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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:02:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't give a shit about EVs with respect to the environment. They can sacrifice an endangered iguana at 8 am every morning for all I care, as long as they generate current. I agree but my questions still stand. What is the net benefit in energy savings and environment protection. I need to search for reports that are HONEST that discuss the extra power plants, what will power them and the net effect on this monumental sought after switch. Without that, wanting EV or gas vehicles is just an emotional issue for me. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:03:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess Solar City is a figment of my imagination. Besides, hardly anyone has a supply of gasoline at their home either. For most people, filling their gas tank when it gets down to a quarter is about the biggest prep they'll make. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why bother seizing gas stations? 50 men each at 2 dozen refineries would cripple the entire ICE fleet in a week or two. How much reserve gasoline do you think our country has at any time? Besides, I can make my own electricity a lot easier than I can make my own gasoline or diesel. I guess Solar City is a figment of my imagination. Besides, hardly anyone has a supply of gasoline at their home either. For most people, filling their gas tank when it gets down to a quarter is about the biggest prep they'll make. My dad won't even fill his above halfway and his signal to get fuel is when it yells at him that he's almost out. We've actually had arguments about this and he goes "I don't drive far enough to ever have to worry about needing a full tank" I asked him how it's any more or less fuel to buy whether or not he fills it from empty to half or half to full, then at least you have some in reserve. The way his brain works it's somehow a big waste of money to buy more than might be needed on any given day. And that's why he ended up with algae in his fuel and is fighting plugged filters more often than he should be. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:03:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yea. I'm sure it's a fun toy.  It's awesome, got my first Tesla in 2013 and will never go back to gas. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:04:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess Solar City is a figment of my imagination. Besides, hardly anyone has a supply of gasoline at their home either. For most people, filling their gas tank when it gets down to a quarter is about the biggest prep they'll make. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why bother seizing gas stations? 50 men each at 2 dozen refineries would cripple the entire ICE fleet in a week or two. How much reserve gasoline do you think our country has at any time? Besides, I can make my own electricity a lot easier than I can make my own gasoline or diesel. I guess Solar City is a figment of my imagination. Besides, hardly anyone has a supply of gasoline at their home either. For most people, filling their gas tank when it gets down to a quarter is about the biggest prep they'll make. Some people make biodiesel too. That doesn't make it wide spread for the masses. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:04:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't give a shit about EVs with respect to the environment. They can sacrifice an endangered iguana at 8 am every morning for all I care, as long as they generate current. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: LOL just like they're "forced" to provide refrigerators and plumbing infrastructure? Once everyone has electric cars how many more power plants will have to be built? Where is the fuel going to come from to run those new power plants? Nine hundred fifty TRILLION windmills? Or run by energy the 'tards all oppose? What will be the net savings to the environment? Serious questions. I don't give a shit about EVs with respect to the environment. They can sacrifice an endangered iguana at 8 am every morning for all I care, as long as they generate current. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:05:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree but my questions still stand. What is the net benefit in energy savings and environment protection. I need to search for reports that are HONEST that discuss the extra power plants, what will power them and the net effect on this monumental sought after switch. Without that, wanting EV or gas vehicles is just an emotional issue for me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't give a shit about EVs with respect to the environment. They can sacrifice an endangered iguana at 8 am every morning for all I care, as long as they generate current. I agree but my questions still stand. What is the net benefit in energy savings and environment protection. I need to search for reports that are HONEST that discuss the extra power plants, what will power them and the net effect on this monumental sought after switch. Without that, wanting EV or gas vehicles is just an emotional issue for me. If we ramp up nuclear power production it would probably be a big benefit. We still have to deal with the waste from that, but air quality is likely to improve. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:06:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree but my questions still stand. What is the net benefit in energy savings and environment protection. I need to search for reports that are HONEST that discuss the extra power plants, what will power them and the net effect on this monumental sought after switch. Without that, wanting EV or gas vehicles is just an emotional issue for me. What is the net benefit of me NOT giving my gas money to some snackbar in the middle east that wants to cut my head off? |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:06:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree but my questions still stand. What is the net benefit in energy savings and environment protection. I need to search for reports that are HONEST that discuss the extra power plants, what will power them and the net effect on this monumental sought after switch. Without that, wanting EV or gas vehicles is just an emotional issue for me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't give a shit about EVs with respect to the environment. They can sacrifice an endangered iguana at 8 am every morning for all I care, as long as they generate current. I agree but my questions still stand. What is the net benefit in energy savings and environment protection. I need to search for reports that are HONEST that discuss the extra power plants, what will power them and the net effect on this monumental sought after switch. Without that, wanting EV or gas vehicles is just an emotional issue for me. Not my problem. Power generation has gone up proportionally to power consumption in this country for a century, with minor blips like California and Texas's blackouts. I have faith the market will figure out a way to meet new needs. We're not talking about a tenfold increase in electricity. Maybe along the lines of a 25% increase (number pulled out of my ass, don't fact check it.) |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:07:46 AM EDT
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Been thinking about one of those the last few weeks.
