd 3 times, almost died. Failed rehab once, the 2nd time he went voluntarily, got clean. Had trouble with alcohol after rehab the 2nd time, finally clean of alcohol and drugs and picking up the pieces of destroying relationships, ect. While it's his own fault, you can't help but feel for him. A lot of people want to get help/clean, but like others have said, the avoidance of withdrawal is a huge motivator in not getting clean. |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 11:09:09 AM EDT
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Can Chillicothe get any worse? You couldn't pay me to live there. Hear me out on this... Bum Fights, but they're rigged so the house always wins! |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 11:13:52 AM EDT
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Heroin is obviously not deadly enough. If it were this would be a self solving problem |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 11:14:47 AM EDT
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Church, many of you need it. It's all a big Darwin joke until it's your loved one. Addicted people only need to survive long enough to get clean. It's tragic when they don't. Horseshit. I'd sooner drag my first cousin out back and be done with it than continue down the - "Steal from my uncle, sell it for a loss for quick cash, hide at my grandfathers, steal, sell it at a loss for quick cash, back with my uncle again" dance anymore. You can't imagine the amount of shit that little fucker has stolen. Addicts always find a way. If he OD'd in front of me and I had the ability to prolong his life - I would run, not walk, the other direction. |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 11:30:40 AM EDT
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Wifes cousin has been doing it for a decade now. Been in and out of rehad and jail. Has a kid from some drug dealer she dated. Wifes aunt and uncle took custody of the kid and have cut all dies with the drug shoot mess of a person. She stole $25,000 from her own sister, $4,000 from the grand mother and constantly begs for hand outs. At this point most of the family treats her like she is already dead, both emotionally because of the harm she has caused and physically because she is non-existent in our lives and everyone knows its not if she dies, but when.
My cousin has the same issue. He missed my brothers wedding because of his addiction. Hes "clean" for now but hes gotten clean a dozen times and the needle keeps calling him. Seems like every one has some family member in this part of the US who does heroin And i personally think narcan is a blessing and a curse. Its saved my wifes cousin at least twice, but has created a growing population of drug users and dealers. People no longer see a rick of using heroin and use it recreationally. We are preventing Darwin from doing its thing. |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 11:36:41 AM EDT
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Heroin is obviously not deadly enough. If it were this would be a self solving problem We need stronger heroin and ban Narcam. |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 11:43:15 AM EDT
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a junkie will always be a junkie. even when they get clean they are one day from saying fuck it and stealing your stuff
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Posted: 3/15/2017 11:43:33 AM EDT
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Don't care if people want to throw their life away with dope. I do care when they steal my shit to pay for their habit. Fucking druggie thieves should be shot.
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Posted: 3/15/2017 11:49:49 AM EDT
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Ban narcan.
Bounties on the pusher man's head. Severed only. Preload the free handout needles with HIV & HepC. Do a Project Eldest Son variant with heroin by spiking 10% of random doses with a healthy dose Carfentanil. |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 12:03:15 PM EDT
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An addict does nothing but drag their whole family into the hole that they're in. If they're stupid enough to OD and die then they're doing their family and society as a whole a favor. All this mess about addiction is a disease is just a way to make an excuse for that person's weakness. Human beings have something called free will and you are free to make any choice that you want to make. Your choices define your life. If you choose to drink alcohol until you're an alcoholic then it's not a 'disease' but your own personal choices that got you to that point. If you take drugs to get high then realize that you're an addict, you cannot blame it on a 'disease' but it's your own choices that got you to that point. I have a son sitting in prison because he CHOSE to steal to support his addiction. I haven't spoken to him or gone to see him in prison because I don't feel sorry for him. I don't feel pity for him. I'm glad he's there and maybe it's what it takes to make him quit using. He chose his life and now he has to pay for that. If he chooses to stay clean when he gets out and build his life then I will be happy to help out but if he chooses to go back down that hole then he will have to deal with the consequences.
There is no cure for addiction because it's not a disease. Calling it a disease takes away the personal blame for the bad choices that you make. It's no longer your fault but can be blamed on a disease. I had an argument with a liberal drug councilor once who tried to say it''s a disease but it really boils down to the personal choices that you make every day. Addiction is a product of ones own actions. You choose to be an addict or not. If you suddenly realize that you're addicted to something and then not get help in the cessation of that addiction, that is your personal choice and you have to live or die with it. I was a nicotine addict for 27 years until I chose to not smoke anymore. Me, I, chose to not smoke anymore. The key word here is choice. |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 12:08:56 PM EDT
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We need stronger heroin and ban Narcam. carfentanil, 10,000 times more potent than morphine, and 100 times more potent than fentanyl. It's already producing lots of ODs in Ohio. |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 12:11:50 PM EDT
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never said there wasn't, it's everywhere, but seems way worse in the midwest and eastern states than rural areas out west...maybe I'm wrong, but it's really messed up when half a dozen people you knew growing up died from the stuff and it's getting worse and I never hear about it in my small town and no one has ever died here from it. (it's there, but the druggies are usually outcasts or college students). It always seems to come back to Ohio as a hotbed for the stuff, especially the new fentanyl craze too. A bit part of it has to do with economic conditions which makes sense for it being bad around inner city areas in the midwest. Look at a map of Ohio and eastern states compared to out west, OH has a whole lot of major interstates going through it and is more condensed then some of the western states. The highways are the drug routes and its easy to move the drugs into the cities when most of the major ones are right off a highway. FL and OH were major pill mills and when those shut down it went to H. All the states have a problem but some aren't as reported as much. |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 12:15:00 PM EDT
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Can Chillicothe get any worse? You couldn't pay me to live there. |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 12:15:33 PM EDT
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Kasic's fault
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Posted: 3/15/2017 12:19:11 PM EDT
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I've lost a couple friends to OD'ing, and another recently who hung himself because of his shame over his addiction. Took dental records to ID him after hunters discovered him
Recently ran into an old friend who was actually boasting that it took 3 narcans to bring him back.