I keep seeing the "news." Biden stopped some pipelines. Biden stopped exploration/drilling in most areas. Gas shortages on the horizon in many states/areas. Gas prices rising everywhere due to shortages in some places. Electricity generation being switched over to "renewable energy sources". Government increasing their direction/control of energy producing corporations. In VA the dim/lib/prog/socialist state government is forcing Dominion Power to have 50% of their electricity generation come from renewable energy sources within the next 15 years or so. Dominion Power has said they will have to raise electricity prices to consumers to pay for all the new power generation facilities. We just got a solar power system installed and that will more than charge a single electric car. Now we have to decide what model we want and which of our current gas powered cars/SUVs will have to go to make room for it. My intent is not so much for the price/cost but for the availability of being able to fuel a vehicle long term. Same reason we just go solar. Solar won't provide 100% of the electricity we use but it'll supply most of it and/or provide credits for most of it when the power company finally gets that dual direction meter installed. It's an awesome thing to stand out back looking at the controller and see 0.05 kwh coming from the power company and the rest of the power we're using coming off the solar panels. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:07:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hardly anyone thinks about apartments. About a third of the country live in rentals. 70% in complex's less than 20 units. In the last decade there's been @ 2 million new multi family units built. There's a total of 43 million rental households in the US. There's a number of challenges dealing with this - even in the most recent round of development, tho some areas have dealt with multi fam charging infrastructure - through market or requirements. There's solutions in play - some turn key fee based outfits that will retro exist, but it's going to be a choke point for a lot of people. Some of this might get pushed employer side or fixed by reduced charging times (most early chargers installed are going obsolete) - but near term It's dicey in multifam for EV owners. Which means opportunities. And yet everyone assumes 100% good behavior on Everyone's part. There are hoodlums that would run around cutting cords because it's the Liberal thing to do. Cords would get run over and destroyed. Cords would get snatched and broken by passing vehicles. Charging stations would be destroyed by wayward kids. Fires happen. Accidents haven't been taken into account yet because of the well behavior of current users. 
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:08:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's your solar array setup? Some people make biodiesel too. That doesn't make it wide spread for the masses. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why bother seizing gas stations? 50 men each at 2 dozen refineries would cripple the entire ICE fleet in a week or two. How much reserve gasoline do you think our country has at any time? Besides, I can make my own electricity a lot easier than I can make my own gasoline or diesel. I guess Solar City is a figment of my imagination. Besides, hardly anyone has a supply of gasoline at their home either. For most people, filling their gas tank when it gets down to a quarter is about the biggest prep they'll make. Some people make biodiesel too. That doesn't make it wide spread for the masses. I don't have solar. Hopefully in the next 3 or so years along with wind. What I do have is between 5 and 12,000 gallons of diesel at any time, a giant tank of propane, and generators to turn either one into electricity. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:09:44 AM EDT
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The charging thing is much ado about nothing. You plug your phone in at night to charge while you sleep and at work while you work, this is no different. I doubt most people drive 300+ miles per day so range anxiety isn’t really a thing, and “hunting” for a charging station is as easy as asking the car where the nearest one is located. That said I would only consider an ev if I could actually install a 220 charger at home.
Most here are on landlines and “fixed incomes” and probably cursed the day the horse was retired. Continue yelling at clouds about made up conspiracies
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:09:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then why not just stick with gas? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: LOL just like they're "forced" to provide refrigerators and plumbing infrastructure? Once everyone has electric cars how many more power plants will have to be built? Where is the fuel going to come from to run those new power plants? Nine hundred fifty TRILLION windmills? Or run by energy the 'tards all oppose? What will be the net savings to the environment? Serious questions. I don't give a shit about EVs with respect to the environment. They can sacrifice an endangered iguana at 8 am every morning for all I care, as long as they generate current. Torque, cost of maintenance, reliability, lots of reasons. Gas is obsolescent for commuter vehicles. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:16:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't have solar. Hopefully in the next 3 or so years along with wind. What I do have is between 5 and 12,000 gallons of diesel at any time, a giant tank of propane, and generators to turn either one into electricity. Obviously do what works for you but you can't really make an argument of "oh people can just do this or that" when the cost to benefit just isn't there. When talking about widespread implementation of something. Ballpark how much will your new solar/wind setup cost? |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:18:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most people don't have 12,000 gallons of diesel either Obviously do what works for you but you can't really make an argument of "oh people can just do this or that" when the cost to benefit just isn't there. When talking about widespread implementation of something. Ballpark how much will your new solar/wind setup cost? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't have solar. Hopefully in the next 3 or so years along with wind. What I do have is between 5 and 12,000 gallons of diesel at any time, a giant tank of propane, and generators to turn either one into electricity. Obviously do what works for you but you can't really make an argument of "oh people can just do this or that" when the cost to benefit just isn't there. When talking about widespread implementation of something. Ballpark how much will your new solar/wind setup cost? Wind will be in the 10k range. Solar maybe 10-15k. Battery pack another 10k. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:18:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The charging thing is much ado about nothing. You plug your phone in at night to charge while you sleep and at work while you work, this is no different. I doubt most people drive 300+ miles per day so range anxiety isn’t really a thing, and “hunting” for a charging station is as easy as asking the car where the nearest one is located. That said I would only consider an ev if I could actually install a 220 charger at home. Most here are on landlines and “fixed incomes” and probably cursed the day the horse was retired. Continue yelling at clouds about made up conspiracies Agreed, I installed a dryer outlet in my garage for less than $100 |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:19:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The charging thing is much ado about nothing. You plug your phone in at night to charge while you sleep and at work while you work, this is no different. I doubt most people drive 300+ miles per day so range anxiety isn't really a thing, and "hunting" for a charging station is as easy as asking the car where the nearest one is located. That said I would only consider an ev if I could actually install a 220 charger at home. Most here are on landlines and "fixed incomes" and probably cursed the day the horse was retired. Continue yelling at clouds about made up conspiracies |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:22:20 AM EDT
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I am all for electric vehicles with a caveat.
They must be able to do everything a gas powered vehicle could do, they must be able to be charged as fast as a gas powered vehicle can be filled up, and the purchase price of the vehicle should be comparable to a gas powered vehicle If they meet all the above requirements it will supplant gas powered vehicles. If not they won’t. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:23:57 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am all for electric vehicles with a caveat. They must be able to do everything a gas powered vehicle could do, they must be able to be charged as fast as a gas powered vehicle can be filled up, and the purchase price of the vehicle should be comparable to a gas powered vehicle If they meet all the above requirements it will supplant gas powered vehicles. If not they won’t. Cost of ownership is also a factor. They're already far cheaper to own after initial purchase than gassers. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:24:37 AM EDT
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Most people don’t talk about the real issue.
80% of the population can barely afford to pay for a beat up 10 year old piece of shit. How are they going to afford an electric car, or a charging station at their home, or a solar array on the house they don’t own? What % of the population doesn’t live in a house, let alone own their house? There will never be a 10-15 year old EV with shitty batteries, that the poors can own that will actually work. How is that issue going to be addressed? Of course the government would be happier with “those” people dependent on public transportation. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:25:37 AM EDT
[#21]
An 80% acceptance rate is pretty good.
I figure most people buy the wrong car anyways, electric or gas, they buy emotionally. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:26:44 AM EDT
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If you have guaranteed surface parking, like an assigned spot in your condo association's lot, you can have a wireless charging pad installed to park over. Or run 240v under the sidewalk and have a charger on a pole.
It's a question of how bad you want to be superior to your neighbors. Kharn |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:27:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most people don’t talk about the real issue. 80% of the population can barely afford to pay for a beat up 10 year old piece of shit. How are they going to afford an electric car, or a charging station at their home, or a solar array on the house they don’t own? What % of the population doesn’t live in a house, let alone own their house? There will never be a 10-15 year old EV with shitty batteries, that the poors can own that will actually work. How is that issue going to be addressed? Of course the government would be happier with “those” people dependent on public transportation. I don't care about poor people, they can walk to their minimum wage jobs. 