A few weeks ago a couple county sheriff departments were warning of finding fentynal-laced weed. This shit is killing our people. |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 12:21:35 PM EDT
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Isn't there a thing now that blocks the receptors in the junkies brain?
It lasts like 28 days. |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 12:25:18 PM EDT
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I have no sympathy for addicts, or people who enable and make excuses for them. My mother and sister were both addicts, and lied, stole from, and fucked over everyone they ever came into contact with. I had to cut them both out of my life, and they are both in the ground now. My sister at the age 23, and my mother at the age of 57. And everyone who ever knew them is better for it because the head, heart, and ass ache they provided is over.
I honestly don't know what I would do if one of my kids goes down that dark road, I have seen it tear people apart trying to help and the addict spitting in the helpers face time and time again. |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 12:31:34 PM EDT
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Ohio, might as well be called northern Florida.
Only thing good about Ohio is Super Subby's... |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 12:32:06 PM EDT
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Can Chillicothe get any worse? You couldn't pay me to live there. The burial mounds are cool. |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 12:37:31 PM EDT
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If the country was really serious about the war on drugs, we would start executing drug dealers on a massive scale.
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Posted: 3/15/2017 12:39:22 PM EDT
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Can Chillicothe get any worse? You couldn't pay me to live there. Waterbeds N More was interesting though. |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 12:44:45 PM EDT
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one cousin dead from AIDS from sharing needles. Another cousin a junkie and will be dead soon. Three more cousins in jail. All Chillicothe.
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Posted: 3/15/2017 12:48:40 PM EDT
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Lived in Marion for awhile, heroin is like tic tacs there
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Posted: 3/15/2017 12:50:35 PM EDT
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The Mexican drug cartels toast this epidemic
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Posted: 3/15/2017 12:53:02 PM EDT
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Quoted:
<a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/on-the-streets-of-chillicothe-ohio-shooting-heroin-is-like-drinking-beer/2016/12/29/9d4bae9c-c2fd-11e6-92e8-c07f4f671da4_video.html" target="_blank">https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/on-the-streets-of-chillicothe-ohio-shooting-heroin-is-like-drinking-beer/2016/12/29/9d4bae9c-c2fd-11e6-92e8-c07f4f671da4_video.html </a>This little blurb is a pretty good view into the the part of the universe where addicts and normal collide. And the addicts are seemingly taking over. You guys outside of Appalachia have no idea. The Great Society is imploding and Mexican carfentanil is the atom bomb. I have three former friends who died from it this month. I say former because once they choose addiction you have to cut all ties and consider them dead. We got a call from some good friends who are paying $30,000 a month for some rehab in California for one of their daughters. They'll go bankrupt and be living in a mobile home and she'll still be a junkie. We've come to realize that my uncle gave up on his son cleaning up and just let addiction run its course. it is sort of eerie to think about but after years and years of trying to help the best solution for his mental well being was to do nothing. No funeral, no loser users visiting, just an urn on the mantle. Brutal but my uncle and the rest of the family can now live their lives. |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 12:59:09 PM EDT
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I get the addiction but I can't understand that first time, somehow thinking its a good idea..
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Posted: 3/15/2017 1:01:13 PM EDT
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But, but, but... My looney libertarian friends claim dope is a victimless crime...
I always ask them "Would you surrender *YOUR* daughter to such a victimless crime"??? |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 1:08:06 PM EDT
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They've cracked down on the pills, so heroin is a cheaper and available alternative to those already hooked. Yep, the Heroin is cheaper and easier to get now than the pills. And it's shown a direct correlation to overdoses. Theres a rehab place up the road from my work, and low income housing not far. It's amusing (and sad) watching these worthless bums be able to get up at 6am to walk there and get their daily does of Narcan or whatever. But get up to go to work, hell no! My sister is an ER nurse in Youngstown. She see's overdoses (primarily Heroin) multiple times a day, and sometimes its the same patient 2 or 3 times in one day for an overdose. |
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