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:30:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: An 80% acceptance rate is pretty good. I figure most people buy the wrong car anyways, electric or gas, they buy emotionally. Or after 5 years they need a minivan, want something sporty, want to be a diesel bro, etc. Didn't California offer a huge discount on your electric rate if you had a plug in vehicle? Like you paid nighttime rates 24x7 for 5 years of you bought one? Maybe everyone who bought under that program is aging out of their cars and not seeing an economic incentive to buy one again? Kharn |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:30:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Torque, cost of maintenance, reliability, lots of reasons. Gas is obsolescent for commuter vehicles. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:30:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not my problem. Power generation has gone up proportionally to power consumption in this country for a century, with minor blips like California and Texas's blackouts. I have faith the market will figure out a way to meet new needs. We're not talking about a tenfold increase in electricity. Maybe along the lines of a 25% increase (number pulled out of my ass, don't fact check it.) |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:30:59 AM EDT
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hmmm part of the problem was this....
many in the SoCal area gotr the EV because they can use the HOV lanes for free and also didn't have to pay the tolls. So before the stupid incentive, the HOV lanes on the 405 and other freeways were pretty fast, then out of the fucken blue, every crotch fucker got an EV and then the HOVs were bumper to bumper with single occupants in every vehicle. SoCals are dumb as fucks and tiny as rocks in trying to figure out ways to get ahead. Now they removed the HOV usage for EV and also the tolls on some freeways in some places due to congestion. https://evlife.co/blog/california-carpool-sticker-electric-car/ Now it isn't worth it. The other setup was in the downtown Lalaland area.....many of the stations were full and then out of the blue, their wasn't enough parking to go around to use the charging station. This is what I noticed when I was stationed in downtown LA for the Corps of Engineers. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:33:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wind will be in the 10k range. Solar maybe 10-15k. Battery pack another 10k. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't have solar. Hopefully in the next 3 or so years along with wind. What I do have is between 5 and 12,000 gallons of diesel at any time, a giant tank of propane, and generators to turn either one into electricity. Obviously do what works for you but you can't really make an argument of "oh people can just do this or that" when the cost to benefit just isn't there. When talking about widespread implementation of something. Ballpark how much will your new solar/wind setup cost? Wind will be in the 10k range. Solar maybe 10-15k. Battery pack another 10k. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:33:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:It's an awesome thing to stand out back looking at the controller and see 0.05 kwh coming from the power company and the rest of the power we're using coming off the solar panels. No, no, no. The best thing is when it's a hot sunny day with the AC running and the meter is running BACKWARDS. 
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:34:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can get about a 50% charge at most superchargers in about 15 minutes. A gas station can fill up a vehicle in about 5 minutes. If there were the same number of charging stations as gas pumps then you would have 6 times the number of vehicles at each charging station as you do at gas pumps.
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:34:59 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Most people don't talk about the real issue. 80% of the population can barely afford to pay for a beat up 10 year old piece of shit. How are they going to afford an electric car, or a charging station at their home, or a solar array on the house they don't own? What % of the population doesn't live in a house, let alone own their house? There will never be a 10-15 year old EV with shitty batteries, that the poors can own that will actually work. How is that issue going to be addressed? Of course the government would be happier with "those" people dependent on public transportation.
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:35:41 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He's being "too pessimistic?" I think you're being too naive. First electrics will be mandated. Then, autonomous electrics. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: None of this matters. You WILL have an electric car eventually, you will just have to alter your lifestyle to accommodate it. Or take the bus. Restricting personal mobility is one of the stated goals of the left. I think you're being way too pessimistic. Electric vehicles have some great advantages, like a much simpler drive train that's far more reliable. Yes, we're at the point today where they're just being introduced to the average owner, and they do have disadvantages like charging etc. But in a few years that will be solved and the resulting vehicles will be superior. Sure, the Left pushes for public transportation, but that only works in the city (and only when well implemented). It has nothing to do with the introduction of EV's for general use. I'm curious on how good a job Ford will do with the coming electric F-150. They know if it doesn't at least equal the gas F-150 it will likely bomb, so I'm hoping to see some real ingenuity from them. And when the government wants to shut them all down then they will just press the EV Kill Switch.
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:37:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: kWh? That is cool but for most people $35,000 will buy a lot of gas. In the long run you very well might come out ahead but you're really pushing something that realistically only a small amount of the population will even end up doing. We're talking about how to get widespread implementation here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't have solar. Hopefully in the next 3 or so years along with wind. What I do have is between 5 and 12,000 gallons of diesel at any time, a giant tank of propane, and generators to turn either one into electricity. Obviously do what works for you but you can't really make an argument of "oh people can just do this or that" when the cost to benefit just isn't there. When talking about widespread implementation of something. Ballpark how much will your new solar/wind setup cost? Wind will be in the 10k range. Solar maybe 10-15k. Battery pack another 10k. Absolutely, but I'm a nutjob rural farmer/prepper. For widespread implementation, you just need to get 240 to the place you park your commuter vehicle at night, and 98% of your problems are solved. It's certainly a middle, to upper middle class entry point (garage preferred, few used options on the market, somewhat higher prices to comparable ICE) but that sort of thing will trickle down pretty quickly. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:38:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, no, no. The best thing is when it's a hot sunny day with the AC running and the meter is running BACKWARDS. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:It's an awesome thing to stand out back looking at the controller and see 0.05 kwh coming from the power company and the rest of the power we're using coming off the solar panels. No, no, no. The best thing is when it's a hot sunny day with the AC running and the meter is running BACKWARDS. 
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:38:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am all for electric vehicles with a caveat. They must be able to do everything a gas powered vehicle could do, they must be able to be charged as fast as a gas powered vehicle can be filled up, and the purchase price of the vehicle should be comparable to a gas powered vehicle If they meet all the above requirements it will supplant gas powered vehicles. If not they won’t. Can't plow the field with it and it doesn't produce manure for the garden. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:38:32 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And when the government wants to shut them all down then they will just press the EV Kill Switch.
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:39:13 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And when the government wants to shut them all down then they will just press the EV Kill Switch. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: None of this matters. You WILL have an electric car eventually, you will just have to alter your lifestyle to accommodate it. Or take the bus. Restricting personal mobility is one of the stated goals of the left. I think you're being way too pessimistic. Electric vehicles have some great advantages, like a much simpler drive train that's far more reliable. Yes, we're at the point today where they're just being introduced to the average owner, and they do have disadvantages like charging etc. But in a few years that will be solved and the resulting vehicles will be superior. Sure, the Left pushes for public transportation, but that only works in the city (and only when well implemented). It has nothing to do with the introduction of EV's for general use. I'm curious on how good a job Ford will do with the coming electric F-150. They know if it doesn't at least equal the gas F-150 it will likely bomb, so I'm hoping to see some real ingenuity from them. And when the government wants to shut them all down then they will just press the EV Kill Switch. Nothing about EVs makes a kill switch more viable than ICE. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:42:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a Tesla. No way would I have one without a home charger. One of the nicer features is have a complete charge every day. Not happening on a 110. Mine even has free supercharging for life, and a convenient location right on my way to/from work. Still wouldn’t do it without a 240 at home. Yeah kind of how I feel. My next car will be electric 220 is in the garage and it is heated so that reduces most of the issue people have with electric cars. Many years ago I had street parking it sucks and would suck even more if you had to charge. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:43:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You really aren’t good with statistics are you? Go invert the headline, here let me do it for you. Original: 1 in five ditch their electric cars for gas. Inverted: four out of five prefer their electric over gas. Bonus points, which statement is the most factual and least biased? There a liars, damned liars, and statisticians. But it doesn't take a quant to see that no matter how you frame the headline, one out of five people learned through experience -- not conjecture -- that electric vehicles are not a suitable solution for them. These were people that presumably were true believers, drinkers of the EV juice, that joyfully took a big swig but spit it out as unpalatable. When your cheerleaders stop cheering, how are you going to win over the hold-outs? |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:44:04 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You know there was some short sighted guy saying the same thing about his horse and buggy when the internal combustion engine came along. Can't plow the field with it and it doesn't produce manure for the garden. It's taken a very long time for vehicles to get to the point where they are now. And it's not like EVs are starting from absolutely nothing here either. They have the benefit of a century of vehicle development. And a lot of this motor and battery tech isn't anything new either. It's been developed over decades. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:44:32 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted:How is that issue going to be addressed? They'll be given electric vehicles just like poor people are given food, cell phones, and apartments or homes.  |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:45:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And back then he was probably right as he strolled past some broken down vehicle in his buggy. It's taken a very long time for vehicles to get to the point where they are now. And it's not like EVs are starting from absolutely nothing here either. They have the benefit of a century of vehicle development. And a lot of this motor and battery tech isn't anything new either. It's been developed over decades. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You know there was some short sighted guy saying the same thing about his horse and buggy when the internal combustion engine came along. Can't plow the field with it and it doesn't produce manure for the garden. It's taken a very long time for vehicles to get to the point where they are now. And it's not like EVs are starting from absolutely nothing here either. They have the benefit of a century of vehicle development. And a lot of this motor and battery tech isn't anything new either. It's been developed over decades. Battery tech is still in the baby steps stages too. A few more generational advances with solid state cells and things are going to get interesting. Just look at how far power tools have come in 20 years. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:46:12 AM EDT
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Gas is $3.99 a gal here now. I have a free supercharger at work and we can use city EV chargers for basically next to nothing. That is in addition to my charger at home...so where is the problem here? Shit, even my range that is in the middle of BFE (Okeechobee Shooting Sports
 ) has two EV chargers with a Tesla SC going in soon. A neighbor is an Electrical engineer with Bechtel Engineering and he showed me some plans off all the SC they are installing for 2022, holy fuck..they are going be everywhere |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:47:53 AM EDT
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The real point behind all the "green-friendly" lies on EV's is to switch our energy industry to be dependent on China for battery materials.
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:52:20 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A gas station can fill up a vehicle in about 5 minutes. If there were the same number of charging stations as gas pumps then you would have 6 times the number of vehicles at each charging station as you do at gas pumps. Because most EV's are charged at home, mine included. About once a month I have to go on a trip far enough that I need to use the Tesla supercharging network, I'm usually the only one charging there. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:52:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gas is $3.99 a gal here now. I have a free supercharger at work and we can use city EV chargers for basically next to nothing. That is in addition to my charger at home...so where is the problem here? Shit, even my range that is in the middle of BFE (Okeechobee Shooting Sports ) has two EV chargers with a Tesla SC going in soon. A neighbor is an Electrical engineer with Bechtel Engineering and he showed me some plans off all the SC they are installing for 2022, holy fuck..they are going be everywhere |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:53:26 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because most EV's are charged at home, mine included. About once a month I have to go on a trip far enough that I need to use the Tesla supercharging network, I'm usually the only one charging there.
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:54:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not my problem. Power generation has gone up proportionally to power consumption in this country for a century, with minor blips like California and Texas's blackouts. I have faith the market will figure out a way to meet new needs. We're not talking about a tenfold increase in electricity. Maybe along the lines of a 25% increase (number pulled out of my ass, don't fact check it.) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't give a shit about EVs with respect to the environment. They can sacrifice an endangered iguana at 8 am every morning for all I care, as long as they generate current. I agree but my questions still stand. What is the net benefit in energy savings and environment protection. I need to search for reports that are HONEST that discuss the extra power plants, what will power them and the net effect on this monumental sought after switch. Without that, wanting EV or gas vehicles is just an emotional issue for me. Not my problem. Power generation has gone up proportionally to power consumption in this country for a century, with minor blips like California and Texas's blackouts. I have faith the market will figure out a way to meet new needs. We're not talking about a tenfold increase in electricity. Maybe along the lines of a 25% increase (number pulled out of my ass, don't fact check it.) I think you can rough estimate it like this: (Total US miles driven annually * average EV efficiency) / Current us power generation annually (3.23 Trillion miles * 0.300kwh per mile) / 4 trillion kwh Comes out to about a 24% increase in generation...so good guess. That also presumes 100% EV adoption which even in the most optimistic timeline couldn't possibly be for another 20+ years and I frankly think it could be more like 50 years. I'm sure that number isn't perfectly accurate and if there's a flaw in my logic, point it out, but if I'm even close then it certainly provides an order of magnitude. I've seen doomers throw out crazy numbers like "we'll need 4x as many power plants" in these threads so it's worth at least attempting to bring the real number down to earth. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:55:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a That is not sustainable. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:56:52 AM EDT
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So, as long as they are able to charge it at their home, just about everyone sticks with EV?
Thats good to know. I'm getting really close on pulling the trigger on a Tesla. |
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